You are completely right that Privacy has is gone and that we will only see less of it in the future. No amount of lobbying and trying to get the Government to pass protective laws (like the European ban on publishing personal information online - a good idea, for a long gone age) can stop the developement.
If I had a direct connection to the Internet, I could gladly consider putting a Camera in my bedroom. Why not? I don't do anything in here that other people don't do. I am not ashamed of my actions, and I stand for everything I say and do.
BUT, this is exactly why governments are so dangerous in the information age. With no privacy in our lives and all our information available at a cost, all Governments necessarily become tyranees. We cannot let ourselves be ruled by those who have the ability to find out everything about us - or we will quickly find ourselves crowding into that little corner of the room that big brother can't see, just to jot down a few lines in a secret diary.
And, everything about the information age that makes the authorative world frightening, when seen in the light of a free (anarchist if you will) world becomes an advantage. Yes, you can get away with crime, but in a society where all the information you create follows you forever, you can never get away FROM your crimes. You don't have a state police to keep us secure, but you do have the eyes of the world on you, always, and there will never be a dark alley to get mugged and murdered in again.
Now, it's obviously a big step to say that we should just toss our governments out today. The information age is not hear yet, and fast transitions often cause much pain. But could it be more clear what direction we should be moving in?
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
I think Amiga has enough of a history with the nerds of the world to justify being mentioned run as a topic on Slashdot. I never had one, but I knew I know more Nerds who did then who didn't.
Yes, there is a measure of pitiful in these attempts to resurect it, but we should at least feign interest - if not otherwise then out of respect.
And consider, if the best case scenario does happen, this good be a Very Good Thing (tm).
btw, I don't believe there are computers at all in most BMWs. German cars are still centered around solid engineering.
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
I don't agree at all. I'm not exactly planning to do my graduate studies in America, but it is an option, so I am interested in hearing what goes and what doesn't.
Obviously it isn't a too interesting topic if you are not interested in graduate studies, but I think you can show at least a little tolerance. And hey, American students can come here (Europe) to study, so pitch our schools at him them.
Anyone have some opinions for those of us more into Math than CS?
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
More like something you tell them as late in the relationship as possible ("Well it is nice whether today, andsometimesIcodeinVB, don't you think? Did I mention how great you look?")
You wouldn't put recent bouts with foot warts in a personal add...
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
This a very important point. The governments ARE as paranoid about computer crimes as they are about drugs, because, once again, they are going right into a loosing battle at everyones cost.
The war on computer crimes (especially piracy) that the American government is so eager to step up, is just the "war on drugs" all over again, and it threatens to do to our computer networks what the latter has done to our city centers.
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
Actually, up here in Scandinavia the heat goes away as soon as the days start getting shorter, so we don't take vacations around this time of year. Its cold now, I'm considering a jacket when I take my dog out in a few minutes...
Nothern vacations are usually in June to early July...
- /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
Personally, I thought that was rather nice, Americans wanting to hear what I thought the Internet had done to their society.
- Greater acknowledgement of inherent intellectual inferiority - Ain't not as many double negatives - Learning to eat with a knife and fork (that must be pure wishful thinking...)
Hell, most of the people who responded to this topic probably don't know what pablum means.
pablum n 1: a form of cereal for infants [syn: Pablum] 2: a diet that does not require chewing; advised for those with intestinal disorders [syn: soft diet, pap, spoon food] 3: worthless or oversimplified ideas [syn: pap]
Cause if it isn't, I can't remember hitting one of the top 50 sites in the last month (if cnn.com doesn't count). And reading slashdot tends to diversify my surfing, since I get sent off all over the place to read the articles (first time at LA-Times this month).
I think it is to early in the developement of the web to start pointing at these trends. Most people are still relative newbies, and tend towards the big sites they know.
My experience is the opposite, new people to the web hit sites like yahoo and the search engines all the time, while people who are used to the web almost never touch them (and when they do they use the better but less fancy ones like Google and alltheweb).
Why do you feel it necessary to be an AC? I will say right here, with identity and email address easily traceable back to me IRL, that the American "democracy" has gone so far from any ideals of such a system that the more I learn about it the more it scares me.
Like what, a quarter of you bother to vote at all? You have two political parties, always using the same rhetoric against one another, never arguing any real issues (the US is a one party state - one politic, two policies), and in the end people vote for the guy with the most air time and the biggest bullshit smile. The real power to do anything falls in the hands of professional lobbyists, lawyers, and a fantastically ingenious system of institutionalized corruption (campaign contributions etc).
You have leaders who will sit above you and say straight out that because cryptography is the ONLY way you have a chance gain true privacy, they will fight it at any cost. You have a press and a people willing to advocate in infringement on the most basic freedoms as long as it is under the guise of "save our children".
You don't need a revolution. You need a fucking nihilism. You need to tear the whole thing down and start right from the beginning. Democracy may have served the braindead masses of the Industrial age - but only one kind of state can hold the networks of the information age. The individual is all.
Agreed. I was there when I lived in Jakarta (it seems most westerners live in Jakarta only because it's half way between Singapore and Bali), and while Jakarta has its (very distinct) hellish aspects (try breathing) at least it is a living hell, not the dead, faceless, mall-on-every-block, shopping-zombie hell of Singapore...
You want to see a meticulously controlled society modeled and planned to create some sort of rich u/dis-topia using technology look no further (or no closer I guess).
It was Gibson, who in an Article for Wired a few years ago called it "Disneyland with the death penalty."
The majority of the VCD piracy is done by us here in Europe because we get curious about movies that won't come out here for another six months. Phantom Menace came out here this week, of fucking course people pirated it back in May.
Before the Internet, I didn't used to give a damn about the late releases, but now it burns like fuck to hear everyone discussing BWP and knowing that I won't be able to see it here until in October.
If the movie companies would just get that, 90% of the current problem would go away.
Can you really stand up and claim that the companies that sell intellectual property are making too little money today???
Microsoft? The record companies? Book publishers? These are the most bloated and rich companies in the world. Why? Becase we are giving them ridiculously much power through current IP laws.
And the result is, surprise surprise, not as IP advocates always claim, that people doing truly innovative and new stuff can do so, but rather the creation of tons of crappy software, crappy music, and crappy books.
There has to be a shift of the scale here, and I'll be damned if that shift is towards giving MORE power to the companies.
Does anyone know why Intel decided to get the IA-64 design from HP in first place? I mean, Intel are the biggest chip company in the world right, so wtf can't they make a 64 bit processor on their own when DEC, SUN, HP and company can?
Same thing with the Pentium/K7 situation, Intel have been adding a little cache here, and a few instructions there, and but it takes smaller AMD to come up with the first really new i386 processor in 5 years. What gives?
I'm always a little suspicious of articles from MSNBC, and as far as I can tell, the point they are trying to make with this article is that we would be so much better off if the Internet were run from above by a government, or maybe, like, say, what about MSATAN!
I'm no legal expert, and from what I have seen of the American legal system so far, I'm probably wrong about this, but the best interest of shareholders can onyl go so far.
All the investors invested in Redhat full knowing that they give away their distribution and hope to make money off services and support. That's their bussiness. Whether or not this bussiness has a future or not, is a different matter.
I mean, I can't buy stocks in a company that sells Apples and then sue them because the Orange bussiness is more profitable, can I?
Wow, that is like deep and freaky man, but like, dude, I got something even more out there.
Like, imagine this dude who lives in the mirror right. What he would call right, would be what I call left, and what he would call left, would be what I call right.
>The first radio waves produced by this world probably haven`t reached the nearest solar system to ours yet so this argument in particular is flawed.
So we invented radio in like 1994 then? Funny I don't remember hearing anything about it at the time.
And more to the point, it doesn't really matter when the stuff was sent out. If we listen to the sky for ten years, we will hear ten years worth of radio waves form every planet newer in years then lightyear distance to it. Since we cannot visit the ETs anyways, it hardly matters whether they created the waves now or 2 billion years ago...
A better argument would be, that if someone pointed a radio telescope at earth, the chances are one in 50,000,000 that the radio waves reaching them from earth at that time would be those from when humans were creating "intelligent" radio.
Of course, Aliens that were alive 2 billion years ago aren't likely to be kidnapping rednecks and farm animals.
Slashdot Mirror
CS is applied Math. Sorta like digging is applied Geology, and playing with shit is applied Biology.
Sorry, couldn't resist
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Ok, you get it. Or you get half it.
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
You are completely right that Privacy has is gone and that we will only see
less of it in the future. No amount of lobbying and trying to get the
Government to pass protective laws (like the European ban on publishing
personal information online - a good idea, for a long gone age) can stop the
developement.
If I had a direct connection to the Internet, I could gladly consider putting a
Camera in my bedroom. Why not? I don't do anything in here
that other people don't do. I am not ashamed of my actions, and I stand for
everything I say and do.
BUT, this is exactly why governments are so dangerous in the information
age. With no privacy in our lives and all our information available at a cost,
all Governments necessarily become tyranees. We cannot let ourselves be
ruled by those who have the ability to find out everything about us - or we
will quickly find ourselves crowding into that little corner of the room that
big brother can't see, just to jot down a few lines in a secret diary.
And, everything about the information age that makes the authorative world
frightening, when seen in the light of a free (anarchist if you will) world
becomes an advantage. Yes, you can get away with crime, but in a society where
all the information you create follows you forever, you can never get away
FROM your crimes. You don't have a state police to keep us secure, but you do
have the eyes of the world on you, always, and there will never be a dark alley
to get mugged and murdered in again.
Now, it's obviously a big step to say that we should just toss our
governments out today. The information age is not hear yet, and fast
transitions often cause much pain. But could it be more clear what direction
we should be moving in?
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I think Amiga has enough of a history with the nerds of the world to justify being mentioned run as a topic on Slashdot. I never had one, but I knew I know more Nerds who did then who didn't.
Yes, there is a measure of pitiful in these attempts to resurect it, but we should at least feign interest - if not otherwise then out of respect.
And consider, if the best case scenario does happen, this good be a Very Good Thing (tm).
btw, I don't believe there are computers at all in most BMWs. German cars are still centered around solid engineering.
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I don't agree at all. I'm not exactly planning to do my graduate studies in America, but it is an option, so I am interested in hearing what goes and what doesn't.
Obviously it isn't a too interesting topic if you are not interested in graduate studies, but I think you can show at least a little tolerance. And hey, American students can come here (Europe) to study, so pitch our schools at him them.
Anyone have some opinions for those of us more into Math than CS?
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More like something you tell them as late in the relationship as possible ("Well it is nice whether today, andsometimesIcodeinVB, don't you think? Did I mention how great you look?")
You wouldn't put recent bouts with foot warts in a personal add...
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This a very important point. The governments ARE as paranoid about computer crimes as they are about drugs, because, once again, they are going right into a loosing battle at everyones cost.
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
The war on computer crimes (especially piracy) that the American government is so eager to step up, is just the "war on drugs" all over again, and it threatens to do to our computer networks what the latter has done to our city centers.
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Actually, up here in Scandinavia the heat goes away as soon as the days start getting shorter, so we don't take vacations around this time of year. Its cold now, I'm considering a jacket when I take my dog out in a few minutes...
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
Nothern vacations are usually in June to early July...
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Personally, I thought that was rather nice, Americans wanting to hear what I thought the Internet had done to their society.
- Greater acknowledgement of inherent intellectual inferiority
- Ain't not as many double negatives
- Learning to eat with a knife and fork (that must be pure wishful thinking...)
Hell, most of the people who responded to this topic probably don't know what pablum means.
pablum n 1: a form of cereal for infants [syn: Pablum] 2: a diet that does not
require chewing; advised for those with intestinal disorders [syn: soft diet,
pap, spoon food] 3: worthless or oversimplified ideas [syn: pap]
Obviously, he was reffering to the cereal.. (duh)
Cause if it isn't, I can't remember hitting one of the top 50 sites in the last month (if cnn.com doesn't count). And reading slashdot tends to diversify my surfing, since I get sent off all over the place to read the articles (first time at LA-Times this month).
I think it is to early in the developement of the web to start pointing at these trends. Most people are still relative newbies, and tend towards the big sites they know.
My experience is the opposite, new people to the web hit sites like yahoo and the search engines all the time, while people who are used to the web almost never touch them (and when they do they use the better but less fancy ones like Google and alltheweb).
Why do you feel it necessary to be an AC? I will say right here, with identity and email address easily traceable back to me IRL, that the American "democracy" has gone so far from any ideals of such a system that the more I learn about it the more it scares me.
Like what, a quarter of you bother to vote at all? You have two political parties, always using the same rhetoric against one another, never arguing any real issues (the US is a one party state - one politic, two policies), and in the end people vote for the guy with the most air time and the biggest bullshit smile. The real power to do anything falls in the hands of professional lobbyists, lawyers, and a fantastically ingenious system of institutionalized corruption (campaign contributions etc).
You have leaders who will sit above you and say straight out that because cryptography is the ONLY way you have a chance gain true privacy, they will fight it at any cost. You have a press and a people willing to advocate in infringement on the most basic freedoms as long as it is under the guise of "save our children".
You don't need a revolution. You need a fucking nihilism. You need to tear the whole thing down and start right from the beginning. Democracy may have served the braindead masses of the Industrial age - but only one kind of state can hold the networks of the information age. The individual is all.
wow... I feel better now
Agreed. I was there when I lived in Jakarta (it seems most westerners live in Jakarta only because it's half way between Singapore and Bali), and while Jakarta has its (very distinct) hellish aspects (try breathing) at least it is a living hell, not the dead, faceless, mall-on-every-block, shopping-zombie hell of Singapore...
You want to see a meticulously controlled society modeled and planned to create some sort of rich u/dis-topia using technology look no further (or no closer I guess).
It was Gibson, who in an Article for Wired a few years ago called it "Disneyland with the death penalty."
Well, not in America anyways. In Belgium I think they would.
But then there is a lot of stuff you guys do daily that we would get locked up for here (double negatives...)
If you have any self distance what so ever you will realise that this is just a matter of habit.
/home/Librarian/ directory as well...
Personally, I agree with you, I love holding books, flipping pages, and I love watching my personal library grow: but it is just habit.
I've learned to love my mp3 collection like I loved my CDs, I believe I could learn to love my
The majority of the VCD piracy is done by us here in Europe because we get curious about movies that won't come out here for another six months. Phantom Menace came out here this week, of fucking course people pirated it back in May.
Before the Internet, I didn't used to give a damn about the late releases, but now it burns like fuck to hear everyone discussing BWP and knowing that I won't be able to see it here until in October.
If the movie companies would just get that, 90% of the current problem would go away.
Can you really stand up and claim that the companies that sell intellectual property are making too little money today???
Microsoft? The record companies? Book publishers? These are the most bloated and rich companies in the world. Why? Becase we are giving them ridiculously much power through current IP laws.
And the result is, surprise surprise, not as IP advocates always claim, that people doing truly innovative and new stuff can do so, but rather the creation of tons of crappy software, crappy music, and crappy books.
There has to be a shift of the scale here, and I'll be damned if that shift is towards giving MORE power to the companies.
Yes, you are legally bound to give out your keys if they have a subpoena. That is the whole point with it.
Did I mention those have to go too?
Does anyone know why Intel decided to get the IA-64 design from HP in first place? I mean, Intel are the biggest chip company in the world right, so wtf can't they make a 64 bit processor on their own when DEC, SUN, HP and company can?
Same thing with the Pentium/K7 situation, Intel have been adding a little cache here, and a few instructions there, and but it takes smaller AMD to come up with the first really new i386 processor in 5 years. What gives?
If your going to complain about other peoples ignorance...
I'm always a little suspicious of articles from MSNBC, and as far as I can tell, the point they are trying to make with this article is that we would be so much better off if the Internet were run from above by a government, or maybe, like, say, what about MSATAN!
>(Were you born? Ever? Then you owe me twenty dollars. On top of the ten above.)
My government takes half my income, and somehow I agreed to that because I was born here...
I'm no legal expert, and from what I have seen of the American legal system so far, I'm probably wrong about this, but the best interest of shareholders can onyl go so far.
All the investors invested in Redhat full knowing that they give away their distribution and hope to make money off services and support. That's their bussiness. Whether or not this bussiness has a future or not, is a different matter.
I mean, I can't buy stocks in a company that sells Apples and then sue them because the Orange bussiness is more profitable, can I?
Wow, that is like deep and freaky man, but like, dude, I got something even more out there.
Like, imagine this dude who lives in the mirror right. What he would call right, would be what I call left, and what he would call left, would be what I call right.
Deep shit...
>The first radio waves produced by this world probably haven`t reached the nearest solar system to ours yet so this argument in particular is flawed.
So we invented radio in like 1994 then? Funny I don't remember hearing anything about it at the time.
And more to the point, it doesn't really matter when the stuff was sent out. If we listen to the sky for ten years, we will hear ten years worth of radio waves form every planet newer in years then lightyear distance to it. Since we cannot visit the ETs anyways, it hardly matters whether they created the waves now or 2 billion years ago...
A better argument would be, that if someone pointed a radio telescope at earth, the chances are one in 50,000,000 that the radio waves reaching them from earth at that time would be those from when humans were creating "intelligent" radio.
Of course, Aliens that were alive 2 billion years ago aren't likely to be kidnapping rednecks and farm animals.