So you wouldn't have any problem with the example I gave about the PCI bus? Or do you think at some point the government should step and say that sort of thing should be open?
Also, I'm not sure how you dragged open source into this - we were cleary talking about protocols.
I see your eyes were glazing over at the "mankinds best interest" bit. Us damn hippies and trying to think a bit larger than what benefits a single company.
"If you develop a proprietary protocol that gets extremely popular, why the hell should you be made to release it to the public domain?"
It's scary that people really do think like this. What if ISA was like this? And PCI? Do you really think that it would be in mankinds best interest that something like linux couldn't be developed because the guys who made PCI decided you can't use it without signing an NDA and paying a fee?
Okay, so lets go with it taking 4 hours, almost all of that unattended.
Compared to installing XP, installing MS Office, install winrar and winzip or whatever it is these days, then mirc or something for irc. Then getting firefox/mozilla/whatever your cup of tea is. Then acroread or something for pdf's, and all the other tools you need to install.
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I think about it a lot, and I think you can simplify it a lot.
Make you legs straight and stiff, and walk on the balls of your feet. You can do reasonably well, and the only motors there are the ones in your thighs hmm plus the rest of your upper body for balancing.
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Experiment with trying to walk in a straight line while looking straight up...
Say I give a school £1000 a month. Now I send my child there. I attach _no_ strings to the money that I give them. But, say there is the unspoken rule that if they do not give the child good grades, then I will stop paying them that money.
Do you understand that even though I'm giving them money, and that each bit of money I give them has no strings attached, I still have leverage because of future payments.
"In fact, I would say it is pretty damned safe to say that he gave the money away with no strings attached. Once the money is out of his hands it is gone forever. There is no leverage or threat he can use to take it back."
Actually this isn't true. Say you pay the college a certain amount every month, and the money you give them has no strings attached, and they can do what they want with it. That still gives you strings and leverage, but if they do something you don't like, you can stop paying them. Makes sense?
>A Symantec official in Beijing confirmed that Norton's >software had designated Freegate a "Trojan horse", >but would not give details of why it had done so.
The "big deal" is simple a justified worry that companies may push linux to go in the direction they want.
For example, I remember a company submitting a load of 'bug reports' where a desktop didn't work like MS Windows, then produced a load of patches to fix it. (Stuff like renaming the trash can to use the same name as MS Windows)
I personally think it will work itself out, but I can see why some might worry.
I went for a job at transitive. They gave us a test to do first, which I completed much faster than the guys I was up against. Then they asked for ways to optimise what they did, to which I gave pages of answers, where the others got a few. I had answers they hadn't even thought of, and got thanked for them;)
And did I get the job? They wrote to me and said something along the lines that although my technical skills were what they were looking for, they did not feel I would fit in.
Heh. My gf almost killed me for that, for not taking it seriously, when she wanted the job and didn't even get an interview.
"Not to take a shot at Linux, but dinner is a much better incentive to make something that runs well (and thus sells well) than [kernel] hacker pride."
A coder at work, and an open source coder - I disagree.:)
A brief history of time - stephen hawking. Page 99:
""..These are similiar to light waves, which are ripples of the electromagnetic field, but they are much harder to detect. Like light, they carry energy away from the objects that emit them. One would therfore expect a system of massive objects to settle down eventually to a stationary state, because the energy in any movement would be carried away by the emission of gravitational waves.....For example, the movement of the earth in its orbit round the sun produces gravitational waves. "
Speaking of copy+paste of complex types, I should have this working a bit better fairly soon in kde. At the moment I have it so you can copy from konqueror to both koffice (cvs) and openoffice (cvs), retaining the format. (and openoffice to koffice and vice versa). I should have this committed in the next week.
It should be trivial to use this also have support in kate etc (this is my personal favourite - at last copy from kate and retain the syntax highlighting when I paste it:) )
I'm hoping that by the next release of 3.4, no one will be able to complain about copy and paste between any kde progs, and from kde to gnome:) (Aside from the occasional complaints about ctrl-c not working in emacs and the console *rolls eyes*)
It's a terminal. you don't even have a cursor. you have to select it anyway, so why not just use the selection clipboard? (middle mouse button to paste)
I think listing three programs is hardly a great inconsistency. Anyone that can use emacs can surely work out how to deal with the copy and paste being different there (or just change the shortcut to ctrl+c etc - that's what I did heh)
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Was he speaking tongue-in-cheek?
Or really did intend to steal the idea as such?
So you wouldn't have any problem with the example I gave about the PCI bus?
Or do you think at some point the government should step and say that sort of thing should be open?
Also, I'm not sure how you dragged open source into this - we were cleary talking about protocols.
I see your eyes were glazing over at the "mankinds best interest" bit. Us damn hippies and trying to think a bit larger than what benefits a single company.
Ah, good answer. Thanks.
What's in a name?
"If you develop a proprietary protocol that gets extremely popular, why the hell should you be made to release it to the public domain?"
It's scary that people really do think like this.
What if ISA was like this? And PCI?
Do you really think that it would be in mankinds best interest that something like linux couldn't be developed because the guys who made PCI decided you can't use it without signing an NDA and paying a fee?
Hi,
What's your sig in reference to?
Okay, so lets go with it taking 4 hours, almost all of that unattended.
Compared to installing XP, installing MS Office, install winrar and winzip or whatever it is these days, then mirc or something for irc. Then getting firefox/mozilla/whatever your cup of tea is.
Then acroread or something for pdf's, and all the other tools you need to install.
I think about it a lot, and I think you can simplify it a lot.
Make you legs straight and stiff, and walk on the balls of your feet. You can do reasonably well, and the only motors there are the ones in your thighs hmm plus the rest of your upper body for balancing.
Experiment with trying to walk in a straight line while looking straight up...
My linux box crashes 100% of the time.
But then, the only reason I would reboot is because of a crash, so that's a pointless statistic.
You are not following properly.
Say I give a school £1000 a month. Now I send my child there. I attach _no_ strings to the money that I give them. But, say there is the unspoken rule that if they do not give the child good grades, then I will stop paying them that money.
Do you understand that even though I'm giving them money, and that each bit of money I give them has no strings attached, I still have leverage because of future payments.
Follow?
"In fact, I would say it is pretty damned safe to say that he gave the money away with no strings attached. Once the money is out of his hands it is gone forever. There is no leverage or threat he can use to take it back."
Actually this isn't true. Say you pay the college a certain amount every month, and the money you give them has no strings attached, and they can do what they want with it.
That still gives you strings and leverage, but if they do something you don't like, you can stop paying them.
Makes sense?
Perhaps that only applies to the type of people that actually apply to work at MS?
Then again, I might be wrong - I'm not a psychologist.
Um, that was the point of the story, yes.
Malice:
>A Symantec official in Beijing confirmed that Norton's
>software had designated Freegate a "Trojan horse",
>but would not give details of why it had done so.
The "big deal" is simple a justified worry that companies may push linux to go in the direction they want.
For example, I remember a company submitting a load of 'bug reports' where a desktop didn't work like MS Windows, then produced a load of patches to fix it. (Stuff like renaming the trash can to use the same name as MS Windows)
I personally think it will work itself out, but I can see why some might worry.
I went for a job at transitive. They gave us a test to do first, which I completed much faster than the guys I was up against. ;)
Then they asked for ways to optimise what they did, to which I gave pages of answers, where the others got a few. I had answers they hadn't even thought of, and got thanked for them
And did I get the job? They wrote to me and said something along the lines that although my technical skills were what they were looking for, they did not feel I would fit in.
Heh.
My gf almost killed me for that, for not taking it seriously, when she wanted the job and didn't even get an interview.
I used to work on that too. http://www.opengalen.org/ -- that used to run on my machine.
"Not to take a shot at Linux, but dinner is a much better incentive to make something that runs well (and thus sells well) than [kernel] hacker pride."
:)
A coder at work, and an open source coder - I disagree.
A brief history of time - stephen hawking.
Page 99:
""..These are similiar to light waves, which are ripples of the electromagnetic field, but they are much harder to detect. Like light, they carry energy away from the objects that emit them. One would therfore expect a system of massive objects to settle down eventually to a stationary state, because the energy in any movement would be carried away by the emission of gravitational waves.....For example, the movement of the earth in its orbit round the sun produces gravitational waves. "
printers and scanners are done in user space (cups and sane respectively).
I doubt mass storage should be user space.
realtime priority is not the problem, the problem is context switching - sending data from the kernel to the userspace all the time.
Speaking of copy+paste of complex types, I should have this working a bit better fairly soon in kde. At the moment I have it so you can copy from konqueror to both koffice (cvs) and openoffice (cvs), retaining the format. (and openoffice to koffice and vice versa). I should have this committed in the next week.
:) )
:)
It should be trivial to use this also have support in kate etc (this is my personal favourite - at last copy from kate and retain the syntax highlighting when I paste it
I'm hoping that by the next release of 3.4, no one will be able to complain about copy and paste between any kde progs, and from kde to gnome
(Aside from the occasional complaints about ctrl-c not working in emacs and the console *rolls eyes*)
selinux will be going offical/live/released in a few months :)
Hmm, funny I see people bashing gnome and kde all the time for copying from windows/macos.
If we didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
It's a terminal. you don't even have a cursor. you have to select it anyway, so why not just use the selection clipboard? (middle mouse button to paste)
I think listing three programs is hardly a great inconsistency. Anyone that can use emacs can surely work out how to deal with the copy and paste being different there (or just change the shortcut to ctrl+c etc - that's what I did heh)
Does windows' console use ctrl+c to copy?