The guy who takes the bribe is the 'evil' one, not the guy who offers it.
Not according to the law, and not according to common sense, and not according to any moral or ethical standard I'm familiar with.
Seriously....where is it "okay" to offer a bribe, but "not okay" to accept it?
Is your sense of ethics really that fucked up? Bribery starts with the offer, not with the acceptance. Both are wrong unless your moral compass is fucked up.
Why do you all refuse to acknowledge the human foible?
I'm not, but without the money the human foible factor would be minimized to insignificance. That's why they lobbied so hard for this, or is that not apparent to you?
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And stop the scapegoating if you don't want this bullshit to continue indefinitely.
Oh, you mean quit calling out the main motivator and the root of the problem? I'm not scapegoating, I'm pointing out the elephant in the room.
That's not the money's fault, or the person who uses it either.
That's where we disagree....unlimited amounts of money can and do subvert the course of democracy. With the Citizens United decision the outcome of elections has more or less been handed over to those with the deepest pockets. If you don't see anything wrong with that, perhaps democracy is not your cup of tea.
I think the GP meant that in a "guns don't kill people" sense. Obviously, they do, but not simply by themselves.
Then it's fair to say that heart attacks don't kill people either. It's just the "stoppage of blood flow" that causes death. And car accidents don't kill people, it's the crushing and impact forces on the body that are really to blame.
Obviously no one thinks that a pallet full of $100 bills sitting in a locked room sways an election, it's when the money is used to buy people and influence events that it has an effect. But honestly, I don't see where clarifying this distinction serves any purpose.
Ohhh, that must be why so many poor people become president.
And that must be why large-money donors and super-pacs pour hundreds of millions of dollars into elections, because it has no influence. No siree, none at all. *cough*
Like I said earlier, you don't have to be an expert on something to understand parts of it, including some of the mechanisms in play or the overall effects.
Go ask any economist if a healthy economy is simply a matter of "net money" and they'll laugh. It's more complex than that.
If your post was sarcasm, it was lost somewhere the moment I believed it.
I can't help what you believe, and other people seemed to get it.:)
But for the record:
1) Trump will not be able to lure, convince, or force Apple to come back to the US and make those phones in 'Murica, no matter what he claims. 2) Tim Cook is not going to prison. 3) As far as I know, no one is going to dig up Steve Jobs body.
So can the FBI force apple to turn that over next time?
Yes, and the "forcing" would be just like "forcing" a horny 16-year old to have sex with a hot chick who has her legs spread and is whispering, "C'mon, baby, bang me!"
Don't worry, I'm sure mein Fuhrer Trump will force Apple to come back to the US and make those phones in 'Murica, right? If not, then Tim Cook will go to prison and Steve Jobs corpse will be exhumed and ritually desecrated, as specified in the new Alt-Constitution.
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Just wait until Trump's in the White House. Those trees will have so much water they'll get tired of it.
No, his solution will be to kill off more trees until there's enough water for the few remaining survivors. The rest of those trees were just losers!
God killed Antonin Scalia and Andrew Breitbart.
If that were true, it would almost be enough to make me believe in god.
The guy who takes the bribe is the 'evil' one, not the guy who offers it.
Not according to the law, and not according to common sense, and not according to any moral or ethical standard I'm familiar with.
Seriously....where is it "okay" to offer a bribe, but "not okay" to accept it?
Is your sense of ethics really that fucked up? Bribery starts with the offer, not with the acceptance. Both are wrong unless your moral compass is fucked up.
Why do you all refuse to acknowledge the human foible?
I'm not, but without the money the human foible factor would be minimized to insignificance. That's why they lobbied so hard for this, or is that not apparent to you?
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And stop the scapegoating if you don't want this bullshit to continue indefinitely.
Oh, you mean quit calling out the main motivator and the root of the problem? I'm not scapegoating, I'm pointing out the elephant in the room.
Money can do nothing.
Which, again, is why super-pacs pour hundreds of millions of dollars into elections. Because it does nothing, nothing at all!
That's not the money's fault, or the person who uses it either.
That's where we disagree....unlimited amounts of money can and do subvert the course of democracy. With the Citizens United decision the outcome of elections has more or less been handed over to those with the deepest pockets. If you don't see anything wrong with that, perhaps democracy is not your cup of tea.
I think the GP meant that in a "guns don't kill people" sense. Obviously, they do, but not simply by themselves.
Then it's fair to say that heart attacks don't kill people either. It's just the "stoppage of blood flow" that causes death. And car accidents don't kill people, it's the crushing and impact forces on the body that are really to blame.
Obviously no one thinks that a pallet full of $100 bills sitting in a locked room sways an election, it's when the money is used to buy people and influence events that it has an effect. But honestly, I don't see where clarifying this distinction serves any purpose.
Labor unions spend far more than "large-money donors and super-pacs".
If you have a citation that appears to prove that assertion, feel free to post it.
It's up to the voters to seek out candidates, not wait to have them spoon fed.
Obviously spoon-feeding them works, that's why they do it. That's why they spend hundreds of millions of dollars doing it.
Money doesn't influence elections.
Ohhh, that must be why so many poor people become president.
And that must be why large-money donors and super-pacs pour hundreds of millions of dollars into elections, because it has no influence. No siree, none at all. *cough*
Like I said earlier, you don't have to be an expert on something to understand parts of it, including some of the mechanisms in play or the overall effects.
Go ask any economist if a healthy economy is simply a matter of "net money" and they'll laugh. It's more complex than that.
A recent Speak-N-Spell could probably come close.
Mine just says:
tits ...
tiny tits
terrific tiny tits
teenage tits
tiny teenage tits
So obviously it is based on your (my) search history.
I had an Atari 800, you elitist scum!!
The surprising part is that AOL still had 500 employees.
Just wait until stuff can be broadcast from privately owned, low-Earth orbit satellites. Good luck raiding my orbital, weapons-laden space platform!
If your post was sarcasm, it was lost somewhere the moment I believed it.
I can't help what you believe, and other people seemed to get it. :)
But for the record:
1) Trump will not be able to lure, convince, or force Apple to come back to the US and make those phones in 'Murica, no matter what he claims.
2) Tim Cook is not going to prison.
3) As far as I know, no one is going to dig up Steve Jobs body.
And this differs from the US/UK privacy laws how?
Don't ask me, I just fly the drone.
"Russian privacy laws", lol
The Russian privacy law is "you have no privacy".
Whoooooooooooosh!
Thanks for playing, better luck next time!
So can the FBI force apple to turn that over next time?
Yes, and the "forcing" would be just like "forcing" a horny 16-year old to have sex with a hot chick who has her legs spread and is whispering, "C'mon, baby, bang me!"
Apple iSurveillance(tm)- "It Just Works!"
In other, other words, how much profit in built into an iPhone anyway?
That metric really depends on how many child laborers you can fit into each factory.
Don't worry, I'm sure mein Fuhrer Trump will force Apple to come back to the US and make those phones in 'Murica, right? If not, then Tim Cook will go to prison and Steve Jobs corpse will be exhumed and ritually desecrated, as specified in the new Alt-Constitution.
As above, where can we buy one?