Damn, now I'm seriously considering dropping a few hundred bucks on one of the fitlets, maybe the fitlet-H. I could replace my (comparatively) giant Gateway box with one of these and get basically the same performance, if not better. Hmmmm...
A belief in Christianity is not itself an idiosyncratic belief. It can't be contradicted by rational argument, just as it can't be confirmed that way.
Yes it can, and people have been doing it for centuries. It's why Christianity and religious belief in general is in steep decline.
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It doesn't contradict what is generally accepted as reality, since the majority of people in the US do believe in Christianity.
Wait- you're saying that reality depends on how many people believe in something? BULLSHIT, that's not how it works. It doesn't matter how many people believe in something, it still doesn't make it true. At one time the majority of people believed that the Earth was flat, but that didn't make it flat. This is your best argument- that "a lot of people believe it, so it must be true"? That's an argumentum ad populum and it's a total fail. You'll have to do better than that, David. If everyone believed that elephants lived on the abyssal plain, would that make it true?
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neither of us can provide evidence that Christianity is a delusion.
Wrong. I can, and so can countless other people. I'm hardly the first to point out some of the glaring errors in the bible, which I notice you carefully avoided answering. So stop dodging- which version of the stories in Genesis is the correct one?
In the first creation story, humans are created after the other animals. In the second story, humans were created before the other animals.
In the first creation story, the first man and woman were created simultaneously. In the second account, the man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.
They can't both be right, so which one is it?
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I don't know where you get the idea that contradictions in the Bible prove Christianity a delusion.
There you go, twisting my words again. I never said that "contradictions in the Bible prove Christianity a delusion", I said that believing in those contradictions even though you know they're contradictions is evidence of delusional thinking. Are you always this dishonest when you argue?
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I know lots of Christians who rely on the Bible in general, while being aware of the contradictions. They tend to think that it's stupid to take it literally in most areas.
Except for the parts they decide to take literally, because those parts line up with they personal experience of reality. What a farce. Either it's the "perfect word of god" and it's all true, OR IT'S NOT. You can't have it both ways, unless you're claiming that god made a bunch of errors while he was dictating his holy book. Is that what you're claiming, or are you going to fall back on the "they made errors in the transcription/translation" argument?
Okay, I gotta admit...that looks like a cool little PC.
No, it's not for gaming (duh) but for 99% of what most people do this would probably work beautifully. Browsing, email, youtube, cranking out a letter....this is all they'd need.
Very slick, now I want one. But I'd want one with a wee bit more RAM, say 12 or 16 gigs, then I'd probably buy one.
Anyone else pissed off that she can make 100's of millions of dollars just by sucking the right billionaires dick ?
I'm not so much pissed as jealous. I'm a straight guy, but I swear, find me someone who'll pay me 100's of millions of dollars for sucking a cock and you can consider it a done deal.
Yep, "truth is stranger than fiction", as they say. And in this case it definitely is.
"President Trump". Holy fuck.
He's a crank, a liar, a con man, and a draft-dodging, narcissistic demagogue. Just wait until he appoints Sarah Palin as Secretary of State and puts Jared Fogle in charge of Child Services. He'd put Hulk Hogan on the one dollar bill and then declare war on Hawaii. He'd annex Canada and pass a law making it illegal to look at the Moon. Then he'd tell the FBI to remove the letter "e" from the English language and burn any book that had page numbers. Thinking about stuff would be punishable by death and Meliana would be declared Queen Emporer of Jupiter. And all that would be on his first day in office. But day 2 is when the crazy stuff would start.
Or they could have decided not to do such a blatant money-grab and just left the perfectly-working headphone jack where it was. Wireless charging would be fine, but the headphone jack removal was pure crap. More batteries to die, more pricey gadgets to buy, and all for no good reason.
Apple will probably be all over this for their single usb-c port macbook. But you'll need an adapter to charge and listen at the same time and a dongle to use your lightning headphones you bought for your iPhone!
I hope it'll cost at least $300 per port or I won't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.
If four or five years ago you'd been in a creative writing class and written a story detailing this election and Trump's role in it, it would have been panned as "ridiculous", "unrealistic", "pure nuttery" and "impossible"....but here we are.
If you'd written about a presidential candidate who bragged about being able to shoot people in the middle of the street with without losing a single voter, the teacher would have told you that the scene was childishly unbelievable in the extreme.
If you'd written that the candidate ran on a platform of wanting to deport 11 million people, you'd have been laughed out of the room.
If you wrote a scene where the candidate publicly trashed a widely-respected war hero, the book would end about two pages later with him going down in flames.
I mean, maybe we are living in a simulation, because this just doesn't seem like reality to me.
Your unprovable belief is that religion is delusion. It's not possible to prove that Christianity is true or false.
1) Actually, it meets the definition of Delusional Disorder in the ICD 10 on several key criteria. So yeah, it's possible to show that it's a delusion. Exchange "god" for "magical unicorns" and you would label any person who believed in magical unicorns as delusional. It's no different when it's belief in an invisible, omnipotent sky-being.
2) Christianity is based on the bible, and it's easy to show there's lots of untrue stuff in the bible. The bible is riddled with errors and falsehoods.
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You are willing, however, to call Christians delusional without having any support for your position.
Wrong. See above.
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You also seem to agree that it doesn't really matter, that it is possible to be a good person while being a Christian.
Also wrong. It's quite possible to be delusional and still be a good person.
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If somebody's belief doesn't hurt you in any way, and you can't prove it wrong, why not just ignore it?
But their beliefs DO hurt me, and millions of other people. Christians have been famous discriminators throughout history and are still doing it today. And that's to say nothing of the followers of Islam, many of whom will happily behead you for having an opposing view or drawing a picture of their holy man. Seriously, don't feed me this bullshit about how religion doesn't harm people, we both know it's been used as a sword more than as a shied.
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That doesn't mean the source material is contradictory, only that people interpret it in different ways.
Oh, here we go...it's all in how you interpret it, got it. So, which of these "interpretations" are correct and which ones are false? You don't know, nobody knows, and no one ever will. And regardless of that, the source material IS contradictory.
For example, the Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the first, God created humans (male and female) after he finished making all of the other animals. In the second, God made one man (“Adam”) and then created all of the animals in order to find a mate for Adam. God brought all of the animals to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs to serve his as his helpmeet.
In the first creation story, humans are created after the other animals. In the second story, humans were created before the other animals.
In the first creation story, the first man and woman were created simultaneously. In the second account, the man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.
No contradictions there, eh?
Also, in Genesis 1:4-5 it says: God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
But in Genesis 1:16-19, it says: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night... to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So yeah, the source material is contradictory, right from the outset. Sorry.
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Christianity is not just based on the Bible, although some Christian denominations claim to be.
Umm, you might wanna check with the Pope and virtually every pastor and priest out there...almost all of them will tell you that Christianity is indeed based on the Bible. But I guess it's how you interpret it, right?
For me I'd rather have the space devoted to extra battery because that is more useful to me. Your mileage may vary.
Your mileage will certainly vary in the downwards direction if you actually use the bluetooth earbuds. A set of wired earbuds uses less power than a wireless pair. Your imagined gain in battery life only works if you never use earbuds or headphones, and even then I doubt you'd really gain anything. It doesn't look like they made the battery bigger since it's not filling the space that the headphone jack occupied.
You know what's great about wired headphones and earbuds? They don't go dead if you leave them sitting in a drawer for a week. Or a year.
That's why wireless earbuds are a ridiculously impractical invention, and I would go so far as to call them "consumer hostile". Two more batteries to drain, wear out, and be disposed of. Lovely.
Next step is to include a free wire so you don't lose those wireless earbuds.
It'll be called the iWire or iTether and it'll be $39.95 for the white version, $49.95 for the black. It'll also be super-thin so it breaks every couple of months.
To me the thickness of the phone is a "who cares?" factor. The length and width determine what sort of pocket I can fit the phone in.
Bingo.
This whole "but it's thinner" concept seems ridiculous. It's like these people are terrorized by a slightly thicker phone. Thinner usually equates to "bendable" and fragility. Just give me a decent, solidly-built phone and I won't care if it's 2mm thick or 3mm thick or OMG 3.5mm thick.
I may be wrong, but I think if it connects to an iPhone there'll be a licensing fee involved, especially if it's marketed as an "Apple-compatible" product. I'm pretty sure that's the case with chargers and cables. So in the end, I think Apple will make money from this one way or another. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple themselves came out with something like this eventually.
I don't dispute that SOME folks have a religious motivation to deny climate change.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Imagine a bunch of governments saying we should limit the number of goods bought over the internet to 1990 levels to save brick and mortar status quo to prevent social instability? Where would you stand on that?
My stand on that would be that you're making a stupid argument that has nothing to do with climate change.
It's stupid to insult people based on their having religious beliefs.
Not at all; in fact it's probably one of the most reasonable and sensible things to insult people over.
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Neither theism nor atheism is falsifiable, so what you're saying is that you believe certain unprovable things and anyone disagreeing with you is delusional.
No, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. If you're an adult and you really, really believe in the whole religious backstory, then yes, you qualify as delusional. It may be a result of you being mislead or lied to as a child, but as an adult you should be able to reason to some degree, and believing in magical fairy tales that have no basis in fact is delusional.
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In fact, those friends are some of the best human beings I know.
This adds precisely nothing to your argument. Someone can be a good friend, a nice person, a benefactor to your community, and still be delusional.
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More interestingly, you seem to believe that religions are delusion, which would mean you aren't Christian. You don't seem to realize the variety in Christianity.
Variety, oh yes, it's good to have lots of varieties of the One True Way.:) But you're correct in that I'm not a Christian. I never could bring myself to believe in any religion, I just can't suspend my disbelief that far. Except for my firm and non-falsifiable belief in the God Anubis. That dude is real for sure- I mean, how could anyone not believe in a wolf-headed god who was (among other things) the Guide of Souls? Obviously it's perfectly rational to believe in Anubis, isn't it?
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However, you're willing to tell Christians what Christianity is,
I'm willing to tell them they've been mislead and lied to in order to get them to believe in a lot of ancient nonsense. I'm willing to tell them that once you realize there is no god, the world and the universe as a whole start to make perfect sense. It all behaves exactly as you would expect it to if was just a big, dumb mechanical universe without any intrinsic purpose behind the scenes or any supreme being directing events.
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Some theologians think there is a contradiction and (probably more) think there isn't, so there's a clear contradiction?
Yes, if after reading the same book some theologians think "A" and some think "B", it seems clear that they contradict each other. The fact that one can interpret the bible to mean practically anything and then come to completely opposing conclusions should be your first clue that it's not something to be relied on.
I used to think that as well, but in an Economics study I learned some unfortunate downside to legal prostitution. Unfortunately it seems that if prostitution is legalized, illegal forced prostitution increases.
What part of "unless it's forced" seemed unclear?
That's a legal problem, it's not the fault of prostitution itself.
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"But, until the company can get a handle on their quality control issues..."
So we're talking sometime in late 2055 or thereabouts?
Awesome, thank you!
Damn, now I'm seriously considering dropping a few hundred bucks on one of the fitlets, maybe the fitlet-H. I could replace my (comparatively) giant Gateway box with one of these and get basically the same performance, if not better. Hmmmm...
A belief in Christianity is not itself an idiosyncratic belief. It can't be contradicted by rational argument, just as it can't be confirmed that way.
Yes it can, and people have been doing it for centuries. It's why Christianity and religious belief in general is in steep decline.
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It doesn't contradict what is generally accepted as reality, since the majority of people in the US do believe in Christianity.
Wait- you're saying that reality depends on how many people believe in something? BULLSHIT, that's not how it works. It doesn't matter how many people believe in something, it still doesn't make it true. At one time the majority of people believed that the Earth was flat, but that didn't make it flat. This is your best argument- that "a lot of people believe it, so it must be true"? That's an argumentum ad populum and it's a total fail. You'll have to do better than that, David. If everyone believed that elephants lived on the abyssal plain, would that make it true?
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neither of us can provide evidence that Christianity is a delusion.
Wrong. I can, and so can countless other people. I'm hardly the first to point out some of the glaring errors in the bible, which I notice you carefully avoided answering. So stop dodging- which version of the stories in Genesis is the correct one?
In the first creation story, humans are created after the other animals.
In the second story, humans were created before the other animals.
In the first creation story, the first man and woman were created simultaneously.
In the second account, the man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.
They can't both be right, so which one is it?
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I don't know where you get the idea that contradictions in the Bible prove Christianity a delusion.
There you go, twisting my words again. I never said that "contradictions in the Bible prove Christianity a delusion", I said that believing in those contradictions even though you know they're contradictions is evidence of delusional thinking. Are you always this dishonest when you argue?
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I know lots of Christians who rely on the Bible in general, while being aware of the contradictions. They tend to think that it's stupid to take it literally in most areas.
Except for the parts they decide to take literally, because those parts line up with they personal experience of reality. What a farce. Either it's the "perfect word of god" and it's all true, OR IT'S NOT. You can't have it both ways, unless you're claiming that god made a bunch of errors while he was dictating his holy book. Is that what you're claiming, or are you going to fall back on the "they made errors in the transcription/translation" argument?
Okay, I gotta admit...that looks like a cool little PC.
No, it's not for gaming (duh) but for 99% of what most people do this would probably work beautifully. Browsing, email, youtube, cranking out a letter....this is all they'd need.
Very slick, now I want one. But I'd want one with a wee bit more RAM, say 12 or 16 gigs, then I'd probably buy one.
Anyone else pissed off that she can make 100's of millions of dollars just by sucking the right billionaires dick ?
I'm not so much pissed as jealous. I'm a straight guy, but I swear, find me someone who'll pay me 100's of millions of dollars for sucking a cock and you can consider it a done deal.
Truth isn't.
Yep, "truth is stranger than fiction", as they say. And in this case it definitely is.
"President Trump". Holy fuck.
He's a crank, a liar, a con man, and a draft-dodging, narcissistic demagogue. Just wait until he appoints Sarah Palin as Secretary of State and puts Jared Fogle in charge of Child Services. He'd put Hulk Hogan on the one dollar bill and then declare war on Hawaii. He'd annex Canada and pass a law making it illegal to look at the Moon. Then he'd tell the FBI to remove the letter "e" from the English language and burn any book that had page numbers. Thinking about stuff would be punishable by death and Meliana would be declared Queen Emporer of Jupiter. And all that would be on his first day in office. But day 2 is when the crazy stuff would start.
Or they could have decided not to do such a blatant money-grab and just left the perfectly-working headphone jack where it was. Wireless charging would be fine, but the headphone jack removal was pure crap. More batteries to die, more pricey gadgets to buy, and all for no good reason.
"Facebook is stealing..."
Lol, pretty much anything you say after those three words is going to be correct.
It's like saying, "There's a web site that...." Again, almost anything you say after those words is likely to be true.
Apple will probably be all over this for their single usb-c port macbook. But you'll need an adapter to charge and listen at the same time and a dongle to use your lightning headphones you bought for your iPhone!
I hope it'll cost at least $300 per port or I won't feel like I'm getting my money's worth.
I'd hire them to clean my septic system, but I'd have them watched closely to make sure they didn't steal the sewage.
If four or five years ago you'd been in a creative writing class and written a story detailing this election and Trump's role in it, it would have been panned as "ridiculous", "unrealistic", "pure nuttery" and "impossible"....but here we are.
If you'd written about a presidential candidate who bragged about being able to shoot people in the middle of the street with without losing a single voter, the teacher would have told you that the scene was childishly unbelievable in the extreme.
If you'd written that the candidate ran on a platform of wanting to deport 11 million people, you'd have been laughed out of the room.
If you wrote a scene where the candidate publicly trashed a widely-respected war hero, the book would end about two pages later with him going down in flames.
I mean, maybe we are living in a simulation, because this just doesn't seem like reality to me.
Apple: "We're removing the USB jack from our phones. Wait, we never had one? Okay, FINE, we'll remove the Lightning connector, wiseass!"
Wow, that thing's erection is...amazing. So long, and versatile, and hard. I bet women look at it and go, "Oh my god!"
I wish I could say I was the proud owner of a Putzmeister.
*knock knock* "What are you doing in there in the bathroom, son?"
*furtive rustling noises* "I'm, uh, doing Deep Learning, mom!"
"But Jimmy, you've been in there for hours!"
"Uh, yeah, mom, but there's a lot of sites- I mean, ummm material to look at."
Your unprovable belief is that religion is delusion. It's not possible to prove that Christianity is true or false.
1) Actually, it meets the definition of Delusional Disorder in the ICD 10 on several key criteria. So yeah, it's possible to show that it's a delusion. Exchange "god" for "magical unicorns" and you would label any person who believed in magical unicorns as delusional. It's no different when it's belief in an invisible, omnipotent sky-being.
2) Christianity is based on the bible, and it's easy to show there's lots of untrue stuff in the bible. The bible is riddled with errors and falsehoods.
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You are willing, however, to call Christians delusional without having any support for your position.
Wrong. See above.
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You also seem to agree that it doesn't really matter, that it is possible to be a good person while being a Christian.
Also wrong. It's quite possible to be delusional and still be a good person.
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If somebody's belief doesn't hurt you in any way, and you can't prove it wrong, why not just ignore it?
But their beliefs DO hurt me, and millions of other people. Christians have been famous discriminators throughout history and are still doing it today. And that's to say nothing of the followers of Islam, many of whom will happily behead you for having an opposing view or drawing a picture of their holy man. Seriously, don't feed me this bullshit about how religion doesn't harm people, we both know it's been used as a sword more than as a shied.
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That doesn't mean the source material is contradictory, only that people interpret it in different ways.
Oh, here we go...it's all in how you interpret it, got it. So, which of these "interpretations" are correct and which ones are false? You don't know, nobody knows, and no one ever will. And regardless of that, the source material IS contradictory.
For example, the Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the first, God created humans (male and female) after he finished making all of the other animals. In the second, God made one man (“Adam”) and then created all of the animals in order to find a mate for Adam. God brought all of the animals to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs to serve his as his helpmeet.
In the first creation story, humans are created after the other animals.
In the second story, humans were created before the other animals.
In the first creation story, the first man and woman were created simultaneously.
In the second account, the man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.
No contradictions there, eh?
Also, in Genesis 1:4-5 it says: God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
But in Genesis 1:16-19, it says: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night ... to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So yeah, the source material is contradictory, right from the outset. Sorry.
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Christianity is not just based on the Bible, although some Christian denominations claim to be.
Umm, you might wanna check with the Pope and virtually every pastor and priest out there...almost all of them will tell you that Christianity is indeed based on the Bible. But I guess it's how you interpret it, right?
For me I'd rather have the space devoted to extra battery because that is more useful to me. Your mileage may vary.
Your mileage will certainly vary in the downwards direction if you actually use the bluetooth earbuds. A set of wired earbuds uses less power than a wireless pair. Your imagined gain in battery life only works if you never use earbuds or headphones, and even then I doubt you'd really gain anything. It doesn't look like they made the battery bigger since it's not filling the space that the headphone jack occupied.
Face it, this was just a money grab.
You know what's great about wired headphones and earbuds? They don't go dead if you leave them sitting in a drawer for a week. Or a year.
That's why wireless earbuds are a ridiculously impractical invention, and I would go so far as to call them "consumer hostile". Two more batteries to drain, wear out, and be disposed of. Lovely.
Next step is to include a free wire so you don't lose those wireless earbuds.
It'll be called the iWire or iTether and it'll be $39.95 for the white version, $49.95 for the black. It'll also be super-thin so it breaks every couple of months.
To me the thickness of the phone is a "who cares?" factor. The length and width determine what sort of pocket I can fit the phone in.
Bingo.
This whole "but it's thinner" concept seems ridiculous. It's like these people are terrorized by a slightly thicker phone. Thinner usually equates to "bendable" and fragility. Just give me a decent, solidly-built phone and I won't care if it's 2mm thick or 3mm thick or OMG 3.5mm thick.
I may be wrong, but I think if it connects to an iPhone there'll be a licensing fee involved, especially if it's marketed as an "Apple-compatible" product. I'm pretty sure that's the case with chargers and cables. So in the end, I think Apple will make money from this one way or another. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple themselves came out with something like this eventually.
I don't dispute that SOME folks have a religious motivation to deny climate change.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Imagine a bunch of governments saying we should limit the number of goods bought over the internet to 1990 levels to save brick and mortar status quo to prevent social instability? Where would you stand on that?
My stand on that would be that you're making a stupid argument that has nothing to do with climate change.
It's stupid to insult people based on their having religious beliefs.
Not at all; in fact it's probably one of the most reasonable and sensible things to insult people over.
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Neither theism nor atheism is falsifiable, so what you're saying is that you believe certain unprovable things and anyone disagreeing with you is delusional.
No, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. If you're an adult and you really, really believe in the whole religious backstory, then yes, you qualify as delusional. It may be a result of you being mislead or lied to as a child, but as an adult you should be able to reason to some degree, and believing in magical fairy tales that have no basis in fact is delusional.
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In fact, those friends are some of the best human beings I know.
This adds precisely nothing to your argument. Someone can be a good friend, a nice person, a benefactor to your community, and still be delusional.
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More interestingly, you seem to believe that religions are delusion, which would mean you aren't Christian. You don't seem to realize the variety in Christianity.
Variety, oh yes, it's good to have lots of varieties of the One True Way. :) But you're correct in that I'm not a Christian. I never could bring myself to believe in any religion, I just can't suspend my disbelief that far. Except for my firm and non-falsifiable belief in the God Anubis. That dude is real for sure- I mean, how could anyone not believe in a wolf-headed god who was (among other things) the Guide of Souls? Obviously it's perfectly rational to believe in Anubis, isn't it?
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However, you're willing to tell Christians what Christianity is,
I'm willing to tell them they've been mislead and lied to in order to get them to believe in a lot of ancient nonsense. I'm willing to tell them that once you realize there is no god, the world and the universe as a whole start to make perfect sense. It all behaves exactly as you would expect it to if was just a big, dumb mechanical universe without any intrinsic purpose behind the scenes or any supreme being directing events.
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Some theologians think there is a contradiction and (probably more) think there isn't, so there's a clear contradiction?
Yes, if after reading the same book some theologians think "A" and some think "B", it seems clear that they contradict each other. The fact that one can interpret the bible to mean practically anything and then come to completely opposing conclusions should be your first clue that it's not something to be relied on.
"Optional" as in "We got caught and now we're going to try and pretend we're good guys by unfucking what we deliberately fucked up."
I used to think that as well, but in an Economics study I learned some unfortunate downside to legal prostitution. Unfortunately it seems that if prostitution is legalized, illegal forced prostitution increases.
What part of "unless it's forced" seemed unclear?
That's a legal problem, it's not the fault of prostitution itself.
Precisely. Let's just not call it AI :)
But what if it is, and we don't realize it or recognize it?