Re:MAPS sucks. (why was this flamebaited?)
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This, moderators, is the another side of the argument. Kudos to the moderator who moderated it up, flames to the moderator who tagged it flamebait. It looks like an honest opinion. Honest opinions -- even if unpopular or misinformed -- do not deserve to be moderated down as flamebait. Please reconsider.
Yeah, like buying another round for everyone in Florida! Or, any of a thousand other worthy projects. Naturally, if you give government a lot of money, it will eventually find ways to offend all of us. Me, I'm not offended by this one... After all, it is cheap!;)
Who knows the risks of this particular venture better: experienced traders or those of us who live in this world? I would suggest hackers are among the most sophisticated and knowlegable in these market segments.
On your point about being fair to E*Trade, I agree. They just don't understand the situation. If they are going to handle it, however, they need to learn fast!
All of the evidence points to exactly the problem that the author describes. Seti@home needs to write a second client to handle the division of work and "graduate" some of the reliable, high performing volunteers into producing the units of work for others.
Their fundamental problem is that they only distributed the analysis portion. Now that the overall load has become unbalanced, they need to distribute one more piece of the workload.
AOL has a weird scheme where IP's get issued per connection, not by session! Therefore, they would have a unusually long log of who is using what IP address at exactly what times. I don't doubt that they keep such records, however, but I would be surprised if they keep them for very long periods of time.
I log IP's for users logging onto my system but I only keep the detail for a few days. I keep track of IP's as part of an effort to keep players from running more accounts than is permitted. For AOL users, I only keep the first few IP addresses -- I have no idea how many different IP addresses average AOL session might use.
However, unless a provider makes no logs of connections, it is easily possible to trace connections back to the originator. Since the network has to know where each packet of an interactive session is going, a way to trace the connection must always exist.
If some wings of our (U.S) government have their way, I would expect to eventually see packet logging required at all routers! Of course, performance and costs would take a big hit, but hey, it'd be for the "war on drugs" or "for the children", right?
It was a little too well done to really be a script kiddie. Because of its logical consistency, it surely is deliberately funny.
It is as if a draftee has scored a zero on a multiple choice military entrance exam. No one will believe the draftee is mentally unqualified because no one scores a zero on a multiple choice test without actually knowing the answers.
Not anymore! The all powerful Windos advocacy sight is too powerful to stay down long. It is back and it is pretty good. Like Space Cadet. I was so inspired that I have repented and written the guy a fan letter.
Yep... *people* scanning the entire web. uh huh! It sounds like an exercise in futility -- and, yet, they're selling this stuff to PHB's in the school systems.
With the obvious loopholes, I can see this article inspiring link sites that add new unblocked porn sites immediately *after* each new release of Bess.
...my desktop with a 16.5" LCD! My desktop now has a 15" CRT (14 viewable;) so the new "laptop" display represents a huge upgrade in screen area for my desktop... I'm so cheap, however, that it'll be two or three years before I ditch this 15" tube!
Weren't the movie rating put in place to avoid laws? I think the problem is deeper than Theater studio policy. We are, to paraphrase you, getting way too close to a "kinder, gentler" USSR.
The article isn't clear that these are individual disk drives; rather, they seem to be describing a "storage appliance" or a disk array. The kicker that they go to 11 Terabytes suggests the latter.
Yes, I too would love to see just what the brilliant Compaq patents are that E Machines is using without permission. I've seen too many trivial and unoriginal patents to believe this without so much as a description of the intellectual property involved.
Agreed. The real problem here is not the theaters but rather our "big brother" culture and our "nanny state" government. If theaters were really free to show whatever they wanted to anyone they wanted (with parents permission for minors, even) they would do so and this would not be a public problem. They are not free to even serve hot coffee with impunity, much less show a good movie to a 15 year old with Mommy's permission.
We pay a lot for government and, heaven help us, we get a lot of it.
Even though strikes are rare they remain the bargaining power of unions. Take away that power and you have a toothless union. Worse, you have a union that has no real bargaining leverage on behalf of its members but is capable of bargaining away benefits!
I've actually seen this in practice. I am a member of a non-striking union that, some years ago, bargained for moving our COLA raise up from January to November. We gained two months of raise but the union accepted a lower amount, having no other leverage to apply toward their goal. I calculated the break-even point to be April or May... and we've lost money ever since as a result of this "union" action on our behalf. A union that cannot strike is not a union. Management will never confuse such a "union" with a real one that has the power to strike but doesn't use it often.
Similarly, a company must retain the right to fire striking union members or it loses its leverage -- and, ultimately, its competitive advantage. If a company fires its striking workforce it is either making a big mistake or it has calculated that they can be replaced at lower cost. This latter option must be allowed in order to keep the economic house in order.
Yes, it reminds me of another programmable gate array article posted on slashdot a couple of months ago. That one was a bit difficult to believe also. Personally, I wonder about the complexity of the "compiler" that will run these things.
One thing you can say for them: like the company in the earlier article, they have no shortage of self-confidence!
Heck, I think there must be a 3D rendering engine and a few early versions of the HURD in there too! And, deep in its inner core, there is a tiny clone of vi that does the text editing.;-)
I missed that your suggestion *was* to have them do a sampling based on the result. Sorry. Of course, the overhead here rises with the confidence level they seek... A solution, but a costly one. Have you done the math on just how big a performance hit this would entail?
You have some valid points here... In the gaming world the rule is Never, ever trust the client!
D.net has made a game out of this with the scoring and has thereby introduced a new set of incentives that are inconsistent with the stated goal.
I have to agree with your point about the stupidity of "security through obscurity". Your point about them being able to spot bogus blocks is almost certainly true. Unless they have a very lightweight crosscheck algorithm that is insignificant relative to the workload, then they are at best exagerating. The idea that there is a certain shortcut crosscheck, as opposed to a sampling approach of course, suggests a major cryptographic weakness itself.
For a "flamebait" comment, you have a hell of an argument.;)
But the question still remains: What is the solution you recommended? Post it here for a little friendly peer review.
...when a Pixar spokesperson denies knowlege of it?
Or, are they just keeping the noise level down until they decide whether or not to do it?
The original was great... I would not want to see a remake that just adds more modern animation. On the other hand, I would love to see a well-done sequel. Only, maybe this time they should use more Unix terminology and fewer Burroughs (Unisys) terms!
As always, the devil will be in the details. If 1-10, 100, and 1000 watt stations are licensed it could be a wonderful opening of radio to all points of view. Just don't count on it.
My pessimistic inner self keeps screaming two things: First, the FCC is a bureaucracy that might easily be persuaded into burdening these new classes of station with enough regulations, fees, and hoops to jump through as to make the whole concept meaningless. Second, the big broadcasters will fight a genuinely liberal small station policy to the death.
My fear on this is that the micro station classes will be created but only one or two percent of people who would like to run one will be able to get by the red tape and costs. It will be a big P.R. victory for the FCC. Perhaps even the big broadcasters will "support" it and claim some high moral ground. Just remember, when the red drains from the faces of the radio establishment honchos and is replaced by benevolent smiles, be very, very suspicious!
Microsoft likes to play Calvinball [Ed. note: Calvinball is a game where Calvin makes up all the rules as the game is played and you can never use the same rule twice.] but only when MS gets to be Calvin. I guess they, like Calvin, don't like their own tactics used against them.
I can hear the cry already: "But you critized MS for using those tactics. To be consistent you must critize AOL for using them against MS."
Sorry, but as an Old School disciplinarian I must wait for the "eye for an eye" standard to be satisfied before I complain about others using MS's tactics against them.;)
My first two machines were an Atari 400 and 800. I paid $400 for the 400 and $1300 for that 800 (with 40 column printer, external disk drive, 40K RAM -- used). I even wrote a video game for it. Sometimes I remember that first 400 and get a little nostalgic -- then I remember that Fred still has it... he paid me $250 for the bare Atari 400 and maybe a Star Raiders cartridge. If I ever get too sad I can always buy it back.;)
...and SMS not one (assuming SMS not being one is part of your point)? Is it based on the intent, background, reputation, or nicknames of the developers? Or is there some technical reason to make BO2K a cracking tool and SMS not one?
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This, moderators, is the another side of the argument. Kudos to the moderator who moderated it up, flames to the moderator who tagged it flamebait. It looks like an honest opinion. Honest opinions -- even if unpopular or misinformed -- do not deserve to be moderated down as flamebait. Please reconsider.
Yeah, like buying another round for everyone in Florida! Or, any of a thousand other worthy projects. Naturally, if you give government a lot of money, it will eventually find ways to offend all of us. Me, I'm not offended by this one... After all, it is cheap! ;)
Who knows the risks of this particular venture better: experienced traders or those of us who live in this world? I would suggest hackers are among the most sophisticated and knowlegable in these market segments.
On your point about being fair to E*Trade, I agree. They just don't understand the situation. If they are going to handle it, however, they need to learn fast!
All of the evidence points to exactly the problem that the author describes. Seti@home needs to write a second client to handle the division of work and "graduate" some of the reliable, high performing volunteers into producing the units of work for others.
Their fundamental problem is that they only distributed the analysis portion. Now that the overall load has become unbalanced, they need to distribute one more piece of the workload.
AOL has a weird scheme where IP's get issued per connection, not by session! Therefore, they would have a unusually long log of who is using what IP address at exactly what times. I don't doubt that they keep such records, however, but I would be surprised if they keep them for very long periods of time.
I log IP's for users logging onto my system but I only keep the detail for a few days. I keep track of IP's as part of an effort to keep players from running more accounts than is permitted. For AOL users, I only keep the first few IP addresses -- I have no idea how many different IP addresses average AOL session might use.
However, unless a provider makes no logs of connections, it is easily possible to trace connections back to the originator. Since the network has to know where each packet of an interactive session is going, a way to trace the connection must always exist.
If some wings of our (U.S) government have their way, I would expect to eventually see packet logging required at all routers! Of course, performance and costs would take a big hit, but hey, it'd be for the "war on drugs" or "for the children", right?
...Uh, I'll believe that when they ban me from posting here! ;)
Don't let them ruin your good name, Rob.
It was a little too well done to really be a script kiddie. Because of its logical consistency, it surely is deliberately funny.
It is as if a draftee has scored a zero on a multiple choice military entrance exam. No one will believe the draftee is mentally unqualified because no one scores a zero on a multiple choice test without actually knowing the answers.
Not anymore! The all powerful Windos advocacy sight is too powerful to stay down long. It is back and it is pretty good. Like Space Cadet. I was so inspired that I have repented and written the guy a fan letter.
Yep... *people* scanning the entire web. uh huh! It sounds like an exercise in futility -- and, yet, they're selling this stuff to PHB's in the school systems.
With the obvious loopholes, I can see this article inspiring link sites that add new unblocked porn sites immediately *after* each new release of Bess.
...my desktop with a 16.5" LCD! My desktop now has a 15" CRT (14 viewable ;) so the new "laptop" display represents a huge upgrade in screen area for my desktop... I'm so cheap, however, that it'll be two or three years before I ditch this 15" tube!
Weren't the movie rating put in place to avoid laws? I think the problem is deeper than Theater studio policy. We are, to paraphrase you, getting way too close to a "kinder, gentler" USSR.
The article isn't clear that these are individual disk drives; rather, they seem to be describing a "storage appliance" or a disk array. The kicker that they go to 11 Terabytes suggests the latter.
Yes, I too would love to see just what the brilliant Compaq patents are that E Machines is using without permission. I've seen too many trivial and unoriginal patents to believe this without so much as a description of the intellectual property involved.
Is anyone aware of the substance of this suit?
Agreed. The real problem here is not the theaters but rather our "big brother" culture and our "nanny state" government. If theaters were really free to show whatever they wanted to anyone they wanted (with parents permission for minors, even) they would do so and this would not be a public problem. They are not free to even serve hot coffee with impunity, much less show a good movie to a 15 year old with Mommy's permission.
We pay a lot for government and, heaven help us, we get a lot of it.
Even though strikes are rare they remain the bargaining power of unions. Take away that power and you have a toothless union. Worse, you have a union that has no real bargaining leverage on behalf of its members but is capable of bargaining away benefits!
I've actually seen this in practice. I am a member of a non-striking union that, some years ago, bargained for moving our COLA raise up from January to November. We gained two months of raise but the union accepted a lower amount, having no other leverage to apply toward their goal. I calculated the break-even point to be April or May... and we've lost money ever since as a result of this "union" action on our behalf. A union that cannot strike is not a union. Management will never confuse such a "union" with a real one that has the power to strike but doesn't use it often.
Similarly, a company must retain the right to fire striking union members or it loses its leverage -- and, ultimately, its competitive advantage. If a company fires its striking workforce it is either making a big mistake or it has calculated that they can be replaced at lower cost. This latter option must be allowed in order to keep the economic house in order.
"Our systems administrators have been notified and are working to fix the problem."
Maybe their Sysadmins are on strike!
Yes, it reminds me of another programmable gate array article posted on slashdot a couple of months ago. That one was a bit difficult to believe also. Personally, I wonder about the complexity of the "compiler" that will run these things.
One thing you can say for them: like the company in the earlier article, they have no shortage of self-confidence!
Heck, I think there must be a 3D rendering engine and a few early versions of the HURD in there too! And, deep in its inner core, there is a tiny clone of vi that does the text editing. ;-)
I missed that your suggestion *was* to have them do a sampling based on the result. Sorry. Of course, the overhead here rises with the confidence level they seek... A solution, but a costly one. Have you done the math on just how big a performance hit this would entail?
You have some valid points here... In the gaming world the rule is Never, ever trust the client!
;)
D.net has made a game out of this with the scoring and has thereby introduced a new set of incentives that are inconsistent with the stated goal.
I have to agree with your point about the stupidity of "security through obscurity". Your point about them being able to spot bogus blocks is almost certainly true. Unless they have a very lightweight crosscheck algorithm that is insignificant relative to the workload, then they are at best exagerating. The idea that there is a certain shortcut crosscheck, as opposed to a sampling approach of course, suggests a major cryptographic weakness itself.
For a "flamebait" comment, you have a hell of an argument.
But the question still remains: What is the solution you recommended? Post it here for a little friendly peer review.
...when a Pixar spokesperson denies knowlege of it?
Or, are they just keeping the noise level down until they decide whether or not to do it?
The original was great... I would not want to see a remake that just adds more modern animation. On the other hand, I would love to see a well-done sequel. Only, maybe this time they should use more Unix terminology and fewer Burroughs (Unisys) terms!
As always, the devil will be in the details. If 1-10, 100, and 1000 watt stations are licensed it could be a wonderful opening of radio to all points of view. Just don't count on it.
My pessimistic inner self keeps screaming two things: First, the FCC is a bureaucracy that might easily be persuaded into burdening these new classes of station with enough regulations, fees, and hoops to jump through as to make the whole concept meaningless. Second, the big broadcasters will fight a genuinely liberal small station policy to the death.
My fear on this is that the micro station classes will be created but only one or two percent of people who would like to run one will be able to get by the red tape and costs. It will be a big P.R. victory for the FCC. Perhaps even the big broadcasters will "support" it and claim some high moral ground. Just remember, when the red drains from the faces of the radio establishment honchos and is replaced by benevolent smiles, be very, very suspicious!
...but with Hobbes usurping Calvin's authority.
;)
Microsoft likes to play Calvinball [Ed. note: Calvinball is a game where Calvin makes up all the rules as the game is played and you can never use the same rule twice.] but only when MS gets to be Calvin. I guess they, like Calvin, don't like their own tactics used against them.
I can hear the cry already: "But you critized MS for using those tactics. To be consistent you must critize AOL for using them against MS."
Sorry, but as an Old School disciplinarian I must wait for the "eye for an eye" standard to be satisfied before I complain about others using MS's tactics against them.
My first two machines were an Atari 400 and 800. I paid $400 for the 400 and $1300 for that 800 (with 40 column printer, external disk drive, 40K RAM -- used). I even wrote a video game for it. Sometimes I remember that first 400 and get a little nostalgic -- then I remember that Fred still has it ... he paid me $250 for the bare Atari 400 and maybe a Star Raiders cartridge. If I ever get too sad I can always buy it back. ;)
BTW, Star Raiders rULeS!!
...and SMS not one (assuming SMS not being one is part of your point)? Is it based on the intent, background, reputation, or nicknames of the developers? Or is there some technical reason to make BO2K a cracking tool and SMS not one?