Regarding the alarm bug... I notice that user is in Australia, and we started daylight saving at 2am last night... related?
Damn, that joke never gets old. Neither MS nor Apple can figure out how to handle time in 2012? Wow.
alias dst='zdump -v Canada/Mountain | grep 2012' (0) kiak/home/keeling_ dst Canada/Mountain Sun Mar 11 08:59:59 2012 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2012 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200 Canada/Mountain Sun Mar 11 09:00:00 2012 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2012 MDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600 Canada/Mountain Sun Nov 4 07:59:59 2012 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2012 MDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600 Canada/Mountain Sun Nov 4 08:00:00 2012 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2012 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
Yes, Apple with a bag of actual patents to abuse would make everyone happy...
Just sayin': not me. I don't give a rat's ass what Apple or Google are up to, nor do I use either in any way. With a gun at my head, I admit I'd choose Android, but I'd root it before I trusted it enough to actually use it.
My father died of lung cancer, almost certainly because he smoked cigarettes for 35+ years.
Condolences. What'd he think about it? He chose to do it. Are you saying he was wrong to do so? You presume to choose that right over your father's wishes? Chutzpah. So, no "honour thy father and mother" then?
Smoking is a stupid self-destructive habit that is actively enjoyed by the lower classes (and the French who are very good at denial ).
Uh huh. So, I'm a knuckle dragger, suicidal, obviously poorly (if at all) educated, and possibly French. $DEITY, you're a condescending bigot! Thanks for your honesty.
... making it a huge hassle to smoke...
Oh thanks. Don't we all need more taxes, bureaucracy, yada, yada. I'm sure I do.:-P
... preventing non-smokers from being subjected to second-hand smoke...
You presume we subject you to second hand smoke. Many do, I'll admit. Not all do. Lots of non-smokers are slobs and litterbugs too. KILL US ALL!!! Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
... can only be a good thing.
Be careful what you wish for.
If I knew you smoked and you were looking to work in my company I would find some other reason not to hire you ( in order to avoid some bullshit legal action you might try to perpetrate ) but your smoking would be the real reason I wouldn't hire you.
I'd much prefer if you just asked outright, "Do you smoke?" I'd say yes, and waste no more of our time.
I think this may be one of those "correlation is not causation" thingies. I've had lots of non-smoker bosses/supervisors, but I've also found that just about everyone of them, when I said I wanted to go for a smoke, they wanted to go with me for the break, for fresh air, to think, to talk, to go for a walk, to plan...
I've never had a boss/supervisor express resentment about my smoking. Most of them welcome the break as much as me. I welcome their company. We both return refreshed in our own way determined upon a new manner in which to slay the dragon we share. Woohoo!
Do I give a rat's ass what you think? No. If you've been here that long, you must be aware of the yro category, yes? An entire state wants to make it illegal for people like me to work there, because of one of my habits which affects no-one but me. Not only is that stupid but it's none of their damned business. If they get away with this, what's next? Extreme sports? Dangerous drivers? Skateboarders? Haven't been to church recently? Unprotected sex? Stay at home Moms? Unnecessary cosmetics or extreme hairstyles or body piercing?
The shitty things "the state" decides to worry about on any given day is always worth watching. YMMV. HAND.
... and I wish they'd ban cube radios playing country music too...
That's an interesting point. Non-smokers tend to despise getting even a whiff of tobacco. Well, I tend to feel the same way about *a lot* of what you people think is music.
One's olfactory, one's auditory; two different senses. Imagine if your mp3 player was taxed out the wazoo because someone like me convinced a politician to get on the bandwagon.
You like rap or C&W? Unemployable. Don't tell me music isn't cancerous. It's worse. Bad music rots your mind!
Why? What's it to you? Good for the other guy if that's what he wants to do, but why do you care?
Because he was making a bad decision for years...
Says you. I think deciding to go mountain climbing would be a bad decision. Or watching NFL instead of MLB, or watching Survivor over NCIS.
You guys put so much effort into hating smoking, and I can't understand why. It reeks of "Dog in A Manger-ism." I'm not inflicting my "habit" on any of you, yet you feel perfectly justified in outlawing it and taxing it to death and making me unemployable because of it in Florida's case, for my own good.
I don't need anyone to protect me from myself, thanks. I would hope you'd all feel the same.
Why are you climbing all over me over something that's got nothing to do with you?
You're going to act all offended when somebody replies to you?
When you call me "stinky", I believe you're asking for it. I don't go around telling people their taste in clothes or music stinks. I keep my opinions to myself until someone asks. We all do some things that someone doesn't appreciate.
I understand it. We're the new pariahs. One day, it's witchcraft, the next it's smoking. We're funny that way. Do we always have to go the "Red Scare" (House UnAmerican Activities Committee, HUAC) way?
Fear mongering, paranoia, zero tolerance,... Shouldn't we be posthumously revoking Sir Walter Raleigh's knighthood? He got us onto this. Good thing we wiped out all those American Indians; fscking tobacco pushers.
You don't enjoy smoking, you enjoying stopping the intense craving your nicotine addiction causes.
How the hell do you know? No, I don't experience any intense craving for nicotine. I've often found myself forced to go for days without. I don't end up climbing the walls with a "Heroin Jones."
Wow. Maybe you should cut down on your white sugar intake. You may be halucinating.
I think you should should quit smoking because is expensive
Not my fault. Blame that on yourself and your toady politicos.
unhealthy
Irrelevant. Life in general irrevocably leads to death eventually.
smelly, and ugly.
In your opinion. I promise I'll stay down wind and try to stay out of sight.
As for the things you do that disgust me, where shall we start, hmm?
It is your right to do stupid things as long as they don't directly harm others.
Ah, thank you for that concession. That's really all I ask.
If you ever decide to quit, be wary of this... I don't have a good solution - I'm just counting on that it'll get easier with time.
It's all just willpower. You made your decision. Stick to it. You'll be tempted to fall back. You made your decision. DON'T fall back!
Done. Bon chance. If you do fall back, TRY AGAIN. Eventually, it'll sink in. I'm a smoker, and even I know this. Stick to your guns if that's what you want.
You should reread it and then explain why you're not suffering from some strange psychological pathology. It sounds a lot like how the Nazis justified their hatred of Jews, how Crusaders justified invading Palestine, how the Israelis justify building settlements on Palestinian land,...
You're an addict. You need help. I hope that one day you do yourself and your loved ones a service and get help for it.
You're an offensive, overly opinionated mini-tyrant who can't keep yourself from sticking your nose into other people's business, because it offends you. I hope that one day...
My biggest problem with smokers and their smoke breaks is that many companies don't extend the same paid breaks to non-smokers.
Yet all the newage workplace behaviourists are telling us all to take breaks, get up and walk around, get a bit of exercise at your desk from time to time, yada, yada. One of my buddies grabbed an elevator to the first floor then climbed the stairs back to work. She looks and feel great now for it.
Test passed. Yes, I smoke now, because I like to smoke.
Uh huh, "Test passed". So you actively took up a habit again that is bad for your health, stinky, and expensive because you like it, but no sir, you are not addicted in any way.
You say that like it's a bad thing.:-| There is no more adamant non-$blah, than a reformed $blah.:-)
Good for you. You didn't want to smoke anymore, and you taught yourself not to. More power to you. Honest. I admire willpower.
However, that's got nothing to do with me. Why are you climbing all over me over something that's got nothing to do with you? You won your battle with it. Good! I don't consider it a problem, *for me*. Why the resentment?
Your argument amounts to the trite, "I can quit anytime, but I don't want to."
I'm not arguing or campaigning. I'm just stating my position. The best expression of it I've heard of it was (yeah, yeah, I know) Ayn Rand's: "There is a spot of fire in a man's mind, and it is fitting that it be reflected on his fingertips."
"Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King
I promise to stay downwind of you, and out of sight so I won't tempt you. Can't you leave me alone to wallow in my (in your view) misery? Why not? How's it a threat to you?
Our view of 'reality' is hardly complete, and is highly distorted.
You should read up on Samuel Johnston(sp?). Specifically, "I refute it thus!"
tl;dr: We work with what we've got. We don't need *perfect* and *complete*. We just need enough to work with, which is what we were (usually) gifted with by right of birth. Plato's noumenal vs. phenomenal view holds no weight with me.
I can't see infrared or ultraviolet, but usually we don't need to, and they'd likely get in the way of lots of things that are more important day to day. I only need to know if a predator is bearing down on me. I don't need to know what its temperature is, or what its last meal was.
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Now that was truly cool. Thanks.
Sorry, "dst" is actually:
alias dst="zdump -v Canada/Mountain | grep $(date '+%Y')"
FWIW.
Regarding the alarm bug... I notice that user is in Australia, and we started daylight saving at 2am last night... related?
Damn, that joke never gets old. Neither MS nor Apple can figure out how to handle time in 2012? Wow.
alias dst='zdump -v Canada/Mountain | grep 2012' /home/keeling_ dst
(0) kiak
Canada/Mountain Sun Mar 11 08:59:59 2012 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2012 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
Canada/Mountain Sun Mar 11 09:00:00 2012 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2012 MDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600
Canada/Mountain Sun Nov 4 07:59:59 2012 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2012 MDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600
Canada/Mountain Sun Nov 4 08:00:00 2012 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2012 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
"ImBECiles. Ultra-maroons!" -- Bugs Bunny.
Yes, Apple with a bag of actual patents to abuse would make everyone happy ...
Just sayin': not me. I don't give a rat's ass what Apple or Google are up to, nor do I use either in any way. With a gun at my head, I admit I'd choose Android, but I'd root it before I trusted it enough to actually use it.
My father died of lung cancer, almost certainly because he smoked cigarettes for 35+ years.
Condolences. What'd he think about it? He chose to do it. Are you saying he was wrong to do so? You presume to choose that right over your father's wishes? Chutzpah. So, no "honour thy father and mother" then?
Smoking is a stupid self-destructive habit that is actively enjoyed by the lower classes (and the French who are very good at denial ).
Uh huh. So, I'm a knuckle dragger, suicidal, obviously poorly (if at all) educated, and possibly French. $DEITY, you're a condescending bigot! Thanks for your honesty.
... making it a huge hassle to smoke ...
Oh thanks. Don't we all need more taxes, bureaucracy, yada, yada. I'm sure I do. :-P
... preventing non-smokers from being subjected to second-hand smoke ...
You presume we subject you to second hand smoke. Many do, I'll admit. Not all do. Lots of non-smokers are slobs and litterbugs too. KILL US ALL!!! Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
... can only be a good thing.
Be careful what you wish for.
If I knew you smoked and you were looking to work in my company I would find some other reason not to hire you ( in order to avoid some bullshit legal action you might try to perpetrate ) but your smoking would be the real reason I wouldn't hire you.
I'd much prefer if you just asked outright, "Do you smoke?" I'd say yes, and waste no more of our time.
I think I made more money from non-smokers.
I think this may be one of those "correlation is not causation" thingies. I've had lots of non-smoker bosses/supervisors, but I've also found that just about everyone of them, when I said I wanted to go for a smoke, they wanted to go with me for the break, for fresh air, to think, to talk, to go for a walk, to plan ...
I've never had a boss/supervisor express resentment about my smoking. Most of them welcome the break as much as me. I welcome their company. We both return refreshed in our own way determined upon a new manner in which to slay the dragon we share. Woohoo!
Do I really give a fuck? No.
Do I give a rat's ass what you think? No. If you've been here that long, you must be aware of the yro category, yes? An entire state wants to make it illegal for people like me to work there, because of one of my habits which affects no-one but me. Not only is that stupid but it's none of their damned business. If they get away with this, what's next? Extreme sports? Dangerous drivers? Skateboarders? Haven't been to church recently? Unprotected sex? Stay at home Moms? Unnecessary cosmetics or extreme hairstyles or body piercing?
The shitty things "the state" decides to worry about on any given day is always worth watching. YMMV. HAND.
Tobacco users are actively making a choice to do something that is unquestionably unhealthy.
Have you seen the traffic fatality statistics recently? Do you ride a bicycle to work? On city streets?
Stretching a bit, are we? How's about we just do away with all homo sapiens? Wouldn't that solve the problem?
... and I wish they'd ban cube radios playing country music too ...
That's an interesting point. Non-smokers tend to despise getting even a whiff of tobacco. Well, I tend to feel the same way about *a lot* of what you people think is music.
One's olfactory, one's auditory; two different senses. Imagine if your mp3 player was taxed out the wazoo because someone like me convinced a politician to get on the bandwagon.
You like rap or C&W? Unemployable. Don't tell me music isn't cancerous. It's worse. Bad music rots your mind!
Why? What's it to you? Good for the other guy if that's what he wants to do, but why do you care?
Because he was making a bad decision for years ...
Says you. I think deciding to go mountain climbing would be a bad decision. Or watching NFL instead of MLB, or watching Survivor over NCIS.
You guys put so much effort into hating smoking, and I can't understand why. It reeks of "Dog in A Manger-ism." I'm not inflicting my "habit" on any of you, yet you feel perfectly justified in outlawing it and taxing it to death and making me unemployable because of it in Florida's case, for my own good.
I don't need anyone to protect me from myself, thanks. I would hope you'd all feel the same.
So you wouldn't mind if I decide to carry a skunk and spray you every time you walked past me?
Holy hyperbole, Batman!
Smoking is of course fine in your own home, but in public places your right to smoke (should) end at my nose, hair, lung and clothes.
Am I allowed to fart while you're on the same planet as me?
If the smoke coming out of a factory smelled as bad and was as toxic as cigarette smoke, the factory would be shut down.
Yet we all put up with those multi-ton monsters screaming all over the place spitting out Carbon Monoxide & etc. Because, ...
... a factually unhealthy and selfish habit ...
Jeebus, listen to yourself.
That smoking is stinky or bad for your health is more a matter of fact than opinion.
And again. I loved the smell of Turkish tobacco and Cuban cigars long before I took up smoking myself. Fact.
Why are you climbing all over me over something that's got nothing to do with you?
You're going to act all offended when somebody replies to you?
When you call me "stinky", I believe you're asking for it. I don't go around telling people their taste in clothes or music stinks. I keep my opinions to myself until someone asks. We all do some things that someone doesn't appreciate.
That's a nice expression for a filthy habit ...
There you go again. Twist the knife.
You need to calm down, maybe you should take up smoking...
Funny guy. :-) I'm calm. Sorry for the ALL CAPS in my post, which is probably what made me look otherwise. It's an interesting discussion.
I understand it. We're the new pariahs. One day, it's witchcraft, the next it's smoking. We're funny that way. Do we always have to go the "Red Scare" (House UnAmerican Activities Committee, HUAC) way?
Fear mongering, paranoia, zero tolerance, ... Shouldn't we be posthumously revoking Sir Walter Raleigh's knighthood? He got us onto this. Good thing we wiped out all those American Indians; fscking tobacco pushers.
You don't enjoy smoking, you enjoying stopping the intense craving your nicotine addiction causes.
How the hell do you know? No, I don't experience any intense craving for nicotine. I've often found myself forced to go for days without. I don't end up climbing the walls with a "Heroin Jones."
Wow. Maybe you should cut down on your white sugar intake. You may be halucinating.
I think you should should quit smoking because is expensive
Not my fault. Blame that on yourself and your toady politicos.
unhealthy
Irrelevant. Life in general irrevocably leads to death eventually.
smelly, and ugly.
In your opinion. I promise I'll stay down wind and try to stay out of sight.
As for the things you do that disgust me, where shall we start, hmm?
It is your right to do stupid things as long as they don't directly harm others.
Ah, thank you for that concession. That's really all I ask.
Q.E.D.
If you ever decide to quit, be wary of this... I don't have a good solution - I'm just counting on that it'll get easier with time.
It's all just willpower. You made your decision. Stick to it. You'll be tempted to fall back. You made your decision. DON'T fall back!
Done. Bon chance. If you do fall back, TRY AGAIN. Eventually, it'll sink in. I'm a smoker, and even I know this. Stick to your guns if that's what you want.
What a screed. :-O
You should reread it and then explain why you're not suffering from some strange psychological pathology. It sounds a lot like how the Nazis justified their hatred of Jews, how Crusaders justified invading Palestine, how the Israelis justify building settlements on Palestinian land, ...
You're an addict. You need help. I hope that one day you do yourself and your loved ones a service and get help for it.
You're an offensive, overly opinionated mini-tyrant who can't keep yourself from sticking your nose into other people's business, because it offends you. I hope that one day ...
My biggest problem with smokers and their smoke breaks is that many companies don't extend the same paid breaks to non-smokers.
Yet all the newage workplace behaviourists are telling us all to take breaks, get up and walk around, get a bit of exercise at your desk from time to time, yada, yada. One of my buddies grabbed an elevator to the first floor then climbed the stairs back to work. She looks and feel great now for it.
Test passed. Yes, I smoke now, because I like to smoke.
Uh huh, "Test passed". So you actively took up a habit again that is bad for your health, stinky, and expensive because you like it, but no sir, you are not addicted in any way.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-| There is no more adamant non-$blah, than a reformed $blah. :-)
Good for you. You didn't want to smoke anymore, and you taught yourself not to. More power to you. Honest. I admire willpower.
However, that's got nothing to do with me. Why are you climbing all over me over something that's got nothing to do with you? You won your battle with it. Good! I don't consider it a problem, *for me*. Why the resentment?
Your argument amounts to the trite, "I can quit anytime, but I don't want to."
I'm not arguing or campaigning. I'm just stating my position. The best expression of it I've heard of it was (yeah, yeah, I know) Ayn Rand's: "There is a spot of fire in a man's mind, and it is fitting that it be reflected on his fingertips."
"Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King
I promise to stay downwind of you, and out of sight so I won't tempt you. Can't you leave me alone to wallow in my (in your view) misery? Why not? How's it a threat to you?
Our view of 'reality' is hardly complete, and is highly distorted.
You should read up on Samuel Johnston(sp?). Specifically, "I refute it thus!"
tl;dr: We work with what we've got. We don't need *perfect* and *complete*. We just need enough to work with, which is what we were (usually) gifted with by right of birth. Plato's noumenal vs. phenomenal view holds no weight with me.
I can't see infrared or ultraviolet, but usually we don't need to, and they'd likely get in the way of lots of things that are more important day to day. I only need to know if a predator is bearing down on me. I don't need to know what its temperature is, or what its last meal was.