They stink up the office, sometimes blocking the door open because, while they are able to carry a pack, lighter, and cell phone, they can't carry keys. They litter (even though there's a butt-receptacle), and I can't open my office window because of the smoke.
You should be complaining about their slobbery, not smoking. I'm a smoker, and I think that sort of behaviour is disgusting.
Our "habits" don't have to inconvenience others. Off-roaders don't have to tear up the countryside. Bad drivers should contain themselves to race tracks. Nose pickers should do it when they're alone. The religious should do it in their darkened basements alone.
I won't apologize for others' bad behaviour, but that's what you should be offended by, not my "habit".
Well I'm addicted to caffeine, my nephew is addicted to world of warcraft. My dad's addicted to hard work, he can't relax.
That first line was probably intended as sarcasm, but instead, it's just a sad description of a family with addictive personalities.
Or maybe, somebody's overloading the meaning of the word addiction. How about habit instead? I habitually eat all the broken pretzels in the bag first. Why? I don't know. I knew a guy once who saved all the blue Smarties in a box in the fridge for later. Why? Haven't a clue.
Maybe we all have some shade of OCD of varying amplitude or severity.
Florida's politicians, in cahoots with their petty tyrants on the street, want to outlaw my form of the condition. Yours will be next buddy, I promise you.
Wow, it took 7 whole minutes for a fallacious slippery-slope comment to appear.
Only three more minutes for your fallacious fallacious slippery-slope comment to appear. I smell a trend.
Go read a history book and learn about all the things that have been tried to be taken away from others over the centuries, and how well that worked, and what their affects on everything related were. I'll wait.
Just because you understand there is a cost doesn't make you a bigot or tyrant.
Not understanding that *everything* has costs is what makes you a bigot. Lots of employers have inconvenienced women for millennia for wanting time off to raise a family. How about that nutcase religious person who demands a day off to go to worship, every frigging week? Or the guy who wants TWO WHOLE DAYS PER WEEK TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY?!?
Compared to those, you think my smoking imposes on you?!? Really? If so, you've a fairly twisted set of priorities.
If YOU smoke near me, it makes MY clothes and hair stink, and it gets into MY lungs and damages them.
First, as I mentioned elsewhere here, I don't smoke near non-smokers. I am well aware of how intolerant you people can be.
Secondly, I do not believe for a second all the BS I hear about second hand smoking. What a crock of shit that is and how to stretch an idea! No, you don't smoke in a car full of kids with the windows rolled up, because why would anyone?!? I wouldn't pee in my Mom's coffee either, because why would anyone?!?
I say again, I can't speak for other smokers, but *my* 'habit' will not affect you anywhere near as much as some of your 'habits' affect me.
As a smoker, I truly wish that they would make smoking -- or at least the sale of cigarettes -- illegal. One of the big challenges in quitting is that it is so EASY to get another pack of cigarettes.
Bullshit! As a smoker myself, grab a backbone! Quitting takes willpower, that's all! Do you want to quit? Then quit, and stick to your decision! I've tried it, and it was easy. If you want to, really want to, you can too, but it'll take some fortitude on your part. No backing down! Run away! Don't go back!
Or just continue whining to us about your weak mindedness.
I care when less people smoke, because it means less foul stench wherever I go. If you want to smoke, go for it--but I'm wouldn't appreciate that you do if I were ever to meet you.
I can't speak for other smokers, but I do try to keep my habit away from others. I don't smoke indoors, I try to stay down wind or away from non-smokers, and I use breath mints.
I wish non-smokers were as considerate of the things I despise that they do.
I'll bet you've a lot of insufferably bad habits compared to my smoking, but you'll not see me on a pedestal complaining about them.
Probably because his habits don't make your clothes and hair smell like a rotting ashtray.
Neither of which have anything to do with you. I despise fat people and people who've not had a bath recently, and shitty drivers. I stay away from people like that. The sight of them disgusts me.
I don't go bawling to politicians to make them legal pariahs.
I agree, you cannot just start having employers start doing this. Make it illegal or make it illegal to hire/fire based on it.
What's your favourite pastime? How's about we outlaw that instead? I'll guess computer gaming, or target shooting, or mountain climbing. How do you feel now? Are we justified in forcing you to stop? Why not?
Exactly. I used to buy smokes for my Mom when I was a kid. $0.35 / pack. Now, I pay ca. $10.00 / pack. She could supply her habit for a month on what I pay per day.
Don't tell me smokers are a drain on the economy or health care system. We've paid an inordinate share supporting both.
I smoked for over half of my life; and just quit two weeks ago
Well done Sir!
Why? What's it to you? Good for the other guy if that's what he wants to do, but why do you care?
I quit about a decade ago just to see if I could. With all of those like you screaming at me about it being so addictive and destructive, I decided I needed to test it out, so I dropped it cold turkey one morning. A day later, no cravings and it wasn't bothering me at all. After a month, still no problem. Test passed.
Yes, I smoke now, because I like to smoke. I don't much care what anyone else thinks about it. I'll bet you've a lot of insufferably bad habits compared to my smoking, but you'll not see me on a pedestal complaining about them. Those are your demons, not mine.
As for the health issues, I'm well aware I'm not going to live forever, nor are you. We're arguing about this over maybe extending our lives for a decade? What a pointless argument. There's a million other medical conditions that could step in and make the point moot at any time, and a million other ways to die in a much quicker and more horrible manner at any time.
Enjoy your life. You only get one of them. Make sure once is enough.
Forty these days is prime of life. Some go to post-100 with modern medicine and exercise regimens. It's not like it was a hundred thousand years ago when they could only expect to be old men at thirty.
I'm pushing 40 and I know as well as when I was 20 that tech is what I love to do and that's what I am going to do.
So true. I'm late 50's, and my best gig was in 2008. A year after that, I pulled off a brilliant four day perl hack. Find something you've been itching to bang your head against and go with it. You'll regardless be far ahead of the twenty-something know-nothings who barely speak English but will work long hours for peanuts. Then sell yourself on your strengths.
Either that, or enjoy IT as a hobby and retrain yourself in something that will pay the bills (I like Heavy Equipment Operator; big toys, good demand, decent wage, easily learned:-).
Then browsers should be enabled to enforce DNT when it's enabled...
If so, non-pay content providers will easily implement blocks for people who want to read their content without giving something in return.
Blocks, or pop-ups? I would have no problem whatsoever if a website popped up a window asking me to verify that I really want to go that way, and if I say yes they're welcome to refuse to serve me (TANSTAAFL).
There are too many shitty operators out there these days for me to trust one setting to cover them all. I try to be a good netizen. Whether they do too is a crapshoot. I'd let/. (so far) have access to pretty much anything. Others, not so much. Facebook, I don't go there. 4chan, fsck off!
I'd rather have an Android but will gladly go to the iPhone if it means getting a rocking phone that actually fits in my pocket and doesn't make me look like a dork.
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They stink up the office, sometimes blocking the door open because, while they are able to carry a pack, lighter, and cell phone, they can't carry keys. They litter (even though there's a butt-receptacle), and I can't open my office window because of the smoke.
You should be complaining about their slobbery, not smoking. I'm a smoker, and I think that sort of behaviour is disgusting.
Our "habits" don't have to inconvenience others. Off-roaders don't have to tear up the countryside. Bad drivers should contain themselves to race tracks. Nose pickers should do it when they're alone. The religious should do it in their darkened basements alone.
I won't apologize for others' bad behaviour, but that's what you should be offended by, not my "habit".
Well I'm addicted to caffeine, my nephew is addicted to world of warcraft. My dad's addicted to hard work, he can't relax.
That first line was probably intended as sarcasm, but instead, it's just a sad description of a family with addictive personalities.
Or maybe, somebody's overloading the meaning of the word addiction. How about habit instead? I habitually eat all the broken pretzels in the bag first. Why? I don't know. I knew a guy once who saved all the blue Smarties in a box in the fridge for later. Why? Haven't a clue.
Maybe we all have some shade of OCD of varying amplitude or severity.
Florida's politicians, in cahoots with their petty tyrants on the street, want to outlaw my form of the condition. Yours will be next buddy, I promise you.
Wow, it took 7 whole minutes for a fallacious slippery-slope comment to appear.
Only three more minutes for your fallacious fallacious slippery-slope comment to appear. I smell a trend.
Go read a history book and learn about all the things that have been tried to be taken away from others over the centuries, and how well that worked, and what their affects on everything related were. I'll wait.
Just because you understand there is a cost doesn't make you a bigot or tyrant.
Not understanding that *everything* has costs is what makes you a bigot. Lots of employers have inconvenienced women for millennia for wanting time off to raise a family. How about that nutcase religious person who demands a day off to go to worship, every frigging week? Or the guy who wants TWO WHOLE DAYS PER WEEK TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY?!?
Compared to those, you think my smoking imposes on you?!? Really? If so, you've a fairly twisted set of priorities.
Logically, a permanent death is as impossible as living forever in the same body.
Logically, "$(cat /dev/random > shakespear.txt)" will "work", but you'll have to wait a while.
Logic can't solve every problem. Reality is very often in the way.
If YOU smoke near me, it makes MY clothes and hair stink, and it gets into MY lungs and damages them.
First, as I mentioned elsewhere here, I don't smoke near non-smokers. I am well aware of how intolerant you people can be.
Secondly, I do not believe for a second all the BS I hear about second hand smoking. What a crock of shit that is and how to stretch an idea! No, you don't smoke in a car full of kids with the windows rolled up, because why would anyone?!? I wouldn't pee in my Mom's coffee either, because why would anyone?!?
I say again, I can't speak for other smokers, but *my* 'habit' will not affect you anywhere near as much as some of your 'habits' affect me.
As a smoker, I truly wish that they would make smoking -- or at least the sale of cigarettes -- illegal. One of the big challenges in quitting is that it is so EASY to get another pack of cigarettes.
Bullshit! As a smoker myself, grab a backbone! Quitting takes willpower, that's all! Do you want to quit? Then quit, and stick to your decision! I've tried it, and it was easy. If you want to, really want to, you can too, but it'll take some fortitude on your part. No backing down! Run away! Don't go back!
Or just continue whining to us about your weak mindedness.
Enjoy your life. You only get one of them.
I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but:
[citation needed]
I admire your optimism, but I don't hold out much hope that I'll be proven wrong. To reiterate, you only live once. Make sure once is enough.
I care when less people smoke, because it means less foul stench wherever I go. If you want to smoke, go for it--but I'm wouldn't appreciate that you do if I were ever to meet you.
I can't speak for other smokers, but I do try to keep my habit away from others. I don't smoke indoors, I try to stay down wind or away from non-smokers, and I use breath mints.
I wish non-smokers were as considerate of the things I despise that they do.
I'll bet you've a lot of insufferably bad habits compared to my smoking, but you'll not see me on a pedestal complaining about them.
Probably because his habits don't make your clothes and hair smell like a rotting ashtray.
Neither of which have anything to do with you. I despise fat people and people who've not had a bath recently, and shitty drivers. I stay away from people like that. The sight of them disgusts me.
I don't go bawling to politicians to make them legal pariahs.
I agree, you cannot just start having employers start doing this. Make it illegal or make it illegal to hire/fire based on it.
What's your favourite pastime? How's about we outlaw that instead? I'll guess computer gaming, or target shooting, or mountain climbing. How do you feel now? Are we justified in forcing you to stop? Why not?
Hiring any addict has costs, he will always have times where the only thing he can think is “where is my next fix”.
Generations of opium addicts have lead productive lives, raised grandchildren, and been otherwise exemplary citizens.
You're just another sort of bigot, or petty tyrant to be plain.
because gov't makes too much money off of it
Exactly. I used to buy smokes for my Mom when I was a kid. $0.35 / pack. Now, I pay ca. $10.00 / pack. She could supply her habit for a month on what I pay per day.
Don't tell me smokers are a drain on the economy or health care system. We've paid an inordinate share supporting both.
It has been proven that smoking is bad for you.
It's been proven that living and breathing is bad for you. You're going to die from them eventually.
Stupid argument.
I smoked for over half of my life; and just quit two weeks ago
Well done Sir!
Why? What's it to you? Good for the other guy if that's what he wants to do, but why do you care?
I quit about a decade ago just to see if I could. With all of those like you screaming at me about it being so addictive and destructive, I decided I needed to test it out, so I dropped it cold turkey one morning. A day later, no cravings and it wasn't bothering me at all. After a month, still no problem. Test passed.
Yes, I smoke now, because I like to smoke. I don't much care what anyone else thinks about it. I'll bet you've a lot of insufferably bad habits compared to my smoking, but you'll not see me on a pedestal complaining about them. Those are your demons, not mine.
As for the health issues, I'm well aware I'm not going to live forever, nor are you. We're arguing about this over maybe extending our lives for a decade? What a pointless argument. There's a million other medical conditions that could step in and make the point moot at any time, and a million other ways to die in a much quicker and more horrible manner at any time.
Enjoy your life. You only get one of them. Make sure once is enough.
What he said!!! Considering Microsoft hasn't managed to do a DST time change right yet!
I said nothing about "average life expectancy". :-)
Who says the /. moderation system doesn't work? Yes, it does! Suck it ACs!!!111
I'm reminded of greybeard Cobol programmers who're cleaning up demanding avaricious wages to maintain ancient COBOL programs these days.
"Your day will come!" :-)
40 is well into middle age.
Forty these days is prime of life. Some go to post-100 with modern medicine and exercise regimens. It's not like it was a hundred thousand years ago when they could only expect to be old men at thirty.
I'm pushing 40 and I know as well as when I was 20 that tech is what I love to do and that's what I am going to do.
So true. I'm late 50's, and my best gig was in 2008. A year after that, I pulled off a brilliant four day perl hack. Find something you've been itching to bang your head against and go with it. You'll regardless be far ahead of the twenty-something know-nothings who barely speak English but will work long hours for peanuts. Then sell yourself on your strengths.
Either that, or enjoy IT as a hobby and retrain yourself in something that will pay the bills (I like Heavy Equipment Operator; big toys, good demand, decent wage, easily learned :-).
To the mod, how the fuck is that flamebait unless you are on the payroll of the aforementioned companies?
"The mob is fickle, brother." -- Gladiator.
Then browsers should be enabled to enforce DNT when it's enabled ...
If so, non-pay content providers will easily implement blocks for people who want to read their content without giving something in return.
Blocks, or pop-ups? I would have no problem whatsoever if a website popped up a window asking me to verify that I really want to go that way, and if I say yes they're welcome to refuse to serve me (TANSTAAFL).
There are too many shitty operators out there these days for me to trust one setting to cover them all. I try to be a good netizen. Whether they do too is a crapshoot. I'd let /. (so far) have access to pretty much anything. Others, not so much. Facebook, I don't go there. 4chan, fsck off!
I'd rather have an Android but will gladly go to the iPhone if it means getting a rocking phone that actually fits in my pocket and doesn't make me look like a dork.
Too late.
Couldnt they go on strike the day(s) of the holiday, just return the next day and start working?
Nah. That'd mean double time and a half strike pay. It'd brick the union.