yah and while that is going on, all of the pharmeceutical compainies are going to decide to give their medicines to the poor who are sick. Oh yah and politicians are going to actually do something good for the country. Dreaming is good... waking up sucks
A lot of good points hae been made on both sides here. While I cannot stand when a service company treats the customers like pariah and to quote Lili Tomlin from SNL, "We dont care. we're the phone company we dont have to." I am equally scared of a govt running it. Not for all the reasons stated here about privacy and freedom of speech, but simply because I am from Baton Rouge, and I know LA govt. It is innefecient at best and more often just plain corrupt. I am willing to bet that this project goes over double itsbudget and service ends up worse than what waas there before.
you are aware that the supreme court ruled that catching cable signals out of the air was not illegal in 1981, if th signal was not scrambled. Thus the satelite revolution in the 80s, and the later advent of the illegal descramblers.
in 1981 the US Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to receive any signal in the air, it was illegal to descramble it. This is why HBO started scrambling their signals. There really was left no room for interpretation on this issue, and it totally amazes me that somebody is trying to bring it back up. If you do not use the minimal security, you have no leg to stand on according to the Supreme Court. Maybe somebody wants to have this retried but with the availibility of even the simplest security to cya, and chosing not to use it, the Supreme court will probably not even hear it again. this is also a good example of why police should have to get law degrees: arresting somebody for a law that the useless spineless cop knew nothing about should make that cop spend time in jail.
from the dcma chapter 3 "And again, similar definitions for the special terms:
(A) to "circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure" means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and
(B) a technological measure "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title. {FN144: 17 U.S.C. 1201(b)(2)}
The technological measure does not need to be flawless in its protection in order to be protected. Instead, the provisions are intended to protect mechanisms that are simple, like the Audio Home Recording Act's Serial Copy Management System, which uses only two bits of control information (one to indicate it is a work to be protected, the other indicating that it is an original copy) but is effective since there are no legal digital audio recording devices that don't honor the system.
The practical, common-sense approach taken by H.R. 2281 is that if, in the ordinary course of its operation, a technology actually works in the defined ways to control access to a work, or to control copying, distribution, public performance, or the exercise of other exclusive rights in a work, then the "effectiveness" test is met, and the prohibitions of the statute are applicable. This test, which focuses on the function performed by the technology, provides a sufficient basis for clear interpretation. It applies equally to technologies used to protect access to works whether in analog or digital formats. {FN145: H.R. Judiciary Comm. Print 105-6 at 10}
Congress indicated that even a simple password control could be an effective technological measure.
For example, if unauthorized access to a copyrighted work is effectively prevented through use of a password, it would be a violation of this section to defeat or bypass the password and to make the means to do so, as long as the primary purpose of the means was to perform this kind of act. {FN146: Sen. Rep. No. 105-190 at 11}
"In fact, there is no need to protect a technological measure that is so good that it cannot be circumvented. Instead, you want to use the law to allow technological measures that are simple and inexpensive. As an analogy, imagine what your home doors would look like if there were no laws against burglary and you had to use only technology to protect your new, big-screen television. Instead, because there is a law against "circumventing" a locked door, most people get by with an inexpensive lock, even though an expert could open it with little difficulty."
while this is true, that countries outside the US may be free from US law, they are still buond by US trade. The US could, and possibly would, put strong trade regulations on countries that dont follow suit with this new beuracrocy. Or they could just go the maniachal way of China and filter all internet from the outside world (aor attempt to at least). the problem is politicians in this great and free land always overreact when they finally react at all. Something like this is quite plausable with the right wing in charge now. Hell most of them cant even spell WWW (they just think people are chanting repeatedly for their fearles leader), but look at it is the great new threat.
we are not at war with china for the same reasons that: When PATCO struck (air traffic controllers) they were fired and replaced, but when the US postal service struck the same year no dsiciplinary action at all was taken. We do not try to make examples out of the big boys. Coe on, think about it.. how many Hijackers from 911 came from Iraq? How many from Saudi Arabia?
Message writting on a keyboard made in Canada with parts made in.. Taiwan, interpreted by processors and motherboard made in China, seen on a monitor made in China
Maybe the simplest reason for not going to war with China is that without Chinese goods we wouldnt have anything to fight with.
"If you don't have any faith in the system then move somewhere else. Just stop whining you whiners! A freakin' whambulance is on the way."
You know I have never had any of the problems you spoke of from the government it self either,,,,,, but wait a government of the people by the people and for the people. I had my Kerry sign stolen 3 times out of my yard and one bumper sticker stolen by loud mouths like you who say if I don't like it leave.. how about this.. as an American, if I don't like it I will complain, and maybe complain loud enough and with enough other people to change the system. That is what America is about and you Dictatorial arses don't like that then move to Saudi Arabia or someplace without a freedom of speech, but do not try to censor me you low life piece of phlegm caught in the mouth of a genital crab.
I sent a letter to him basically saying what you saidm, but added this point: In my humble opinion, both of these pale in comparison to the fact that you totally neglected to mention the fact that there are serious security holes in the current system. It has been demonstrated time and time again that there are serious holes in the current system. at one point you actually say, "There's a disconnect between the headlines and the actuality, which is that the machines are working pretty well, but that they're part of a process that involves people and procedures." This is simply innacurate. please look at specific problems within this system:
dioscaido seems to have a misconception of the word spyware, or a vengeance against google, not sure which. This is not transmitting any information to a 3rd party, or for that matter to any party. the information is gathered on your computer and so far cannot be remotely accessed (though I am curious as too how long it will take somebody to exploit this index). This software does not maliscously install. you have to choose to put it on your computer. This in no way resembles spyware, and calling it such is a prime example of why people dont take us seriously everytime we cry wolf.
If you want to worry about a problem with this indexing service worry about what can be done with it if accessed remotely.
We democrats should have put together a grass roots campaign to get Pat Buchannan or another ultra conservative on the polls. Shame we didnt think of it in time..:(
I dont know if it will help, but maybe if enough of us flod the major news agencies with the Demonstration at http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html#step bystep maybe they will give in and run this. So here are some contacts: Nightly@NBC.com http://www.abcnews.go. com/sections/wnt/WorldNewsTo night/WNT_newemail_form.html cbsnews.com click on contact us http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/
I know they know about this, but maybe they dont know how much we already know.
Yes you CAN be charged, but it would never hold up in court. It is a public channel and the courts ruled in 1981 that it is legal to receive the signal from public airways. You cannot decrypt any encrypted signal, so if you were arrested for it you would ahve a nice lawsuit on your hands.
if this was in the USA, actually thanks to HBO in 1981 it is NOT illegal the officer was completely wrong. the law is very clear on this. It is not illegal to take any signal out of the air. it is however illegal to decrypt a signal. That is why HBO ended up having to scramble their signals. They were sueing provate satellite dish owners and manufacturers for copyright infringement. The US supreme court held that if it was not encrypted, it was indeed public domain. Secondly, the FCC has detemined certain channels to be public use. the 2.4 gig range used by WI/Fi is among those.
With all the real threats to our privacy out there, this is the one ya choose to worry about? All major companies data mine in some form. They are tracking the store's sales information in this instance, not yours. Most stores do not release client credit card information to wholesalers. They simply dont have the technology at most stores to do this even if they wanted to. Your neighborhood Piggly Wiggly in most towns are still running old NCR cash registers, and you thnk they are gathering PII about you from those? Holy cow, maybe we better hurry up and break out he Aluminum foil hats before the Budweiser starts probing our thoughts and sends beer trucks in our paths when we are feeling thirsty.
You tell God, " Nothing, I was just checking out some of the stuff you placed in the garden."
God tells you, "This tree is not something you should worry about.."
You tell God, "You placed it here, it must be here for a reason. And you gave me that woman who picked the fruit. Was I really supposed to not eat it?"
God tells you, "I am going to have to punish you for exploiting this> this was not intended for you. You are going to have to leave the garden."
/God appears God says Out of Character, "Hey Orville, you know better thanthat."
You say Out of Character, "what, God?" God says Out of Character, "flying, thats what."
You say out of character, ' yes, I found a way to use the system you put in place."
God says Out of Character, "this is not what I intended when i made gravity. This is a dileberate explopit of my environment."
You say out of character, "but God"
You have been summoned
God tells you, "take it to tells."
You tell God, "I really just used what you placed here."
God tells you, "I am sorry, but I did not put flight for you in the world for a reason and your discovering this exploit will make others want to fly."
You tell God, "how would that be a problem?"
God tells you, "It would introduce dynamics that I did not account for when i placed the gold and precious metals reserves that far away from people. It would allow for people to exploiut trade, group warfare, and probably many more things that I cannot even fathom right now." God tells you, "I am going to have to suspend your account for one month." You have entered a coma.
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I have filed a patent for forum and email signatures. You all owe me 2.5 cents or you ned to cease and dissist.... :P
yah and while that is going on, all of the pharmeceutical compainies are going to decide to give their medicines to the poor who are sick.
Oh yah and politicians are going to actually do something good for the country.
Dreaming is good... waking up sucks
A lot of good points hae been made on both sides here. While I cannot stand when a service company treats the customers like pariah and to quote Lili Tomlin from SNL, "We dont care. we're the phone company we dont have to."
I am equally scared of a govt running it. Not for all the reasons stated here about privacy and freedom of speech, but simply because I am from Baton Rouge, and I know LA govt. It is innefecient at best and more often just plain corrupt. I am willing to bet that this project goes over double itsbudget and service ends up worse than what waas there before.
you are aware that the supreme court ruled that catching cable signals out of the air was not illegal in 1981, if th signal was not scrambled. Thus the satelite revolution in the 80s, and the later advent of the illegal descramblers.
in 1981 the US Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to receive any signal in the air, it was illegal to descramble it. This is why HBO started scrambling their signals. There really was left no room for interpretation on this issue, and it totally amazes me that somebody is trying to bring it back up.
If you do not use the minimal security, you have no leg to stand on according to the Supreme Court.
Maybe somebody wants to have this retried but with the availibility of even the simplest security to cya, and chosing not to use it, the Supreme court will probably not even hear it again.
this is also a good example of why police should have to get law degrees: arresting somebody for a law that the useless spineless cop knew nothing about should make that cop spend time in jail.
from the dcma chapter 3
"And again, similar definitions for the special terms:
(A) to "circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure" means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and
(B) a technological measure "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title. {FN144: 17 U.S.C. 1201(b)(2)}
The technological measure does not need to be flawless in its protection in order to be protected. Instead, the provisions are intended to protect mechanisms that are simple, like the Audio Home Recording Act's Serial Copy Management System, which uses only two bits of control information (one to indicate it is a work to be protected, the other indicating that it is an original copy) but is effective since there are no legal digital audio recording devices that don't honor the system.
The practical, common-sense approach taken by H.R. 2281 is that if, in the ordinary course of its operation, a technology actually works in the defined ways to control access to a work, or to control copying, distribution, public performance, or the exercise of other exclusive rights in a work, then the "effectiveness" test is met, and the prohibitions of the statute are applicable. This test, which focuses on the function performed by the technology, provides a sufficient basis for clear interpretation. It applies equally to technologies used to protect access to works whether in analog or digital formats. {FN145: H.R. Judiciary Comm. Print 105-6 at 10}
Congress indicated that even a simple password control could be an effective technological measure.
For example, if unauthorized access to a copyrighted work is effectively prevented through use of a password, it would be a violation of this section to defeat or bypass the password and to make the means to do so, as long as the primary purpose of the means was to perform this kind of act. {FN146: Sen. Rep. No. 105-190 at 11}
"In fact, there is no need to protect a technological measure that is so good that it cannot be circumvented. Instead, you want to use the law to allow technological measures that are simple and inexpensive. As an analogy, imagine what your home doors would look like if there were no laws against burglary and you had to use only technology to protect your new, big-screen television. Instead, because there is a law against "circumventing" a locked door, most people get by with an inexpensive lock, even though an expert could open it with little difficulty."
while this is true, that countries outside the US may be free from US law, they are still buond by US trade. The US could, and possibly would, put strong trade regulations on countries that dont follow suit with this new beuracrocy.
Or they could just go the maniachal way of China and filter all internet from the outside world (aor attempt to at least).
the problem is politicians in this great and free land always overreact when they finally react at all. Something like this is quite plausable with the right wing in charge now. Hell most of them cant even spell WWW (they just think people are chanting repeatedly for their fearles leader), but look at it is the great new threat.
there is a program called noadaware, sometimes reffered to as hackthis that I find to remove eveno those tricky ones.
we are not at war with china for the same reasons that:
.. Taiwan, interpreted by processors and motherboard made in China, seen on a monitor made in China
When PATCO struck (air traffic controllers) they were fired and replaced, but when the US postal service struck the same year no dsiciplinary action at all was taken. We do not try to make examples out of the big boys.
Coe on, think about it.. how many Hijackers from 911 came from Iraq? How many from Saudi Arabia?
Message writting on a keyboard made in Canada with parts made in
Maybe the simplest reason for not going to war with China is that without Chinese goods we wouldnt have anything to fight with.
"If you don't have any faith in the system then move somewhere else. Just stop whining you whiners! A freakin' whambulance is on the way."
You know I have never had any of the problems you spoke of from the government it self either,,,,,, but wait a government of the people by the people and for the people. I had my Kerry sign stolen 3 times out of my yard and one bumper sticker stolen by loud mouths like you who say if I don't like it leave.. how about this.. as an American, if I don't like it I will complain, and maybe complain loud enough and with enough other people to change the system.
That is what America is about and you Dictatorial arses don't like that then move to Saudi Arabia or someplace without a freedom of speech, but do not try to censor me you low life piece of phlegm caught in the mouth of a genital crab.
I sent a letter to him basically saying what you saidm, but added this point:
. ht ml?tw=rss.TOP
In my humble opinion, both of these pale in comparison to the fact that you totally neglected to mention the fact that there are serious security holes in the current system. It has been demonstrated time and time again that there are serious holes in the current system. at one point you actually say, "There's a disconnect between the headlines and the actuality, which is that the machines are working pretty well, but that they're part of a process that involves people and procedures." This is simply innacurate. please look at specific problems within this system:
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65031,00
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/114
dioscaido seems to have a misconception of the word spyware, or a vengeance against google, not sure which.
This is not transmitting any information to a 3rd party, or for that matter to any party. the information is gathered on your computer and so far cannot be remotely accessed (though I am curious as too how long it will take somebody to exploit this index).
This software does not maliscously install. you have to choose to put it on your computer.
This in no way resembles spyware, and calling it such is a prime example of why people dont take us seriously everytime we cry wolf.
If you want to worry about a problem with this indexing service worry about what can be done with it if accessed remotely.
one of many definition: of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting different results.
hmm this can apply to both Nader and Bush supporters.
We democrats should have put together a grass roots campaign to get Pat Buchannan or another ultra conservative on the polls. Shame we didnt think of it in time..:(
I dont know if it will help, but maybe if enough of us flod the major news agencies with the Demonstration at http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html#step bystep. com/sections/wnt/WorldNewsTo night/WNT_newemail_form.html
maybe they will give in and run this. So here are some contacts:
Nightly@NBC.com
http://www.abcnews.go
cbsnews.com click on contact us
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/
I know they know about this, but maybe they dont know how much we already know.
Yes you CAN be charged, but it would never hold up in court. It is a public channel and the courts ruled in 1981 that it is legal to receive the signal from public airways. You cannot decrypt any encrypted signal, so if you were arrested for it you would ahve a nice lawsuit on your hands.
if this was in the USA, actually thanks to HBO in 1981 it is NOT illegal the officer was completely wrong. the law is very clear on this. It is not illegal to take any signal out of the air. it is however illegal to decrypt a signal. That is why HBO ended up having to scramble their signals. They were sueing provate satellite dish owners and manufacturers for copyright infringement. The US supreme court held that if it was not encrypted, it was indeed public domain.
Secondly, the FCC has detemined certain channels to be public use. the 2.4 gig range used by WI/Fi is among those.
With all the real threats to our privacy out there, this is the one ya choose to worry about? All major companies data mine in some form. They are tracking the store's sales information in this instance, not yours.
Most stores do not release client credit card information to wholesalers. They simply dont have the technology at most stores to do this even if they wanted to. Your neighborhood Piggly Wiggly in most towns are still running old NCR cash registers, and you thnk they are gathering PII about you from those?
Holy cow, maybe we better hurry up and break out he Aluminum foil hats before the Budweiser starts probing our thoughts and sends beer trucks in our paths when we are feeling thirsty.
SCO is suing IBM and others for patent infringement around the use of linuxx .en.htm l
http://swpat.ffii.org/pikta/xrani/sco/inde
do not buy or use any SCO products under any circumstances..
You awake from Coma
You tell God, "what is with all of these airplanes?"
God tells you, "Oh we decided to let people have planes after all. It turns out it did not wreck the game's dynamics after all."
You tell God, "?! but you suspended me for discovering this 'exploit'"
God tells you, "I am sorry, but we have since changed our policies. I will gladly restore you from your coma."
God tells you, "here have an apple."
God tells you, "Adam what are you doing?"
You tell God, "nothing, just looking around."
God tells you, "What are you doing by this tree?"
You tell God, " Nothing, I was just checking out some of the stuff you placed in the garden."
God tells you, "This tree is not something you should worry about.."
You tell God, "You placed it here, it must be here for a reason. And you gave me that woman who picked the fruit. Was I really supposed to not eat it?"
God tells you, "I am going to have to punish you for exploiting this> this was not intended for you. You are going to have to leave the garden."
You have been summoned.
Wait, maybe God does work for VI.
God tells you, "Benjamin, what are you doing?"
You tell God, "nothing. Just checking out this light that is in the air."
God tells you,, "Stay away from that Benjamin, that is not something you need to worry about."
You tell God, "but you put it here on Earth for a reason right?"
God tells you, "yeah, but you don't need to know what that reason is."
The Sky lights up
You are struck for 1500 points of electric damage
God tells you, "Now you've done it. I am going to have to suspend your account for one month."
You have entered a coma.
----
Look! Over there! It's an obvious distraction!
----
Avezes Mystique
SK from beyond
/God appears
God says Out of Character, "Hey Orville, you know better thanthat."
You say Out of Character, "what, God?"
God says Out of Character, "flying, thats what."
You say out of character, ' yes, I found a way to use the system you put in place."
God says Out of Character, "this is not what I intended when i made gravity. This is a dileberate explopit of my environment."
You say out of character, "but God"
You have been summoned
God tells you, "take it to tells."
You tell God, "I really just used what you placed here."
God tells you, "I am sorry, but I did not put flight for you in the world for a reason and your discovering this exploit will make others want to fly."
You tell God, "how would that be a problem?"
God tells you, "It would introduce dynamics that I did not account for when i placed the gold and precious metals reserves that far away from people. It would allow for people to exploiut trade, group warfare, and probably many more things that I cannot even fathom right now."
God tells you, "I am going to have to suspend your account for one month."
You have entered a coma.