the fundamental problem is the idea that the government doesnt have to follow the same laws as the people. thats a problem and historically civilizations haved moved towards a system of legal equality for all...
Not that I'm advocating violence or anything (far from it), but I'd just like to say I think the Romans learned that lesson in the most constructive way. You'd think today's politicians never studied history.
Don't forget the Nazis... we beet the Nazis... and Stalin to.
You should reread your history books, and maybe talk to some veterans. The Brits, Canucks, Aussies/NZs, Poles, French Maquis, and Soviets (especially) beat the Nazis. The Nazis were mostly rocking back on their heels by the time the Normandy invasions started. You did pretty much beat the Japanese though, I'll give you that. I don't agree you beat the Soviets. They beat themselves (stop believing that pap that flows out of Hollywood). There were a lot of your guys' bodies lying on numerous beaches from France to Guadalcanal who'd question whether you really won anything in all of those messes.
Back on topic, is there really that much difference between 21st Century DHS/ICE/TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, Border Patrol, and the Gestapo/Stasi/Abwehr? I'm not seeing it from where I sit. As another mentioned, you've apparently forgotten the lesson of Nuremberg.
OTOH, those who did cop-out, didn't end up in the oven...
In fact, some of those ended up in places where they could do something about it; places like Oak Ridge, TN and Los Alamos, NM. The Jews (among others) paid an horrific price to re-learn something they should never have forgotten. You don't submit weakly to tyrrany. You don't just move a little bit down the road when a pogrom razes your town. Despite their many faults, at least the Israelis got that.
Now, if only the USA can re-learn what folly was Nazi Germany...
There are no technical solutions for sheer bloody-mindedness or stupidity. The only way to handle this problem is to demand a fully vetted change control authorization defining the procedure to be done, the physical entities involved, expected results, backout procedure, and signatures of those responsible for the result. Anything less is like your Mom kissing your booboos.
I'd suggest re-routing it first onto the testing subnet too, but that may be too complicated for the OP's op.
As for older techs who don't or cant stay up to speed - whats new?
You know that's a stereotype? How's about we wonder about green fresh out of school techs who believe email is obsolete tech and Facebook & Twitter are the bleeding edge? There's plenty of very long in the tooth tech out there that's never worked better, and there's a lot of new guys who think email's just that thing that fills itself with spam and malware; wouldn't use it if a wolverine was gnawing off their leg. Laptops/Desktops vs. smartphones?
Anybody think we ought to start shooting Monsanto's lawyers & VPs for the good of everyone?
Whenever I see anyone advocating such things ("Off with their heads!", "Revolution!", "Up against the wall, muthafsckers!"), the first thing that occurs to me is, "You first."
How revolutionary do you feel now, Anonymous Coward?
Do we really need any more info about this attention whore?
Is he the attention whore, or are the authorities? It seems to me he's just defending himself, while the Keystone Cops are going out of their way to maximize any and all bad press that can possibly be brought against them. Whether we know all the intricasies in the law is one thing, but shouldn't the cops have at least some competence in wielding it? They've apparently forgotten entire swaths of related concepts such as warrant procedure, jurisdictions, evidence handling,... How do they retain their jobs with this level of performance?
Please tell me that you leave an "acceptable" tip for "acceptable" service, and you're not that guy who goes out with his co-workers and stiffs the waiter...
I've worked for many a corporation down through the years and despite their satisfaction with my work, not one of them has offered me a tip for doing good work. Yet you feel free to insult those patrons of yours who fail to tip. Why is your employer too cheap to pay what you're worth? Why do you let them get away with expecting me to make up the difference?
On the other hand, I've often felt insulted by those who do offer to tip me. It seems they assume I'm only doing that lousy job because I've no choice in the matter, which is a pretty arrogant assumption on their part.
If you think this act is horrible, this is what the Afghan people deal with all the time.
The methods of conducting war employed by the foreign armed forces in Afghanistan do not legally include running over non-combatants in the street and then hacking them to death.
No they don't, but that's irrelevant. The bombers massacreing civillians with IUDs in Taliban/Sunni/Shiite sectarian violence is what the Afghans and Iraqis have to deal with all the time.
Can we value human life any less? The massacre of innocent *non-combattants* is "regrettable"? Anyone who thinks like this has lost the right to be considered civilized. You shed crocodile tears. I will not regret your demise, nor shed any tears for the likes of you.
Given the general leakyness of the Lulzsec "organisation", this person has done well to remain unidentified.
This's pretty much how Anonymous in total have been characterized from the beginning; < 10 "smart cookies" surrounded by thousands of LOIC armed script kiddies, and everyone including the fibbies gets to have a fun time.
I think Apple can afford to hire their own security, don't you?
Extremely myopic.
No, it's not. It's a feature, but you glossed over this bit:
On the other hand, if the gov't does it, they can break into private citizens' establishments to steal back iBaubles...
Private security secures private establishments. Gov't supported security (police) have the force of criminal law behind them and so can act far more broadly, including being co-opted by Apple to steal back its property, paid for by taxpayers.
Sending malware laden phishing emails is an attack now? Hmm, what's the appropriate Monty Python line for that... Oh yeah: Help, help, I'm being oppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! So, now the USA's Cyber-terrorism defenses are going to ramp up to hunt down and "yada yada with extreme prejudice" spammers, script kiddies, and botnet herders?
Wouldn't it be simpler to lobby Microsoft to get them to stop pushing out crappy, vulnerable software?
I think I'll blame the Pakistanis for this whole incident. If they weren't running pirated versions of abysmally maintained/supported software, they wouldn't have fallen victim to this.
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the fundamental problem is the idea that the government doesnt have to follow the same laws as the people. thats a problem and historically civilizations haved moved towards a system of legal equality for all ...
Not that I'm advocating violence or anything (far from it), but I'd just like to say I think the Romans learned that lesson in the most constructive way. You'd think today's politicians never studied history.
The parties have set things up between them to effectively exclude any independent or third-party participation.
Consider the problem from the opposite direction. If it's so impossible, How did Hitler get in? So, not impossible?
Try harder.
Don't forget the Nazis... we beet the Nazis... and Stalin to.
You should reread your history books, and maybe talk to some veterans. The Brits, Canucks, Aussies/NZs, Poles, French Maquis, and Soviets (especially) beat the Nazis. The Nazis were mostly rocking back on their heels by the time the Normandy invasions started. You did pretty much beat the Japanese though, I'll give you that. I don't agree you beat the Soviets. They beat themselves (stop believing that pap that flows out of Hollywood). There were a lot of your guys' bodies lying on numerous beaches from France to Guadalcanal who'd question whether you really won anything in all of those messes.
Back on topic, is there really that much difference between 21st Century DHS/ICE/TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, Border Patrol, and the Gestapo/Stasi/Abwehr? I'm not seeing it from where I sit. As another mentioned, you've apparently forgotten the lesson of Nuremberg.
OTOH, those who did cop-out, didn't end up in the oven ...
In fact, some of those ended up in places where they could do something about it; places like Oak Ridge, TN and Los Alamos, NM. The Jews (among others) paid an horrific price to re-learn something they should never have forgotten. You don't submit weakly to tyrrany. You don't just move a little bit down the road when a pogrom razes your town. Despite their many faults, at least the Israelis got that.
Now, if only the USA can re-learn what folly was Nazi Germany ...
There are no technical solutions for sheer bloody-mindedness or stupidity. The only way to handle this problem is to demand a fully vetted change control authorization defining the procedure to be done, the physical entities involved, expected results, backout procedure, and signatures of those responsible for the result. Anything less is like your Mom kissing your booboos.
I'd suggest re-routing it first onto the testing subnet too, but that may be too complicated for the OP's op.
Let me guess. You're under the mistaken impression that you actually matter in some way or another, yes? So, do you like goldfish?
Utter BS, trust no-one, including you.
You don't trust Lauren Weinstein?
As for older techs who don't or cant stay up to speed - whats new?
You know that's a stereotype? How's about we wonder about green fresh out of school techs who believe email is obsolete tech and Facebook & Twitter are the bleeding edge? There's plenty of very long in the tooth tech out there that's never worked better, and there's a lot of new guys who think email's just that thing that fills itself with spam and malware; wouldn't use it if a wolverine was gnawing off their leg. Laptops/Desktops vs. smartphones?
Another biggie is it doesn't yet allow users to post their six-second videos to Facebook.
For international sporting events (etc.) it's called Chinese Taipei [wikipedia.org].
Cf. PRC.
Twenty? Try fifty.
Because nobody has time to go over every webpage themselves to find out which of them has porn, that they don't want their kids to watch.
If you can't spare the time to supervise your kid's on-line activities, they shouldn't be on-line, or you shouldn't be a parent.
... there are no groups that need help that nobody does ...
Where'd you get the rose coloured glasses?
Unless by "market," you mean "laissez-faire free-market," which would, by definition, be self-regulated.
FTFY. Colt Firearms made a mint facilitating that sort of thing.
One assassin precipitated WWI, once all other related factors were in place. A few grains of lead in the right place can change our world.
Anybody think we ought to start shooting Monsanto's lawyers & VPs for the good of everyone?
Whenever I see anyone advocating such things ("Off with their heads!", "Revolution!", "Up against the wall, muthafsckers!"), the first thing that occurs to me is, "You first."
How revolutionary do you feel now, Anonymous Coward?
Do we really need any more info about this attention whore?
Is he the attention whore, or are the authorities? It seems to me he's just defending himself, while the Keystone Cops are going out of their way to maximize any and all bad press that can possibly be brought against them. Whether we know all the intricasies in the law is one thing, but shouldn't the cops have at least some competence in wielding it? They've apparently forgotten entire swaths of related concepts such as warrant procedure, jurisdictions, evidence handling, ... How do they retain their jobs with this level of performance?
... lacks a rear camera and comes in just two colors black and silver.
Oh, and way to edit, samzenpus.
Please tell me that you leave an "acceptable" tip for "acceptable" service, and you're not that guy who goes out with his co-workers and stiffs the waiter ...
I've worked for many a corporation down through the years and despite their satisfaction with my work, not one of them has offered me a tip for doing good work. Yet you feel free to insult those patrons of yours who fail to tip. Why is your employer too cheap to pay what you're worth? Why do you let them get away with expecting me to make up the difference?
On the other hand, I've often felt insulted by those who do offer to tip me. It seems they assume I'm only doing that lousy job because I've no choice in the matter, which is a pretty arrogant assumption on their part.
If you think this act is horrible, this is what the Afghan people deal with all the time.
The methods of conducting war employed by the foreign armed forces in Afghanistan do not legally include running over non-combatants in the street and then hacking them to death.
No they don't, but that's irrelevant. The bombers massacreing civillians with IUDs in Taliban/Sunni/Shiite sectarian violence is what the Afghans and Iraqis have to deal with all the time.
... civilian casualties are regrettable ...
Can we value human life any less? The massacre of innocent *non-combattants* is "regrettable"? Anyone who thinks like this has lost the right to be considered civilized. You shed crocodile tears. I will not regret your demise, nor shed any tears for the likes of you.
... he is either very smart, or doesn't exist. Or both.
What? Doesn't exist and is very smart. Remind me to avoid your code.
Given the general leakyness of the Lulzsec "organisation", this person has done well to remain unidentified.
This's pretty much how Anonymous in total have been characterized from the beginning; < 10 "smart cookies" surrounded by thousands of LOIC armed script kiddies, and everyone including the fibbies gets to have a fun time.
I think Apple can afford to hire their own security, don't you?
Extremely myopic.
No, it's not. It's a feature, but you glossed over this bit:
On the other hand, if the gov't does it, they can break into private citizens' establishments to steal back iBaubles ...
Private security secures private establishments. Gov't supported security (police) have the force of criminal law behind them and so can act far more broadly, including being co-opted by Apple to steal back its property, paid for by taxpayers.
Sending malware laden phishing emails is an attack now? Hmm, what's the appropriate Monty Python line for that ... Oh yeah: Help, help, I'm being oppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! So, now the USA's Cyber-terrorism defenses are going to ramp up to hunt down and "yada yada with extreme prejudice" spammers, script kiddies, and botnet herders?
Wouldn't it be simpler to lobby Microsoft to get them to stop pushing out crappy, vulnerable software?
I think I'll blame the Pakistanis for this whole incident. If they weren't running pirated versions of abysmally maintained/supported software, they wouldn't have fallen victim to this.
One has to wonder what would happen if no fee were paid.
You haven't been listening. That's an impossible situation, like divide by zero.