Just decouple the onboard shard-frame from a USB-bearing-spindle and then re-couple it to the lookup table with a multivariate demodulator powered from the blinker fluid reserve tank next to the Turbo Encabulator girdle spring. But don't use the ones made of Amulite, use the old-style ones with the tremi pipe.
Look ladies, I'm happily married, but feel free to send me your provocative and/or tasteful nudes on the off chance I'll dump my lovely wife and jump ship to be with you*.
I mean, you DO have some greater-than-zero chance to get with a fine, vintage model like me, and (statistically speaking) probably a better chance than you do cold-calling Edward Snowden, so what the heck, give it a shot. You've nothing to lose and little to gain!
Lets see....cheaply-made products produced and sold with barely a nod to security, installed by users who are likely to be as clueless as they could possibly be, all connected to a worldwide network easily accessible by lots and lots and lots and lots of malicious people with too much time on their hands.
What could possibly go wrong??
Trust me, you ain't seen nothin' yet. I'd wager that 98% of all of these consumer-grade gadgets are going to be easily hackable in their default configuration. It's only a matter of time- eventually one of them will cause a serious injury or death, or at the very least some kind of significant property damage.
You want your refrigerator to be internet enabled? Great! But should it also have the unfettered ability to turn the temperature down and spoil all the food?
You want door locks you can control from the other side of the world? Great! But should any Joe Blow with a free hacking kit be able to unlock your doors at will?
You want to be able to remotely turn on your stove and start heating some water? Great! But should it blindly start "heating" a cardboard box left sitting on the burner because some dickhead in Moldavia can bypass your login?
You want an internet-enabled thermostat? Great! But should some malicious asshole be able to turn off your heat in the dead of winter when you're on vacation, freezing your house and causing your water pipes to burst?
Don't get me wrong- I think the overall idea of IoT is fascinating and holds great promise, but mark my words... like anything else it's gonna be abused too. Unfortunately I think it's going to take some major-league lawsuits before manufacturers start taking the security aspect of it seriously.
It's worse than it sounds....all the comments are about what if you find it, could you be liable, etc etc etc. That's one side of it, but here's the other side of it:
But what if someone else claims you found child porn on a computer and then says you didn't report it? How do you prove that you didn't find something?
"He had that laptop for weeks and was digging around in it, looking at all the files and directories...how could he have not seen it? He MUST have seen it but didn't report it..."
What if someone borrows/steals/buys a PC from you, puts child porn on there and then "discovers" it...and then they go, "...it was his PC, how could he have not seen it?"
To me this was yet another proof that Google became too big for what it is, and on an individual level dealing with Google is harder and less pleasant than dealing with a cable company.
^^^ THIS, times a million billion.
Google is nearly impossible to deal with. They don't let you contact them directly (which is infuriating all by itself) and when you do finally get to someone, 98% of the time they can't or won't help you.
Google has become a victim of its own success, a behemoth that is so desensitized that it's like a battleship cruising down a country lane...it doesn't even notice you as it ambles along, crushing everything in its path, oblivious to the fact that the tiny little humans are trying to get its attention.
It doesn't care. It's Google. It's too big to care, it's too popular, too sought after, and too busy doing whatever it does to take notice of your petty concerns.
That's probably a good reason for such courses. At least warn them of the utter newbie mistakes that a competent software developer and starting sysadmin knows not to make.
I'd hope this would have some beneficial effects, but will the manufacturers (specifically, managers and bean counters) spend the money to implement secure networking and access controls? My guess is probably not, unless they get a lot of pressure from end users or security professionals.
They probably won't hire or listen to security professionals, and they won't hear from the end users until after they get hacked...so all in all, I'm not optimistic. It's just so much easier and cheaper to build something quick and dirty and let it ship. By the time there's any outcry half of the people who made the "lets skip security" decisions will have moved on or been promoted.
If there were serious monetary penalties or the possibility of jail time then that might have an effect, but I think we're in for 10 or 20 years of Exploit du Jour headlines.
They should name the course, "Internet Of Cheaply Made Shit With Built-In Exploits".
Hackers everywhere are wetting their pants in expectation of this enormous, unbounded gift of a billion new things to hijack, spoof, and abuse. Because we all know that "security" will be an afterthought, if it's thought of at all.
"I'll be in late today, boss, my refrigerator got hacked again and they made it order 10,000 gallons of soy milk off of Amazon. Oh, and while they were at it they took over my TV and it won't stop showing kiddie porn. And for some reason all of my internet-enabled toilets just keep flushing and flushing and flushing, I can't get 'em to stop...hey, why is my car blowing its horn over and over?"
"Senior Homeland Security Official Says Internet Anonymity Should Be Outlawed"
Well, of course, did you really expect him to say anything different?
It's about as shocking a headline as, "Convicted Pedophile Says All Children Should Be Prohibited From Wearing Clothes", or "Wal-Mart Exec Says People Should Buy More Stuff From Wal-Mart."
Yahoo, a multi-million, possibly billion dollar company can't secure their own goddamn webmail, and this is after having ~20 years of experience in being an email provider.
In almost every case I've found that tools made overseas (especially from China) are simply cheaper, less precise, and of a lower quality than the ones made in the US.
Sockets, ratchets, screwdrivers, wrenches, drill bits, calipers, hex keys, etc etc etc, the fact is that the Chinese versions are basically shit.
Something tells me that you don't know anything about multisig wallets... If people would stop trusting 3rd parties to hold their bitcoins for them, then problems like the one at Cryptsy would stop.
Are you willing to go on record right now and state categorically that using multisig wallets will absolutely prevent your coins from being stolen, or that there is no way to hack, spoof, or otherwise get around the safety a multisig wallet provides?
It's not. The whole 'bullets flying' and 'limitless number of bad guys' bullshit came out of your keyboard, not mine. Don't pretend that didn't happen.
Lol, found the BitCoin fundy.
Sorry, but it all boils down to this (which is what I said at the very beginning): something-coin stuff is still waaaaaay to immature and uncertain to have any credibility in the larger marketplace. But go ahead and feel free to trust "Slick Jimmy's BitCoins Savings and Loan and Stuff" if you like.:)
Even Mike Hearn, one of Bitcoins lead developers, has now quit and says, "Despite knowing that bitcoin could fail all along, the now inescapable conclusion that it has failed still saddens me greatly".
He continues, "What was meant to be a new, decentralized form of money that lacked 'systemically important institutions' and 'too big to fail' has become something even worse: a system completely controlled by just a handful of people."
The problems are inherent and at this time there is no solution. Maybe there will be someday, but it ain't gonna be today, or tomorrow, or the day after that.
So yeah, I think I'll listen to him, since he probably knows more about it by an order of magnitude than both of us combined.
The difference is that regardless of how the bank is robbed, I'll still get my money back.
This is still irrelevant to this thread, as I pointed out before.
Lol, hardly....that's what this whole thread is about. You put your money in a bank and it's relatively safe, even if it gets robbed.
If you put your money in bitCoin, dogeCoin, dinfinityCoin, whateverCoin, and if it's ripped off, it's gone. That's pretty much what I started out saying.
Also, the stats you provided don't show shit:
1) One is a "look back" at "great bank robbers in history" (completely irrelevant), 2) The 2nd are FBI stats that ALSO don't show shit in terms of physical vs. electronic robbery, 3) and the 3rd is an article on the rise of script kiddies, "Hackers no longer need to be technical wizards to set up an operation to steal people's banking information", which says not a fucking thing about robbing banks. The article is actually all about stealing from the bank's customers.
Next time maybe you could check that your stats actually mean something instead of just shitting up the first 3 results from Google.
Thanks for playing, next time try paying attention to the subject at hand.
Drones are "clean." Drones are quick. Drones are easy. Drones are precise.
Drones are anything but precise. You've been watching too much FOX News if you really believe that. In many cases the drone program has been an abysmal failure, but don't look for that story on the six o'clock news. Sometimes they're very effective, but most of the time they've been a huge, shameful, and embarrassing disappointment. Half the time we end up killing a busload full of innocent people who have NOTHING to do with any war except that they're "nearby" and "in motion". Don't kid yourself, all this happy talk of "pinpoint strikes" and "surgical intervention" is mostly crap. But "rah rah rah, sis-boom-bah, USA numbah 1", don't let any pesky facts get in the way of your wet-dreams about our drone program.
as we have learned to our chagrin
Oh yes, we're so chagrined when we find out that once again we've blown up a convoy of innocent nobodies who happened to stop in the wrong place and "looked like terrorists" from 30,000 feet up. "Oh my", we say, "I feel SO chagrined at killing all those people...clumsy me!"
Or the ones who died because some idiot accidentally fat-fingered the wrong phone number into the database, and instead of tracking a dangerous Al Qaeda commander, we tracked a fucking rug merchant out into the desert and blew him and his entire family into little pieces. Killed them all, including the kids. But boy oh boy were we chagrined when we learned about our little "mistake". Whoops, sorry guys!
Here's a little thought experiment: how would you feel if Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan flew drones over your neighborhood night and day, and shot Hellfire missiles down onto groups of people they saw, like wedding parties, community meetings, or people out for a drive? No trial, no questions, just some guy back in Mosul who thinks you look "suspicious" or "of military age", and then *boom*, you or your friends or your family are dead. You might feel the same way they feel about us right now.
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You really, honestly believe that that there is anyone in the military who'd accept "a few million" casualties
Yes, there are indeed people who would be just fine with this, and heaven help us if they ever rise to a position of real power or get their hands on a nuclear device. If you think there aren't people who would be okay with this, please let me know, because I'd love to emigrate to your planet.
Ah, yes, the old "General Ripper" fallacy. Everyone in the military is just a knuckle-dragging ape who thinks with the wrong head and is looking to shove other nations into the lockers during passing time every chance they get.
No, not every one of them (not even most of them), but some are and when the weapon is a nuclear warhead then things become a bit unbalanced. Read Kill Chain if you want to see how giving trained troops weapons increases the chance they'll be used (and misused). It doesn't just increase the chance, it virtually guarantees that they'll be used. It's like giving a little kid a hammers and telling them, "Now, don't hit anything with it!"
They sure do give a fuck if its THEIR civilians - their entire job is to protect those people.
Yes, but the fact is that they aren't bombing THEIR civilians, they're bombing the "bad guys" and who the fuck cares if a few million of their civilians burn in the process? They'll count it as a win, and the term they use for it is "mowing the grass".
Seriously, fuck nuclear weapons, no good is going to come of using them now that very tin-pot dictator can get his hands on one. "Oh, you blew up Shitstainistan? Fine, we'll blow up New York or LA or Charlotte!"
Yes, I do, but it is irrelevant to the point I was making. You painted a very outdated picture of bank robberies with 'bullets flying around' and I corrected you (in a needlessly snarky way, admittedly). The idea that banks can only be 'robbed' physically is simply wrong.
I never said that they can only be robbed physically, even though it still is the most popular method.
The difference is that regardless of how the bank is robbed, I'll still get my money back. Whether it's with a gun or a trojan, I'll still get my money back. The same can't be said for x-coins. Look at Mt. Gox, Inputs.io, Sheep Marketplace, Silk Road, etc etc....none of the victims, to my knowledge, ever recovered a dime of the ~$180 million stolen.
Virtual currencies do have some serious, unavoidable problems inherent in their very nature and until the mechanisms securing and insuring them mature, it's going to be a free for all with a lot of risk and almost no assurance of safety.
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Did they shard the replicator to do the needful? Otherwise it won't work, even if it's webscale.
Just decouple the onboard shard-frame from a USB-bearing-spindle and then re-couple it to the lookup table with a multivariate demodulator powered from the blinker fluid reserve tank next to the Turbo Encabulator girdle spring. But don't use the ones made of Amulite, use the old-style ones with the tremi pipe.
Bingo. Honestly, I read the post 5 times and I'm still unsure.
I *think* he wants a USB widget that attaches to an ethernet line and plugs into a PC so he can reboot it, but hell if I know.
Why can't people just say, "I need a thingy that does (whatever thingy is supposed to do)" and be done with it?
Only terrorists use accented letters.
Use the regular, gawd-fearin' ENGLISH letters, the way gawd intended 'em to be used, ya gawdless savages!
Modern Problems. Oh, to have such a burden.
Look ladies, I'm happily married, but feel free to send me your provocative and/or tasteful nudes on the off chance I'll dump my lovely wife and jump ship to be with you*.
I mean, you DO have some greater-than-zero chance to get with a fine, vintage model like me, and (statistically speaking) probably a better chance than you do cold-calling Edward Snowden, so what the heck, give it a shot. You've nothing to lose and little to gain!
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IoT: Internet of Trouble
Lets see....cheaply-made products produced and sold with barely a nod to security, installed by users who are likely to be as clueless as they could possibly be, all connected to a worldwide network easily accessible by lots and lots and lots and lots of malicious people with too much time on their hands.
What could possibly go wrong??
Trust me, you ain't seen nothin' yet. I'd wager that 98% of all of these consumer-grade gadgets are going to be easily hackable in their default configuration. It's only a matter of time- eventually one of them will cause a serious injury or death, or at the very least some kind of significant property damage.
You want your refrigerator to be internet enabled? Great! But should it also have the unfettered ability to turn the temperature down and spoil all the food?
You want door locks you can control from the other side of the world? Great! But should any Joe Blow with a free hacking kit be able to unlock your doors at will?
You want to be able to remotely turn on your stove and start heating some water? Great! But should it blindly start "heating" a cardboard box left sitting on the burner because some dickhead in Moldavia can bypass your login?
You want an internet-enabled thermostat? Great! But should some malicious asshole be able to turn off your heat in the dead of winter when you're on vacation, freezing your house and causing your water pipes to burst?
Don't get me wrong- I think the overall idea of IoT is fascinating and holds great promise, but mark my words... like anything else it's gonna be abused too. Unfortunately I think it's going to take some major-league lawsuits before manufacturers start taking the security aspect of it seriously.
It's worse than it sounds....all the comments are about what if you find it, could you be liable, etc etc etc. That's one side of it, but here's the other side of it:
But what if someone else claims you found child porn on a computer and then says you didn't report it? How do you prove that you didn't find something?
"He had that laptop for weeks and was digging around in it, looking at all the files and directories...how could he have not seen it? He MUST have seen it but didn't report it..."
What if someone borrows/steals/buys a PC from you, puts child porn on there and then "discovers" it...and then they go, "...it was his PC, how could he have not seen it?"
To me this was yet another proof that Google became too big for what it is, and on an individual level dealing with Google is harder and less pleasant than dealing with a cable company.
^^^ THIS, times a million billion.
Google is nearly impossible to deal with. They don't let you contact them directly (which is infuriating all by itself) and when you do finally get to someone, 98% of the time they can't or won't help you.
Google has become a victim of its own success, a behemoth that is so desensitized that it's like a battleship cruising down a country lane...it doesn't even notice you as it ambles along, crushing everything in its path, oblivious to the fact that the tiny little humans are trying to get its attention.
It doesn't care. It's Google. It's too big to care, it's too popular, too sought after, and too busy doing whatever it does to take notice of your petty concerns.
"...killed 780 million bad ads"
So they got about 10% of them, is that what they're saying?
It's nice to know, but it's not really a problem for me, since I use Adblock and Noscript.
"Civil Construction Wipes Out Internet Connectivity Across Africa"
Sounds like some pretty uncivil construction, if you ask me. Hiyaaaaaaaaaaa! (puts on shades)
Or don't build a networked toilet. That's an option.
I'll never build one but someone decided it was a good idea.
so give up and crawl back into your cave, apparently it's your only option
But my cave requires a dual-token, interweb-enabled authoritative sign in verified by a blockchain of restricted IP network thingys!
I long for the good ol' days of Cave 1.0.
That's probably a good reason for such courses. At least warn them of the utter newbie mistakes that a competent software developer and starting sysadmin knows not to make.
I'd hope this would have some beneficial effects, but will the manufacturers (specifically, managers and bean counters) spend the money to implement secure networking and access controls? My guess is probably not, unless they get a lot of pressure from end users or security professionals.
They probably won't hire or listen to security professionals, and they won't hear from the end users until after they get hacked...so all in all, I'm not optimistic. It's just so much easier and cheaper to build something quick and dirty and let it ship. By the time there's any outcry half of the people who made the "lets skip security" decisions will have moved on or been promoted.
If there were serious monetary penalties or the possibility of jail time then that might have an effect, but I think we're in for 10 or 20 years of Exploit du Jour headlines.
Both of you need to prove it. :P
If I ever managed to achieve my goal, I'd happily publish the pictures, videos, and STD test results as proof. :)
Well that's nothing... I vow to sleep with every supermodel in California. And I think my chances are probably on par with Verizon's.
They should name the course, "Internet Of Cheaply Made Shit With Built-In Exploits".
Hackers everywhere are wetting their pants in expectation of this enormous, unbounded gift of a billion new things to hijack, spoof, and abuse. Because we all know that "security" will be an afterthought, if it's thought of at all.
"I'll be in late today, boss, my refrigerator got hacked again and they made it order 10,000 gallons of soy milk off of Amazon. Oh, and while they were at it they took over my TV and it won't stop showing kiddie porn. And for some reason all of my internet-enabled toilets just keep flushing and flushing and flushing, I can't get 'em to stop...hey, why is my car blowing its horn over and over?"
"Senior Homeland Security Official Says Internet Anonymity Should Be Outlawed"
Well, of course, did you really expect him to say anything different?
It's about as shocking a headline as, "Convicted Pedophile Says All Children Should Be Prohibited From Wearing Clothes", or "Wal-Mart Exec Says People Should Buy More Stuff From Wal-Mart."
Yahoo, a multi-million, possibly billion dollar company can't secure their own goddamn webmail, and this is after having ~20 years of experience in being an email provider.
Fucking fabulous, great job guys, you da man.
In almost every case I've found that tools made overseas (especially from China) are simply cheaper, less precise, and of a lower quality than the ones made in the US.
Sockets, ratchets, screwdrivers, wrenches, drill bits, calipers, hex keys, etc etc etc, the fact is that the Chinese versions are basically shit.
Something tells me that you don't know anything about multisig wallets...
If people would stop trusting 3rd parties to hold their bitcoins for them, then problems like the one at Cryptsy would stop.
Are you willing to go on record right now and state categorically that using multisig wallets will absolutely prevent your coins from being stolen, or that there is no way to hack, spoof, or otherwise get around the safety a multisig wallet provides?
I thought not.
It's not. The whole 'bullets flying' and 'limitless number of bad guys' bullshit came out of your keyboard, not mine. Don't pretend that didn't happen.
Lol, found the BitCoin fundy.
Sorry, but it all boils down to this (which is what I said at the very beginning): something-coin stuff is still waaaaaay to immature and uncertain to have any credibility in the larger marketplace. But go ahead and feel free to trust "Slick Jimmy's BitCoins Savings and Loan and Stuff" if you like. :)
Even Mike Hearn, one of Bitcoins lead developers, has now quit and says, "Despite knowing that bitcoin could fail all along, the now inescapable conclusion that it has failed still saddens me greatly".
He continues, "What was meant to be a new, decentralized form of money that lacked 'systemically important institutions' and 'too big to fail' has become something even worse: a system completely controlled by just a handful of people."
The problems are inherent and at this time there is no solution. Maybe there will be someday, but it ain't gonna be today, or tomorrow, or the day after that.
So yeah, I think I'll listen to him, since he probably knows more about it by an order of magnitude than both of us combined.
The difference is that regardless of how the bank is robbed, I'll still get my money back.
This is still irrelevant to this thread, as I pointed out before.
Lol, hardly....that's what this whole thread is about. You put your money in a bank and it's relatively safe, even if it gets robbed.
If you put your money in bitCoin, dogeCoin, dinfinityCoin, whateverCoin, and if it's ripped off, it's gone. That's pretty much what I started out saying.
Also, the stats you provided don't show shit:
1) One is a "look back" at "great bank robbers in history" (completely irrelevant),
2) The 2nd are FBI stats that ALSO don't show shit in terms of physical vs. electronic robbery,
3) and the 3rd is an article on the rise of script kiddies, "Hackers no longer need to be technical wizards to set up an operation to steal people's banking information", which says not a fucking thing about robbing banks. The article is actually all about stealing from the bank's customers.
Next time maybe you could check that your stats actually mean something instead of just shitting up the first 3 results from Google.
Thanks for playing, next time try paying attention to the subject at hand.
Drones are "clean." Drones are quick. Drones are easy. Drones are precise.
Drones are anything but precise. You've been watching too much FOX News if you really believe that. In many cases the drone program has been an abysmal failure, but don't look for that story on the six o'clock news. Sometimes they're very effective, but most of the time they've been a huge, shameful, and embarrassing disappointment. Half the time we end up killing a busload full of innocent people who have NOTHING to do with any war except that they're "nearby" and "in motion". Don't kid yourself, all this happy talk of "pinpoint strikes" and "surgical intervention" is mostly crap. But "rah rah rah, sis-boom-bah, USA numbah 1", don't let any pesky facts get in the way of your wet-dreams about our drone program.
as we have learned to our chagrin
Oh yes, we're so chagrined when we find out that once again we've blown up a convoy of innocent nobodies who happened to stop in the wrong place and "looked like terrorists" from 30,000 feet up. "Oh my", we say, "I feel SO chagrined at killing all those people...clumsy me!"
Or the ones who died because some idiot accidentally fat-fingered the wrong phone number into the database, and instead of tracking a dangerous Al Qaeda commander, we tracked a fucking rug merchant out into the desert and blew him and his entire family into little pieces. Killed them all, including the kids. But boy oh boy were we chagrined when we learned about our little "mistake". Whoops, sorry guys!
Here's a little thought experiment: how would you feel if Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan flew drones over your neighborhood night and day, and shot Hellfire missiles down onto groups of people they saw, like wedding parties, community meetings, or people out for a drive? No trial, no questions, just some guy back in Mosul who thinks you look "suspicious" or "of military age", and then *boom*, you or your friends or your family are dead. You might feel the same way they feel about us right now.
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You really, honestly believe that that there is anyone in the military who'd accept "a few million" casualties
Yes, there are indeed people who would be just fine with this, and heaven help us if they ever rise to a position of real power or get their hands on a nuclear device. If you think there aren't people who would be okay with this, please let me know, because I'd love to emigrate to your planet.
Ah, yes, the old "General Ripper" fallacy. Everyone in the military is just a knuckle-dragging ape who thinks with the wrong head and is looking to shove other nations into the lockers during passing time every chance they get.
No, not every one of them (not even most of them), but some are and when the weapon is a nuclear warhead then things become a bit unbalanced. Read Kill Chain if you want to see how giving trained troops weapons increases the chance they'll be used (and misused). It doesn't just increase the chance, it virtually guarantees that they'll be used. It's like giving a little kid a hammers and telling them, "Now, don't hit anything with it!"
They sure do give a fuck if its THEIR civilians - their entire job is to protect those people.
Yes, but the fact is that they aren't bombing THEIR civilians, they're bombing the "bad guys" and who the fuck cares if a few million of their civilians burn in the process? They'll count it as a win, and the term they use for it is "mowing the grass".
Seriously, fuck nuclear weapons, no good is going to come of using them now that very tin-pot dictator can get his hands on one. "Oh, you blew up Shitstainistan? Fine, we'll blow up New York or LA or Charlotte!"
Yes, I do, but it is irrelevant to the point I was making. You painted a very outdated picture of bank robberies with 'bullets flying around' and I corrected you (in a needlessly snarky way, admittedly). The idea that banks can only be 'robbed' physically is simply wrong.
I never said that they can only be robbed physically, even though it still is the most popular method.
The difference is that regardless of how the bank is robbed, I'll still get my money back. Whether it's with a gun or a trojan, I'll still get my money back. The same can't be said for x-coins. Look at Mt. Gox, Inputs.io, Sheep Marketplace, Silk Road, etc etc....none of the victims, to my knowledge, ever recovered a dime of the ~$180 million stolen.
Virtual currencies do have some serious, unavoidable problems inherent in their very nature and until the mechanisms securing and insuring them mature, it's going to be a free for all with a lot of risk and almost no assurance of safety.