I want all those people banned, fired, tortured, etc.
Destroyed, perhaps? Now who could we call on short notice to destroy people...
MafiAA! They'll turn on anything, even mistakenly, even if it's not a threat to them. Tied up with lawyers for the rest of your life is the modern definition of a fate worse than death.
For practicioners, the web is a specific technological ecosystem backed by a specific set of protocols and a handful of major players.
Mostly true, but you're ignoring its most prevalent feature today. It's a system intent on selling eyeballs on page views. TBL had a vision, but what he envisioned isn't what the marketroids cared about.
It's a math operation. Don't assume we are talking about adding with a computer in code. We are talking about theoretical math. and 2 + 0.99999.... is an integer operation, because 0.999... repeating 9's forever, is an integer. It is 1.
Damn, you guys are arrogant. Think of some kid in grade five trying to make sense of this crap! 0.999... *is NOT* an integer!!!111
Or maybe math is just a bit more complicated than you'd prefer and having multiple ways of representing something is sometimes helpful?
Or maybe math, as performed by mathematicians, is a bit more contrived and ambiguous by design, and maybe you ought to think of reality from time to time? 0.999... != 1, FFS!
Yes, you can do almost magical things if you postulate stuff like the square root of -1, but what does it *really* mean other than filling in a blank in a contrived mind fuck of an equation?
I love math and wish I was a lot better at it, but assholes playing with 2+2=[56] are not helping at all. This stuff is supposed to be useful/informative, not confusing by design (cf. string theory).
hence there are infinite 9s, in which case this is accepted by orthodox mathematicians as being equal to the corresponding integer i.e. 0.99999... (recurring) = 1...
Which is insane. By its very existence, 0.99999... is not supposed to be equal to 1, else why have it in the first place?!?
I liked this world a lot more when I just had to dabble in philosophy, or then in specific tech implementations, or polysci,... When you guys insist on morphing them all together like this, it hurts my head.
0.99... is not supposed to equal 1. Mathematicians, bite my shiny metal ass.
2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.
But 2.99999[...] is an integer!
Did everybody just get a lot stupider overnight? dict integer:... (Or "whole number") One of the {finite} numbers in the infinite set..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3,... That "finite" and "whole number" ought to be screaming blue, bloody murder at you right now. This isn't even Math. It's Arithmetic!
If you're here, you ought to know that 2 + 0.99999... is not an Integer operation. Mix Integers with Floating Point and it becomes a float operation, to preserve accuracy.
How much work on the internet do we do outside normal HTTP/HTTPS protocols?
Who's "we"? If it's like an old friend of mine, Mike, IE is "The Internet", as in your AOL example.
On the other hand, if it's someone like me, you'll find me preferring wget over a web browser. I use ssh and scp a lot. I use ping and things like nslookup a lot. I much prefer mutt over any webmail client I've ever seen. I can surf over to the RISKS website to read their stuff, but Usenet's comp.risks in slrn is far preferable here.
We call web browsers "web browsers" because they browse the web. If something isn't webified (and face it, most of the Internet isn't), you'll get nowhere fast using a web browser on it.
As an engineer, I interpret the value 2 as anything that is usually and reasonably rounded off to 2...
Well you (and all these other idiots) should be ashamed. 2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.
You sound like a bunch of Cardinals discussing how many angels fit on the head of a pin. First you assume angels exist, and it all goes downhill from there.
Great, you're an engineer. Just don't touch anything!
Competition doesn't just mean that alternatives exist. They also have to be popular enough to matter.
"Popular" is overrated. Just because you're popular doesn't mean you matter. It doesn't mean "good." Windows and Apple are popular. So were Hitler and Stalin.
That seems fairly weird. Manning (allegedly) is the one whose conscience was in play
One could argue Manning simply wanted to screw over his employer.
Just as easily, one could argue that Manning saw stuff that he just couldn't stomach, and felt honour bound to do something about it.
I've been hitting the mute button for years any time Hillary Clinton shows up on the news. Manning was privy to her confidential emails. I'm pretty sure that would send me over the edge too.
Oh please, yourself. His imbecile bosses put him in the position that a disgruntled kid had the keys to the kingdom, after he'd already told them he didn't even want to play. All of this is CYA to the Nth degree on the part of "the authoritays!" I feel for the kid. He shouldn't have been so trusting, but kids are by definition not schooled in all potential betrayal vectors.
Yeah, he betrayed his oath of service, but I believe he was trying to do the right thing as he understood it. A soldier has an obligation to try to do the right thing if they can, and a lot of what they do leads them into very gray areas.
Too bad he's Bradley Manning instead of Jason Bourne.
I admire Assange. I despise Manning. House? He's on the positive end of that scale.
That seems fairly weird. Manning (allegedly) is the one whose conscience was in play. Manning decided his government was doing evil things and decided they needed to be outed. Assange designed the program that Manning (allegedly) used to do that. Manning (allegedly) did what Assange advocates, yet you admire the latter and despise the former?
Where did you find that moral code of yours? In a box of CrackerJacks?
The 1.5B screaming Chinese charging at the lines will be a bit effective as well.
That didn't work out all that well in Korea ca. sixty years ago, and weaponry has advanced quite a bit since then. That tactic is as obsolete now as those used in the US' War For Independence (static lines of infantrymen advancing on each other with single shot muskets and fixed bayonets).
The Spartans at Thermopylae were a heck of a lot more clued in than all those involved in the above.
Why do people persist in publishing text whose intended audience is the entire fucking world without bothering to make damned certain that at least grammar and spelling are correct?
[Hug.] All that's apparently deprecated, sort of like penmanship was last century, along with proofreading. Current generations are using cell-phone interfaces to communicate, after all.
We're expected to tolerate this while we still live and expire at our earliest opportunity.
People like to get paid for their creations, and put food on the table. A reasonable compromise would be 10 or 20 years... just long enough to cover the audio engineer/artist/musicians' labor on the song.
When I do work, if it's appreciated, I'm paid for it. Once. I don't get royalties based on the number of people that use it or the number of years it's used.
If you're a classical composer backed by a patron to produce a work, you'll be paid once for it and be grateful for the support.
It's funny that people attack RMS, and fail to acknowledge that the powers-that-be are pushing in, and succeeding in getting to, the polar opposite of his stance.
Richard, either by design or coincidence, is eminently attackable. Damned near everything about him screams eccentric.
As for those polar opposites, they're easy. Flash greenbacks at them and they're owned.
Funny how slashdot is up in arms over plagiarism and yet thinks (generally speaking) that pirating copyrighted material is for the common good.
Generally speaking, sweeping generalizations are always wrong. Every time a story shows up here touching on the issue, a very lively debate takes place between the Imaginary Property Maximalists and the Freetards. Those precious few such as myself who preach boycotts instead struggle to make ourselves heard.
its true, MS did the world a favour, but their time has come and gone and I guess the future of computing is "cloud"-connected consumer devices.
They may provide less power and flexibility, but that also means less viruses and general problems.
Wow. Can you set the bar any lower? Microsoft, the operating system company that brought you the richest malware welcoming environment in the history of computing, and you're running to cloud computing so you can continue to use it. Jobs' RDF has nothing on Microsoft's RDF.
There isn't a definition of innovation that people agree with.
Are you in marketing? Have you heard of dictionaries?
All they have to do for people to simply think they're innovative is to add some visual flair - which is decidedly non innovative - since almost every UI is based upon ideas that are familiar to users in one form or another.
Does Windows do multiple desktops yet? Can you imagine how long I've been able to enjoy using multiple desktops, with my choice du jour Window manager? Do Macs do this yet (I honestly don't know)?
FYI, I like this one (Wordnet):
2: being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before;
Note there's no value judgement there. Hitler was innovative, as was Stalin.
This is not a war, it's a political/legislative question where there is significant disagreement between the affected parties.
I don't agree. When a significant number of people are demonstrating in the streets and their elected representatives are voting overwhelmingly to shelve legislation of which they disapprove and the EC rep insists he's going to push it regardless of what either of them want, I'd say a de facto state of war has been declared. It's civil war and we're just waiting for the first shots to be fired. We've been told for centuries now that democracy is the best way for us all to deal with each other, but now special interests are determined to break that deal, and no matter who we vote in to represent us they end up doing just what the other guys were going to do. It's long passed time that all those people should have been smacked back into their place.
I'd prefer we just put the bums out of business (via boycotts), but that appears to be a non-starter. So be it. Vive la revolution! Line the streets with their heads on pikes!
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So, even a rudimentary text-mode web browser would be considered "visual" when compared with FTP, for example.
I think (it's been a while) "echo on" in ftp makes it go all visual.
And then some sons of ******* created abortions like CuteFTP, and the world went downhill from there.
Nobody has really cared about the distinction for the better part of the last decade.
Thank you for outing yourself as Part of The Problem. The next time httpd is fouling up, we'll know not to call on you.
I want all those people banned, fired, tortured, etc.
Destroyed, perhaps? Now who could we call on short notice to destroy people...
MafiAA! They'll turn on anything, even mistakenly, even if it's not a threat to them. Tied up with lawyers for the rest of your life is the modern definition of a fate worse than death.
For practicioners, the web is a specific technological ecosystem backed by a specific set of protocols and a handful of major players.
Mostly true, but you're ignoring its most prevalent feature today. It's a system intent on selling eyeballs on page views. TBL had a vision, but what he envisioned isn't what the marketroids cared about.
It's a math operation. Don't assume we are talking about adding with a computer in code. We are talking about theoretical math. and 2 + 0.99999.... is an integer operation, because 0.999... repeating 9's forever, is an integer. It is 1.
Damn, you guys are arrogant. Think of some kid in grade five trying to make sense of this crap! 0.999... *is NOT* an integer!!!111
Damnit. Jeebus!
Or maybe math is just a bit more complicated than you'd prefer and having multiple ways of representing something is sometimes helpful?
Or maybe math, as performed by mathematicians, is a bit more contrived and ambiguous by design, and maybe you ought to think of reality from time to time? 0.999... != 1, FFS!
Yes, you can do almost magical things if you postulate stuff like the square root of -1, but what does it *really* mean other than filling in a blank in a contrived mind fuck of an equation?
I love math and wish I was a lot better at it, but assholes playing with 2+2=[56] are not helping at all. This stuff is supposed to be useful/informative, not confusing by design (cf. string theory).
hence there are infinite 9s, in which case this is accepted by orthodox mathematicians as being equal to the corresponding integer i.e. 0.99999... (recurring) = 1 ...
Which is insane. By its very existence, 0.99999... is not supposed to be equal to 1, else why have it in the first place?!?
I liked this world a lot more when I just had to dabble in philosophy, or then in specific tech implementations, or polysci, ... When you guys insist on morphing them all together like this, it hurts my head.
0.99... is not supposed to equal 1. Mathematicians, bite my shiny metal ass.
Always been partial to intertubes.
You misspelled Intartubes.
2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.
But 2.99999[...] is an integer!
Did everybody just get a lot stupider overnight? ... (Or "whole number") One of the {finite} numbers in the infinite set ..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
dict integer:
That "finite" and "whole number" ought to be screaming blue, bloody murder at you right now. This isn't even Math. It's Arithmetic!
Whoosh!
0.999999..... = 1 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999... )
=> 2 + 0.99999.... = 2 + 1
If you're here, you ought to know that 2 + 0.99999... is not an Integer operation. Mix Integers with Floating Point and it becomes a float operation, to preserve accuracy.
I will not be hiring you to write code for me.
2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.
But 2.99999[...] is an integer!
Did everybody just get a lot stupider overnight?
dict integer:
integer
(Or "whole number") One of the {finite} numbers ..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
in the infinite set
That "finite" and "whole number" ought to be screaming blue, bloody murder at you right now. This isn't even Math. It's Arithmetic!
How much work on the internet do we do outside normal HTTP/HTTPS protocols?
Who's "we"? If it's like an old friend of mine, Mike, IE is "The Internet", as in your AOL example.
On the other hand, if it's someone like me, you'll find me preferring wget over a web browser. I use ssh and scp a lot. I use ping and things like nslookup a lot. I much prefer mutt over any webmail client I've ever seen. I can surf over to the RISKS website to read their stuff, but Usenet's comp.risks in slrn is far preferable here.
We call web browsers "web browsers" because they browse the web. If something isn't webified (and face it, most of the Internet isn't), you'll get nowhere fast using a web browser on it.
As an engineer, I interpret the value 2 as anything that is usually and reasonably rounded off to 2 ...
Well you (and all these other idiots) should be ashamed. 2+2=4 is obviously using Integers, and there is no 2.x in the set of Integers.
You sound like a bunch of Cardinals discussing how many angels fit on the head of a pin. First you assume angels exist, and it all goes downhill from there.
Great, you're an engineer. Just don't touch anything!
Competition doesn't just mean that alternatives exist. They also have to be popular enough to matter.
"Popular" is overrated. Just because you're popular doesn't mean you matter. It doesn't mean "good." Windows and Apple are popular. So were Hitler and Stalin.
That seems fairly weird. Manning (allegedly) is the one whose conscience was in play
One could argue Manning simply wanted to screw over his employer.
Just as easily, one could argue that Manning saw stuff that he just couldn't stomach, and felt honour bound to do something about it.
I've been hitting the mute button for years any time Hillary Clinton shows up on the news. Manning was privy to her confidential emails. I'm pretty sure that would send me over the edge too.
Oh, please. Manning was trying to be Mr. Hax0r.
Oh please, yourself. His imbecile bosses put him in the position that a disgruntled kid had the keys to the kingdom, after he'd already told them he didn't even want to play. All of this is CYA to the Nth degree on the part of "the authoritays!" I feel for the kid. He shouldn't have been so trusting, but kids are by definition not schooled in all potential betrayal vectors.
Yeah, he betrayed his oath of service, but I believe he was trying to do the right thing as he understood it. A soldier has an obligation to try to do the right thing if they can, and a lot of what they do leads them into very gray areas.
Too bad he's Bradley Manning instead of Jason Bourne.
I admire Assange. I despise Manning. House? He's on the positive end of that scale.
That seems fairly weird. Manning (allegedly) is the one whose conscience was in play. Manning decided his government was doing evil things and decided they needed to be outed. Assange designed the program that Manning (allegedly) used to do that. Manning (allegedly) did what Assange advocates, yet you admire the latter and despise the former?
Where did you find that moral code of yours? In a box of CrackerJacks?
The 1.5B screaming Chinese charging at the lines will be a bit effective as well.
That didn't work out all that well in Korea ca. sixty years ago, and weaponry has advanced quite a bit since then. That tactic is as obsolete now as those used in the US' War For Independence (static lines of infantrymen advancing on each other with single shot muskets and fixed bayonets).
The Spartans at Thermopylae were a heck of a lot more clued in than all those involved in the above.
Why do people persist in publishing text whose intended audience is the entire fucking world without bothering to make damned certain that at least grammar and spelling are correct?
[Hug.] All that's apparently deprecated, sort of like penmanship was last century, along with proofreading. Current generations are using cell-phone interfaces to communicate, after all.
We're expected to tolerate this while we still live and expire at our earliest opportunity.
People like to get paid for their creations, and put food on the table. A reasonable compromise would be 10 or 20 years... just long enough to cover the audio engineer/artist/musicians' labor on the song.
When I do work, if it's appreciated, I'm paid for it. Once. I don't get royalties based on the number of people that use it or the number of years it's used.
If you're a classical composer backed by a patron to produce a work, you'll be paid once for it and be grateful for the support.
You sound like an extortionist. Please die.
It's funny that people attack RMS, and fail to acknowledge that the powers-that-be are pushing in, and succeeding in getting to, the polar opposite of his stance.
Richard, either by design or coincidence, is eminently attackable. Damned near everything about him screams eccentric.
As for those polar opposites, they're easy. Flash greenbacks at them and they're owned.
Funny how slashdot is up in arms over plagiarism and yet thinks (generally speaking) that pirating copyrighted material is for the common good.
Generally speaking, sweeping generalizations are always wrong. Every time a story shows up here touching on the issue, a very lively debate takes place between the Imaginary Property Maximalists and the Freetards. Those precious few such as myself who preach boycotts instead struggle to make ourselves heard.
You're painting with way too wide a brush.
its true, MS did the world a favour, but their time has come and gone and I guess the future of computing is "cloud"-connected consumer devices.
They may provide less power and flexibility, but that also means less viruses and general problems.
Wow. Can you set the bar any lower? Microsoft, the operating system company that brought you the richest malware welcoming environment in the history of computing, and you're running to cloud computing so you can continue to use it. Jobs' RDF has nothing on Microsoft's RDF.
There isn't a definition of innovation that people agree with.
Are you in marketing? Have you heard of dictionaries?
All they have to do for people to simply think they're innovative is to add some visual flair - which is decidedly non innovative - since almost every UI is based upon ideas that are familiar to users in one form or another.
Does Windows do multiple desktops yet? Can you imagine how long I've been able to enjoy using multiple desktops, with my choice du jour Window manager? Do Macs do this yet (I honestly don't know)?
FYI, I like this one (Wordnet):
2: being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before;
Note there's no value judgement there. Hitler was innovative, as was Stalin.
Protip: Your understanding of "democracy" is completely fucked, and so is "The Republic For Which It Stands"...
What a supremely valueless post that is. You've no right to be quoting "protips" to anyone.
This is not a war, it's a political/legislative question where there is significant disagreement between the affected parties.
I don't agree. When a significant number of people are demonstrating in the streets and their elected representatives are voting overwhelmingly to shelve legislation of which they disapprove and the EC rep insists he's going to push it regardless of what either of them want, I'd say a de facto state of war has been declared. It's civil war and we're just waiting for the first shots to be fired. We've been told for centuries now that democracy is the best way for us all to deal with each other, but now special interests are determined to break that deal, and no matter who we vote in to represent us they end up doing just what the other guys were going to do. It's long passed time that all those people should have been smacked back into their place.
I'd prefer we just put the bums out of business (via boycotts), but that appears to be a non-starter. So be it. Vive la revolution! Line the streets with their heads on pikes!