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Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ideas?

theodp writes "In The Unexotic Underclass, C.Z. Nnaemeka argues that too many smart people are chasing too many dumb ideas. 'What is shameful,' writes Nnaemeka, 'is that in a country with so many problems, with such a heaving underclass, we find the so-called 'best and brightest,' the 20-and 30-somethings who emerge from the top American graduate and undergraduate programs, abandoning their former hangout, Wall Street, to pile into anti-problem entrepreneurship.' Nnaemeka adds, 'It just looks like we've shifted the malpractice from feeding the money machine to making inane, self-centric apps. Worse, is that the power players, institutional and individual — the highflying VCs, the entrepreneurship incubators, the top-ranked MBA programs, the accelerators, the universities, the business plan competitions have been complicit in this nonsense.' And while it may not get you invited to the White House, Nnaemeka advises entrepreneurs looking for ideas to 'consider looking beyond the city-centric, navel-gazing, youth-obsessed mainstream' and instead focus on some groups that no one else is helping."

376 comments

  1. Mweeehhhh by kruach+aum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Smart people aren't doing what I want them to!!! Why aren't they making the world better the way I think it should be done?!

    1. Re:Mweeehhhh by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NO ONE IS *insert snot spewing sob* FUNDING ME! --Nnaemeka

      Nnaemeka you're a potential demulcent. I'm sure there's billions to be made from people rubbing bits of you on bits of them.

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    2. Re:Mweeehhhh by Crashmarik · · Score: 0

      Got it in one.

    3. Re:Mweeehhhh by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, one can look at it as a balance issue. The most capable people tend to shift their focus to the things society values the most, and right now we place a high social value on getting rich quick through finding some narcissistic niche and building something that appeals to it.

      The value of helping others, helping the underclass, solving systemic problems, building shared resources, things that elevate society as a whole rather then the privileged, well, these things are often argued about and I will not even attempt to claim one way or the other is 'best', but I think it is fair to express distress regarding shifts in what people value.

      Essentially, this is the same complaint as people talking about how we do not have enough STEM talent or too much manufacturing+research is moving offshore.

    4. Re:Mweeehhhh by inkcogito · · Score: 1

      He's more of an abrasive advertising himself as a demulcent. I'm sure he's hoping to parasitically shave off what he can before his hosts catch on.

    5. Re:Mweeehhhh by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Essentially, this is the same complaint as people talking about how we do not have enough STEM talent

      From what I've seen, almost all the people who complain that we don't have enough STEM talents are also people who, themselves, are not in STEM fields. If they think it's so important, why didn't they go into it?

      Basically, it's because the people complaining want a larger STEM workforce to make money from, but they don't work in it because they can't make nearly as much money in it as whatever they're doing. So they want other people to work their asses off for mediocre pay.

    6. Re:Mweeehhhh by Gorobei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, one can look at it as a balance issue. The most capable people tend to shift their focus to the things society values the most, and right now we place a high social value on getting rich quick through finding some narcissistic niche and building something that appeals to it.
       

      As you note, capable people focus on things that society values most. "Getting rich quick" is the result of producing what society values most, *not* the thing that society values most. So you make Facebook and get rich because society wants Facebook, not because it wants you to be rich.

      So I don't see what Nnaemeka wants to happen: society to invest more money in the underclass, or people to altruistically forgo riches to serve the underclass. Either one may be a noble goal, but he should at least articulate what he wants: he complains about us being to urban-focused, but over 80% of people in America live in an urban environment! And tech apps work better in a dense environment: seamless.com, etc, isn't a business model for a farm community; the big stuff has already been done (amazon.com, youporn.com.)

    7. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure there's billions to be made from people rubbing bits of you on bits of them.

      That's only legal in Nevada.

    8. Re:Mweeehhhh by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is this funny? He is not trolling. If you read the article what he is getting at is that we are not solving the problem that move society forward. Case in point tumblr. Wow, what a piece of effen work! Yippeee! Or look at all of those one day camps of ideas. All related to simplistic systems, where the business model falls into, "lets make this so that we can get bought out." These days the idea is not about actually building a business that makes money.

      Case in point Ubuntu. This is a company that does try to push the boundary and does try to help, all while trying to make a business about it. Same thing with Redhat. Yet are they rewarded like say a Tumblr? I just crack up laughing that a TUmblr is worth a tenth of Redhat. you know a business that is actually making money and solving problems.

      Where is the real innovation? The uniqueness? Where are the plans that drive real businesses? I think that is a valid question.

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    9. Re:Mweeehhhh by taz346 · · Score: 1

      The "he" you refer to is actually a "she," or did you not even bother to read the article?

    10. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:Mweeehhhh by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      You don't get get cluebat levels of subtly do you? I suppose one could call that entity IT but they'd be wrong as cousin IT was cool and that entity has negative cool value so not cousin IT.

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    12. Re:Mweeehhhh by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Why aren't they making the world better the way I think it should be done?!

      Because the industrial and economic policies of their governments are shifting them into increasingly valueless industries.

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    13. Re: Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get it, you're a Linux fan, but it's not saving the world any more than tumblr is.

    14. Re:Mweeehhhh by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      maybe the author could find a solution for side stepping gravity?

    15. Re:Mweeehhhh by ttucker · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's billions to be made from people rubbing bits of you on bits of them.

      That's only legal in Nevada.

      Everywhere else your pimp has to pay local law enforcement off.

    16. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly his point. Nobody gives a load; if you do, you're not rewarded outside of altruism. We are inundated (in the US) by a complete barrage of f*cktards – Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, The Kardashians, honey booboo. Are you kidding me, stupid not only went mainstream but is now financially rewarded. It’s devolutionary and here’s how: 100 years ago dumb was killed off by it’s own actions (the dumb farmer of 100 years ago died of starvation), today its rewarded with a reality show as the zombie views eagerly watch as it pro-creates.

    17. Re:Mweeehhhh by otterpop81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why aren't they making the world better the way I think it should be done?!

      Because the industrial and economic policies of their governments are shifting them into increasingly valueless industries.

      It's easy to throw stones and walk away. It's harder to propose solutions. What do you propose?

    18. Re:Mweeehhhh by Velex · · Score: 1

      I think I heard this in a song once while playing Rock Band:

      Peace sells, but who's buying?

      It seems to adequately explain the prediciment we find ourselves in.

      Now Tumblr and lolcats, there you can make some $$$ and get a nice Lambo that you can cruise down the main drag in with a chick with nice tits in your passenger seat. I've always been a fan of the Countach, but maybe a Ford Shelby GT or a Corvette ZR1, hell, why not a Zonda? Imagine, you could be crusing down a main drag with a hot chick in a skinny little dress in your Zonda. Everyone else would turn green as you went by. All you need is the $$$, so go out and get it.

      Peace; innovation; meaningful progress; using our wealth to find ways to tackle problems such as overpopulation and world hunger; deliberately investing in technologies to push us into a post-scarcity civilization; safe, sustainable fission power, fusion power, or some other way to harness the power output from that big fusion reactor in the sky; terraforming other planetoids in our solar system and engaging in multi-generational projects to ensure our survival as spacefaring species—sure all that sells, but who's buying?

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    19. Re:Mweeehhhh by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lawyerly politicians whining about need for more STEM is exactly what both Heinlein, in Starship Troopers, and Niven, in The Mote In God's Eye were sarcastically describing.

      In Starship Troopers (the book anyway), the bugs were non-sentient. But every time a colony was distressed, the workers bred this "brain bug", and then the problem would magically go away. Then the brain bug became irrelevant to it again.

      In The Mote In God's Eye, the Moties are led by a political caste, with other castes obeying them, as they went about their political machinacions and wars. The Engineer caste was ungodly brilliant, but otherwise completely mute, and specifically he juxtaposed it against the yabbering schemes of the political class.

      I hope some of you wake up to the memes of both parties guiding and directing you. You are disposable.

      My point: This guy's bleat is a whine from the political class to come save them from their own idiocies, then shut the hell up once they take credit for breeding brain bugs to solve problems. Do it, but leave them in control.

      Vernor Vinge gets even more sarcastic in A Deepness In The Sky, the sequel to the phenomenal A Fire Upon The Deep, wherein the bad guys use a drug that makes you find whatever it is impossibly seductive and pleasurable. If you do art, you will focus on it and produce world-class works. If science or engineering, phenomenal feats. And so on.

      But you won't dream of resisting their control because you get to do what you want...that it's to your overlord's benefit doesn't enter into it.

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    20. Re:Mweeehhhh by Flozzin · · Score: 2

      The problem with your arguement is that you believe this can be done. Poverty(aka world hunger) is always going to be here. It's been with us since we first started noticing it. We are talking thousands of years here. Someone not making tumblr isn't going to just solve it.

      Overpopulation? How do you solve that? We already have abortion, birth control, and murder going on. Just going to force a china type law limiting the number of children? Go to the UN talk to them about it. You will still have enough free time to make tumblr.

      It's easy to say, stop working on 'x' because I don't like it and work on 'y' instead. But the 'y' the article points to, either people are already working on it(single mothers, gag unto me with a stick), or pie in the sky hopes and dreams that are decades off and won't be solved or seen in our lifetime.

      Ontop of a self centered article(since it's all about what she wants and thinks the world should be like), it's poorly written and way too long.

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    21. Re:Mweeehhhh by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The most capable people tend to shift their focus to the things society values the most,

      What? I don't know about you, but I'm interested in getting rich because I want to have money, so I don't have to work for other people anymore AND can spend my time working on my own projects.

      I don't care at all about 'social value', they're all a bunch of idiots. But getting rich has some real, tangible, objective value.

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    22. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > "Getting rich quick" is the result of producing what society values most, *not* the thing that society values most.

      Total bollocks. "get rich quick" is the result of producing what most efficiently gives you richness. Most of society isn't even aware of the mechanisms that are involved in such a process, even if they are invisibly contributing to them.

      How did you get moderated to +5? Oh, I know - because slashdot values your comments most, yeah that would be it.

    23. Re:Mweeehhhh by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I think many of those people (smarter than me) have decided rather logically and rationally that their life will be better if they focused on solving their own problems rather than the world's "important problems".

      There are still smart people who would like to solve more "important problems" but genius alone won't get you anywhere. The Manhattan project needed more than just smart people.

      So where are the Manhattan projects of today? I believe the people in power are no longer interested in "moving society forward". And the voters who give them the power don't care about "forward". Hence the USA spends a lot per capita on education (and other stuff) but gets poor results. Those in power know that better educated voters will make life harder for them. It's better to give or pretend to give the voters what they ask for. Rather than move them "forward" (often against their will).

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    24. Re:Mweeehhhh by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      STEM is a bit broad. CS majors for example are in very high supply relative to their need, so their pay reflects that. Network engineers are low supply relative to need, so they get paid more. Both are in the STEM category.

      STEM is important, though we need more of the practical/building side than the theoretical side.

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    25. Re:Mweeehhhh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Starship Troopers (the book anyway), the bugs were non-sentient. But every time a colony was distressed, the workers bred this "brain bug", and then the problem would magically go away. Then the brain bug became irrelevant to it again.

      Might want to reread the book, if you think that was part of it.

      Hint: it wasn't. Wasn't part of the movie, either, by the by.

      In The Mote In God's Eye, the Moties are led by a political caste, with other castes obeying them, as they went about their political machinacions and wars. The Engineer caste was ungodly brilliant, but otherwise completely mute, and specifically he juxtaposed it against the yabbering schemes of the political class.

      Might want to reread Mote in God's Eye, also.

      The groups you describe as "castes" were actually subspecies. And the Ruler subspecies didn't do the machinations and politics stuff, their Negotiator subspecies did that part.

      Note, for reference, that the Negotiator subspecies was actually a hybrid of the Ruler and Engineer subspecies...

      Come to that, the Engineer wasn't especially brilliant - "idiot-savant" was a description used more than once about them.

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    26. Re:Mweeehhhh by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      Is there more than one Starship Troopers book? Because I've read that one a couple of times and don't remember any of what you're saying. I didn't watch the movie though.

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      "Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
    27. Re:Mweeehhhh by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      The most capable people tend to shift their focus to the things society values the most

      I would put that slightly differently. Investment tends to shift to things for the affluent, because they can afford to spend most money. It helps if someone points out now and then that there are things that can be made that benefit everyone. There are enough people who are motivated to keep in mind the general good if it's pointed out to them.

    28. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice post. Fun to read, and very apropos to the thread. Thought provoking, like the original article.

    29. Re:Mweeehhhh by fredklein · · Score: 2

      "The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. "

    30. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A+++ Would mod again.

    31. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is even easier to make, suggest, and implement bad proposals as supposed solutions.

    32. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " If you read the article what he is getting at is that we are not solving the problem that move society forward." What is forward?

    33. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the real innovation? The uniqueness? Where are the plans that drive real businesses? I think that is a valid question.

      They are quickly bullied out of existence from legal risks.

    34. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you appoint dumb teachers who teach what is in thier book, they don't teach kids to think independently. So, a whole section of people are pushed to a corner and become poor. Also, the value of education is not to make money but to think your place in the society and contribute to the welfare of the society in whatever way you can. Smart people don't joint together to form a group to solve problems because of their ego, their uhappiness with their family, their shcool and so on. To solve all societal problems smart people need leadership and mentoring. Where are those leaders and mentors? Also, when the best mind is thinking, they think about things in which they are interested and some become rich. So, it is the social environment that needs change. We have too much freedom, because this country was found by immigrants who drove and klled the native Indians and without paying any compensation. So, all the later generations have the "entitlement" mentallity and forget their humble and poor origin. It is like the chained dogs are released and they are running without any restriciton and eventually die due to heart attacks. The same thing is going on here. Look at all the elected crooks who are destroying the very same democracy that gave them every thing, yet they are destroying the whole country. So, all people have to change, before capable individuals can be roped in. With 300 years of history, no miracle can happen.

    35. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informative, but now I'd much rather read the books the guy you are correcting thought he read. Where can I find those? ;)

    36. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waxing philosophical, are we? ;)

    37. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me. intelligence of how many smart ideas are out there. vs how many actually get implemented, and do good by what is implemented, is a real reflection of 'smart'. Many people have 'good' ideas, but bringing them to fruition, is much more of a challange than simply having a good idea. I think that is a reflection of intelligence.

    38. Re:Mweeehhhh by IndieVoter · · Score: 0

      Seem to be two classes of jobs. 1. Those who do real work - The STEM workers, nurses, mechanics, roofers. 2. Those who research, investigate, comment, blog, report, and generally leach of the people in #1. Decent incomes for #1, at least employment. Success many based on hard work and increased knowledge. Barbell incomes for #2 (a lot or a little). Success based on (lack of) morals, family connections, physical appearance, blind-ass luck. Obama nation is based on #2.

    39. Re:Mweeehhhh by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      I agree but if it doesn't make money, if it's not self supporting, then what good is it unless the government is not going to support it?

      For things to exist in this world they at least have to break even. The hardest part of any venture is coming up with a credible business plan.

      Just speaking from experience.

    40. Re:Mweeehhhh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      WTF does Obama have to do with that? Nothing would have been different with Romney or McCain, they're all the same. The politicians are all in the pockets of the banksters and financiers, and they're the true leaches of the people in group #1. Obama is nothing more than a puppet.

    41. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a scary, and stupid, person.

    42. Re:Mweeehhhh by gonzonista · · Score: 1

      If you think everyone else is an idiot, this could explain why you have no social wealth. When your friends help you with something that you otherwise would have had to pay for, that is part of your social wealth. It's not all about money.

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    43. Re:Mweeehhhh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Thank God I don't have to worry about getting friends because I want 'social wealth.' My friends are my friends because I like them, not because I want something from them.

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    44. Re:Mweeehhhh by gonzonista · · Score: 1

      The point is that your friends help you out. The reference to wealth is the only way to communicate such radical concepts to people who only believe in money.

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    45. Re:Mweeehhhh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I really don't think your point has anything to do with the topic of social value discussed in the earlier posts.

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    46. Re: Mweeehhhh by pfg23 · · Score: 1

      You've missed the point. It's a social critique, and an excellent one at that. For most techies, particularly those of the young, white, male nerd variety, tech is one big circle jerk. There are exceptions of course, but it has pretty much been this way since the birth of the PC era.

    47. Re:Mweeehhhh by monstza · · Score: 1

      tumblr is moving the world forward; you just have to consider why Yahoo bought tumblr.

      Yahoo wants to find out more about you. So it can do everything from sending you target advertising... to telling companies how many people will buy their new product. I think that's moving the world forward.

      I wish Google had a better idea of how many people would buy their Nexus 7.

    48. Re:Mweeehhhh by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Seem to be two classes of jobs. 1. Those who do real work - The STEM workers, nurses, mechanics, roofers. 2. Those who research, investigate, comment, blog, report, and generally leach of the people in #1.

      Yeah, right. Because people like Alan Turing (researcher) leach off people like the average MCSE.
      (You're an idiot, in case no one told you this before)

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    49. Re:Mweeehhhh by gonzonista · · Score: 1

      The man said he didn't care about social value. My point is that there is value in social relationships and it is foolish to only look at monetary relationships.

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    50. Re:Mweeehhhh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Read it again. Social value in that context is talking about "things that society values." The point is, I don't care what society values. Sure, I like my friends, but not because society says I should. That is the topic of discussion.

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    51. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, the most capable people tend to shift their focus to the things they value most. Sometimes that's riches, other times it's surfing. The TFA- Author can GTFO.

    52. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I challenge you to prove it has ever been any other way. Einstein made far, far less than Bill Gates, inflation considered.

    53. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to that, the Engineer wasn't especially brilliant - "idiot-savant" was a description used more than once about them.

      "Idiot-savant" (using the psychological terms) sounds like the perfect description for a perfect engineer. The perfect engineer would be able to do brillian engineering things, because that would be a lot of fun to him, while not giving a fuck about anything else (including politics). All you have to do is make sure he's healthy and fed, and he'll do wonderful things that you can use.

    54. Re:Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the issue here is similar to a common misconception about evolution.

      The misconception about evolution is something along the lines 'If creature B is evolved from creature A, then creature B is the next evolutionary step. Through evolution, creature B obtained a trait that helped it survive better than creature A(so far this is all hunky dory). Therefore, all improvements on A will be evolutionarily better than A. So evolution C, D, ..., Z will be better, with Z being the best.'

      It's the idea that evolution is somehow working towards a perfect being, when that is not that case.

      Similarly, with society, it is not the goal of everyone everywhere to become to best possible person producing the most benefit to society. Some people have smaller goals, which are no less admirable, such as providing a safe home for their family and giving their children opportunities to learn and explore the world. Focusing on one's family might mean they don't go out and make some amazing innovation, and instead work a steady job they're qualified for that pays the bills.

      It should also be noted that no one in the history of our species has been productive 100% of the time. We need R&R and socialization, which is exactly what Tumblr targeted. Whether you like Tumblr or not is moot, because it has obviously made a lasting impact on a large group of people.

    55. Re:Mweeehhhh by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Just because something has never been done, doesn't mean it will never be done. See if you can find some smallpox. We are also well on our way to eradicating Polio. How long did man exist without flight?

    56. Re:Mweeehhhh by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I think we are in a holding pattern. The last 100 years have advanced us tremendously as a species. Those gains need to be consolidated, and the old thinkers or chaff need to fall away. Either time, or some sort of massive upheaval will be necessary for more breakneck advancement. We are in a stage of steady adoption of new (to many) ideas, but there is a lot of back and forth. Eventually our momentum will only be forward.

    57. Re:Mweeehhhh by Gen_Music · · Score: 1

      Law is the huge limiting factor, I believe. Big business likes holding patterns, it keeps profits predictable if the world around it is as stable as possible.

    58. Re:Mweeehhhh by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, laws made by old thinkers, or as I like to refer to them, chaff.

    59. Re: Mweeehhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thoughts are dangerous. Don't provoke them!

    60. Re:Mweeehhhh by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      You're really missing out, it's hysterical. Don't watch it expecting "Starship Troopers", watch it as though it's "Klendathu 90210". Some really funny stuff in there.

    61. Re:Mweeehhhh by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      heh, noted. I'll put on my list.

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  2. Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ideas? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Many younger people are simply interested in innovative and original ideas?

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  3. physician, heal thyself by waddgodd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where does writing inane, self-centric books fit in Nnaemeka's weltanschlung?

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    1. Re:physician, heal thyself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      weltanschauung.

    2. Re:physician, heal thyself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      weltanschlong.

    3. Re:physician, heal thyself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you forgot login again Nnaemeka.

    4. Re:physician, heal thyself by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      Weltanschauung, Schmeltanschauung !

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    5. Re:physician, heal thyself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      physician, heal thyself

      That's the same advice I got about sex.

      captcha: nothing

    6. Re:physician, heal thyself by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Exactly... what's worse than someone wasting their talents on a dumb idea? Someone wasting their talents writing about someone wasting their talents on a dumb idea...

  4. silly by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think there are lots of smart people helping those that fewer people care about (there are no groups that need help that nobody does), you just don't hear about it because they don't get invited to the White House.

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    1. Re:silly by Cenan · · Score: 2

      Or they don't shout it from the roof tops everytime they take a longer than usual piss. Not everyone have a need to be heard like Nnaemeka.

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    2. Re:silly by tqk · · Score: 2

      ... there are no groups that need help that nobody does ...

      Where'd you get the rose coloured glasses?

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    3. Re:silly by kermidge · · Score: 1

      "there are no groups that need help that nobody does"

      May be so from your viewpoint. Truth is it's bullshit. I see it and live it every day.

    4. Re:silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but they are not called smart since they are not chasing the money.

  5. After their dreams are crushed... by CmdrEdem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the "best and brightest" will just go back to feed the money machine. After all, they are competent and they also need to eat when they`re bankrupt. VCs have money to spare and they will benefit either way.

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    1. Re:After their dreams are crushed... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      the "best and brightest" will just go back to feed the money machine. After all, they are competent and they also need to eat when they`re bankrupt. VCs have money to spare and they will benefit either way.

      the money machine is the dumb ideas.
      that's why they're chasing dumb ideas. because vc's pay them to. because she told them to.

      so the smart people are implementing dumb ideas because that's what pays their living.

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    2. Re:After their dreams are crushed... by number17 · · Score: 1

      The money machine would rather have entrepreneurs fund unsuccessful ideas and purchase the good ones just as they become rising stars.

      The latest dumping of costs from the money machine comes from Air Canada's new airline that will have flight attendants pay for their own training costs.
      http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/air-canada-rouge-defends-employee-paid-disney-training-202822545.html

  6. Faulty premise by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The smart people don't really want to help the lower class. Ugh, have you actually met any of them? Shudder. If anything they should be vexed even more than they are already.

    What the smart people want is to be seen as helping the lower class. This gives you fantastic social status (among other smart people, naturally) and ensures that you will be invited to all the right parties. The lower class will themselves not be attending these parties. Again, a five minute conversation with any of them is quite enough.

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    1. Re:Faulty premise by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Replace "smart people" with "1%" and you've got it about right.

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    2. Re:Faulty premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Confusing rich and smart much?

    3. Re:Faulty premise by fazig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is really sad, but I can only confirm this from what I've learned from my peers and me.
      We mostly chose to stay at the university in a laboratory, have comfortable working hours for less pay, but we're surrounded mostly by smart people all the time. The most annoying things are when I have to explain that LIDAR and laser interferometry, which we mostly do here, aren't quite the same to some business representatives, who obviously also lack scientific education. Which is still magnitudes away from the dull conversations I can have with real 'lower class' citizens because of the huge educational gap.
      A short conversation with those 'lower class' people may also reveal that their perception of the 'smart types' often isn't that good anyway. There is a lot of envy because the smart types apparently don't have to work that much, but instead sit in front of a computers and play their little games, write numbers and talk with nerd words all day, and of course they earn a ****load of money for doing 'nothing'.

    4. Re:Faulty premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Larry Ellison.

    5. Re:Faulty premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *OR* you could change your fucked-up society so that the lower classes aren't creepy discontented uneducated idiots. Like providing better education and environments during the critical formative years. More statist socialism means less corpses littering the streets, metaphorically and literally. Seriously, here in Sweden the only "class division" that exists is between immigrants and non-immigrants. In a psychosocial sense at least.

    6. Re:Faulty premise by jcr · · Score: 1

      More statist socialism means less corpses littering the streets,

      This turns out not to be the case. See north Korea.

      -jcr

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    7. Re:Faulty premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, I guess you just spend too much time stuck in a crappy lab. I don't know what lab you work in, but the one I work in (and previous ones too) have quite a few people volunteering on their free time to do outreach, which means spending a lot of time talking to people without science backgrounds, including many of which that are lower class. And despite the stereotypes some people develop, a lot of them are quick learners and will pick up things fast if you catch their attention.

      The most annoying things are when I have to explain that LIDAR and laser interferometry,

      And i used to run an interferometer at a previous job... was pretty easy to explain and was one of the funner parts of a lab tour and demonstrations, especially if you have a chance to set up an interferometer that shows the deflections in a cinder block wall from a kid pushing on it.

    8. Re:Faulty premise by cusco · · Score: 1

      North Korea is not socialist in the least. It's closer to Feudalism than it is to Socialism, which is the same direction that the 1% in the US wants to take us.

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    9. Re:Faulty premise by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      One reason I have respect for Sean Penn. Dude put his body where his mouth is and actually spent months and months on the ground in Haiti, and that's a miserable place.

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    10. Re:Faulty premise by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      LOL. Go ahead and talk to the lower classes in your precious Sweden. Invite them to your parties. Oh, you won't be doing that? Why, exactly?

      Why do any of us even bother listening to Swedes? In another 20 years you'll all be gone.

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    11. Re:Faulty premise by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Of course, Sweden is currently the model of peaceful socialism. "Class division" isn't some abstract concept of immigration status, it's fueled (like everything else) by differences in race, status, income, education, and other social inequalities.

      Not saying Sweden is any worse (or even as bad) as many other countries, but don't kid yourself that you somehow avoided these universal issues faced by all societies. That attitude and misperception of the real situation is one of the reason these things get as bad as they are. You can see it play out over and over in European and American history whenever there are waves of "immigration" (slavery, escape from war, famine, or just "opportunity").

    12. Re:Faulty premise by tlambert · · Score: 1

      *OR* you could change your fucked-up society so that the lower classes aren't creepy discontented uneducated idiots.

      How are creepy discontented educated idiots any better, other than they know how to make bombs using pressure cookers and set them off at marathons?

      Like providing better education and environments during the critical formative years.

      How are creepy discontented educated idiots, who had parental involvement in their early lives, any better, other than they come from homes where they can afford to obtain restricted materials from illegal sources and injuring 21 people and killing 15 others, including themselves, at Columbine High School?

      More statist socialism means less corpses littering the streets, metaphorically and literally. Seriously, here in Sweden the only "class division" that exists is between immigrants and non-immigrants. In a psychosocial sense at least.

      And what, precisely, are you doing to remedy that social injustice which you have just identified?

    13. Re:Faulty premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An obstacle to that is that the American underclass generally doesn't value education very highly. We've had plenty of immigrant waves that started out in unskilled labor and within a few generations, many reached middle or upper class status (Germans, Irish, Italian, Jews, Chinese, etc.) The problem is that those left behind in the rough, generally ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods, be they inner city or deep country generally don't value education. The few that do, generally try to get out and don't come back. Frankly, I'm not sure how to go about fixing south-side Chicago, Detroit, or the rougher parts of the Deep South until we can culturally value academics over athletics as the way to improve one's life.

    14. Re:Faulty premise by sjames · · Score: 1

      North Korea is all about the ruling class. There is nothing socialist about it.

    15. Re:Faulty premise by fazig · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess you just spend too much time stuck in a crappy lab. I don't know what lab you work in, but the one I work in (and previous ones too) have quite a few people volunteering on their free time to do outreach, which means spending a lot of time talking to people without science backgrounds, including many of which that are lower class. And despite the stereotypes some people develop, a lot of them are quick learners and will pick up things fast if you catch their attention.

      All we get as volunteers are other bachelor students from the lower semesters or engineers/technicians with no university/college degree. Only sometimes we have an open door day where interested children can visit the lab. Those children deserve a chance to get a good education, no matter what social class they are from. They didn't choose to be born into that class or to parents who think that education is useless since you can live on welfare too. The real lower class in my eyes already gave up on their education, and I don't really want to help them unless they come forward with it.

      And i used to run an interferometer at a previous job... was pretty easy to explain and was one of the funner parts of a lab tour and demonstrations, especially if you have a chance to set up an interferometer that shows the deflections in a cinder block wall from a kid pushing on it.

      We usually have a setup with an interferometer and a speaker under a large transparent vacuum bell jar. Then we turn on the music and people can hear the sound from the speaker, when we drain the air from the jar the sound becomes inaudible, then we turn on the laser and the electronics behind the photodiode turn the signal to audible sound again. This is usually a very effective demonstration. It's not really annoying to talk to business reps since they usually have excellent communication skills, but it's still one of the most annoying things I have to do there :).

    16. Re:Faulty premise by gonzonista · · Score: 1

      How about Somalia? Not too much statist socialism happening there?

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  7. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    Many younger people are simply interested in innovative and original ideas?

    it's the vc's fault for giving money for dumb ideas. the young people just need the work, dumb or not.

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  8. Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All underclass problems would disappear if poor and starving people just STOP BREEDING before they become filthy rich.

    1. Re:Nonsense by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I realize this is a troll, but there is some truth to this... SOME.

      Smart people do not have children they can't raise in a good healthy environment and can't properly give them all the things they need as they grow and graduate into adulthood.

      Unfortunately, we have far too many non-smart people. Both rich and poor, they have children they can't or won't care for. Both end up spoiled and neglected and this has been going on for 2-3 generations now. Under these conditions, the results are more than predictable. And the poor become a drain on society.

      Now if this notion were followed through and actually happened? Well, that'd be another problem entirely. We need a middle class and we don't have one. The rich send our jobs everywhere else but here and they are slowly running out of people they can sell their crap to. Do you know how poor people are getting their cell phones now? Government subsidized service. Seriously. Welfare mobile phones. And of course they are on welfare everything else as well.

      Most of us here on slashdot don't really know what it's like to be poor and on welfare. I've had unfortunate times, though, and I know it all too well. To me it was a nightmare, but most of them were extremely comfortable in their misery. Extremely comfortable.

      Shit lost a healthy balance long ago. There is no limit on greed and no limit on laziness. Why there is a dwindling middle-class is partly because they have lowered the measure of what middle-class is and largely because of wealth distribution problems. Like global warming, I think we've gone too far already.

      "we live in interesting times."

    2. Re:Nonsense by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      Smart people do not have children they can't raise in a good healthy environment and can't properly give them all the things they need as they grow and graduate into adulthood.

      This is the normal excuse of "educated" people (have a look at Idiocrazy). What they really don't want, is to risk their careers. You could raise kids with less money. They still could get educated, as long as you support that. For example, in Germany the school system is highly selective. As long as your parents are educated well, you have a much higher chance to graduate from high school and go to university afterwards then children from less educated families. Even if you school system is not that bad, the same effect would still be existent.

      A second cause for that imbalance is that educated people form partnerships and families later in life. They would be able to do that sooner if they would not constantly be taught to finish quickly. Otherwise some (more) women would consider have kids during their bachelor and master programs.

      But most important. The "not-so-smart" people are not unintelligent. So educate them!

    3. Re:Nonsense by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Please check out my other comment about our consumerist society. Our self-esteem comes quite directly from our ability to buy things.

      This is our society. We can't change it today or tomorrow. Now explain how you can raise a child with good moral strength and peace of mind without also having any level of financial security and stability. There is more to building a person than education. In fact, I have seen and known some extremely educated people who haven't a clue about how to live.

      I actually have three sons. Each of them have had as much as I could give them. The first two graduated with honors under the IB program and on. My little one has even more of my attention. I'm very conscious of what it takes to raise a child. I don't do home schooling because I have to bring money home. But all homework and all in-class work is reviewed and discussed when he gets home and I am in very close contact with the teachers. I'm not making excuses -- I'm telling you what I'm doing because I do as much as I can. And I'm not consumerist personally and so far, neither are my children. But social skills and the ability to function in society is extremely important.

      The alternative? It's hard to imagine without living on public assistance.

    4. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really think that is the problem. In my neighbourhood there is this family with 1 mother and 2 sons (the father died early), the mother has to sell vegetable and save every little bit of money to raise her sons. Yet they are the brightest ones around, both ranked 1st in the entrance exams for the best universities of the country. If two little boys in a third world country can do it, why the people in the largest economy of the world can't? (I presume you are talking about the USA here).
      (in case you are curious, I am a Vietnamese citizen).

    5. Re:Nonsense by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I not get my self-esteem from the things I can buy. I lived perfectly with 700 EUR a month and I would be able to live with that today or with social security system money, if there were no jobs out there for me. My mother was able to raise us with little money. So money alone is not the most important stuff, as long as you have some steady income.

      If you want to raise kids in a way that they can be a productive part of society, you should teach them, that consumerism is not the solution for a healthy and fulfilled life. Worked pretty well with my siblings.

      My point is, if you have kids, you are able to muddle through. However, if you have no money it might be hard to get them into university (well not everyone needs to go there, sometimes other types of education are better suited for them) if you have to pay for them.

      That's why I think we should invest in the poor and uneducated, so they can get education. Actually in many countries, the universities are without fees for the students. And they can get money from the state during their studies. I know, it is different in the US. So I would recommend changing that.

    6. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To rephrase it, I believe he's stating that we in the US have a cultural "laziness" problem that has become ingrained over the past 2 to 3 generations. I don't know that I agree, but I can see why he's come to that conclusion, and I've ruminated on the exact same problem myself.

      Oh, and people in our economy very much can "do it". However, whenever I hear a story about someone coming up from nothing into great success, there's a very good chance that it's an immigrant or the 1st generation descendants of one. Of course, that's a collection of anecdotes, not data. Still, I'm concerned that few of us seem to be willing to defer gratification enough to allow for success.

      - T

    7. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smart people do not have children they can't raise in a good healthy environment and can't properly give them all the things they need as they grow and graduate into adulthood.

      Double negatives! No punctuation! Run on sentence!
          "do not have childredn they can't" ... "and can't"
      is that the same as
          "have children that can" ... "and can", or
          "have children that can" ... "and can't"

      This whole sentence is ambiguous at best.

      What does this mean? Can somebody please parse this.

    8. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE POOR BECOME A DRAIN TO SOCIETY?

      My goodness. There will always be a poor. For some to "have" some must "have not," and you won't see any haves giving enough to collective of have-nots as to bring them near the level of haves. But, for this reason, the havenots should be celebrated!

    9. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just no. I lived in poverty as a kid and there was no welfare. I hate it deeply.

    10. Re:Nonsense by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1

      Throwing away my mod points for this. George W. Bush started offering subsidized mobile phones to poor people because it's actually more expensive to give them a land-line. (Prepaid phone service is also priced cheaper than a land-line, something poor people get when they don't qualify for a free phone.) Also, would you rather have people who need to apply for work, and need emergency services, have no phone at all? I suspect the way that it keeps poor people from being unable to apply for jobs at all pays for itself program-wise. (A third of all welfare recipients get off of welfare within 3 years time, would you rather they be unable to apply for jobs because they can't afford a phone?)

  9. Capitalism is degenerating. by optikos · · Score: 1

    It is very difficult to make money in discovering something new. The EU & USA governments have already spent themselves to the max, so they cannot provide, say, a trillion dollars per year for needed R&D. The VCs like to pursue something either narcissistic or advertising based (or preferably both), because that is what they understand the most and looks like easy money.

  10. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Skimmed through TFA, it doesn't seem like he has any suggestions on what to focus on, as long as it's not everyone dogpiling on one thing.

    But the way things are going, maybe we should all be working on building these:
    http://www.designboom.com/design/mobile-homeless-shelter/

  11. He has a point by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone's so quick to attack, but he has a point. Whatever the cause, the tech industry seems to want its best and brightest to become toymakers. There are a lot a problems that could be helped by new tech, but none of that seems to be as glorious as working on the new iPhone, a better Google Maps, or the next hit app.

    1. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is always been the case. The people working on pure research need lots of funding because, by definition, the payoff won't come for five years or more even in the best case. Usually, this funding comes from a national government, private universities (w/ government funds), or from a huge corporation like IBM, Google, or big pharma - and the people with the purse strings are helping to call the tune. Independent inventors like Dean Kamen are outstanding exceptions.

    2. Re:He has a point by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      It's the lure of the $1.1Billion payout for a couple years work that has everybody wanting to be the next Tumblr. Why work on something that will actually do something new and useful when there's $1.1 billion available for the next free porn shovel?

    3. Re:He has a point by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone's so quick to attack, but he has a point. Whatever the cause, the tech industry seems to want its best and brightest to become toymakers. There are a lot a problems that could be helped by new tech, but none of that seems to be as glorious as working on the new iPhone, a better Google Maps, or the next hit app.

      Even the homeless and destitute in the US enjoy a standard of living far above that of the average human even a century ago. The middle class lives better than most historical kings and emperors.

      We value toys because we've made life too easy. We need to get up five days a week and spend a third of the day doing something we'd rather not; what then? That leaves a third of each day (not spent sleeping), and two whole days a week where we need to fill the time. Hell, today, I need to go out and mow the lawn, and I've already put it off wasting time online for three hours (and it'll only take me two to do the task) - Oh, boo-fuckin'-hoo, wontcha have some sympathy for poor ol' me, needing to trudge through the Sisyphean task of walking behind a machine that magically makes the grass shorter and packages it neatly in a bag for me? ;)

      Make no mistake, I do not glamorize work or hold the delusion that it somehow counts as in some way noble or good for the soul. But we've already won. We simply don't care about social-issue-X as much as we value cheap tasty calories and cheap immersive entertainment.

    4. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's more to it than that.

      You're right, there are a lot of problems that could be helped by new tech. Just look at transportation for instance: we spend a ton of money on it in the US, and it sucks: it's slow, we spend lots of time idling in traffic or at stoplights, our cars are driven by oil-burning, pollution-spewing horrifically inefficient engines, and 50,000 people die every year in auto accidents.

      Tech could solve a lot of problems outside the online world, but the problem is that you have to have a good government that invests wisely in R&D, or at least you need a regulatory scheme that makes it possible for new tech to improve the situation. Why deal with all that government red tape when you can spend all your time working on a "hit app", Google Maps, a new handheld electronic device, etc.? All those things don't have much red tape at all: you build whatever you want, you put it out in the market, and you make money with it right away. You don't have to deal with all kinds of governmental problems with them.

      Suppose I want to solve the transportation problem. An idea already exists: Personal Rapid Transit, such as SkyTran. It wouldn't be that hard to build; the passive maglev rails have already been built and proven to work, the computer/software tech needed for the cars to be autonomous is somewhat trivial compared to Google's infrastructure, and the cars themselves would be dirt-cheap compared to a modern car (gas or electric like Tesla). However, even if you could get funding for the initial R&D and production, there's more to building and deploying such a system than just getting a factory and building them: you have to get governments at all levels (federal down to local) to agree on it, to standardize on one system (so they can all link up), and new regulation set up to police it all and make sure it's safe, to secure right-of-way, etc. Add to that that it competes with existing technologies (namely GM, Ford, etc.), who have lobbyists who will try to shoot down anything that competes with privately-owned automobiles, just like they've done with various public transit systems in the past.

      Or how about aviation? Think you can invent a better aircraft? Good luck getting past the FAA.

      It's simply much easier to just sit at your computer and write a new software app. You don't have to deal with government regulators (who are applying decades-old regulations to brand-new ideas) when you do that.

    5. Re:He has a point by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It's simply much easier to just sit at your computer and write a new software app. You don't have to deal with government regulators (who are applying decades-old regulations to brand-new ideas) when you do that.

      This in a nutshell. Sure, you can solve a lot of those big problems technically. But that's not the real issue. After all, we here at Slashdot have solved the world's problems many times over. In fact, we do it each week.

      But the problems still remain - it's POLITICS folks. To solve societal ills we're talking about capital that dwarfs Bill Gates, Warren, Elon and Micheal Bloomberg together. Getting that capital requires a political will that simply doesn't exist. At least in terms of 'solving societies problems'.

      Go run for office and try not to get corrupted.

      I think I'll go outside now....

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    6. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The middle class lives better than most historical kings and emperors.

      If you're talking about seas of gold, the ability to have anyone you want killed, and an endless supply of whores, then obviously you are correct.

    7. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you standardize your rails - look at UK they have not and they still have the best railways in the world!

    8. Re:He has a point by pauljlucas · · Score: 2

      You're right, there are a lot of problems that could be helped by new tech. Just look at transportation for instance: we spend a ton of money on it in the US, and it sucks: it's slow, we spend lots of time idling in traffic or at stoplights, our cars are driven by oil-burning, pollution-spewing horrifically inefficient engines, and 50,000 people die every year in auto accidents.

      New tech isn't going to solve transportation problems. We already know how to solve transportation problems and it comes down to money for building new infrastructure, e.g, subways, light rail, high-speed heavy-rail, and transit-only lanes. All that is hugely expensive.

      Then there's the NIMBYs. Take San Francisco: people complain about Muni (the city transit agency), but they simultaneously fight tooth-and-nail against any improvements because they don't want their neighborhoods or businesses temporarily disrupted for a couple of years for the construction. Cases in point: the new Central Subway that's being built and a Geary line that's been fought for decades by one man who heads the Richmond district's neighborhood association.

      Also, Muni also has way too many stops on lines, sometimes less than 1 block apart (thus slowing them down). The agency wants to remove stops, but people don't want their closest stop removed.

      People's attitudes have to change to make sacrifices for the greater good rather than it being about me, me, me.

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    9. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not getting corrupted is easy. I'm sure I could pull that off. You just have to not be a sociopath or someone with a poor moral compass.

      The problem is that if the kind of person who can't be corrupted, the likelihood of you getting elected is almost zero. The voters don't want such people as leaders, they want people who tell them what they want to hear and fool them with lies. So sociopaths get elected because they're good at lying and deception.

      But yes, your point is correct: the problem with many problems is politics, not technology. The political hurdles are too great for a bunch of geeks to deal with, whereas it's quite feasible for us to work on problems on our laptop computers sitting in our offices, basements, bedrooms, or coffee shops and only having to communicate with each other (e.g., on lkml.org).

      However, there's another aspect: when a problem and its solution are entirely in one domain, especially the domain of computing, that also makes things easier. Even if the political problems weren't a factor, other problems are less wieldy: building automobiles, aircraft, space stations, etc., requires more than just sitting in your basement or a nearby coffee shop typing away on a computer; you have to have lots of raw materials, factories, steel foundries, etc. Doing stuff solely on a computer is a lot easier in many ways than dealing with other physical things.

    10. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      New tech isn't going to solve transportation problems. We already know how to solve transportation problems and it comes down to money for building new infrastructure, e.g, subways, light rail, high-speed heavy-rail, and transit-only lanes. All that is hugely expensive.

      Wrong: those things don't solve transportation problems, because they're all 19th-century technology. Subways only work in extremely dense areas like Manhattan and SanFran, not in Louisville KY or Ames IA. Light rail sucks; it's slow and very expensive (they put it in Phoenix recently and it's terrible). That's why 20th-century technology like PRT is the solution: use automated cars to move people between points of their choosing, on demand (rather than according to a fixed schedule). There's a reason people hate public transit in most places: it's too slow and inflexible: why should I have to stand around for 55 minutes waiting for the next bus, when I can get in my car at any time at all and go where I want, when I want? The only way to do this level of convenience and speed with public transit is to move to PRT.

      The other problem with the 19th-century tech you mentioned is the enormous cost and the disruption caused by construction. PRT doesn't have those problems: with SkyTran, you hang the rails from simple utility poles. There's no more disruption than with putting in some telephone poles. With cars weighing 1000 lbs or less, rather than train cars weighing many many tons, you don't need such massive infrastructure, or even to put it on the ground.

      Also, Muni also has way too many stops on lines, sometimes less than 1 block apart (thus slowing them down). The agency wants to remove stops, but people don't want their closest stop removed.

      Who the hell wants to walk 2 miles from the nearest stop to their destination? This is another reason this 19th-century tech is crap. With PRT, you can have stops anywhere you want; the automated cars only go to the stop where the occupants of the car want to go, instead of stopping at every stop in between.

      People's attitudes have to change to make sacrifices for the greater good rather than it being about me, me, me.

      Putting in backwards, obsolete, inefficient, and expensive transit systems does not serve the greater good, especially when we have the technology (and have had it for 40 years) to do something much better.

    11. Re:He has a point by FeatureSpace · · Score: 1

      You're spot-on about Google Maps. I've never seen a better example of an app solving anti-problems and a few real problems but earning little revenue for it, when it could actually solve big and financially valuable problems if Google chose to.

      I'd love to ask Larry Page and Sergey Brin: "How are you content to spend $1.5 billion a year on research yet $12.9 out of $14.4 billion of your 2012 revenue is from showing ads on search results?" $1.5 billion a year can solve a lot of big and valuable problems based on what my software development team can do on a few million a year.

    12. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like you!

    13. Re:He has a point by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Well said.

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    14. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The middle class lives better than most historical kings and emperors.

      I don't know.

      On one hand, I have a spacious apartment, food from across the entire world, and am not likely to die in my prime from mere influenza.

      On the other hand, I can't go around having people I don't like decapitated, or hung upside down and anally raped with a pear-shaped instrument, or cut into limbs and a torso, with their head mounted on a pike.

      It's really a toss up whether we live better than most historical kings and emperors.

    15. Re:He has a point by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      But we've already won.

      I think that's the point of the article. Some of us have won. Some of us are losing badly.

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    16. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This PRT, how much does it cost per ride? More than ten times the cost of the bus or the subway?

      How fast is it? Less than half as fast as a car? As slow as a bus?

      How long does it take to get a PRT vehicle? As long as it takes to hail a taxicab?

      Really, I think PRT will mostly compete with cabs at first. So they'll have to beat cabs in price, speed, and availability.

    17. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      There is a porn shovel?

      Quick, take my money!

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    18. Re:He has a point by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      SkyTran is a good example of why these things don't get done. People focus on ideas that just won't work. Ideas that claim to solve problems by not even acknowledging that the problems exist. The idea has been out there for years. I don't know when I saw it for the first time, but I'm thinking it as been in the decade range. Even with it being out there for a decade, the site doesn't address significant issues:

      How does it handle people using the pods as toilets?
      How does it handle carrying everything that doesn't fit in that little cab?
      How does it handle fitting 100 fifteen foot pods in 1000 feet of track?
      How does it get people the last mile to their actual destination?
      How does it handle letting people keep their personal belongings in close proximity without having to carry them around?

      Etc...

      SkyTran is an idea to improve public transportation. It is not an idea to replace cars. As it stands, public transportation is only "good" in places that cars are so popular that the system starts to collapse. As the joke goes "No one drives in New York. There's too much traffic.".

      Some of these problems could be mitigate. The ability to call a "Hauler" sized pod when needed could mitigate the problem of the pods being too small to carry your shopping. Other problems really can't with this system. E.g. Last mile.

      The biggest problem for these kinds of ideas is that the people pushing them take the stance that all of society should rearrange itself to fit their half baked solution instead of finding a solution that really solves the problem.

      Right off the bat, I could point out how to solve most of the SkyTrans problems, but the idea would not be considered by those pushing it. Instead of having pods, have platforms. Make a platform that people can drive their car onto with gates that lift to keep anything from falling off. This way, instead of riding in a piss filled capsule where forgetting to pick your phone up off the seat means you no longer have a phone; you take your 'pod' with you. You can actually get that last 1 or 2 miles to your destination, and the system has a built in transition system. Of course, people pushing SkyTrans would generally balk at this idea. Why? Because they are not really trying to solve the transportation problem. They are trying to solve the 'car problem'. The thing is, cars are not the problem. Cars are just the best solution for personal transportation that has yet been devised.

    19. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You, my good sir, do not understand freedom at all. Yes you CAN do those things. You shouldn't but you CAN.

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    20. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Are you aware that 50,000 people is about 1/6000 of our country's population? I'd say it is a good trade off in the risks vs. rewards department. The rest of your comment was pretty much spot on but I hate when people toss out large-seeming numbers to make it look good.

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    21. Re:He has a point by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The problem with PRT is that it still doesn't address the "Who the hell wants to walk 2 miles from the nearest stop to their destination?" question. The solution to mass transit is to accept that people need to go where the transit lines don't go, and a big enough percentage of the population uses their vehicle as an extension of their home or business that expecting people to carry everything they bring this them is unrealistic. The PRT must move a vehicle for it to even start displacing cars.

    22. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The system they are speaking of is one where you have your own individual car and that car fits on a universal track system so that you're not limited in where you go. The track's access would be near your home and would be above ground (suspended in the air usually is how I see them promoted) and would enable you to travel anywhere in the country with it. Having different track sizes would seriously impede your ability to travel anywhere, no?

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    23. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The middle class lives better than most historical kings and emperors.

      If you're talking about seas of gold, the ability to have anyone you want killed, and an endless supply of whores, then obviously you are correct.

      The stock markets are closed today, I'm about to play Skyrim for a few hours, and when I'm bored of that, I'll alt-tab out and watch some pr0n. You were saying?

    24. Re:He has a point by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Even the homeless and destitute in the US enjoy a standard of living far above that of the average human even a century ago.

      The average human a century ago had a home, which might not have been fancy but still better than nothing, therefore your claim is absurd.

      We simply don't care about social-issue-X as much as we value cheap tasty calories and cheap immersive entertainment.

      This has always been the case. Ever heard of the term "bread and circuses"? It has nothing to do with having "already won" and everything to do with short-sighted laziness.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    25. Re:He has a point by ultranova · · Score: 1

      After all, we here at Slashdot have solved the world's problems many times over. In fact, we do it each week.

      You must be talking about some other Slashdot. In this one, everyone proposes their pet ideology as an instant solution to every problem, then start calling each other names when they don't instantly capitulate. So it's pretty much the same as political debate everywhere else.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    26. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Go read the Wikipedia article about SkyTran, and the site itself at skytran.net. I'll attempt to answer your questions anyway:

      This PRT, how much does it cost per ride? More than ten times the cost of the bus or the subway?

      Theoretically, it should be much cheaper, because the per-mile cost of building it is perhaps 1/10 as much. Sticking up a bunch of utility poles (basically like telephone poles) and hanging some prefabricated tracks on them isn't especially time-consuming or laborious, unlike using multi-billion-dollar TBMs to bore tunnels for subways or having to shut down everything in the area to build a light-rail rail (this is what happened in Phoenix/Tempe; lots of businesses were put out of business because of the road closures).

      How fast is it? Less than half as fast as a car? As slow as a bus?

      Speeds of up to 100mph in the city, maybe 150mph outside. Also, since your car takes you right to your destination with no stops (no stoplights either), you don't waste time on any stops in between. So much, much faster than a car. (At intersections, the tracks run at different elevations so traffic can go in both directions simultaneously.)

      How long does it take to get a PRT vehicle? As long as it takes to hail a taxicab?

      Probably. There's stops at various locations, and presumably, high-traffic stops (like the mall) will have unoccupied cars travel to them automatically in anticipation of demand, and waiting for riders, while at low-traffic stops, you'll probably have to "hail" a car. However, with today's mobile technology, they'll probably make an "app" to reserve a car when you want, so you can have one ready for you at your neighborhood SkyTran stop in the morning, for instance.

      Really, I think PRT will mostly compete with cabs at first. So they'll have to beat cabs in price, speed, and availability.

      Considering the main cost is the construction cost (which again should be a tiny fraction of that for light rail or subways), and of course the original R&D cost (they need to acquire a mainframe or high-reliability server farm and build the software for running it), and the operating cost is next-to-nothing (two hairdryer's worth of electric power to run, and no costly driver to pay), it should be pretty cheap. Of course, governments have a way of screwing up things like this; that's the real danger. So price and speed should be easy, availability is up to how fast they build it out, versus the demand. If they don't build it out enough (e.g. don't buy enough cars to put on the system), and suddenly everyone wants to ride it because it's convenient, then availability will be poor until they buy more cars, but that should be an easy fix, which can be chalked up to "growing pains".

    27. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a small fraction of our population, but it's also 50,000 people per year that don't need to die when we have the technology to prevent those deaths. Don't forget all the maimings and other injuries too, which aren't part of that number. It adds up to a significant cost to society (medical bills, loss of labor), which can be prevented with a better and cheaper transit system that takes advantage of new (computer) technology.

    28. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier and CHEAPER - Google today has a huge infrastructure, but to get started, they merely needed an idea, namely the PageRank algorithm and then few computers, a few servers and could easily grow. Personal Rapid Transit may not be HARD to build, but even a demonstration project at a university would be expensive and involve disruptive construction (the campus already exists and was designed for cars/pedestrians). Consider as well the transitional complications - as you build out the PRT system, you'd need places on the edge of town/campus to park and switch to your new system. It also doesn't address the non-personal transport needs of freight to buildings for which you'd need to still maintain the current rail/roadway systems in parallel.

    29. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you put it in the air, you are back to needing fixed stops/sidings where the vehicle must either descend or the passenger must rise. Further, there needs to be a parallel track so that people continuing on need not stop for that one person. Think about these things for a minute and pretty soon a universal version of this starts to look an awful lot like our current car based system, only with smaller, automated vehicles. If you want to allow for non-human transport, you need to grow the infrastructure to be able to handle pallets of products rather than individual boxes. SkyTran might make sense as a supplement, but it is not going to replace our current highway system, nor our subways system - in NYC, it would have the same problems as the streets unless you built it several lanes high and wide - consider the linear space needed to hold people: on a subway train, to hold 100 people requires a car/train around 50 feet long. To carry those same 100 individually, you'd need closer to 500 feet of track, even ignoring spacing of the vehicles.

    30. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am more callous than that. I don't think the cost is beyond trivial and I think the population needs culling at times. So, I guess I am an ass but I really don't mind. We've got a lot of people already and yeah, I have lost friends and family to auto accidents, it sucks but nobody gets out of life alive. You grieve, you move on. Things go back to normal. Sometimes it seems like things won't ever go back to normal but they do.

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    31. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're not just an ass, you're a fucking moron. From Wiktionary, one of the definitions of "cull" is "A piece unfit for inclusion within a larger group; an inferior specimen." So if your goal is to improve the population, then you want to remove the poorest members of the population (e.g., the Darwin Award candidates). Auto accidents don't do that; they remove people entirely at random, and frequently our better members (because they can afford cars, unlike people who can only afford to take the bus, and middle-class-and-up people tend to be better educated and more productive for society). There was an article just today on Slashdot, IIRC, of some fairly well-known tech guy in Silicon Valley getting killed in an auto accident. Auto accidents don't kill just stupid people; they're usually caused by someone stupid, but then at least half the time (probably much more) they kill some innocent person who got in the stupid person's way.

    32. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      as you build out the PRT system, you'd need places on the edge of town/campus to park and switch to your new system.

      You mean like the Park-n-Ride lots they already have?

      The idea of PRT is that you'd build it out to everyplace in a suburban area. It's not an urban mass-transit system like a subway, in fact it's not as efficient as subways for moving lots of people, so it really isn't that well-suited for extremely high-density places like Manhattan. It's meant for lower-density places, like most other cities in America. Fully built-out, there should be a stop every quarter-mile or so, so you should never have far to walk.

      It also doesn't address the non-personal transport needs of freight to buildings for which you'd need to still maintain the current rail/roadway systems in parallel.

      Family sedans don't help with transporting freight either. So yes, you'd still need heavy rail and roads. PRT isn't meant to address every transportation problem out there, it's meant for providing a cheap and fast way to move people around, especially for commuting. If you need to tow a boat, then you're still going to need a truck and trailer, just like today's cabs, subways, light rails, and buses aren't going to help you with moving boats, pallets of cargo, or a month's worth of groceries from Costco. Yes, roads would still be needed, but there'd be a fraction of the traffic on them, so they wouldn't need so much maintenance and repair, and they wouldn't need so many lanes. Many of them could be narrowed, in fact. You wouldn't need 10-lane freeways in LA with a fully-built-out SkyTran system handling most of the commuting traffic (you'd probably still want 2-lane freeways for handling the truck traffic and other traffic which hasn't gone to SkyTran like soccer moms, Fedex trucks, SUV die-hards, limos, etc.).

    33. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you put it in the air, you are back to needing fixed stops/sidings where the vehicle must either descend or the passenger must rise. Further, there needs to be a parallel track so that people continuing on need not stop for that one person.

      Yes, so what? Of course these things would be there. It doesn't cost that much to add a metal platform for boarding and disembarking. Also, I'm not entirely sure to what degree, but the track surely has a certain amount of bend allowed, so that cars can come closer to the ground at stops. And of course there'd be a parallel track; again, the track isn't that expensive, not compared to the construction cost for asphalt roads (and especially not concrete highways).

      Think about these things for a minute and pretty soon a universal version of this starts to look an awful lot like our current car based system, only with smaller, automated vehicles.

      Yes, of course. That's the idea; it's supposed to eventually replace passenger cars for much of the population (except certain people, like contractors who drive in trucks loaded with all their equipment), or at least much of the traffic which consists of vehicles carrying only 1 or 2 people. But again, with the construction costs being much lower than roads (esp. freeways), and far far lower than light rail (which many medium-density cities have been trying to do lately), it's feasible.

      If you want to allow for non-human transport,

      Actually, this isn't in the plans from what I've seen. It's meant to move people, not be a complete replacement for all wheeled vehicles. Pallets can be moved with trucks. Trucks don't constitute much of the total traffic on roads, especially non-freeway roads. Things would be a lot better if all the roads in my town only had the occasional delivery truck, fire truck, ambulance, soccer mom minivan, rather than the constant roar of car after car with only 1 person inside, and all those people just going from place to place with no more cargo than a couple of grocery bags or a backpack are riding overhead in whisper-silent automated cars.

      SkyTran might make sense as a supplement

      Yes, exactly.

      but it is not going to replace our current highway system, nor our subways system

      It's not meant to. For NYC (Manhattan), it's not efficient enough, and the density is too high; subways are actually the best choice there. However, there's still a lot of car traffic there, and cabs, and that could all be replaced with a high-priced SkyTran (the system could automatically tack on a big $15-20 surcharge for destinations inside Manhattan). It's already expensive as hell to take a cab in NYC, so prices in that locality could be kept high to encourage more people to use the (cheaper) subways, so that only richer people or people in a big hurry bother with SkyTran there. However, that's Manhattan; the rest of NYC isn't like that. The other boroughs are much like other American cities in density, and Staten Island is basically a big suburb (as is much of northern NJ, across the river), so SkyTran would work well there I think. In fact, it could be a good way of transporting commuters from these low-density areas to subway stops at the edge of Manhattan, to continue their journey into the city using the subway (currently, most people either use the horribly slow and inconvenient NJ Transit and Long Island Railway trains, or the faster buses). But again, different systems for different places; while SkyTran isn't a replacement for subways in super-high-density places, there's only about two such places in the USA: Manhattan and SanFran (and I'm not so sure about that one either). Cities like OK City, Omaha, Louisville, Knoxville, Asheville, Mobile, Racine, Albuqueque, and many more don't have the density needed for subways, and would do well with SkyTran.

    34. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am NOT sure but I'm willing to bet that the majority of those deaths are due to driving drunk or under the influence as well as killing stupid people. There are SOME accidents that are completely at random but the safety features of cars pretty much prevent those. Some... However, if reality bears out my expectations, I bet you'll find that those people who died in car accidents are, for the most part, not random but rather people doing stupid things in their cars.

      Are there exceptions? Absolutely. It's going to happen. You take the good with the bad I suppose.

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    35. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    36. Re:He has a point by FirephoxRising · · Score: 1

      Even the homeless and destitute in the US enjoy a standard of living far above that of the average human even a century ago. Crap, homeless, hungry and freezing is the same anywhere and anywhen. The middle class lives better than most historical kings and emperors. They may do, but we're running out of them.,......

    37. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the best and brightest are NOT using logic.
      Take USA economy. It will boom when people have, and spend money. Discretionary spending money comes from earning it from jobs, or credit. Credit debit cards are out, and imaginary redraw money from outrageous housing appreciation is also off the table.
      The USA is desperately printing money to create inflation. I am afraid this bullshit is just that, and the jobs for the plankton have left forever (now made in China).

      Which leaves the fish syndrome. Some fish will take outrageous risks and bite at anything- even hooks, so that they might get a chance to mate. Printing money may encourage more human fish behavior, when the most gullible hear there MAY be job around the corner, or that the forecast is bountiful, to loosen moths from the wallet syndrome.

      Which leave the best and brightest being spin merchants and orators, and maybe deception merchants. It will take a new breed
      to measure, then act on creating a level playing field.

    38. Re:He has a point by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Lots of them. Would you like yours with or without social networking and customizable playlists?

    39. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Drunk driving accidents are famous for usually killing or maiming the non-drunk person/people in the other car, while the drunk person lives (usually unscathed).

      No, most accidents are not random, they're caused by someone doing something stupid. However, it's not usual that the stupid person suffers for his stupidity; all too often (if not most of the time), the stupid person walks away while some non-stupid innocent person gets hurt or killed.

      Think about it: suppose you get into a car, and stupidly drive into some other car (or worse, a pedestrian or cyclist) with your car. Who's going to get hurt worse? You're most likely hitting the other person with the front of your car, which is probably the best-protected, as you have the entire front-end of your car (and its energy-absorbtion zone) between you and the other object. The other person, however, could be getting hit anywhere: in the rear end (causing whiplash if not worse), in the side ("t-bone"), where there's little protection, or if you're running into a pedestrian or biker they don't have any protection at all. It's not like drunk drivers are going around hitting people while driving sideways. Also, some physicists may have something to say about how energy is transferred in auto collisions (it's probably quite unequal).

      If some drunk driver wraps his car around a tree, then no, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy. But that's frequently not what happens; from what I've seen and read, it's usually someone else who pays for their sins.

    40. Re:He has a point by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      Wrong: those things don't solve transportation problems, because they're all 19th-century technology.

      That's not an argument. "New" doesn't always mean "better."

      Light rail sucks; it's slow and very expensive...

      It's only slow if done wrong (and several municipalities do it wrong, either out of ignorance or because doing it right would cost more -- which gets back to my point that it's chiefly a money problem, not a technology problem). If you give light rail its own right-of-way, then it's certainly faster than both busses and private autos that have to sit in traffic. Throw in signal-priority for trains (assuming there are at-grade intersections) and it gets even faster. Add pre-boarding fare-payment and it gets faster still.

      That's why 20th-century technology like PRT is the solution: use automated cars to move people between points of their choosing, on demand (rather than according to a fixed schedule).

      For starters, the technology isn't there yet for real-world deployment, especially if they're on roads shared with private cars, pedestrians, and bicycles. Move it to a closed-track system and it too becomes hugely expensive, not to mention where to find the right-of-way since you can't simply phase out conventional modes of transit over night.

      ... with SkyTran, you hang the rails from simple utility poles.

      I don't know about other places, but that probably wouldn't fly at least here in SF since there are many who find anything elevated to be ugly.

      ... or even to put it on the ground.

      See 2 comments up.

      Who the hell wants to walk 2 miles from the nearest stop to their destination?

      Who said anything about 2 miles? All I said was that stops were too close. Decent spacing for stops is 2 blocks: you'll never have to walk more than 1 block to a stop. That's perfectly reasonable.

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    41. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That does make some sense. I wonder if someone keeps stats? Either way, it's a trivial number of people who, frankly, are worth it just to have the social benefits of mobility that we currently have at the expenses incurred with the technology readily available. Are there other options? Sure. I'd not start hating cars just yet though. Right now there are no FEASIBLE alternatives.

      For the record I wasn't aware of one of the definitions meaning to remove weaker/stupider but, seeing as you mention it earlier... I really am not bothered by that and it seems that most likely stupid people die in accidents. Hell, I'm not the brightest person in the world and I've managed to avoid them like the plague (for the most part - there was a crash while playing in the snow) - when someone's doing stupid shit in a vehicle near me - I move me and my vehicle out of the way. There are possibilities where that can't happen but, in all these years, I've yet to come across one and I've driven a great deal (like, a very significant amount - millions of mile, quite literally probably somewhere near 2.5 or 3 million) and have only been in an accident when I was doing stupid things behind the wheel.

      I'd count being unaware of your surroundings and acting accordingly as stupid and even more stupid when you realize that people do that behind the wheel of a two ton vehicle at sixty miles per hour. I am not sure, I don't have stats and searching Google doesn't seem to indicate anyone as having been the arbitrator of stupidity and kept stats.

      You do bring interesting thoughts to mind though. It seems that they likely have the front of the vehicle hitting them but there are so many other variables. Now I really want to know these things. I can think of so many stupid driving methods, mistakes, and behaviors that result in crashes (as compared to those that are just accidental) and it seems LIKELY that the majority are caused by stupidity. Stupidity includes inattentive driving and not maintaining proper distances. Stupidity includes not checking blind spots, intersections, and your rear view mirror.

      A driver was killed this morning (it was a Fark link) in a wreck involving a semi full of orange juice. He's a driver (I'm guessing) but was not the driver. No, he was asleep in the sleeper cab. Unbelted, unprotected by his safety equipment, and rattling around loose in there like a bucky ball in a child's stomach. I'd call that stupid.

      Two kids were killed (the driver lived) over the Memorial Day weekend. They weren't belted and the teenaged driver was drunk and speeding. I'd call that stupid. I'd call riding with someone in a car that's driving recklessly stupid too. So, I'm including passengers in my list - they're culpable too.

      Occam's Razor and all that...

      But, you do bring some interesting points to mind, as I stated, so you may well be correct. Your experiences don't match mine so mine could well be confirmation bias on my part as I've driven a great deal and see a lot of stupid people on the road or, sometimes, off the road. I had a motorcyclist pass me on a curve (I don't drive slow or anything, just safely) and die a few miles down the road when he managed to squish himself and his bike up under a guardrail. I'd count that as stupid...

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    42. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Oh, my stupidity behind the wheel was gleefully skidding sideways around corners during a decent snow storm. It was a rear-wheel drive vehicle, way overpowered, and I was turning the car sideways and "drifting" (we didn't call it that then) around the corners at fairly high rates of speed. I crashed. It was stupid. Nobody was really hurt but I learned a lesson. I was also "buzzed" at the time, which, if I had to guess would have put me around the .08 - .10 BAC mark. Which was, also, stupid. Just very very stupid...

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    43. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell wants to walk 2 miles from the nearest stop to their destination?

      Ride a bike, geez. Or take a bus - can't be more than half a mile to a bus stop if it is done intelligently.

    44. Re:He has a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I think Google's self-driving car solution is the best thing we have going now - it'll work with existing cars and road infrastructure, can be phased in slowly (initially needs someone in control, then no-one in control, and eventually in the best case - all vehicles are automated) and small incremental changes will only help to improve the system - eg. "smart" signs, better digitised maps, etc.

      In the apartment building I live in now approximately every apartment has a car - we could easily go from 12 cars to 4 and carpool, and most of the time it would be OK. By "registering" for use of a car, it also prevents abuse as if someone makes a mess of the car they can be identified, fined, and have access revoked.

    45. Re:He has a point by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      By "registering" for use of a car, it also prevents abuse as if someone makes a mess of the car they can be identified, fined, and have access revoked.

      The same thing can be done with PRT, the same way.

      The problem with Google's self-driving car is that it does absolutely nothing for reducing energy usage, and doesn't do much if anything to improve transit speeds. It still requires the same ultra-inefficient 4000-lb cars guzzing gas (or using tons of electricity, if they move to electric cars; the energy needed to move 2-ton vehicles on high-friction rubber tires in stop-and-go traffic is far higher than for 800-lb ultra-aerodynamic pods moving nonstop on a maglev track). And people will still be stuck in stop-and-go traffic.

    46. Re:He has a point by inline_four · · Score: 1

      Your own example of an easy life notwithstanding, when I look around, I see people living in the streets, people who don't know how they'll ever get out of debt, people without access to education, people without access to healthcare. There are kids today going to middleschools around this country who can't read. Not to be harsh, but your point that "we've won" shows that there are many among us who don't know what's going on and don't want to know because it's just too depressing. I'm not saying we should all dedicate every waking hour and every last bit of strength to selfless servitude, but please don't pretend that you understand the hardships of others from behind a lawnmower.

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    47. Re:He has a point by pla · · Score: 1

      There are kids today going to middleschools around this country who can't read.

      There are kids today going to school. For free. And whether or not they meet the acadamic standards we expect from them - FWIW, "can't read at grade level" doesn't mean the same thing as "can't read" - We have very close to a zero illiteracy rate among legal citizens in the US, a quality unprecedented in human history and only even matched by a handful of countries today.


      please don't pretend that you understand the hardships of others from behind a lawnmower.

      I see you missed that at self-debasing humor, despite the winking smiley. Yes, I have it easy. I know that - Pretty much my entire point. We all have it easy. Even the homeless guy living beneath the overpass (an overpass! The luxury, he has a roof over his head covering a few thousand square feet!), thanks to our society of consume-and-dispose, has no shortage of goods and even money - Not only can he afford to eat, but drug overdose counts as the leading cause of death among the homeless! You bought any illegal drugs lately? They ain't cheap.


      I don't claim everyone has it as easy as a white middle class DINK living in the burbs. Not everyone can afford a house and a family and more toys than they can keep out of storage at a time. But getting the necessities to stay alive has never come any easier.

    48. Re:He has a point by inline_four · · Score: 1

      There are kids today going to middleschools around this country who can't read. There are kids today going to school. For free. And whether or not they meet the acadamic standards we expect from them - FWIW, "can't read at grade level" doesn't mean the same thing as "can't read" - We have very close to a zero illiteracy rate among legal citizens in the US, a quality unprecedented in human history and only even matched by a handful of countries today.

      I suppose a lot depends on your definition of illiteracy. When I said "can't read", I meant "can't read". As in, cannot make sense of a paragraph of text and the school system is not going to help them. I know this because I work in the education industry and my wife is a teacher herself. We're not talking about "doesn't meet grade standard". We're talking about generations of kids leaving each successive grade further away from being able to succeed, nay function, in society and the schools still pouring all resources into additional assessing of kids without additional teaching. Was this your experience in school? It wasn't mine. Because I was fortunate enough to have been shielded from those schools by adults in my life who put me on a different path and made sure I stayed there. We're not talking about better schools and worse schools. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of forgotten kids without a future. If you want to compare that with the Middle Ages and say that our job is done, I call BS. People are suffering, so our job is not done. And what used to exist even less than a century ago, was a network of personal training through apprenticeships that all but guaranteed some decent living standard. This does not exist anymore.

      please don't pretend that you understand the hardships of others from behind a lawnmower. I see you missed that at self-debasing humor, despite the winking smiley. Yes, I have it easy. I know that - Pretty much my entire point. We all have it easy. Even the homeless guy living beneath the overpass (an overpass! The luxury, he has a roof over his head covering a few thousand square feet!), thanks to our society of consume-and-dispose, has no shortage of goods and even money - Not only can he afford to eat, but drug overdose counts as the leading cause of death among the homeless! You bought any illegal drugs lately? They ain't cheap.

      No, we don't all have it easy. Some of us do. You're speculating about the rest despite your smiley. Ever worked a minimum wage job for 60 hours a week outdoors without additional prospects? Ever got sick and couldn't do anything about it? Ever live with constant fear of the next day?

      I don't claim everyone has it as easy as a white middle class DINK living in the burbs. Not everyone can afford a house and a family and more toys than they can keep out of storage at a time. But getting the necessities to stay alive has never come any easier.

      Is that the bar you'd like to set for ourselves as a society? That we barely keep our destitute breathing?

      --
      Alexey
    49. Re:He has a point by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. It sounds a lot like roads except far more expensive, harder to build out, and far more limiting in where you can go.
      I'm just not seeing the killer feature yet that would convince me it'd be wise to transition from cars to that.

    50. Re:He has a point by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I didn't claim it was wise nor advocate for it. I was simply telling them what the person was referring to above. However, the tracks are supposed to be suspended from telephone poles. (I don't know if they could actually handle that load but that is the claim.) So, anywhere that there are telephone poles you can go in one of these cars. Other solutions leave the last-mile issue unresolved and have tracks in more centralized locations with parking for vehicles that transport you to the railed system.

      It's not a great idea but is isn't a bad one either. It has its flaws though it has its advocates as well. The proposal is actually pretty old, I recall seeing it back in a 1970s Popular Mechanic. I doubt that was the first proposal either as I seem to recall it in some pulp sci-fi from the late 50s and early 60s.

      Anyhow, that is what, I believe, they're referencing. They're just individual pods suspended from rails on telephone poles. They're powered by electricity usually. The ubiquity of telephone poles makes them a "perfect" idea. Again, I am not a proponent, I'm more an agnostic who's been observing the proponents for a while now. I don't think they'll get very far with the idea in my lifetime however.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    51. Re:He has a point by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Even the homeless and destitute in the US enjoy a standard of living far above that of the average human even a century ago.

      Reality check: Try being homeless for 3 months and tell me that they have a standard of living higher, or even equal to, that of a person from the early 1900s.

      The average person from the 1900s had somewhere they could rest their head at night. The average person from 1900s knew where their next meal was coming from (excluding the 1930s depression era). The average person from the 1900s could go see a doctor at will. The average person from the 1900s had a family that cared about them.

      I could go on and on what the average person from the 1900s had that a current homeless person does not have access to. Step out of your comfortable world and take a look around. Being homeless in America is a cold miserable hell of constant police harassment, lack of medical care, constant hunger, with not a single person giving one flying fuck about you except wishing that you would just lay down and die.

      I know I know. You will say that electricity and medical advances have improved life far beyond the best that was achievable a hundred years ago... except homeless people DO NOT HAVE ACCESS to ANY of that. You have to have a home or apartment to take advantage of electricity and you have to have money to have access to medical care. Street lighting is the only free access to electricity that a homeless person has. Cold comfort indeed.

      Too easy indeed. Meh.

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
  12. The USA is a consumer society by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the USA, it is all about credit (the ability to go into debt for the purpose of buying things) and what you have bought. When we see each other, we assess largely on what they are wearing, driving or have in their possession. Additionally, every time we hear about rich people in trouble or otherwise doing something stupid, we instictively react with "I thought they were [better than us]!!" It's not the presumption that they are just like anyone else and often times dumber, it's the opposite because we pedestrians have been taught to succeed we must be smart or skilled and to work hard. Interestingly, those are the characteristics which keep those "valuable human capital assets" in the trenches where they belong.

    All the money circulates around consumerism. That is where the money is. That is what people study to join in to get a share of.

    Yes, this is NOT a sustainable model. This is why we are in trouble now.

    1. Re:The USA is a consumer society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have come to value our role as consumer above that of citizen. In turn we have come to assign wealth with moral superiority.

    2. Re:The USA is a consumer society by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      It was a sustainable model, but some groups have been trying to socialize it.

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    3. Re:The USA is a consumer society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socializing problems just turns perceived problems into real problems.

  13. Misdiagnosis by gallondr00nk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The author seems quite intent on blaming individuals for what is a structural malaise.

    There's money in the kinds of fields the author talks about, and it seems a bit harsh to criticize people for trying to make a living. Agreed, Angry Birds isn't pushing the boundaries of human evolution towards a fairer, more peaceful world, but this isn't the 50's - the teet of government research is drying up through constant cuts and marginalisation. Academia and the public sector doesn't seem to have the clout it used to, and as a result long term humanitarian projects are dying off. The death of the public sector is the real reason we've never gone back to the moon. That's neoliberalism for you.

    As for the "underclass" (a word I despise), I've been wondering recently whether we're witnessing the technological trend futurists warned us about; persistently lowering labour requirements. Figures certainly seem to point that way.

    Outside of tech and Wall Street, making a living is quickly becoming harder and harder. There simply isn't the amount of work there was forty years ago. We're looking at genuine human tragedy if the situation is not resolved.

    I feel the only cure is a guaranteed minimum income. Let us solve all these problems at once, forever.

    1. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A program like this would be a target from day one, there is no forever in US politics.

    2. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, the public sector has in deed died. If by died, you mean grown to several times its size at any other time in history. Just Google "federal budget" or something similar for pretty much any western country (excluding New Zealand and perhaps one or two others).

      You are right in that we're seeing a structural failure. The name Solyndra comes to mind. That was the government actively wasting money on a dream, rather than solving a real problem. In addition to that, most startups fail. Angry Bird might have made money but the game industry in general is just about the worst place you can put your money. So when a young founder starts another trendy game company they aren't actually doing it for the money, unless they simply don't know where the money is.

      Last off... How exactly is going back to the moon going to help strugling people here on earth? Poor people were starving in the states while Kennedy taxed them to put a bunch of people on a barren piece of rock. It's exactly the sort of grand sounding schemes which Nnaemeka writes about.

    3. Re:Misdiagnosis by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Benefit? By whose definition, yours?

      I have a better idea. Leave people alone, and they will (a) figure out what other people want, and (b) make it, and (c) make money.

      The funny thing is, (c) wouldn't be a problem with the elite nearly so much if it weren't for the fact that (a) was done without the elites' guidance.

    4. Re:Misdiagnosis by inkcogito · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Misdiagnosis by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Even the high-tech teat will dry up. What happens when most new tech tools and toys that typical people find worth paying for are already last year's news? What happens when a million programmers are all the world needs, and all the goods anybody can afford can be produced by 500 million of the world's 10 billion people? Do you think the other 9.8 billion can be employed providing services to those 5% of people?

    6. Re:Misdiagnosis by roman_mir · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I feel the only cure is a guaranteed minimum income.

      - provided by??? You already have that, you have tens of millions of people on food stamps (snap), you have tens of millions of people not working ever, whether welfare or disability (real or imagined) or the never ending 'employment insurance', etc.

      What is it that you want more of, you want people to be born and raised into perpetually doing nothing at all with themselves?

      You already have that, many people end up killing themselves because of this nothingness.

      It's not true at all that there is this 'limited' amount of work out there, there are literally BILLIONS of people on this planet whose needs are NOT SATISFIED in more ways than one. How come you don't want your fellow citizens to work towards satisfying those needs in the free market and would rather see all those potential resources being wasted just because your ideology makes you feel good (because you are obviously not going to be the one being directly forced to subsidise this worthless crowd, and it's worthless if it does nothing of any use to other people).

    7. Re:Misdiagnosis by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I feel the only cure is a guaranteed minimum income. Let us solve all these problems at once, forever.

      Wasn't a society like this depicted in "Judge Dredd" (or rather the newer "Dredd" movie)? 98+% unemployment, everyone living in gigantic public housing buildings, crime rates out of control with ultraviolent gangs controlling things, etc.

    8. Re:Misdiagnosis by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Western Europe is already a society like this, and the crime rates seem to be well in hand. And before anyone starts talking about Greece or Spain, the Scandinavian countries are more socialised than almost anywhere and are doing just fine.

    9. Re:Misdiagnosis by siride · · Score: 1

      I, too, believe in magic.

    10. Re:Misdiagnosis by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well she is (or was) part of the structure.

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      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    11. Re:Misdiagnosis by siride · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solyndra was one failure out of many many successes or break-evens. That's the market. The government didn't actively waste money on one bad idea, they've provided funded a whole range of companies, with the expectation (apparently lacking in conservative circles) that some would succeed and some would fail. They aren't picking winners and losers, they are picking a good area of the market that needs some help, and it's gotten some good help. Look at Tesla. It's going to be paying off its government loans early. And all of these companies have gotten considerably more in outside funding than from the government. The market thinks they are a good idea too, and the market probably understands that not all good ideas pan out for a variety of reasons.

      The federal budget is huge for three reasons: medicare/medicaid, social security and defense. You take out those three and you have a vastly smaller federal budget, which has been shrinking and shrinking over the years as we keep cutting those "wasteful" federal programs (by which I mean the ones that actually do useful stuff as opposed to providing a stopgap against a mismanaged healthcare system or lining the pockets of defense contractors). More importantly, though, is that the right has successfully convinced the public that academia and the public sector cannot be a source of good in society, and so there is now a concerted effort to destroy the ability for the government to do one of the few things government is actually good at (NSF funding provides great bang for buck over the long term), leaving R&D up to the fickle and short-sighted market. That's not to say the market is bad, but rather that there's a valid role for the public sector to play by virtue of its being outside of the market and disconnected from the short-term fluctuations and the need to make money NOW that the market requires. Also, the idea that we can contribute to a *res public* which will be a common effort to effect positive outcomes for society as a whole as part of the common good is dying a swift death. Government is evil, government is bad, working together (if there isn't a price tag or contract involved) is bad.

    12. Re:Misdiagnosis by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're a progressive, collectivist, or any other brand of statist, you surely do.

      What astonishes me the most about statists is the amount of lip service they pay to democracy while at the same time having such dismal views of the poor schmucks they "guide". Everything they do is under the base assumption that people are too damn dumb and ignorant to run their own lives, yet they profess belief in these same dumb dimwitted schmucks voting to elect their elite betters.

      If you are one of those elites, or at least think you are, I wonder how much history you actually know, how many times the elites have stomped all over private initiatives as intruding on the government's prerogative, and then used the lack of private initiative as an excuse for a vastly more muddled government reduplication which stifles all individual choice in the matter, and locks in the poor choice made without any hope of flexibility as conditions change.

      How any rational person can know of these things and think it all just fine, like a cat with a dung covered bottom, is beyond me.

    13. Re:Misdiagnosis by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And the small, relatively monolithic, stable social democracies are, unfortunately, not a very practical role model for the Rest of the World. Maybe in a couple of hundred years, if we make it that long.

      Look, the big problem globally is that there are to many of us for the planet to handle it gracefully for any length of time. But the planet will indeed handle it. Most of "us" won't like that, but then again, the Universe doesn't give a shit.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    14. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 0
      the only cure is a guaranteed minimum income

      Nope. The only cure is a national minimum level of intelligence - which obviously has to be a lot higher than yours!

      Hint: The problem isnt lack of work - it is lack of other things which are not available in unlimited quantities.

      If you guarantee a minimum income, anything not available in limitless quantities will rise in price until people on the minimum income can't afford it. This has been efficiently demonstrated by house prices in the UK (where there effectively is a guaranteed minimum income). If you were not taught this in school, maybe you should have been using the internet instead of going to class.

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      Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
    15. Re:Misdiagnosis by FeatureSpace · · Score: 1

      Disagree on many points:

      Guaranteed minimum income is a socialistic recipe for disaster. Take away all financial incentive to providing value or solving valuable problems and people will just sit on their asses, eat and watch porn all day long.

      The "structural malaise" is caused by years of poor education in the US, which leads to poor motivation, depression, bad choices, etc. Why do you think US employers push so hard for H1B visas? I receive a couple resumes a day for positions at my employer, a major tech company. The average skill set, experience and motivation in "tech" workers is abysmal today. People padding their resumes right and left with skills they were only briefly exposed to and didn't actually learn or use. Resumes and interviewees that naively don't convey the value they bring to an employer. My favorite interview questions are "as an engineer... what problems in the world have you thought about solving?" or "do you have any software engineering hobbies?". Yet I get so many blank stares in response to those questions. It can be scary when we actually draw an algorithm problem on a white board and merely ask them to try and think of a solution.

      I work in government research. Its not drying up. Its expanding by leaps and bounds. Sequestration has been a good thing. Its encouraged Govt agencies and contractors to trim their fat. Large prime contractors with high rates have lost their contracts and their top talent to contractors with lower rates. Its survival of the fittest / adaptation towards a better future.

      There is no human tragedy coming. The employment landscape is changing. We rode high and affluent in the last 20 years on the backs of low interest rates and trillions of investment dollars combined with dirt cheap labor in Asia resulting in unusually high growth and economic expansion. Money and jobs were everywhere. This is the correction to more normal times. Biggest examples are people driving smaller and more efficient cars and manufacturing moving back to the USA now that China's workforce is smarter and can't be exploited like it once did. Did you hear about Motorola hiring 2000 workers in Texas to manufacture the first ever US-built smartphone?

      The sooner people forget about the last 20 years and adapt to the current world the better everything will be.

    16. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing about economics is nearly as simple as that. And there are things that we have in quantities which are well beyond the total population's ability to consume, yet still not efficiently distributed.

    17. Re:Misdiagnosis by siride · · Score: 1

      I, too, enjoy arguing with strawmen.

    18. Re:Misdiagnosis by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      And the small, relatively monolithic, stable social democracies are, unfortunately, not a very practical role model for the Rest of the World. Maybe in a couple of hundred years, if we make it that long.

      Why? Other than Norway with its massive oil reserves (the proceeds from which it invests incidentally, rather than pumping them back into the local economy), what's so special about these countries?

      Look, the big problem globally is that there are to many of us for the planet to handle it gracefully for any length of time. But the planet will indeed handle it. Most of "us" won't like that, but then again, the Universe doesn't give a shit.

      Again, why? We have more than enough food, energy is literally falling from the sky, fresh water ceases to become a problem even for areas massively overrepresented visibility-wise like California for that reason, we will see the end of fossil fuel powered vehicles within our lifetimes, all in all the future looks rosy. I forget the exact number but the entire energy requirements of the EU could be supplied by covering a single digit percentage of the unoccupied areas of the Sahara in somewhat dated PV cells. No, that's not a recommended course of action, among other things solar towers are more efficient, it just underlines how much energy there is all aorund us.

      All of the problems, every last one, are political, not physical.

    19. Re:Misdiagnosis by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      The point you're missing is we hit your state of being over 100 years ago. Filling the worlds needs is not that difficult. Filling in the gaps by filling the worlds wants is what consumerism is. It's the totalitarian regimes that keep the needs unfulfilled in locations where they are unfulfilled.

      --
      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    20. Re:Misdiagnosis by umghhh · · Score: 1
      GMI (Guaranteed Minimum Income) has never worked. Communists tried and failed. Maybe technology can help but I think such systems fail on some basic points: there is always a significant minority that disagree with such policies and would fight them with violence if need be (because it is not right or because it is a commie idea etc. does not matter that much). Assuming you could convince those people and indeed introduce such a system, there are some economic factors that may undermine such society as globalization make costs comparison easy and an economy where such policy is in place must raise taxes to cover those that do not work but still need the food and other goodies. Assuming again you manage to overcome this problem how about motivation of the actual working people to support the rest? So we can shorten the working week maybe so that more people can get employed? I suppose similar experiments are currently running in countries like Saudi A. where population has outgrew the work market - government can spend money and in fact it does to create jobs. The problem is motivation of prospective employees, those lucky ones that actually have a job - they did not have motivation to learn stuff (why would they) and now they have no motivation to work. This is not a nice picture. You will of course find people that are motivated but if I can just rest and get a minimum wage why should I pick up job of say garbage collector? I mean somebody has to do that still or? Or some other interesting job like this.

      Bottom line - I have thought as you did that future is in this money from gov but I think this is not working.

    21. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take away all financial incentive to providing value or solving valuable problems and people will just sit on their asses

      That is a risk, but it could be managed by tying the guaranteed minimum income to the GDP.

      Finland is currently seriously considering guaranteed minimum income in the form of citizen subsidy. You a citizen? Well, then, here's a monthly €620.00 on your bank account. The majority of Finns from all political affiliations support the idea. The benefits include:

      Not forcing the downtrodden to jump through demeaning, bureaucratic hoops to get the subsidies they are legally entitled to. Let's face it: not everybody is employable in today's economy.

      Not having to keep a virtual army of government workers to manage the bureaucracy and try to catch the cheats.

      Families with small children, even with single parents, are financially secured as every child is covered by the citizen subsidy.

      Every bit of work is worth doing because extra pay doesn't reduce your government subsidies.

      Minimum wages can be removed. Employers are not required to give advance notice (~ severance). Thus employers would be less cautious in hiring. On the other hand, employees have more leverage against abuses because they are never desperate to keep their jobs.

      It follows that the strong labor unions are against the citizen subsidy because it would make them redundant.

      So everything seems to speak in favor of citizen subsidy. I'm afraid, though, it won't happen. The reason is Finland is an EU member, and no subsidies are allowed to be defined in terms of citizenship. Finland would have to let in millions of poor people from other EU member states and pay each of them a sum that to them might seem generous.

    22. Re:Misdiagnosis by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      The point you're missing is we hit your state of being over 100 years ago. Filling the worlds needs is not that difficult. Filling in the gaps by filling the worlds wants is what consumerism is. It's the totalitarian regimes that keep the needs unfulfilled in locations where they are unfulfilled.

      No, I'm not missing that point. I just didn't state it as clearly as I could have. What happens when 1 million programmers are sufficient to the DEMANDS of the world economy? Yes, we are employing more programmers over time now, but the problems they are working on will be in diminishing economic importance over time. Eventually, the number of jobs available in programming will decrease because there will already be working software for every profitable task. How far off that time is (10 years? 20 years? 50 years?) is anybody's guess.

    23. Re:Misdiagnosis by impos · · Score: 2
      From the link in parent post:

      Inequality has increased in Sweden in recent years and the nation has dropped from first in 1995 to 10th place in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s member ranking of income distribution. Relative poverty, as measured by the share of people with less than half the national median income, more than doubled to 9.1 percent in 2010 from 3.7 percent in 1995, according to an OECD study released this month.

      Suppose that could be the problem?

    24. Re:Misdiagnosis by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      I would support a guaranteed minimum income for the same reason I support the existence of public education, even though I home school my children. Like homeschooling, capitalism offers the opportunity to make things far better, or far worse. It simply puts more power in the hands of the individual, so you move outside of the bell curve.

      Public school offers a floor that the bad side of the education bell curve has a hard time moving past. A determined parent can homeschool their kids and get them a worse education that what the child would get in public school, but it requires a determined parent that also has their child's worst interest at heart. (Yes, these people do exist) On the other hand, parents that are apathetic towards their child's education will virtually always just send their kids to public school where the state will give them at least the kind of education that the state offers. Not what I would call great, but good enough that the child can exist in society.

      In the same way, a minimum income would offer a floor to how poor the poor can be. It wouldn't prevent anyone from amassing wealth (which is really a different argument all together), but it would keep people from having to live on the streets. It would also weed out the mentally ill homeless from those who have fallen on bad luck as well as from those who are just lazy.

      That just addresses the problems of today. Even more important is to recognize that we are on the cusp of simply not needing most people to work. When we can produce what we need, and don't need people to do it, we need an economic system that recognizes this. We need a system that works in that reality.

    25. Re:Misdiagnosis by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I feel the only cure is a guaranteed minimum income. Let us solve all these problems at once, forever.

      Wasn't a society like this depicted in "Judge Dredd" (or rather the newer "Dredd" movie)? 98+% unemployment, everyone living in gigantic public housing buildings, crime rates out of control with ultraviolent gangs controlling things, etc.

      Because I know when I want insightful commentary into the future, I look to a Sylvester Stallone movie based on a comic book.

      Now look, I don't want to belittle comic books here (too late I guess) since I enjoy and own them, which reminds me I bet there's more phone books out since the last time I hit a comic shop. But there's lots of possible futures involving a COLA and not all of them are dystopian. Educated people make less people, let's fucking educate people about fucking so they can utilize their organs responsibly and half the damn problems will evaporate. And a more-educated populace just might solve some other problems, too. Now, how can we do this in spite of the best efforts of our various governments?

      Obviously education isn't everything, Russia proves that. But it's got to be part of the solution.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    26. Re:Misdiagnosis by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I am one of those people that would be directly forced to subsidize this "worthless" crowd. I would happily do so out of self interest. If there was a minimum income, we would not necessarily spend any more on the poor than we currently do, but I wouldn't have to deal with bums begging for money at gas stations and in front of grocery stores. It is the same reason I want their to be government funded mental health institutions. Leaving crazy people to wander the streets as the homeless isn't just bad for them. It is bad form me. It is bad for you.

    27. Re:Misdiagnosis by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Solyndra was one failure out of many many successes or break-evens. That's the market. The government didn't actively waste money on one bad idea

      There is some evidence of collusion, and that this is precisely what happened in the case of Solyndra. Even if true, that still doesn't invalidate the concept of government technology loans. It simply underscores the need for additional oversight on behalf of The People.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    28. Re:Misdiagnosis by siride · · Score: 1

      I'm happy to support additional oversight. We must also recognize that sometimes things will go wrong. If we learn from those mistakes and do better next time, I think we should be happy.

    29. Re:Misdiagnosis by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      No, wrong. Here is what WILL happen (and I am starting to get signals that the bottom is dropping out even as we speak), there will be a massive interest rates spike, this will completely disrupt all government spending, because yields will have to rise sharply to correspond to sharply falling bond prices. You are NOT financing that worthless crowd, at least not the way you think you are. It's not about your tax rate, whatever it is, it's about the debt, the borrowing that was done to pay for SS and Medicare and wars, etc. This borrowing caused massive increase in debt and this debt has been financed for 15 years or so with artificially low short term rates.

      At these rates, the current debt 'only' costs about 300 Billion a year to USA Treasury. However I expect the interest rates to spike up sharply and then the bond and the stock markets (and housing, and education) to take a dive, however I expect MASSIVE infusion of ever more fake cash into the system by the Fed, which will happen even if not right away (they'll get confused and scared and stop for a moment, but then the political pressure will increase massively and they will restart with ever more vengeance).

      Basically I am expecting (in a short time period from now) a massive interest rate spike and then collapse in government spending.

      You will not be subsidising anybody, you'll be hard pressed to buy food and energy for your own consumption. This party is coming to a completely predictable conclusion and people will HAVE to find something useful to do with themselves, something productive, or they will be starving for real this time.

    30. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a strawman, you idiot. He's simply talking about stuff you're not comfortable talking about. Grow up.

    31. Re:Misdiagnosis by cusco · · Score: 2

      Really? Solar energy can create 1) plastics, 2) fertilizers, 3) pesticides, 4) fuel for ships and trains, 5) medicines, etc. There isn't a replacement for cheap petroleum, and because of the way that fractional distillation works not using it for transportation or energy doesn't automatically mean that there is more available for creating fertilizer. If that's produced from a different fraction of the crude distillate (I believe it is) then you're only going to get x-many tons of fertilizer out of x-many barrels of petroleum whether you're selling gasoline to Escalade owners or not.

      Energy is not the only bottleneck, just the most visible. Around a sixth of the world's population lives for under $1/day. Trying to bring them up to the standard of living that is associated with reducing their birth rate is impossible. Not difficult, impossible. There isn't enough farmland to grow the cotton and wool to give them all sheets, mattresses, curtains, blankets, and half a dozen changes of clothing, for example.

      We're like rabbits on an island that is overrunning their environment's carrying capacity. No other large (>20 kilos) mammal has ever had the population numbers that humans have today. The worldwide population of wildebeest or caribou is smaller than the human population of Shanghai. We have to reduce our population or Ma Nature is going to do it for us, and she's a bitch.

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    32. Re:Misdiagnosis by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 0

      Really? Solar energy can create 1) plastics, 2) fertilizers, 3) pesticides, 4) fuel for ships and trains, 5) medicines, etc. There isn't a replacement for cheap petroleum,

      Yes there is. Read: http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.ie/2007/11/314-peak-oil-and-fertilizer-no-problem.html

      Before the 'but that's only fertiliser' comeback kicks in, I want you to close your eyes and try to extrapolate.

      Energy is not the only bottleneck, just the most visible. Around a sixth of the world's population lives for under $1/day. Trying to bring them up to the standard of living that is associated with reducing their birth rate is impossible. Not difficult, impossible. There isn't enough farmland to grow the cotton and wool to give them all sheets, mattresses, curtains, blankets, and half a dozen changes of clothing, for example.

      Bullshit. Entertaining that you've focused on clothing since everything else was preemptively dealt with though.

      We're like rabbits on an island that is overrunning their environment's carrying capacity. No other large (>20 kilos) mammal has ever had the population numbers that humans have today.

      Like everything else you're coming out with, you have no evidence to support this. Not to mention that it's irrelevant anyway since we have the advantage of using our brains rather than having to browse off the savannah.

      The worldwide population of wildebeest or caribou is smaller than the human population of Shanghai. We have to reduce our population or Ma Nature is going to do it for us, and she's a bitch.

      You are a moron, and I don't mean that in a kindly joking manner, malthusians are generally in the lower 30%, and I'm not talking about earnings.

      Possibly you imagine this will be the start of a long exchange of posts whereby you walk away if not triumphant then at least with enough wear and tear on your keyboard to feel as though you've represented whatever backward political viewpoint fills your afternoons successfully, and hey maybe someone will be suckered in making it all worthwhile. But in reality almost everyone has better things to do than read such an exchange, and I know I certainly have more important things to do than waste my time indulging in it. So let me know when the first major die offs occur due to resource depletion, and I will merrily eat my hat.

      Have yourself a good day now.

    33. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Wasn't a society like this depicted in "Judge Dredd""

      You may not know this, but referencing a dumb fucking movie of a fucking comic book does not equal an cogent economic/political argument.

    34. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rather than Judge sodding Dredd, how about looking at some countries that *already do* have a guaranteed minimum income?

    35. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, that's why the elites had perfectly serviceable domiciles bulldozed right after the "real estate collapse".

      Really, you can't seriously say there's a shortage of such things if there are corrupt groups destroying them in order to enforce an artificial shortage.

      Grow up.

    36. Re:Misdiagnosis by cusco · · Score: 1

      You're right, it's natural gas, not petroleum, used to make fertilizer. My bad. I suppose that's sufficient to invalidate everything else, for ever and ever, amen.

      So what population level do YOU think is supportable? Clothing was just an example, perhaps you missed the "for example" in the sentence you quoted.

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    37. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you guarantee a minimum income, anything not available in limitless quantities will rise in price until people on the minimum income can't afford it.

      Sure, but that's only a problem to the extent that basic needs are not met by those things which are available in functionally limitless quantities. Endless consumption is a self-limiting behavior; it's (logically) possible to produce enough food to feed everyone on the planet past the point of satiety. We can argue what counts as a basic need, and whether those items are indeed inexhaustible – but in a world where we have a well-defined set of needs and they happen to have lost all practical scarcity, what is that besides a basic income by another name?

      How far are we actually from guaranteeing a minimum level of housing, food, clothing, sanitation, etc. to every person in, say, the US? In the world? I'm not sure, but it would be great if answering that question was valued more highly in our society than building Facebook.

    38. Re:Misdiagnosis by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Different types of oil produce different quantities of each distillate, but those quantities are fixed per barrel. The gasoline will still come out in the same quantity, and aside from developing a process to modify the molecular structure of each distillate in an economically feasible way that's not going to change.

    39. Re:Misdiagnosis by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's just a stopgap and it's starting to fail. That's why the Dow is booming but people still can't find work.

    40. Re:Misdiagnosis by sjames · · Score: 1

      So, you firmly believe that the bedrock of market theory is a bunch of hooey? Or do you just believe thet the theoretical healthy market lives with the unicorns?

    41. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everybody is cut out to be an entrepreneur. We are not all equal in those regards. Maybe 25% of people will do this and I am being extremely generous.

      Most people will not be able to figure out what to do and will suffer and drag down society. A good 25% of those people will become criminals in the absence of unskilled labor and work to greatly hurt others in society.

      Free market capitalism has a fatal flaw in that it has an entirely too optimistic view on the capabilities of the common man. The uncommon man is an entrepreneur, the common man needs to be ruled and coddled at the same time. Most people need tremendous guidance, a lot of help, and a firm punishment when they cross the line.

    42. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think these things and believe them to be true but I do not think it is "fine" as you put it. It just simply is.

      It is humanities nature for the majority of us to be ruled over by masters. This same societal trend has existed for tens of thousands of years of human civilization. This isn't some coincidence.

      The subset of people that struggle to rise above and not be ruled are just that, a small subset but in no way a reflection on the true capabilities of a large swath of humanity. It is depressing that for a stable society this group must be persecuted but they tend to make society unstable. Today in the United States this group is making society unstable by threatening the stability of those people that do not have the ability to take care of themselves or rise above.

    43. Re:Misdiagnosis by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      The exact same thing was said 100 years ago, what happens when it doesn't take 50% of the population to produce food? now it's less than 3% required to provide enough food for everyone. The other 97% have to figure something else out. Programming isn't even a survival required skill. the world could already survive with 0 programmers. As we need less programmers we'll need more of something else. Same thing happend with mechanics in the 50-60s.

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    44. Re:Misdiagnosis by athenaprime · · Score: 1

      Guaranteed minimum income is a socialistic recipe for disaster. Take away all financial incentive to providing value or solving valuable problems and people will just sit on their asses, eat and watch porn all day long.

      I have never understood why people believe the above is true for "poor" people (or really, people who are in the subcategory of "other" than the speaker). Most of us who grew up in classes outside of the most abject of poverty have had plenty of times in our lives where we experienced little to no financial incentive to work...have still wanted to do so. I believe I'm a Special Snowflake, but my desire to have a career and keep doing what I do outside of the financial incentive is not the thing that makes me special.

    45. Re:Misdiagnosis by gonzonista · · Score: 1

      Education of women and urbanization are two major drags on population growth. These two factors might be enough to avoid catastrophe but it is going to be a close call.

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    46. Re:Misdiagnosis by ultranova · · Score: 1

      The exact same thing was said 100 years ago, what happens when it doesn't take 50% of the population to produce food?

      Communist revolutions, fascism, two world wars, multiple genocides, tyranny, cold war and very nearly nuclear armageddon.

      We'll see what interesting things we'll get this time around.

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    47. Re:Misdiagnosis by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Educated people make less people, let's fucking educate people about fucking so they can utilize their organs responsibly and half the damn problems will evaporate.

      I don't think it works that way; it's not that simple. There's tons of educated people in Latin America, and they still breed like rabbits, because their religion tells them to. Hell, there's a woman in a hospital in El Salvador right now who's going to die because they won't give her an abortion to get rid of the brain-dead fetus that's killer her. You think all those doctors aren't educated, nor the politicians who wrote those dumb laws?

      But there's lots of possible futures involving a COLA and not all of them are dystopian.

      I can see a couple of possibilities. I assume by "COLA" you mean a "basic income" that others here talk of. I can see it working differently for different people: for some, it would free them up from having to struggle to stay employed, so they can pursue something better, such as starting a new small business; in today's world, the risk involved is too great because they can't afford to lose their current paycheck, or they'll starve if their business venture fails, but with a basic income they'd be free to take chances like that, which could turn into something great. However, on the flip side, there'd be a bunch of people who'd just sit at home and play video games and use meth all day and just cause a lot of problems. People in the former group would want to get the hell away from people in the latter group, so they'd work hard to make money so they could afford to move away from the meth-heads, leaving them in ghettos. Now, this demand for nicer housing free of meth-heads will drive up costs of good housing (sounding familiar?), so the productive class will have to work harder and make more money to afford this, making their basic income useless because the cost of good housing (away from the meth-heads) is much higher than what the basic income affords. So now the productive people won't want to ever risk losing their jobs, so even with a basic income, they're not going to bother taking any risks, because though they won't starve to death, if they fail, they'll have to go move to the ghetto with the meth-heads, which isn't much better than living under a bridge (worse actually, in some ways). So, in summary, it seems to me that the basic income might not really change anything.

    48. Re:Misdiagnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly is going back to the moon going to help strugling people here on earth?

      Oh I don't know, maybe by giving people some hope in the intrinsic ability of humans to actually acheive something that shows we can aspire to something other than shallow narcissistic self-aggrandisment. Fuck man, those guys actually did something which humanity will probably never forget. As for taxing the crap out of people to achieve it, NASAs entire budget for the Apollo program was the same cost as one year of the Vietnam war. Get some sense of proportion, will you? Perhaps the poor people being taxed to death would have been MUCH better off without the Vietnam war than the Apollo program, not to mention the ~60k USians or 1-3million Vietnamese who died in it.

    49. Re:Misdiagnosis by XcepticZP · · Score: 1

      Why give them a free ride? Why not give them government-enforced jobs where they can be productive in a controlled environment? Giving them a salary, and counselling to save that money for their eventual re-integration into society. Personally, I think we should let them be and have less government. But what boggles the mind, is that government could so easily throw money/will at a problem and fix it. Sadly, a lot of these problems are NOT being fixed and continue to perpetuate. There has to be something deeper to it.

      Think about it this way. If taxes and tax-breaks are sometimes used as insentives and disinsentives, then shouldn't free money (welfare) have the same effect of encouraging/discouraging certain behaviour? Think about it. Seems that government has a double-definition when it comes to incentives.

    50. Re:Misdiagnosis by XcepticZP · · Score: 1

      I think your theoretical ability to have coherent debate lives with the unicorns. You added 0 value to the conversation/discussion. Care to try again? Perhaps with a little more substance? An actual argument?

    51. Re:Misdiagnosis by sjames · · Score: 1

      According to theory, competition should drive the cost of goods down to just above the marginal cost of manufacture. How is that conmsistant with your theory that giving poor people money will cause a rise in prices sufficient to leave them back where they started?

      I wouldn't be surprised to see some increase in prices due to demand for resources, but the combined effect should still leave more people better off than they are now.

      To be fair, I *had* to resort to unicorns, your post was assertions, not arguments.

    52. Re:Misdiagnosis by XcepticZP · · Score: 1

      Except, I'm not the person you initially responded to. They're the ones that deserve the reasoned argument, not me :)

    53. Re:Misdiagnosis by sjames · · Score: 1

      I just assumed you were trolling and forgot which sock puppet you were wearing, but figured I'd apply a modicum of benefit of the doubt.

      And all they did was make assertions, not arguments.

    54. Re:Misdiagnosis by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      Why? Other than Norway with its massive oil reserves (the proceeds from which it invests incidentally, rather than pumping them back into the local economy), what's so special about these countries?

      Most European societies are small, homogeneous, relatively dense, and culturally similar. Sprawl mixed w/ population growth creates more problems than you're willing to acknowledge. On "village/town"-size populations, even _Communism_ works, but we've seen it fail time and time again on grander "large scales". Problems are far easier to solve when everyone is generally "on the same page". Look at the success story that is Germany. They have but 25% of the people the US has, and less than 4% of the land mass. Someone in Hamburg might give a shit about what's going on in Munich. But do you think a Californian gives a flying fuck what happens to a Virginian? Do you think they can even _relate_? I'm heard West Coast inhabitants refer to East Coast inhabitants as if they're from a different _planet_ (and vice versa). This is one of the many reasons we state's rights advocates rail against excessive federal legislation. The US is far too big and diverse for "One Way" to solve everyone's needs.

  14. "Heaving Underclass" is maintained by the State. by couchslug · · Score: 0

    We inherited a baseline underclass which was useful when manual labor was valuable. Now, most manual labor is not valuable yet deliberate policies ensure immigration (legal or otherwise) of people who are unskilled and compete with domestic unskilled people for the economic scraps remaining.

    The War on Some Drugs coerces people to immigrate to the US for safety, but they have few jobs and end up ghettoized, disenfranchised, and self-destructive.

    A variety of political calculation by both Parties ensures open borders and destroys what exclusivity (overloaded lifeboats SINK, the Industrial Revolution is OVER) might somewhat protect.

    Underclasses are a result of surplus people. Too few humans of the right age mix weakens an economy, too many for available jobs (which are rapidly being destroyed by technology) and there will not be work for them so the State must provide bread and circuses. Populations which practice birth control including abortion have high quality of life. Uneducated groups who breed what they can't care for (even if Uncle Sugar is paying for the food) have chosen a lower quality of life.

    When members of the underclass reject the old ways (consider the increasing number of Black women in higher education), they move up the ladder.

    The only "solution" is "every man for himself" and his politically active subgroup. As long as we are rich enough to feed the underclass, we'll have domestic peace. People revolt for lack of food, nothing else.

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  15. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 1

    I thought those were called "travel trailers", or "mobile homes"?

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  16. No real savings = no real businesses by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    It's about lack of real savings, it's about lack of investment, not abundance of 'dumb idea' chasers.

    If there was much more savings in the system then there would be much more diversity in what businesses can get capital, but as is there same few investors are getting chased by a huge number of potential 'facebooks' or 'tumblers', etc.

    So in reality what is happening is that smart people are choosing the most obvious path, they are simply chasing the very small amount of capital savings that exist and today the belief is that you need 'eyeballs' and that's it. Profits don't matter, as long as you can show revenues and eyeballs you can be the next billionaire.

    But you can't be a billionaire if there is no investor willing to put a sizable chunk of money aside for your business to run debts for 5-10 years. The risk of losing that money is enormous in the system that basically punishes real capitalism and promotes socialism or fascism, whatever you want to call this system of collectivism and lack of individual rights. It's the freedoms that are the missing ingredient. Lack of freedom, huge collective that took over all the powers, enormous amount of regulation and extreme taxes and inflation. This is killing any business opportunity, carefully examine what happened to every real business in America (and Europe as well) since at least 1971, when the gold was no longer money and the entire world switched to fiat paper overnight.

    The governments grew, so the spending grew, the taxes grew, the regulations grew, the number of various inspectors and regulators, the amount of legislation that businesses have to comply with, the new departments... all of this created enough barriers to businesses that they started looking for new ways to survive and they moved on to other, less regulated locations.

    The inflation, the artificial unreal interest rates destroyed incentives to save, the entire policy of the modern Keynesian state is: spend, spend, spend, borrow, borrow, borrow, spend, spend, spend, print, print print what you can't borrow to spend.

    There is NO PLACE there for: produce. Nothing about production, it's all about consumption, debt, spending and printing. There is nothing there that does NOT stand in the way of production.

    With that in mind reassess the story here, the story here is not about smart people doing dumb things, the story here is that there are no savings, there are no investments to try something different. So people only try what they saw work the last time and they are very averse trying anything that did not already make money hand over fist for SOMEBODY, never mind how many failures this type of economy has produced trying to do the same thing over and over.

    1. Re:No real savings = no real businesses by couchslug · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of capital "investments". Take the State I live in as an example. Continental Tire is spending more than half a billion dollars on a new tire plant, while Michelin and Bridgestone are expanding theirs. BMW exports SUVs to mainland China! Infrastructure investments are being made so the port of Charleston can handle greater traffic from these and other domestic businesses.

      The main barrier to marketing "new ideas" is that we have all the basics and most luxuries covered! There is almost nothing American consumers "need" that they don't already have.

      The main barrier to more employment is high productivity. You don't need meatsacks running manual production machinery when fewer meatsacks can produce vastly more product supporting machining centers and other automated production equipment.

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    2. Re:No real savings = no real businesses by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      You are giving examples of companies that HAVE savings, it's their money, that's not what I am talking about. The people who have savings because they already run successful businesses are more likely to expand their successful business model than invest in your weird long shot that nobody see succeed before.

      You are not giving any example to the contrary, you are proving my point: if there are savings there is investment. The people you are talking about have savings (whatever wasn't taken away from them by the socialist / fascist State).

      But there are no real savings in the system, the interest rates are artificially low, savings rate is probably at historic lows, people are paying historic high prices for things and government calls that "economic growth". It's not economic growth if the consumers have to spend more to buy fewer consumables this year than they paid for more consumables last year.

      There are no real savings in the banks, banks post record profits from the carry trade between the fake money given out by the Fed and the low yielding papers sold by the Treasury, this carry trade gives creates the bond market inflation and gives them enough revenue to pump inflation into the stock market as well, while the Fed is also pumping inflation into the housing market (and other gov't guaranteed loan markets, like education, health care, etc.).

      But there are no savings in the banks, there is no real money, nobody is saving when they have to pay more and more for the same goods this year that cost less last year.

      There are people that are able to live on a wider margin because of the Fed, that's why there are all these hedge funds buying up single family homes in USA, bidding up prices, hoping to rent them. So it's the same money that comes to Treasury market and to stock market, actually in USA the Bond, the Stock and the Housing markets are the same market, they have the same exact risk rating in reality! There is no difference.

      If somebody has real savings they can still expand their business, but why would they take a risk in this low savings environment to invest into new businesses, into your ideas?

    3. Re:No real savings = no real businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article talks about "American consumers" that are not getting "all their needs". Perhaps you are biased by your location/status?

  17. Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay! Another technocratic asshole to tell us what to do with our own productive effort.

  18. Duh! The main reason few are focused on helping by mark_reh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the less fortunate is that you can't make any money off of them. Guys like Bill Gates, with all the money in the world, can afford to focus on that portion of the human population because they don't have to make money off of them. The rest of us have to eat and feed our families and send our kids to school.

    1. Re:Duh! The main reason few are focused on helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, the less fortunate often don't have a facebook page, and if you don't have a facebook page, you're not a real person!

      (This comment paid for by Mike Zuckerberg)

  19. Bah by swillden · · Score: 1

    I have no patience with people who take it upon themselves to tell other people what they should be choosing to do with their lives and their businesses. If someone wants to write silly phone apps and there are enough people willing to shell out their own hard-earned money to buy them, then the existence of the customer base is enough justification for the existence of the apps. Apparently enough people find enough value in them to make them profitable. If not, well, then the "best and brightest" will go find something that more people do find valuable.

    This argument about the "underclass" is particularly silly, because a large percentage of the American "underclass" has smartphones and buys the apps! Essentially, this guy isn't just telling the "best and brightest" what they should be doing with their time, he's also telling the "underclass" what they shouldn't be doing with their money. That sort of condescension is elitism of the worst order, because it allows elitists to feel they aren't being elitist, but rather "serving" the underprivileged -- who are clearly too stupid to make their own decisions.

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    1. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure people are reading this article in the correct context. It reads to me like she wrote it for young 20 and 30 something bright entrepreneurs as an appeal to consider doing something more 'meaningful' with their talents. If she gets away with convincing 1/10th of a percent of this group to change their focus on meaningful problems then this could be a giant boon for humanity. Whether you "have no patience" with her attempt to sway those still making decisions on which path they will take is irrelevant since you will not fit into that 1/10th of a percent in her targeted audience. Her targeted audience does not include you. Move along and try not to be a dick about it. In other words, "no Walter you're not wrong, your just an asshole."

  20. Loaded words and misfired analysis by Tony · · Score: 1

    His entire rant is a string of strawmen, ad hominems, non sequiturs, and question-begging. The problems he mentioned are all either social or political in nature. Otherwise, he's piling a lot of abuse and loaded words on people doing what they want to do: write programs.

    The weird thing is, he identified the sources of the problems right in his rant. Single mothers living at or below the poverty line? The jobs they have don't pay well, are inflexible, and provide no relief for raising kids while trying to earn a living. Veterans waiting 8 months for medical attention? A processing system that is out-of-date and understaffed, and a health care system that has been gutted of funding.

    What bright ideas are young software entrepreneurs are going to solve this? The software exist to make the VA more efficient, and it's not like you can just write a new piece of software and expect the government to make use of it (just like you can't do that for a big company).

    These Big Problems don't have a software solution. He certainly didn't provide any ideas on how software might solve these Big Problems -- he just insisted on judging the career decisions of a group of people based on his preferences.

    Fuck. That.

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    1. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by taz346 · · Score: 2

      I think her point is exactly that these are problems that are "social and political in nature," and that our brightest minds are mostly writing inane apps instead of tackling them. Software solutions would help solve many of them but, as she says, doing that work is hard and doesn't offer much of an opportunity to strike it rich.

    2. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by stenvar · · Score: 1

      I think her point is exactly that these are problems that are "social and political in nature," and that our brightest minds are mostly writing inane apps instead of tackling them.

      The solutions are simple, he just doesn't like them: more privatization, more competition, more personal responsibility, fewer government benefits.

    3. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by taz346 · · Score: 1

      If you read her opinion about government in the article and her bio (and the author is a woman), you'll see she is a conservative, and what she's arguing is precisely that people need to take more personal responsibility for their country's pressing problems and quit blissfully ignoring them. And, no, the problems are very complex - if they were simple, you wouldn't need bright minds to take them on.

    4. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by stenvar · · Score: 1

      She's no "conservative". She gives us the usual litany of progressive complaints. And she wraps it all into a whiny and pointless call to action.

      Entrepreneurs are more than happy to work in all these areas if there were a profit to be made, and there's a lot of money to be made from providing low-cost, efficient services to people below the median income.

      The people who need a talking to are the voters, because they keep voting people like Obama and Bush into power, and as long as those people are in power, entrepreneurs can't do much of anything.

    5. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But as the poster you responded to said, the problems are political, not technical. Take the disability checks for veterans problem. Have you seen the backlogged piles of paper?

      Yeah, we could solve that problem. Those of us responding to this slashdot article could probably solve that problem in about a week. Of the few hundred posters, I'm sure by a show of hands we could find a couple of network and sysadmins to throw together some servers, a few database guys to write the schemas, a rails monkey to type "rails generate new Veterans_App_Form" and some j2ee coders to glue it all together. There, done.

      Now, good luck getting the VA to allow us to implement it.

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    6. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by taz346 · · Score: 1

      "Now, good luck getting the VA to allow us to implement it." I get what you are saying, but taking the time and making the effort to overcome that kind of thing is why undertaking this kind of work is more difficult than just creating apps. And that's why, I think, she says that our best minds are being wasted when they could be put to work addressing issues like that.

    7. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by cusco · · Score: 1

      Here's a challenge: Point me to ANY "privatization" in the last half a century that actually improved the lives of those who had paid to construct the infrastructure bing privatized. I can think of just one, the sale of the Peruvian telephone system to Telefonica de Espana, and that only because of very strict rules and milestones that the Fujimori government put in place about improvements in service, coverage, etc. To my knowledge there have been no others, and I've been watching this game for three decades.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
    8. Re:Loaded words and misfired analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, please, your biased language indicates you wouldn't accept evidence if it hit you over the head. Go troll somewhere else.

  21. Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by pla · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nnaemeka advises entrepreneurs looking for ideas to 'consider looking beyond the city-centric, navel-gazing, youth-obsessed mainstream' and instead focus on some groups that no one else is helping.

    Mr. too-many-Ns: Smart people still need to eat. To put a roof over their heads. They may even hope to "get ahead" a bit, enjoy a life of reasonable comfort, and retire early with enough wealth to not end up a decrepit dependent of the state like most people.

    Solving "important" problems doesn't accomplish those goals. Until you want to demonstrate the "importance" of your pet interests by paying me as much as industry does to work on inane, self-centric apps, GTFO.

    That said - Come up with funding, and we can talk. Honestly, I believe virtually everyone would rather work on solving real problems than on building shoddy consumer crap to pad $CEO's bonus this quarter. But Einstein gots ta get paid, son.

    1. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what Nnaemeka is expecting either.

      We live in a capitalist society. If no one is willing to pay for these important problems to be solved, then no one is going to solve them. And even if someone is willing to pay, they will most likely completely screw over the person/people responsible for coming up with the solution anyway. Capitalism is not about solving the world's problems, it's about making money by any means necessary.

      Maybe when that changes and the world collectively starts working together on long term sustainability of the human race then these brilliant problem solvers will get their time. But until then, they are going to work for the highest bidder.

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    2. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Solving "important" problems doesn't accomplish those goals.

      Dingdingding! You understood the problem!

      That said - Come up with funding, and we can talk.

      I'm pretty sure the point was to talk about the fact that the funding is currently available more for bad and profitable ideas than for good and necessary ideas.

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    3. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only doing that which is funded is the key flaw of capitalism: the fact that it only serves those with means.

    4. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is not about solving the world's problems, it's about making money by any means necessary.

      You're right that Capitalism isn't about solving the world's problems, although it often does as a consequence, but neither is it strictly about "making money". Money is a means to an end but not an end onto itself so to "make money" is to be looking for a means to satisfy some other wants or needs. The system of capitalism, manifest in the aggregated results of economic decisions made by individuals living in the society, allows us to satisfy our wants and needs most efficiently and quickly. That is the Raison d'être, as the French would say, of Capitalism. Some people don't like the results, but that's not an argument against Capitalism so much as it's a disagreement with the lifestyle choices of others.

    5. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're quick to assume he is talking about you.

    6. Re:Okay, hire me - Oh, you don't want to PAY? by hutsell · · Score: 1

      Mr. too-many-Ns: Smart people still need to eat. To put a roof over their heads. They may even hope to "get ahead" a bit, enjoy a life of reasonable comfort, and retire early with enough wealth to not end up a decrepit dependent of the state like most people. Solving "important" problems doesn't accomplish those goals. Until you want to demonstrate the "importance" of your pet interests by paying me as much as industry does to work on inane, self-centric apps, GTFO. That said - Come up with funding, and we can talk. Honestly, I believe virtually everyone would rather work on solving real problems than on building shoddy consumer crap to pad $CEO's bonus this quarter. But Einstein gots ta get paid, son.

      Although I've met a few people in my time with Nnaemeka's somewhat strident self-righteous mindset, I'm only including this for accuracy's sake -- profiling isn't really my agenda.

      About C.Z. Nnaemeka:

      C.Z. Nnaemeka studied Philosophy at Wellesley; logically, she has spent most of her time in finance, beginning at Goldman Sachs. Born in Manhattan to Nigerian parents, she attended French schools, graduating from the Lycée Français de New York. Since then she has alternated between writing, banking, and consulting to startups in Europe, Latin America, and Australia. Previously, she lived in Paris where she founded a political discussion group and was a foreign affairs commentator for the conservative newspaper, Le Figaro. She graduated from MIT in 2010, focusing on Entrepreneurship + Innovation.

      Assumptions, which may not even valid, spoken with good intentions meant for all, somehow exempts self appointed leaders from the criticism they speak about existing others.

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  22. She not he.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    From TFA: C.Z. Nnaemeka studied Philosophy at Wellesley; logically, she has spent most of her time in finance, beginning at Goldman Sachs. Born in Manhattan to Nigerian parents, she attended French schools, graduating from the Lycée FranÃais de New York. Since then she has alternated between writing, banking, and consulting to startups in Europe, Latin America, and Australia. Previously, she lived in Paris where she founded a political discussion group and was a foreign affairs commentator for the conservative newspaper, Le Figaro. She graduated from MIT in 2010, focusing on Entrepreneurship + Innovation.

    Don't be stupid. If you don't bother to read, don't assume gender in your response.

    1. Re:She not he.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just makes the phrase "self-righteous cunt" that I was going to use even more appropriate.

    2. Re:She not he.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lycée FranÃais

      -1 Can't be bothered to use proper HTML

      Lycée Français

      Acute accented e is é and c with a cedilla is ç.

  23. Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    I found this article courageous interesting, though it bogs down in examples it stands apart from a great many rants I see day after day.

    The author is NOT just attacking "silly things"... but referring to a decline of interest in building, maintaining and improving physical infrastructure. That complacency is real, it is dangerous and ultimately fatal.

    Physical infrastructure is the entirety of things that make a comfortable existence possible. Safe drinking water and the system that delivers it, affordable electricity, sufficient food with variety and the global transportation and trade that make them affordable.

    The desire to deliver a modern comfortable standard of living, through innovation in the building of infrastructure, is a moral imperative. As things stand we do not seem to be equipped or even interested to deliver these things. Before long we might not even be able to deliver Frito-Lay products.

    The United States is losing ground on these things because in great part, we have diverted from the path that leads to total self-sufficiency for energy. Energy is a key to all of this. Anyone who runs the numbers on wind power should realize it is a crap solution. An obscene amount of investment capital has and is being spent on it. And too many people (including these 20 and 30-somethings unfairly singled out in the article) are brushing across lone voices in the wilderness suggesting a directed focus to solve this problem and thinking maybe, gee that's interesting... and moving on... not feeling that there is any kind of existential threat.

    Rumors of the planet melting and sea levels inundating the shore have been greatly exaggerated. This is part of the problem, for some of the dumbest ideas ever conceived have arisen from it. And some of the smartest ideas for providing us with enough baseload energy to --- among other things --- heal the planet or offset our impact (yes it takes additional energy!) have gone unheard.

    It's time to "grow up" a little, and take some time to set in motion certain real-life initiatives that will tip the balance to lock in this modern way of life, until it is really sustainable.

    Then back to the fun and games.

    In other words, clean your room.

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    <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
    1. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical infrastructure is the entirety of things that make a comfortable existence possible. Safe drinking water and the system that delivers it, affordable electricity, sufficient food with variety and the global transportation and trade that make them affordable.

      But that requires government, not entrepreurship.

    2. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't agree more that a real things matter. I'm an embedded software person. I love working on industrial controls, automotive, and energy management. There are very few jobs doing that stuff. Where are the jobs? Doing crap that works on or with MyFaceTwitterSpaceBook+ (usually smart phone stuff). That stuff just seems like uninteresting garbage. I can't get excited about it. When people pitch things to me on the job hunt about how their crap is going to change the world my eyes glaze over. When they mention "social graph" I usually get up and leave. Oh well, I used to do cool stuff....

    3. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      Thank you, where do I find the groups that understand global warming exists but are pushing actual technical solutions rather than moronic and unsustainable cut back and use less messages? Until this grassroots movement starts I'll have to advocate for the deniers. Without real push for nuclear and new hydro electric dams I wont take it serious.

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    4. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more that a real things matter. I'm an embedded software person. [...] When people pitch things to me on the job hunt about how their crap is going to change the world my eyes glaze over. When they mention "social graph" I usually get up and leave.

      I appreciate your candor. Read Atlas Shrugged again, and I will do my very best to bring about a renaissance of interest in infrastructure such as the world has never seen. And some day in the future, embedded software persons such as yourself who enjoy developing industrial controls will no longer need to post as Anonymous Coward on Slashdot.

      It will be a long uphill battle. He he.

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      <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
    5. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by russotto · · Score: 1

      Thank you, where do I find the groups that understand global warming exists but are pushing actual technical solutions rather than moronic and unsustainable cut back and use less messages? Until this grassroots movement starts I'll have to advocate for the deniers.

      Come to the dark side. You could probably get some small funding for your technical solutions from our leaders in the oil industry who occasionally need to pretend to be "green". Not enough to implement, but enough to explore (and emit press releases). If it turns our the AGW crowd is right and the industry baron's estates are threatened, the money to implement will show up in no time.

    6. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rumors of the planet melting and sea levels inundating the shore have been greatly exaggerated.

      You realize that lower Manhattan completely flooded this year, right? A large amount of infrastructure was unavailable for the better part of a week in the nation's business and finance center. That is a SERIOUS problem.

    7. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for energy/infrastructure by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      You realize that lower Manhattan completely flooded this year, right? A large amount of infrastructure was unavailable for the better part of a week in the nation's business and finance center. That is a SERIOUS problem.

      That is because the nation's business and finance infrastructure was founded and placed with casual disregard for tsunamis or storm surges. Only James Hansen believes that this normal hurricane with its normal storm surge was abnormal. Think of it as evolution in action.

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  24. The dumb ideas don't come from the smart people by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    The dumb ideas come from dumb people with money - politicians.

  25. Mobile Homeless shelter? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Hmmm....

    Well, looks like that's not Nnaemeka's problem, given that it's an old dude making it, not some young guy. Still, I have some concerns. In no particular order

    1. Many homeless people in the USA are homeless because of mental problems. Treating said problems is necessary because otherwise they can't take care of themselves, fancy rolling shelter or not. Many will DESTROY said shelter in days, if not hours.
    2. Stove inside is just asking for fire.
    3. Is water shortage really a problem for homeless people?
    4. While it's technically mobile, it's far too heavy. I'm familiar with those castors, the system is far heavier than a shopping cart & a tent, sleeping bag, or even just a bunch of blankets.

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    1. Re:Mobile Homeless shelter? by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. Many homeless people in the USA are homeless because of mental problems. Treating said problems is necessary because otherwise they can't take care of themselves, fancy rolling shelter or not. Many will DESTROY said shelter in days, if not hours.

      It's not very brilliant, but it's a matter of law that both drug abusers and the mentally ill have a right to refuse treatment, and unless you can pin a sufficient criminal act on the former, or demonstrate a danger to society of the latter, then there's no way to force treatment.

      It's also one thing to take a mentally ill person and medicate them to the point that they are stable enough that you are required to release them, and entirely another to implant them with a Norplant-type device to continue to administer corrective drugs after they've been released from protective custody. The second one is illegal enforcement of treatment after termination of medical power of attorney.

      How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb? One. But the lightbulb has to want to change.

  26. Think for Yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People need to look beyond themselves. Remove the Google Glasses, put down the smart phones for a minute, get away from the TV and Internet for awhile. Why? Those are not your thoughts, they're thoughts of other people and strangers being absorbed into your mind. People need to step back and practice reflection and developing their own thoughts. Make it second nature. Else, apps and VC's are the least of our concerns.

    VC's follow the money.

    If the money's in shallow, narcissistic, navel gazinf apps, then that's where society is. Makes sense to me, at least look at the direction America is heading. We're not 'evolving' into a modern, accepting society, we're turning into an immature, intolerant and self absorbed society where every person is a self-important drone in their own private universe.

  27. Bullshit! by lahvak · · Score: 1

    That is complete bullshit, and you know it! There are many people who manage to eat, feed their families and send their kids to school, an in general make their living while helping what you call the less fortunate. It is hard work, it is often frustrating because it may often seem like it does not make any difference, but it is entirely possible. Of course, you may not be able to afford your huge house, new car, the newest TV and cable, but it is entirely possible to "make a living" that way.

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    AccountKiller
    1. Re:Bullshit! by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      OK, I see you're a literalist. Let me put it this way: if you're trying to sell a product or service that costs $10, how much effort will it take to get $10 from a poor person who has to work for a couple hours to earn $10 (in the US anyway) vs getting $10 from someone who makes $10 in a couple minutes? It is harder to get a poor person to part with their money than a relatively rich person.

      Slick Willie Sutton summed it up nicely when someone asked why he robbed banks: "that's where the money is".
      (yes, I know, you take things literally and there is some disagreement about the origin of that quote...)

    2. Re:Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except as the smartphone app market demonstrates, it is often easier to get $1 from 100 people than $10 from 10 people (or $990 out of 100 people rather than $999 if you want to split hairs). For 'cheap' products, the broader market is quite appealing (I doubt the elite are the target market for infomercial wares like the Sham-Wow).

      Sticking with smartphones for a minute, think of what this ultimate consumerist product does for the working poor: it allows them access to banks and other services at hours when they are not working whatever those hours may be. They allow them access to a plethora of educational/informational tools - in the 70's, to have access to an encyclopedia required hundreds of dollars or finding an open library. Today you can access a better one instantly anywhere* in the country. You want solutions to the unemployed baby-boomer? Acknowledge that the salary premium for experience isn't what it once was and doesn't translate as readily between jobs. The 'blackballed' older IT employee is blackballed not because he's old, but because he expects a salary based on those 20-30 years of experience when that is probably worth less than 5 years of experience working for the new company. Yes, your lifestyle is going to take a hit, but not as much as if you are unable to accept the blow to your pride. As to single motherhood, the solution is to fix single motherhood - consider the housing costs vs. income for a single mother vs. mother & father: the costs are about the same, but the income should be around double. If we could fix the broken family issue, a lot of our poverty problem would go away.

      *: there are some dead zones, but it comes pretty close.

    3. Re:Bullshit! by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Actually, it seems far easier to part a poor person from their money than a rich person. Just look at the personal consumption habits of the US.

  28. It's where the money and fame is... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    VC's want to invest in the next Angry Birds app... short term return, not 20 year return on the creation of a drug that'll cure XYZ disease.

    So where do the 20somethings want to go? Do they want to spend their time sitting in a lab somewhere at Big Pharma researching a drug? Or working for Cisco trying to create 1Tb Ethernet? Nope. Not sexy. Nobody is going IPO there.

    The startup industry has dramatically changed over the years.

    In the 80s and before, the purpose of a startup was to build a successful, long term business.
    In the dotcom era, the purpose was to go public (IPO).
    Post dotcom era, now that it's become so far to go public, the startups now just want to get bought.

    So in the past two generations of startups, nobody has cared about building a long term successful business. The VCs have investors behind them that want immediate returns and it's not about making a living for yourself and your employees but "striking it rich" for the investors behind the VCs. Note that those people that invest in the VC are already *rich* so adding another $100k to their portfolio is not worth it.

    Also as a 30something year old, who was 20something in the dot com bubble, fun atmospheres driving by promises of "retiring by 30" are like a drug.

    The smartest don't want to become Social Workers, they want to make a killing with Social Networking.

  29. Re:He has a pointy head by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    You mean companies are hiring smart people to design what other people want to buy?

    Oh, the humanity! The humanity!

  30. Which smart people? by prefec2 · · Score: 2

    People who went to university are not smart. They have some more education, and some of them are even brilliant in their distinct field, but beside that, they are morons like everyone else. If you want to help the lower and middle classes, first, you have to provide a decent social security system, like Danmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany and similar countries. Second, you have to train people in a way so that they can find a purpose in life. That purpose is more important, than above minimal-income income. Third, there are people who really are not able to decide what they want in life. They need guidance. SO we as a society have to deliver that. But most prominently, we have to change the primary attitude in society or at least in economy: ME FIRST!

  31. There are many excellent ideas on this planet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still, it seems that most of the geniuses who invented and developed these ideas are mostly and gradually superseded by those whom strive or seek to exploit these ideas to their own advantage and enrichment. This pattern had been witnessed time and again. If the smart would build wise, most problems could be solved within half a century (a daring conjecture/forecast). With all resources combined and with coordinated efforts (on a global scale), infrastructure could be built from which all of mankind would benefit. Namely, access to free sustenance/water/power/culture/technology/etc. imagine the productivity of free minds that are able to develop and build at their own discretion. Certainly coordinated in one way or another.... Sublime. ;} *mind is an almost inexhaustible resource*

    What I'd love these days here on earth, would at least be proper and accessible archives. Geez. Mankind.. so fine at times, and yet so undeserving at other times.

  32. Re:"Heaving Underclass" is maintained by the State by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    The only "solution" is "every man for himself" and his politically active subgroup. As long as we are rich enough to feed the underclass, we'll have domestic peace. People revolt for lack of food, nothing else.

    Please explain the American revolutionary war. Americans were better fed than the people of the British Isles, at the time.

    "Every man for himself" isn't a solution. It's a problem with no solution.

  33. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where have you been the last X years, when was the last time you saw something truely original or innovative?

    NOTE: Windows 8 doesn't count.

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  34. We are the 20% by taikedz · · Score: 2

    I'd expect nothing less from a 1st world culture in general that says "do what YOU want to do," "find YOUR dream," "YOU're the most important to YOU." Reading the comments on this thread so far, it is evident that we'd rather remain blissfully ignorant and shift the burden elsewhere.

    It's gruelling work to sort out the world's problems, and with no one-right-answer, fraught with the possibility of failure, as some commenters here can attest: one commenter demonstrates the core attitudinal problem - it takes effort to connect with someone from a different social background, with different concerns, priorities and fears for continued livelihood, to try and understand the problem, and formulate some answer, ANY answer, but at least to give a damn and TRY; some of us just aren't up to the task (though we can't necessarily be blamed for that much so long as we're not in denial). It's much easier to cater to the quick-wins, the plugged-in smart-phone-wielding, TV-watching, internet-addicted, money-squandering market and keep them happy. Fast money, cheap glory.

    The first commenters demonstate the very sentiment under fire, that rather than recognizing that there are much more worthwhile questions to ponder than how to make the next best cheap app on the most expensive phones to date, or how to make their privileged lives even more privileged, they prefer to suggest that Nnaemeka is the whiny my-problems-aren't-solved person. Thing is, privileged netizen, YOUR problems ARE being solved.

    Thankfully I too know the kind of people "O('_')O_Bush" points out, those who are toiling away, and even setting up locally successful ventures, to make communities, environments and the Environment better; though it's either an uneven distribution, in terms of attention gained vs actual work being done and achievements being made. I suspect we all know some such people. But we'd rather comment on the "celebrities" than focus on the great things happening on our own street.

    We've riled as the 99% against the 1% and the sheer injustice of it all, but we forget that we're still part of the upper 20% that are still quite plumply sitting on another lowly 80%. We are the 20%, and we are unashamed.

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    1. Re:We are the 20% by russotto · · Score: 1

      I'd expect nothing less from a 1st world culture in general that says "do what YOU want to do," "find YOUR dream," "YOU're the most important to YOU." Reading the comments on this thread so far, it is evident that we'd rather remain blissfully ignorant and shift the burden elsewhere.

      Yeah, these first world cultures are so bad; let's replace them with Third World cultures which are morally superior, and I'm sure the problems of the poor will be solved. Oh, wait, "Third World" is more or less a synonym for "poverty-stricken hellhole"?

      Thing is, privileged netizen, YOUR problems ARE being solved.

      Indeed. Largely by me and by people like me. Now you want me to solve everyone else's problems instead, to my own detriment?

      We've riled as the 99% against the 1% and the sheer injustice of it all, but we forget that we're still part of the upper 20% that are still quite plumply sitting on another lowly 80%. We are the 20%, and we are unashamed.

      We're not sitting on them at all. The only reason I see injustice in the 1% is a lot of them earn their money the old fashioned way: they steal it. Fraud, market manipulation, political rent-seeking, or out-and-out embezzlement; that's how many of us see the 1% getting their position. It's a little hard for me to get upset at people writing smartphone apps or facebook games or whatever; such activity may not be the pinnacle of social utility, but it's not at all crooked.

      Unashamed? Sure, I've got nothing to be ashamed of.

    2. Re:We are the 20% by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Are you a white male? (I'm not white, I am male though. Either way, I really get a kick out of that phrase.)

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:We are the 20% by strikethree · · Score: 1

      You are lost... and you will be one of the ones up against the wall when the revolution comes. Wake up and find yourself.

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      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
  35. They arent important problems to were the money is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or someone would have allready solved it.

    Now shut up and get back to making more money for me ya nerd.

  36. Re:That's his name you xenophobic shit by pla · · Score: 1, Funny

    Meh. Ask me if I care.

    Go on, ask.

  37. Or maybe... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    We measure success with money and we assume that people are really smart because they figured out how to make money.

    Despite the fact that the author is whining about people not doing what *he* thinks they should be doing, he is assuming that a person with the skill set to create a popular internet application of the year has the same skill set needed to solve real world problems.

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    1. Re:Or maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the author is thinking about all the engineering skills that are needed to keep a Facebook or Google running and that the folks involved are very bright (I think they are) and they could be focusing their brains on something more worthwhile to the world instead of making sure people can share cat pictures. Hard not to agree.

    2. Re:Or maybe... by Flozzin · · Score: 1

      I completely disagree. Being able to create an outstanding search engine, or many of the other things google does, does not mean that those same people have the know how to fix social problems. Single mothers? How do you fix that? Kill the child or have her marry.

      We have thrown literally trillions of dollars at social problems like poverty, homelessness, starvation and it's got us where? And suddenly a bunch of geeks that can write computer programs can somehow solve logistics problems that plague getting food from the middle of the US to people that need it in africa?

      These problems have palgued humanity since the beginning of our existence and just because a team if highly intelligent people(in regards to their specific degrees)can land a man on the moon or make 'angry birds', does not mean they have the knowledge or skills to solve these issues. They are not trivial like making an app or facebook. They will be with us for the forseeable future. Star Trek society is a long ways off.

      Not only are they technically difficult to solve, you have large bloated governments that love control and red tape that make fixing them near impossible. Partly because they don't want them fixed since it would mean it would free people from the prison the government has them trapped in.

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      "Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
  38. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Ah... if Windows 8 doesn't count...

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  39. Best and Brightest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Demonstrating, once again, that intelligence is overrated. "Best and brightest" appears to be increasingly an oxymoron.

  40. those 50+ unemployeds would love to work for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some of these 'bullshit' startups.

    this guy acts like if you 'work on the problem of unemployment' you will somehow solve it.

    yeah, by giving people fucking jobs.

    so the 50+ could be working on doing stupid shit like instagram.... as opposed to what? greeters at walmart? id take working at fucking instagram 7 days a week over chasing down gangbangers shoplifting tube socks.

    this guy decries the culture of inflexible work hours for single moms. so hire the single moms to work on instagram and other bullshit companies from home.

    now, the vets cant get VA care because the VA is an inefficient shit hole.

    oh no, wait, you want to send the 'best and brightest' to fight the bureaucracy. no, thats not how it works. you dont make a bureaucracy more efficient by throwing more money at it and hiring more people to do more studies of it. besides... what is your result going to be? throwing a lot of 50+ paper shufflers at the VA out of work and replacing them with computers. alot of those 50+ paper shufflers are themselves vietnam veterans. now you got a whole new class of underclass unemployed veterans with no health care ---- that you caused.

    unless these people can find jobs in the new, bullshit startups, they might become homeless.

  41. Re:That's his name you xenophobic shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    author is female

  42. goldman fucking sachs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this asshole wants to moralize lecture to people when she worked for one of the worst, most immoral companies on the planet?

    Goldman Sachs caused the great recession. She needs to STFU

  43. There is no problem that cannot be solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if everyone would stop working on their problems and just work on your problem instead.

  44. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    Skimmed through TFA, it doesn't seem like he has any suggestions on what to focus on, as long as it's not everyone dogpiling on one thing.

    But the way things are going, maybe we should all be working on building these:
    http://www.designboom.com/design/mobile-homeless-shelter/

    that's not a homeless shelter realistically. a true homeless person would sell it for booze.

    to who? some guy who needs it for camping(stick to the back of a pickup) or as a rock festival sleeping area. for that it looks nice and you could make a mint renting those for that. the laptop area in the sketch is just funny - it's certainly meant for some different kind of nonexistant type of homeless person.

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  45. Defensive much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to see the Slashdot crowd going into defensive mode. Makes the author's point perfectly.

  46. Re:Faulty towers by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Money for nothing and their checks for free.

    I wanted to be a rock star with hot and cold running chicks.
    I became a technologist and I have hot and cold running robots.
    I am happy.

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    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  47. My perspective.... by FeatureSpace · · Score: 1

    I have pursued both anti-problems and big problems.

    "Anti-problems" are everywhere and discussed frequently because the public and press are familiar with the problems, solutions and rewards. Everyone knows the possible financial reward from Facebook/Yahoo buying your social networking website/app, developing the next great web technology at Google, or developing financial software on Wall Street. These "anti-problems" are very sexy too. Investors buy into the hype. I used to work in finance. I saw investors bringing $50 million investment utterly fail in their due diligence and believe total lies. So anti-problems can attract a ton of easy investment... if conning investors is your thing.

    But anti-problems bring deep risks, which you don't generally hear about. I've seen great software engineers work for very low pay because their employer or partners are trapping, baiting and exploiting them with equity promises, shared ownership obligations, using financial pain and desire to own their IP as motivation. I have seen careers ruined due to unseen risks that only good (and expensive) legal counsel would have helped you avoid in advance. But you rarely hear about these risks because they're just not sexy enough to print or are deeply confidential.

    I've developed solutions to anti-problems that generated millions in revenue. I'm not a millionaire today because of simple greed. I did not secure ownership in advance and faced a costly litigation to regain my ownership or fair compensation from a very large company. I learned from these experiences. I learned to walk away from lead engineering employment positions where I was planning to generate or advance IP worth millions or billions and my employer refused to compensate me fairly based on the value of the IP.

    Nor do you hear about "big problems". Sometimes its because fewer understand the limits of physics. Fewer understand the deep math and technology expertise involved. But mostly its a matter of the general public and press not knowing a solution was even possible. Best example was the original iPhone which offered the first effective touchsceen on a cell phone. That simply wasn't on anyone's radar.

    I work on one of these big problems. I am a technical lead on software that is currently saving the lives of US soldiers and improving their lethality... right now as we speak. Nearly every solider we demo our software to says to us "I need that NOW". We truly feel like Steve Jobs demonstrating the first iPhone. That's part of the reward when you pursue solutions to big problems. Yes we're also compensated very well.

    Yet we struggle to recruit top engineering talent away from all the "anti-problems". I've been pursuing a few local software engineers for a few years. One is developing a social networking app and probably earning a small fraction of what we pay. I get the feeling certain engineers have pursued anti-problems for so long, they're afraid to abandon their hopes of a big buyout, switch to working on big problems and have to admit to themselves that pursuing anti-problems was a bad choice.

    1. Re:My perspective.... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Land Warrior system? That's interesting enough that I'd almost come out of retirement to poke at that. I'm lazy though, screw it. I'd rather get high all day and do nothing. What? I worked hard to be able to do this.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  48. Actually: Too many morons think they are smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they are so dumb, they think they are smart again. And smart people are so far above them, that they look dumb again.

    As they say: Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.

    Example: "Scientists think rocks just suddenly became plants, and monkeys suddenly became humans. What dumbasses!"
    (Note the broad ignorance in all aspects of the topic.)

    t can also be that this is about dumb people thinking smart ideas are dumb ideas though. I see that just as often.

    But maybe John Cleese said it better.

  49. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by stoploss · · Score: 1

    the laptop area in the sketch is just funny - it's certainly meant for some different kind of nonexistant type of homeless person.

    Are you sure? Last time I volunteered to serve dinner at the homeless shelter I saw that approximately 15% of the residents had smartphones. Maybe that correlates to the residents who had nicer cars than my 12 year old vehicle.

    Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to encounter homeless people with laptops.

  50. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    i've seen quite a few homeless with phones, smart or not, in large part because it can be quite difficult to get a job without a phone number. For those that are actually trying to climb out of their situation, it is an essential tool, and in some cases, it is left over from before they were homeless as few are there after falling on hard times not too long ago. A laptop on the other hand seems to be a different story and I don't think I've encountered any homeless with a laptop (not counting the couch-crashing type of traveling friend...). While computer access is also important to getting many kinds of work, all of the homeless I've seen have used computers availible at shelters (including for training/educational courses) or at a library.

  51. perhaps smart people are smarter than him by stenvar · · Score: 1

    Perhaps smart people just realize that the progressive refrain of "the sky is falling" and "we so many problems" is bullshit.

    The problems we do have are largely self-inflicted and within people's own control. For example, you can't fix single motherood with an app, entrepreneurship, or government programs. The only way you get fewer single mothers in poverty is if women stop having kids outside of marriage.

    And entrepreneurs can't fix what's wrong with government benefits, retirement plans, or the medical system because those are increasingly transferred from entrepreneurs (i.e. corporations) to the government. I mean, why would entrepreneurs be attracted to starting businesses in areas that are being demonized and regulated to death by the president and a large part of Congress?

    1. Re:perhaps smart people are smarter than him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way you get fewer single mothers in poverty is if women stop having kids outside of marriage.

      Yeah cos no one ever gets divorced after getting married and having kids eh?

      Are you really that fucking stupid?

  52. $-money-$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about money. Plain and simple. If the young are blowing cash they don't have on things they don't need, then someone's going to sell it to them.

  53. Difference between Tumblr & RedHat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In that Tumblr is in the 'Shiny-shiny', Me, Now instant gratification area of Technology.\Wheras, RH is firmly in the shadows.

    Twatter, Faceblock etc are all in the same tech area as Tumblr. They are in fashion one minute and out of it the next.
    Look at what happened to MySpace? Where is it now.

    Sadly the majority of young people graduating today would rather work for the Social Media type businesses rather than the likes of RH.

    Where I live, it is not only in Tech that you can't find people to, you knoe 'do stuff'. I've been trying to find a decent tradesman to do some work at my house. So far no one has even bothered to quote for the work. Putting in a Raiwater Capture system is not that glamorous is it so I should not be all that surprised.

    1. Re:Difference between Tumblr & RedHat by volmtech · · Score: 1

      How far are you from St Augustine, Fl. My friend and I will fix you up. We're old and slow, but we know how to get things done.

  54. TFA by PPH · · Score: 1

    Lets look at two examples put forth by TFA: An app that provides restaurant recommendations based on your blood type. The Department of Veteransâ(TM) Affairs processes 97% of its claims by hand, stacking them in heaps on tables and in cabinets.

    The first one is virgin territory, in development terms. Sure, it might be silly. But if it pays off (think Angry Birds) its all yours.

    The second one is already someone's turf. Sure, I could go in with a team and clean up the VA. Or the IRS, FBI, whatever. But government contracting has already been staked out by the big players. And you don't operate in their town without giving them a piece of the action, see?

    You want my help solving your big problems? Fine. But I'm going to need protection. When the big boys come to interfere and make threats, shoot them. No trial. Just like an errant US citizen in Yemen. Bang. Right between the eyes.

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    1. Re:TFA by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No. I take back what I said about the Land Warrior system above. I *will* come out of retirement for that. I'm not going to sober up though. Life is too short for sobriety. People are too people for sobriety too.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  55. 't Is sad by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Good question. That the question is good, is proved by the fact that I really, really had to think for some time before coming up with an answer. The last time I saw something truly original or innovative was around the end of 2007. Yes, that is sad.

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    1. Re:'t Is sad by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      So, what was it?

  56. and who's going to pay them by davydagger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    just like everyone else, people with degrees are chasing jobs. Just an electrician or a plumber who has to take a job where their skills lie, so do graduates out of top schools. I hate to say this, but they need to make a living too.

    So this entire article is like an article saying "too many skilled workers are working at wal-mart".

    Also, when you talk about solving either social or political problems as a nerd with the only social status you have is dependant on whatever patronism you give to established players, and as little as they can give you, and they are always looking take it away, how are we expected to solve problems.

    What do you think happens to the first nerd who solves a problem that someone in washington, or big business uses to either make money, or stay elected, or get them whatever extra-legal favors they want?

    Don't blame us, blame pop culture, and the social latter, which has the best and brightest subserviant to the worst and dumbest.

    I also like how the article has a bit of remorse for how they "use to shovel money for wall street", because I think what is going on now is still a vast improvement.

  57. Self-Centered Writer by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    The writer of this thesis is self-centered. They think they know what is important. Evolution shows they're probably wrong.

    1. Re:Self-Centered Writer by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

      It does? In what way does evolution show that she's wrong? I don't think evolution is what you think it is....

  58. Re:That's his name you xenophobic shit by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

    And a cool name it is. Sounds like a man who knows his way round a set of nunchucks.

  59. Still lots of greedy bastards... by mspohr · · Score: 1

    So, this is news?
    There are still lots of greedy bastards looking to make a quick buck. Some of them are smart... smart enough to make a quick buck but maybe not smart enough to see the real potential of applying their efforts to something worthwhile.
    I think this has always been the case... sad but true.

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  60. C.Z. Nnaemeka is female by AdamHaun · · Score: 2

    Not really relevant to the topic; just wanted to point this out since a lot of people are referring to the author as "he".

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    1. Re:C.Z. Nnaemeka is female by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really relevant to the topic; just wanted to point this out since a lot of people are referring to the author as "he".

      who cares?

  61. Written by a woman by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

    1. It's interesting how many posts here assume that this well written and thoughtful article was written by a man. She's a woman. Oh, and you should read her OTHER article on the same website. It's interesting.

    2. It's also interesting how many people didn't talk about the article and just used the basic idea to ramble on about their own pet peeves. It's the Government's fault! (we could argue about that, but that's not what the article is about). People today are selfish and they suck! (Volunteerism is at an all time high. People are awesome and caring. Also, people tend to see other people as being just like them, so I worry about all those people that assume everyone ELSE is selfish and greedy.)

    3. It's also interesting how a lot of posts seem to say "well yeah, everyone just wants to make money!" I actually read the article, and you might notice she specifically says that lots of people are LEAVING Wall Street (and I'd assume their high paying jobs) to go be entrepreneurs. The problem is that they're focusing on the Wrong Areas.

    So, basically... Pretty much all of the replies here missed the point and used the time and space to just rant about their own already concieved perceptions. That's kind of lame. This was a really neat read.

    In response to her, I'd say that people tend to do what they know. When you're a programmer, you want to program away the problems, and you focus on the easily programmed problems... Perhaps a solution is to take all those entrepreneurs and have them sit down with Joe and Jane Shmoe and talk about what could help them. Bah. Who needs market research! ( I kid! I kid!)

    As a budding entrepreneur, I found this( and her other article) to be very though provoking. Thanks Mrs? Nnaemeka!

    Tony

    1. Re:Written by a woman by russotto · · Score: 1

      It's interesting how many posts here assume that this well written and thoughtful article was written by a man.

      This is slashdot. Most of us didn't read the article. A good number didn't read the summary. The English language makes it fairly difficult to write naturally without an assumption of gender, and the default assumption for an unknown is "he". You're reading too much into it.

      It's also interesting how a lot of posts seem to say "well yeah, everyone just wants to make money!" I actually read the article, and you might notice she specifically says that lots of people are LEAVING Wall Street (and I'd assume their high paying jobs) to go be entrepreneurs. The problem is that they're focusing on the Wrong Areas.

      Working a regular job on Wall Street probably means you're making high 6-figures; if you're leaving to become an entrepreneur you probably want to make millions. Or, you want to do what YOU want to do, not what Wall Street bosses want you to do. Neither motive fits with entrepreneurs doing what Ms. Nnaemeka wants them to do. If you want entrepreneurs to focus on the "right" areas, you have to make those areas interesting to entrepreneurs, potentially lucrative, or ideally, both.

  62. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when was the last time you saw something truely original or innovative?

    Minecraft
    Smart Phones
    Self Driving Cars
    Private space flight
    Crowd funding
    Growing body parts from stem cells
    Mars exploration
    Discovery of planets around other stars

    I wonder how boring a life would be to not recognize these things as new and wonderful.

  63. Mod parent up. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Interesting. Perspective on the problems is what frames it.

    We tend to use profit generation as a metric for intelligence.
    Mammon is the one true god; claiming to be otherwise is for suckers, actions speak louder than words.

  64. smart = progressive = for appearances by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    No, I believe he meant it as written. It appears that progressivism is about how one wants to be seen by other "progressive" people. The "progressive" people I know (they all think they're smarter than non-progressive people) do all the meaningless "progressive" things that look good to other "progressives", like changing their facebook profile pictures to equal signs when asked to do so, and posting progressive rants on the internet, but they all seem to have ordered their lives around never encountering the people they champion, they spend their money on toys and entertainment, and they spend their time being entertained. And posting progressive rants on the internet.

    1. Re:smart = progressive = for appearances by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the non-progressives, who do *none* of these things.

      --Jeremy

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      Jesus was a liberal
  65. Been there, done that. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I developed a very serious mobile app back way in the mid-90s for public health and disease surveillance. Let me tell you from experience why an app that people rely upon every day for critical work is no way to strike it rich. People *need* a lot of support for that kind of app. Support equals labor, and labor is expensive. Businesses with high expenses don't get rich unless they can command huge prices.

    When smartphones came along, my partner used to gnash his teeth at stories of developers scoring windfalls with ringtones or stupid little games, and here we were doing *important* work and only making an OK living. I pointed out that if somebody pays $1.99 for something to amuse himself, he's never going to call tech support. When something represents a total investment of fifty to a hundred thousand dollars in hardware, software and system integration services, he damn well is going to call tech support. But 50K isn't really that much money if you include hardware, third party software licenses, QC'ing the client's existing data and converting it, training the administrators and end uses, and negotiating with IT gatekeepers. That's what you have to face when you do work that everyone agrees is important. Yes, people are willing to spend real money on important problems, but they also subject you to higher standards, intense scrutiny, and exacting ongoing demands, and those things eat into your profits. And the only way to get rich in business is to generate profits -- and salary you pay yourself for your labor IS AN EXPENSE.

    That's why the $1.99 app somebody buys on a whim to amuse himself is bound to be more profitable than *important* software that somebody relies on to do something important -- no matter how much you charge for that software. There are exceptions to this rule, of course. Software that is a cheaper, more convenient alternative to something someone already has (e.g. Skype) is practical because what it does may be important, but that software itself is at first dispensable.

    Look at the vast amounts of cash going into develop "social media"; it is no accident that most of it goes to support is so trivia. Trivia is profitable. It's easier to try radical new things in the trivial. A lot more people have an early adopter stance towards a service like Facebook than they do to towards things they regard as critical. They take convincing and hand-holding. That's why something like Google Wave couldn't get off the ground, you have to approach something as important as collaboration much more conservatively, usually working around how people already do things (e.g. Sharepoint).

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  66. The Bright, Shiny by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    MBAs, banks, VCs (who are MBAs, and lawyers) are exactly the wrong people to be holding the purse strings for entrepreneurship. They took the easiest, sleasiest route to money that exists and have solved no problems nor helped a single other human being along the way. They cannot imagine a world different than what they see in front of their eyes, so make poor predictors of the future. So they hand the capital to those who come along with the Bright, Shiny, Me-too apps that they know will sell for $$$ because the last Bright, Shiny, Me-too app did.

    That, in a word, is why the big problems don't get solved.

    If a big problem does get solved in the near future, it will be accomplished by real entrepreneurs, who do see the future, know how to solve real problems, and can figure out how to do it with zero support or encouragement from The Powers That Be. That is a tough trick to pull off, but it's probably more possible now, with all that we have, than it's ever been.

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  67. The truly smartest are often considered insane by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who will change society by orders of magnitude a few decades or centuries down the road are considered borderline insane today.

    Actually, by the usual measure they often _are_ borderline insane. RMS is a great example. His ragging on about GNU/Linux instead of Linux etc., his appalling table manners (I've heard first hand that they are bound to make you throw up), etc. are mannerisms that cloud the greatness of the ideals he holds dearest. His deed of introducing the GPL and putting is power where his mouth is ang giving us the GPL and the GNU Toolkit will have more positive consequences for humanity further down the road than a Mark Zuckerberg could only dream of. And every expert knows this.

    It's quite common that people really helping humanity move forward become famous only after they've died - if at all - and society gradually grows to see what they did for us all or what they saw coming (Ada Livingston, Tesla, ...). And if they do experience fame themselves, it's not unlikely that they are in trouble for their ideas and insights (Galilei, US founding fathers, founders of the German republic, etc.). ...

    That all been said, I have to second the initial claim that there basically is a solid measure of decadence, especially in the field of IT, that is leading us nowhere. I've spent my recent years scrum mastering for browsergames, fiddling with FOSS CMSes (and we all agree that the world surely does not need any more of those) and now techleading the development of travel booking sites. With all the power as a developer and IT expert at my hands today nothing to brag about, really.

    However, I *do* have a daughter and she needs to be put well on her way, and if assigning tickets to webdevs for the next generic webapp is what helps me follow through with my responsibility, I guess I'll have to swallow my pride until she's out of the house and on her own. Then I might actually finally drop IT as a main career all together and put my skills into action for some greater cause, such as protecting/defending the environment or pushing for some advancement in womans rights somewhere or something.

    My 2 cents.

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  68. And this is new how? by Zalbik · · Score: 1

    TL;DR:
    "IMO, the wealthy are spending too much time on things that make them more wealth and not enough time on things that help the poor"

    How is this at all a new idea? Other that the obligatory bashing of the VC's, Wall Street and new media, there is nothing remotely interesting or insightful in this entire article.

    To summarize the summary:
    "The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it" - Dr. Horrible

  69. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by cusco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are an awful lot of people who are homeless because the bank took their houses away, not because they're junkies or winos who live in the street. The annual Seattle census of homeless people for the last several years has found that the number of people living in their cars in the suburbs, away from the stereotypical urban shelter residents, has been rising dramatically.

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  70. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I find appalling is that the author works at Wallstreet - nothing like throwing rocks while living in a glass house.

    Apart from coming across as an inane rant, this author has zero credibility. MITER should take this article down instantly - its a disgrace to the MIT community.

  71. Simple Rant by mordred99 · · Score: 2

    The simple answer to all of this is choice, and the consequences of choice. I consider myself one of the "best and brightest" and why don't I go out and do what author is describing? Simple, myself subscribed to the philosophy that I needed to make a decent living (aka, I made a choice to live comfortably). I then chose to have a child with a woman who eventually split with me. I chose to get full custody of my son. Based on those choices, I was then told by society (a judge) that I had to live in central Indiana, and not in Washington, if I was to have my son live with me. Now Tell me how I can sit here with all those choices, and tell me how my life is going to work out.

    I cannot work on the coasts, I cannot travel, I have to be home every night at 5-6pm, I want to live comfortably, I have to work in central Indiana. Tell me what a highly intelligent person is to do if they want to "change the world" or "help the underprivileged". Straw men such as the original author stated only work when things can work out for the person doing the work's favor.

    Lets go with another example. Smart person wants to do a company which helps people. Great. They need money. They go out and they have to get into bed with VC or some angel will give them money for costs. This is great until said money giver now wants a return or worse yet, profit. So they have to find a way to make money. Giving things away does not make money (as poor, disadvantaged don't have a lot of excess cash to pay for things). So that means, companies who have altruistic intentions, must create a marketable application/device/item/widget and then sell that, make money, pay back the original shareholders, pay expenses/taxes, invest in R/D, and then finally with what ever is left, give money away for the original altruistic intentions were to begin with.

    I cannot stamp my feet in the street and say "I want millions of dollars to create a company to help poor people, with no chance of paying back the original investors." The only way I can see that is if you hit the lottery.

  72. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by KGIII · · Score: 1

    If you read the thread attached to the link about the homeless shelter there's a guy in there claiming to be homeless and owns a laptop. He claims to be a free-range human so he might fall under the mentally ill category as he also claims homelessness is a choice.

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  73. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by KGIII · · Score: 1

    To add to that - clarify - he claims that homelessness is a choice like ALL homeless are choosing to be homeless, that's how they put it. Sorry, wanted to make it clear.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  74. Don't worry by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

    abandoning their former hangout, Wall Street, to pile into anti-problem entrepreneurship

    I wouldn't worry so much. Wall Street wasn't getting the really smart ones anyway...

  75. String theory by Torodung · · Score: 1

    Like string theory. Mods, do your worst.

    Man we could use those brains elsewhere.

  76. Oh, the banality of computing by Animats · · Score: 2

    The author has a point. A shorter version is from Jeff Hammerbacher at Facebook: "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks." I've been to venture capital presentations, and too many of them are for incredibly banal applications. I've heard a pitch for a social network for cats. (It wasn't funded.) Even venture capitalists are unhappy with this situation.

    As the social networking boom collapses (Facebook traffic and ad revenue peaked a year ago, and everybody else is in worse shape) we'll see a change in that. But it's not clear what comes next.

  77. too many people writing about the underclass by a2wflc · · Score: 1

    Instead of spending so much time writing about social needs and advancing their own "journalism" or "pundit" careers, they should put 80-100 hours/week into anti-problem entrepreneurship.

  78. another gay nigger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looking for handouts from the white man

  79. Excuse me for making a living by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I'd love to do something insanely great to help society turn into a Donald-Fagan style I.G.Y. utopia, but no one seems to have any jobs along that line. And Mr. Know-It-All seems to forget that people who make money pay taxes.

  80. Smart people go where the money is by ranton · · Score: 2

    Any smart person who is not also a strong idealist is most likely going to go where the money is. This could be on Wall Street, in online advertising, in going to the Moon, or in curing cancer. It is not their responsibility to do something to better the world. The people spending their money in the economy and electing officials who directly or indirectly decide where the money is going to go.

    All this talk about training more people in STEM misses the entire benefit of being in a capitalistic economy. Instead of funding schools, fund research. Students will throw money at engineering programs like they current throw money at law schools to get at that research funding. People don't go into MBA programs or law school because the classes or fun or because sitting in board rooms is fun. They do it because of the money at the end of the tunnel. You put that same amount of money at the end of the tunnel for engineering, and capitalism with fix everything for us.

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  81. Missing the point by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    George Carlin said "You nail two pieces of wood together that have never been nailed together before and some schmuck will buy it from you." I usually follow that statement with "If you don't believe me, go to Bed, Bath & Beyond." That's where you find a lot of infomercial products. Wal-Mart has an aisle for it too and so does True Value and Ace Hardware.

    People seem to be more willing to buy stupid stuff than they are well-designed, practical, truly useful stuff. One could argue that this speaks volumes about the intelligence of the buying public. The segment of the population that comes up with stupid products knows this. Their goal is simply to make a lot of money as quickly as possible with minimal effort. The people who fund development are of the same mindset. The same can be said of the entire entertainment industry.

    Can this be changed? Maybe. I often wonder if we created the scientific equivalent of American Idol, how would that alter public perception of geeks. If you could have an annual or bi-annual competition with huge rewards (we're talking 8 figures here) and a ton of publicity e.g. touring the talk-show circuit, would you be able to give the winners rock-star status thus encouraging more people to go for it instead of cranking out noise that some people think is music.

  82. wanna change the world?? change your hood first by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    the "Big Trick" to Changing the World is for each person to change what they can and then oh say use Social Media to get others to do the same.

    enough folks keeping a few square meters of their area clean and fhelping a dozen folks will solve most problems today.

    (and those gang bangers keeping things clean would work just fine)

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  83. Counter Argument: Invisible Hand. Wisdom of Crowds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reject the author's premise. Here are my arguments. I call "MU"

    Wisdom of Crowds
    Its central thesis, that a diverse collection of independently deciding individuals is likely to make certain types of decisions and predictions better than individuals or even experts,

    Invisible Hand
    Individuals' efforts to maximize their own gains in a free market benefits society, even if the ambitious have no benevolent intentions.

    Infinite monkey theorem
    The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

    Gödel, Escher, Bach
    Hofstadter discusses Zen koans. He attempts to show readers how to perceive reality outside their own experience and embrace such paradoxical questions by rejecting the premise — a strategy also called "unasking".

  84. He has a point, but they're government issues by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately most of the problems he suggests need solving involve the government bureaucracy rather heavily. That means that you can't just create an application in your spare time that would solve the problem; you have to support it with a huge raft of paperwork and test cases to prove to the government that it works. That doesn't take effort; it takes money, money that that those willing to do the work rarely have.

    Take his example of disability processing for veterans. It's clear that this area could benefit from the latest in OCR technology to convert the hand-written forms into computer-readable text. Even better would be to convert the forms to online applications that can be printed out for one's records, but which are submitted electronically.

    Once that's done, there is all sorts of interesting work that can be done to parse the data entered into those forms to categorize and sort the applications based on the type of disability being suffered so they can be prioritized.

    In short, it's an area where there is tremendous opportunities for improvement.

    But improving things would put hundreds if not thousands of government workers out of work. More importantly, it would mean those benefits become due now instead of in the form of back pay nine months later.

    It's cruel, but I don't think the government wants the possible improvements. It rocks the boat of The System too much.

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    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  85. Re:"Heaving Underclass" is maintained by the State by cusco · · Score: 1

    It's the Libertarian "solution" for pretty much everything. That and the magical mystical Free Market. If greed and avarice are given free reign then everyone will get exactly what they deserve. Some of them actual pine for a return to the Victorian Era.

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    "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  86. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Yes, very much this.

    To add another George Carlin quote, "the problem isn't homelessness, it's houselessness."

    There's no reason for houses to have the inflated cost they do these days, other than to serve as a mechanism to transfer more wealth to the wealthy through mortgage interest. People complain about paying 10% - 30% of their income in taxes... over the course of the typical 30-year mortgage, you'll end up paying twice your original loan (and effectively more if you keep selling your house and getting a new mortgage before you enter into your mortgage's "golden years"). It's pretty much nuts, and has pretty much inflated our national worth many times over with "imaginary" assets.

    And it doesn't have to be this way. We could be building affordable houses. Maybe even on golf courses ;-)

  87. Actually... by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    It's more a change in the definition of what a smart person is so that it includes anyone who can get rich off creatingly silly things for the internet.

  88. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    minecraft

    So I guess you never saw infiniminer? Minecraft is one of the biggest ripoffs in the history of video game development.

    smart phones

    Radio -> mobile radio -> pager -> PDA -> smartphone (Blackberry) -> smartphone (Apple). It's just an iteration, not something truely innovative.

    self driving cars

    I'm pretty sure I read about them in Ralph 124C41+ (1925), but either way it's a very logical evolution of the chauffeur or cabdriver.

    private space flight

    So something becomes new and innovative because of its funding source? Have you considered applying for the position of patent officer?

    crowd funding

    Look up how the pedastal for the Statue of Liberty was funded sometime. Or if you want to go back even further, the joint stock companies which funded early (British) settlements in America.

    Growing body parts from stem cells

    Simply the next iteration of stem cell technology. If you want to tag stem cells as truly original you'd have to either put the date at 1908 for Alexander Maksimov, or perhaps 1963 for McCulloch and Till, and then it would be more of a discovery than an invention.

    Mars exploration

    We've been doing this since the 60s with Soviet missions (mars 1M).

    Discovery of planets around other stars

    How is this something 'new' or 'innovative'? It's hardly innovative to think 'gee, I wonder if there are other planets out there.' People have been trying to chart the skies since prehistoric times. The biggest 'true innovation' I can see in this field was the first telescope, and that was almost 500 years ago.

    Yes, there is a bit of innovation in most of your examples. Certainly there must have been innovation between, say, Mars 1M and Curiosity. But the innovation, the new thing, is something like 'a better algorithm for flight trajectories' or 'a better radiation shield'. The concept of exploring Mars is hardly new.

    So why didn't you say 'a better algorithm for flight trajectories' or 'a better radiation shield' in your list? Probably because you aren't intimately familiar with the science behind the various Mars missions, and therefore can't pick out exactly what the innovations have been. That's fine, neither am I. But certainly there is some field that you are intimately familiar with: your job, your field of study, etc. I studied mathematics. For examples of real innovation I give Mochizuki's work, a body of proofs and papers so dense and full of new terminology and new constructs that almost nobody besides him understands it enough to believe it. But for some reason, people don't say "Mochizuki" or anything similar, they say "Minecraft" and "tumblr" and call them 'new and wonderful.' Things that are actual innovations are ignored, while minor tweaks combined with PR are treated as new. Every one of your examples, except exoplanet discovery, has been accompanied by massive publicity. Minecraft was the subject of one of the biggest viral marketing campaigns to date, crowd funding is publicity in implementation, stem cells have been the subject of massive amounts of controversy, Apple's reality distortion field needs no introduction, etc.

    That's what GP is referring to. The things we are shown, the things that have the label "new" or "innovative" slapped onto them, are almost never actually new or innovative, as your list perfectly demonstrates.

  89. Re:Score -1 Flamebait for global warming by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    There friend, you've hit the crux of it. Until we all agree on the cause we cannot in good conscience be sure that we're attacking the right problem.

    Until an abundant source of non-carbon energy is up and running these things are science fiction.

    If you believe that CO2 is the problem there are really only two options, (1) a return to a stone age existence by a population dramatically reduced by mass murder. Merely simplifying the lives of 7 billion people will not work. And (2) implementing large scale industrial process to sequester CO2 from the atmosphere and bury it. A bountiful carbon-neutral source of energy is required for this, it might require as much energy as we use to run our civilization. Nuclear fission is the only such possible source on the table.

    The only CO2 sequestration technique that impressed me as possible was proposed by Marshall Savage in his book The Millennial Project... where floating OTEC platforms along warm equatorial waters pump cold nutrient-rich ocean water to the surface creating an algal bloom around the platform that is confined by booms. Some would be used to feed fish farms, but the bulk of it would be packaged into weighted bales and sunk into the ocean. It may have been a slow and arduous process (OTEC are only marginally possible and the best energy efficiency is ~1%) but it would at least work.

    I've seen lots of global warming combative measures, and some that would induce warming to help combat an ice age... that involve synthesis of something and scattering of that something over large areas, but it all requires a clean energy budget that we just don't have. So it all comes down to energy.

    In order to even consider these things we would need that proverbial 'clean, abundant and too cheap to meter' energy source.

    If safe nuclear fission remains off the table and undeveloped, specifically the thorium fueled liquid fluoride molten salt reactor, it looks to me like we're screwed.

    I personally never believed that pure chemical CO2 was a serious issue climate-wise, although if you believe coal is a problem (carbon black, atmospheric particulates) then we've always been on the same page.

    It is no wonder that so many people fall back to the depopulation return to stone age solution. They refuse to realize it but they are really advocating mass murder by proxy --- for when the ineffective conservation phase has failed and the problem becomes worse they will elect bold courageous leaders who are not afraid to get the process rolling, and the (selective) mass murders will begin.

    Mankind does encourage global warming and glacial melt via deposit of carbon black on the surface and arctic pollution. This is a particulate/aerosol problem not a purely chemical CO2 problem, which is why I think temperatures in the Antarctic have been more stable than the Arctic, the world's worst carbon polluters are in the Northern hemisphere.

    Another (fascinating!) recent paper poses that our 1970~2002 use of Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) was a key driver in the brief global temperature rise rather than carbon dioxide emissions.

    Mankind does encourage global cooling regionally via airplane contrails, the seeding of clouds where none would otherwise form (it adds up) --- as described in this kick-ass documentary Global Dimming from BBC Horizon.

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  90. Re:Mobile Politician shelter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm....

    Well, looks like that's not Nnaemeka's problem, given that it's an old dude making it, not some young guy. Still, I have some concerns. In no particular order

    1. Many politicians in the USA are politicians because of mental problems. Treating said problems is necessary because otherwise they can't take care of themselves, fancy rolling shelter or not. Many will DESTROY said shelter in days, if not hours.
    2. Stove inside is just asking for fire.
    3. Is water shortage really a problem for politicians?
    4. While it's technically mobile, it's far too heavy. I'm familiar with those castors, the system is far heavier than a shopping cart & a lawyer, hot air, or even just a bunch of paper.

  91. False assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart people.
    Helping.

    One gets the gist from those alone.

    Here's a better suggestion that would help solve most problems: make people like N-whatever (politicians, lawyers, experts etc.) shut up for the rest of their lives.

  92. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're NOT new, only implementation or re-implementation of very old ideas.

    New things come from new ideas. I haven't seen or heard of any new ideas since like 20 years ago.

  93. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Life is boring.

    Minecraft - Wasn't the first voxel based game. There was at least a WW2 FPS before it. You can build things out of Lego blocks. Doing it "on a computer" doesn't make it new.
    Smart phones - the natural progression of shrinking computers and the want of people to have access to everything should they need it
    Self-driving cars - something that's starting to be implemented, but not a new idea
    Private space flight - we already had space flight
    Crowd funding - I won't count asking people for donations on their web site as the same thing, so I think this may be new.
    Growing body parts - an old idea that we're starting to figure out how to do
    Mars exploration - similar to exploring the moon, just harder to get there
    Discovery of planets around other starts - Only stupid people think other planets don't exist. Though we can detect them better. I don't know the tech behind that.

    Something original and innovative as far as I know: Using a basic camera to detect skin color variation in order to calculate heart beats and changes in blood flow

  94. it's not quite so easy by Goldsmith · · Score: 2

    The problems of poor education and inefficient military bureaucracy are not solvable by a clever program or a nifty piece of hardware. Entrepreneurship is not a welcome trait in many facets of our society. These are deep cultural differences.

    Solving these types of problems takes a lot more than 2-3 years of work, no matter how inspired it may be. The young people getting into civil service today have 10 years before they're going to be able to make changes. It's going to take patience, stubbornness and a superhuman resistance to cynicism for these young staffers and bureaucrats to solve these problems.

  95. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

    Life is boring.

    It depends on your perspective. Almost all innovation builds on what we already know. That doesn't mean it's not innovative. It just that it might take several years to realize there is progress.

    Discovery of planets around other starts - Only stupid people think other planets don't exist. Though we can detect them better. I don't know the tech behind that.

    The Kepler space telescope could detect light pixels from stars. Over time scientists mapped the intensity of those pixels. If they see a drop in intensity at regular intervals, that indicates a planet passing in front of the star. The Kepler itself is now broken but there is still enough data to sort through for at least 2 years. And there is another telescope planned.

  96. Drugs can't be the only way. by danaris · · Score: 1

    It's not very brilliant, but it's a matter of law that both drug abusers and the mentally ill have a right to refuse treatment, and unless you can pin a sufficient criminal act on the former, or demonstrate a danger to society of the latter, then there's no way to force treatment.

    It's also one thing to take a mentally ill person and medicate them to the point that they are stable enough that you are required to release them, and entirely another to implant them with a Norplant-type device to continue to administer corrective drugs after they've been released from protective custody. The second one is illegal enforcement of treatment after termination of medical power of attorney.

    Then perhaps what we need is to find better ways of curing mental illness—ways that don't depend on potentially very dangerous pharmaceuticals, discovered almost purely through trial and error, that have serious, unpleasant, well-known side effects, and require you to pay the pharmaceutical industry for the privilege of continuing to live a normal life, for the rest of your life.

    Dan Aris

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    Fun. Free. Online. RPG. BattleMaster.
  97. message to author. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sir are a communist.

  98. Re:That's her name you xenophobic shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you care?

  99. Re:Counter Argument: Invisible Hand. Wisdom of Cro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Individuals' efforts to maximize their own gains

    People generally suck at maximizing their own gains.

  100. Why it doesn't happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The things that make the world a better place require lots of capital. No VC in their right mind is going to invest in a 3 year+ payoff when the next Angry Birds app can reap dividends in 3 months.

    If the rich don't want to pay for it, it doesn't happen. Have fun.

  101. Re:That's her name you xenophobic shit by pla · · Score: 1

    Yes. Yes, I do care.

    English has rules for when letters can appear adjacent to one another. Although it may have some flexibility when it comes to one or two "n"s in a row, it unambiguously never has two leading "n"s.

    If nothing more, I would call this a transliteration fail. Your native language has pointlessly duplicated consonants? Hey, I have no problem with that. But if you want to spell it with Latin characters rather than Nko? Well... "When in Rome..."

  102. BOOBS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with the article.
    Why aren't all these smart people working on ways to make porn download faster?
    Or something.

  103. in my defense, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am worried about my heaving underwear, not the "heaving underclass"

  104. smart people doing dumb stuff by Descalzo · · Score: 1

    I thought the story was going to be about slashdot comments.

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    I cried real tears when Li Mu Bai died.
  105. What is Useful? by IndieVoter · · Score: 1

    I find some of these conversations amazing. Innovation is always messy. At each major 'stall' point in Silicon Valley, some non-STEM 'expert', usually a PhD in Gender Studies, rants about how we are greedy and should be creating useful items for 'society'. Capitalism works just fine as it is. You waste massive resources getting to a point were there is a major breakthrough. Those breakthroughs benefit society as a whole far more than anyone could predict. It is always messy getting to that point. The bizarre business plans being thrown out now are the floatsam of third and four rate ideas from Facebook wannabes. That is fine. 99% will fail, which maps well into the 99% of PC companies, Windows 3.1 applications, Ethernet card vendors, CD-ROM content companies, ISPs, and MP3 player companies that also failed in their day. Social problems cannot be fixed by moving resources from Facebook for Cats. Change happens when both sides agree it is needed and work toward a common goal. Now, the only common issue is Looting'. One side wants to protect what it worked hard for, the other side wants it without working for it.

  106. Heaving underclass by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't the "heaving underclass" fix its own problems, and not rely on the "smart people" fixing them for them? Isn't that condescending?

    1. Re:Heaving underclass by neminem · · Score: 1

      Because fixing problems generally takes not only smarts (which could occur anywhere), but also usually piles of *money*, which by definition are not usually found in the underclass.

  107. One idea to empower them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the most important 'ideas' or bits of knowledge, that will cause people to become borderline outcasts these days, is the very one that can solve this entire problem:
    Private banks create money when they give out loans (95+% of the money in the economy is made up of this debt-based money), but government can create money too, which is not based on debt (thus when government spends it, or invests it, it does not need to be paid back or turn a profit, allowing the funding of unprofitable but 'meaningful' work).

    This government created money can be used to fund any kind of real meaningful work that you can think of, but this spending is limited by inflation (once an inflation target is hit, no more spending would occur).

    Since the rate of inflation depends upon the current rate of economic activity (spending isn't inflationary, so long as it is spent on increasing economic activity, and avoiding resource limits), and since that depends on the current level of employment, this means you can have permanent full employment through government spending like this, before you have to stop spending due to inflation.

    This allows government to squeeze the maximum potential out of the economy, and if government wants to take labour away from the private sector, to put towards more 'meaningful' work (that may be unprofitable for the private sector, but is perfectly fundable with non-debt-based money), then government can utilize taxes to deflate the private sector by a small enough amount, to make enough workers available for the more 'meaningful' government-funded work.

    This is stuff the Chartalist/Post-Keynesian crowd, including economists like William K. Black and Steve Keen, describe and advocate.

    These views tend to make people outcasts though, mainly because people judge it based on todays empirically-false neoclassical economic theory, and because 'the right' hold a virtual monopoly over economic theory in academia, and use this to try and suppress these much more progressive economic views.

  108. Most of the responses indicate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the responses indicate they never even read the article beginning to end, and that respondents generally have ZERO critical reading or thinking skills.

  109. WHY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Minecraft being at the top of the list.

  110. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Minecraft is exceedingly derivative.

  111. I responded to the author by undeadbill · · Score: 1

    Here is my response that I also posted on the originating site:

    Maybe you could fix that.

    Right. Back. At. YOU.

    For someone who has a degree focusing on Entrepreneurship and Innovation from MIT, you don’t seem to know the first rule of the startup: You find the problem, you fix the problem, because it is now *your* problem.

    Now, here is some advice from someone who daily rubs elbows with all of those statistics you allude to in your article- the people you think can solve the problem will never solve the problem. They can’t, because they will never have the kind of empathy necessary to understand the problem. They can’t, because most of them have never had a welfare Christmas, they don’t have friends suffering from missing limbs, faces, or PTSD, and they simply never have to choose between gas to get to work or food for the baby. They have never had to consider divorce as a means of securing food and shelter for their wife and child.

    There are people doing the things you think aren’t happening. Maybe you don’t value their efforts very much, because they don’t hail from the kinds of schools you think churn out “the right people” who solve problems. Maybe they don’t have the kind of solutions you would like to see. Have you ever considered that the 20-30 something graduates from top tier schools have simply been educated to perpetuate the very problems you are railing against? Do you really think that a rarified pedigree somehow confers better problem solving skills? You would be surprised how many of those people are remarkably average when it comes to solving problems they haven’t been educated to solve. And you are telling them to think out of the box really?

    I’m a forty something miscegenated veteran, and son of a single working mother, who has been on the ground floor of launching two successful startups. I currently work to cut the IT overhead of state projects to that our tax dollars can go a little farther. I also work on small local projects because most of the problems you describe can only be solved at a local level. I do that because even with indiegogo, kickstarter, kiva, and other fiscal incubators, it is damned difficult to get funding off the ground for those kinds of projects. That problem is being solved, however, but not by MIT or Stanford. There are plenty of small tech incubators sprouting up all over the country, and a good part of their efforts are focused on solving these exact problems you bring up. Now, since you have expertise in finance and entrepreneurship, or so you claim, maybe *you* can solve the problem of getting cash into the hands of local developers who are working to resolve some of these issues.

    I mean, in ways other than vilifying your peers and denigrating your target audience. You know, as in having some measurable results, from your direct action.

  112. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    linux on the desktop? Hah, no but seriously I was sitting in my living room two nights ago, a kindle, chromebook, openbsd laptop, and an android phone. It's basically a four screen setup with two touchscreens and two keyboards and yeah, my desktop might not play all the videos I come across on the web, but I've got something around that does.

  113. It's the Stupocalypse by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    There are just too many stupid people in society today, so the smrt people feel they need to cater to them.

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    I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
  114. sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The underclass cannot be helped. They are where they are because they were too stupid and/or didn't give a damn to bother learning anything in school. Why? Because their parents didn't either. Unless you're advocating for mandatory sterilization of these individuals, nothing is really going to be done. Why? Because the underclass is a captive audience for politicians who con them into supporting "solutions" that keep them dependent on government and those same politicians. It should be a crime against humanity for the "help" that has been used against people, not to mention the trillions wasted in the process.

  115. Re:Too Many Smart People Chasing Too Many Dumb Ide by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    There's no reason for houses to have the inflated cost they do these days

    Other than supply and demand. Houses cost a lot because they require a lot of material, labor, and exacting regulations. The land they're on is usually not cheap. Then add on to that the demand for the area -- if you have more people who want to buy houses than there are houses to sell, home prices will drift up until they meet.

  116. It's more or less in the best interests.... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Then perhaps what we need is to find better ways of curing mental illness—ways that don't depend on potentially very dangerous pharmaceuticals, discovered almost purely through trial and error, that have serious, unpleasant, well-known side effects, and require you to pay the pharmaceutical industry for the privilege of continuing to live a normal life, for the rest of your life.

    Dan Aris

    It's more or less in the best interests of the pharmacology industry to offer treatments, rather than cures. The diabetes model gives an ongoing revenue stream, compared to a cure, which immediately stops revenue.

    If, for example, someone was to actually come out with a cure for AIDS, it would piss a lot of companies off.

    1. Re:It's more or less in the best interests.... by danaris · · Score: 1

      Then perhaps what we need is to find better ways of curing mental illness—ways that don't depend on potentially very dangerous pharmaceuticals, discovered almost purely through trial and error, that have serious, unpleasant, well-known side effects, and require you to pay the pharmaceutical industry for the privilege of continuing to live a normal life, for the rest of your life.

      Dan Aris

      It's more or less in the best interests of the pharmacology industry to offer treatments, rather than cures. The diabetes model gives an ongoing revenue stream, compared to a cure, which immediately stops revenue.

      If, for example, someone was to actually come out with a cure for AIDS, it would piss a lot of companies off.

      Oh, well, yes, that's obvious.

      I was more or less meaning that we as a society should start demanding something better, rather than that there was any good reason for Big Pharma to change their ways.

      Dan Aris

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      Fun. Free. Online. RPG. BattleMaster.
  117. Who's to Say These Apps are Frivolous? by Pherdnut · · Score: 1

    If there's somebody who actually enjoys fart pianos, I think it's better that we keep them from doing anything that might have actual impact in the world. Fart piano devs create an invaluable service.