How will these modules break up? I mean, if you build an app for Windows 8 on one UI paradigm, how does it suddenly translate to another (without a huge pile o' multi-anticipatory bloat at either the app or API side of the equation)? Or, err, is it all going to be lowest-common-denominator (e.g. the WP7 Metro UI) and called good?...and how will legacy apps actually use that if a module critical to said app is missing? I'll just table the whole architecture thing for the moment, because I don;t think anyone is going to seriously entertain the idea of loading {existing application} onto a Windows 8 x86 desktop, then expect to do the very same thing with the exact same install binaries on a Windows 8 ARM tablet...
In the middle ages muslims thought very highly of astronomy, so why would the guys wanting to base their society on that era be against astronomy?
...because Wahabbism (the sect of Islam from which the likes of AQ and Taliban are based) isn't exactly out to bring back the days of classical scientific inquiry. The Wahhabist concept of Islam is a lot like Pol Pot's concept of Communism... skewed all to hell and not exactly what you would think, yet will claim to be the mantle and keeper of it.
Unless the targeted users actually whip out a credit card, all you really get are a bunch of IP addresses, browser agent strings, maybe some cookies, and actual info from the few people dumb enough to fill out anything else you ask them to.
Err, as a former resident of Utah, you don't even need to do that... just go to any casino in Wendover, Nevada (it's only 90 minutes' drive from Salt Lake) and start writing down license plate numbers...
It's like the old running local joke:
* Jews do not recognize Jesus as the messiah. * Catholics do not recognize Martin Luther as an authority. * Protestants do not recognize the Vatican as a Christian authority. * Mormons do not recognize each other in Casinos, Strip Clubs, or Liquor Stores.
In other news, UN Secretary General as quoted today as saying "The reprsentative from Burundi owes me 10 euros", followed by laughter broken up with occasional phrases like "suck it", "who's your daddy", and various other remarks.
I believe that GP was asking for a different reason... it's like this guy suddenly thinks that SIPR and NIPR are insufficient, and they need a whole other Internet besides - err, just like SIPR, apparently.
I can vouch for your statement from down here in the US...
Salt Lake City (at least when I lived there) often got 'ordinary' 26-40cm deep storms that rumbled through during the winter. Sometimes, it combined with lake-effect snow (yes it's a desert... now look for that ginormous patch of blue on the map, immediately to the North and West of town) to give you 60-70cm snow with drifts that got damned impressive, especially on the 'benches'. All that said, the main roads were usually cleared by 7am, and the side streets were mostly clear by 8am. The morning routine always included driveway+snow blower, and afternoons meant the occasional tromp up to the roof to dump off any excess snow, so your roof didn't over-stress from the weight.
Contrast that with Portland, OR. The town gets a mere 20cm of snow in late 2008, and suddenly the entire Universe is paralyzed for a week. (To be fair, up here in PDX it's all about rainfall and the occasional ice storm, so snowplows are a rare item... and not a single human being up here knows how to drive in it. Kinda fun to watch, but lousy to drive amongst).
The difference between then and now is that now we have the ability to feed the desire for mundane bullshit far more efficiently than we used to
I dunno... back then, neighbors passed it around over the back fence with each other, and the tabloids were just as strong a force back then as they are now.
As a matter of fact? If you were to merely replace "Casey Anthony" with "Lizzie Borden" and compare the two, you really wouldn't find any real difference in the hype, gossip, or tabloid hyperfocus.
Funny enough, my last job had its corporate HQ in Germany, and yet it was corporate policy that all international meetings and communications of any type were to occur in English.
Yes, but honest news outfits do everything in their power to minimize their bias...
Replace the word "bias" with "drama" and I'd call you a damned liar.:)
That said, where is this honest news outfit on US television* these days? They all seem rather wrapped up in their own particular slants, each catering to a clearly definable ideology.
* (the Beeb I actually have some respect for in this aspect)
She's on CNN. (My wife is unfortunately an addict of that damnable show).
Personally, I have zero respect for someone whose very paycheck apparently requires rhetorically feeding from the literal corpses of children, but that aside and to be fair, it wasn't just her, it was the whole damned channel's prime-time lineup: Dr. Drew, "Issues", and the rest of that particularly incestuous bucket of shows.
To be fair to Fox, they really didn't invest nearly as much time in the whole affair. I don't think MSNBC did all that much on it either, but in their case I don't know offhand. CNN on the other hand seemed like they should have named themselves the Casey News Network and been done with it.:/
Somehow I get the feeling a full release of the source code still wouldn't be enough to satiate the nerdy masses.
I disagree. If it can be fully compiled and tested, then there would be no rational place for the "OAMG they have something they're hiding!" argument. OTOH, Microsoft is kind of notorious for only doing their PR stunts half-assed, and this latest one kind of proves it. Even SCO did a better job of convincing Joe Reporter that they truly showed off code/evidence (and let's face it - their attempts were hella laughable at best).
'course, you can still check things WP7-wise as it is now... that is, if you can capture every packet coming out, decrypt the payloads accurately, then assemble and analyze the results.
IMHO, releasing only part of the source code is indeed, like GP said, more dangerous than no release at all. Just that he forgot to mention that it's potentially dangerous in both directions - both to the world at large ("oh look, stuff to test for exploits!"), and to Microsoft ("OAMG they're hiding something! You can't even test what's there without violating a license!").
It'd be better off if they didn't even bother, considering that the bits they did release are worthless in and of themselves.
...except you don't need all of that nonsense to deal with a personal need.
Nope- you don't. Unless you want all the features that an enterprise rig actually has. Most individual consumers don't/won't need it, though - no matter who provides the 'cloud'.
I just found it funny that suddenly a slapped together box was 'just as good' as a SAN. Fact is, it isn't.
At my previous job, I had to convince a PHB that no, buying cheap arrays won't replace NetApp and EMC gear, and it took a *lot* of argument.
I finally demanded that he put his arguments in writing, on paper, so I had something to show the board of directors if the inevitable were to occur w/ a bunch of cheap arrays... *that* was what finally got him to let me order a new SAN, and keep the contracts going on our existing ones.
Once you've got 3 or more, many of the usual "benefits" of "enterprise" storage start to go away.
So your home unit has dual processors/mobos that can fail-over seamlessly, multiple power supplies to feed 'em, 10gE or FCP out the back, firmware to parcel out and/or resize partitions on-the-fly, hot-swappable drive shelves, deduplication, versioning/snapshots, mobile partitions w/ no downtime, remote mirroring, and all of that with built-in iSCSI, NFS *and* CIFS?
Oh, and let's not forget 24/7/365 support, and the ability to replace any part of the whole shebang within 4 hours, but w/o additional cost for doing so.
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Once you start emulating what an enterprise storage rig *really* has feature-wise, you'll find out very quickly that you're not going to get cheaper - at least not by enough to matter... especially once you start piling on spindles to multiply throughput beyond what a mere three disk drives can do.
Sure - for personal use, I'm very sure that putting up with a slower not-perfectly-redundant (home brew?) NAS box that you have to set up and support yourself would be cheaper than calling up EMC or NetApp. OTOH, if you're supporting hundreds of thousands of paying users on it, things change by quite a lot.
Most folks aren't going to have this vast storehouse of knowledge required to automatically know how to connect to a wifi network across a variety of devices. Your fun bit o' pedancy only illustrates my point.;)
the general public is so stupid that if it does not automagically connect or produce a pop up of "hey wifi here! want to connect to it?" they will never figure it out.
You're confusing ignorance with stupidity.
Joe Sixpack may not know much about wifi connectivity, but I'm willing to wager that you can't do cartesian math in your head, do double-entry bookkeeping, weld aluminum, or know how to convert a Ford 420 engine into a 460 (I'll save you the time: it's the timing chain). Conversely, I don't expect an auto mechanic, welder, or accountant to automatically grok wifi on a small device that can have a crap non-intuitive UI (especially back in the early days of it).
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There's a reason MS dominated the desktop.
Lots of different reasons actually, of which the one you listed was a rather minor one compared to the rest of them.
Well, to be fair they tried something similar back when they named everything not welded to the floor ".Net"...
Maybe this is just a reprise of that?
I suppose they could do some hypervisor (by way of Hyper-V) cookery, though they'd have to emulate the architecture as well.
But that said, and seeing how PPC emulation actually works on x86? Err, yeah, not really seeing it happen, at least not very efficiently.
Just one small question...
How will these modules break up? I mean, if you build an app for Windows 8 on one UI paradigm, how does it suddenly translate to another (without a huge pile o' multi-anticipatory bloat at either the app or API side of the equation)? Or, err, is it all going to be lowest-common-denominator (e.g. the WP7 Metro UI) and called good? ...and how will legacy apps actually use that if a module critical to said app is missing? I'll just table the whole architecture thing for the moment, because I don;t think anyone is going to seriously entertain the idea of loading {existing application} onto a Windows 8 x86 desktop, then expect to do the very same thing with the exact same install binaries on a Windows 8 ARM tablet...
Question is, if someone makes a non-free/FOSS driver for it, what happens?
In the middle ages muslims thought very highly of astronomy, so why would the guys wanting to base their society on that era be against astronomy?
...because Wahabbism (the sect of Islam from which the likes of AQ and Taliban are based) isn't exactly out to bring back the days of classical scientific inquiry. The Wahhabist concept of Islam is a lot like Pol Pot's concept of Communism... skewed all to hell and not exactly what you would think, yet will claim to be the mantle and keeper of it.
Unless the targeted users actually whip out a credit card, all you really get are a bunch of IP addresses, browser agent strings, maybe some cookies, and actual info from the few people dumb enough to fill out anything else you ask them to.
Err, as a former resident of Utah, you don't even need to do that... just go to any casino in Wendover, Nevada (it's only 90 minutes' drive from Salt Lake) and start writing down license plate numbers...
It's like the old running local joke:
* Jews do not recognize Jesus as the messiah.
* Catholics do not recognize Martin Luther as an authority.
* Protestants do not recognize the Vatican as a Christian authority.
* Mormons do not recognize each other in Casinos, Strip Clubs, or Liquor Stores.
In other news, UN Secretary General as quoted today as saying "The reprsentative from Burundi owes me 10 euros", followed by laughter broken up with occasional phrases like "suck it", "who's your daddy", and various other remarks.
...yet those same "enterprises" happily support Flash (which does constant update demands), no?
How about HDVCI (High Definition Video Conversion Interface)?
'sides, I already have (and use) mine, so screw them. ;)
I believe that GP was asking for a different reason... it's like this guy suddenly thinks that SIPR and NIPR are insufficient, and they need a whole other Internet besides - err, just like SIPR, apparently.
I hate to do this, but...
If you can access sites on the list without altering your DNS servers or having your DNS servers altered by malware then you may have a case
http://207.46.19.254/en-us/default.aspx (Microsoft's main site).
I can vouch for your statement from down here in the US...
Salt Lake City (at least when I lived there) often got 'ordinary' 26-40cm deep storms that rumbled through during the winter. Sometimes, it combined with lake-effect snow (yes it's a desert... now look for that ginormous patch of blue on the map, immediately to the North and West of town) to give you 60-70cm snow with drifts that got damned impressive, especially on the 'benches'. All that said, the main roads were usually cleared by 7am, and the side streets were mostly clear by 8am. The morning routine always included driveway+snow blower, and afternoons meant the occasional tromp up to the roof to dump off any excess snow, so your roof didn't over-stress from the weight.
Contrast that with Portland, OR. The town gets a mere 20cm of snow in late 2008, and suddenly the entire Universe is paralyzed for a week.
(To be fair, up here in PDX it's all about rainfall and the occasional ice storm, so snowplows are a rare item... and not a single human being up here knows how to drive in it. Kinda fun to watch, but lousy to drive amongst).
The difference between then and now is that now we have the ability to feed the desire for mundane bullshit far more efficiently than we used to
I dunno... back then, neighbors passed it around over the back fence with each other, and the tabloids were just as strong a force back then as they are now.
As a matter of fact? If you were to merely replace "Casey Anthony" with "Lizzie Borden" and compare the two, you really wouldn't find any real difference in the hype, gossip, or tabloid hyperfocus.
Funny enough, my last job had its corporate HQ in Germany, and yet it was corporate policy that all international meetings and communications of any type were to occur in English.
Interesting info, but I'm glad you cleared that up a bit. :)
Yes, but honest news outfits do everything in their power to minimize their bias...
Replace the word "bias" with "drama" and I'd call you a damned liar. :)
That said, where is this honest news outfit on US television* these days? They all seem rather wrapped up in their own particular slants, each catering to a clearly definable ideology.
* (the Beeb I actually have some respect for in this aspect)
She's on CNN.
(My wife is unfortunately an addict of that damnable show).
Personally, I have zero respect for someone whose very paycheck apparently requires rhetorically feeding from the literal corpses of children, but that aside and to be fair, it wasn't just her, it was the whole damned channel's prime-time lineup: Dr. Drew, "Issues", and the rest of that particularly incestuous bucket of shows.
To be fair to Fox, they really didn't invest nearly as much time in the whole affair. I don't think MSNBC did all that much on it either, but in their case I don't know offhand. CNN on the other hand seemed like they should have named themselves the Casey News Network and been done with it. :/
Somehow I get the feeling a full release of the source code still wouldn't be enough to satiate the nerdy masses.
I disagree. If it can be fully compiled and tested, then there would be no rational place for the "OAMG they have something they're hiding!" argument. OTOH, Microsoft is kind of notorious for only doing their PR stunts half-assed, and this latest one kind of proves it. Even SCO did a better job of convincing Joe Reporter that they truly showed off code/evidence (and let's face it - their attempts were hella laughable at best).
'course, you can still check things WP7-wise as it is now... that is, if you can capture every packet coming out, decrypt the payloads accurately, then assemble and analyze the results.
IMHO, releasing only part of the source code is indeed, like GP said, more dangerous than no release at all. Just that he forgot to mention that it's potentially dangerous in both directions - both to the world at large ("oh look, stuff to test for exploits!"), and to Microsoft ("OAMG they're hiding something! You can't even test what's there without violating a license!").
It'd be better off if they didn't even bother, considering that the bits they did release are worthless in and of themselves.
- have a large clinic set up with 101 beds and 101 Chiropractors.
- Have 101 people show up.
...why do I get the feeling that ol' Bob here is relating the beginnings of his idea of the ultimate porn flick?
...except you don't need all of that nonsense to deal with a personal need.
Nope- you don't. Unless you want all the features that an enterprise rig actually has. Most individual consumers don't/won't need it, though - no matter who provides the 'cloud'.
I just found it funny that suddenly a slapped together box was 'just as good' as a SAN. Fact is, it isn't.
At my previous job, I had to convince a PHB that no, buying cheap arrays won't replace NetApp and EMC gear, and it took a *lot* of argument.
I finally demanded that he put his arguments in writing, on paper, so I had something to show the board of directors if the inevitable were to occur w/ a bunch of cheap arrays... *that* was what finally got him to let me order a new SAN, and keep the contracts going on our existing ones.
Once you've got 3 or more, many of the usual "benefits" of "enterprise" storage start to go away.
So your home unit has dual processors/mobos that can fail-over seamlessly, multiple power supplies to feed 'em, 10gE or FCP out the back, firmware to parcel out and/or resize partitions on-the-fly, hot-swappable drive shelves, deduplication, versioning/snapshots, mobile partitions w/ no downtime, remote mirroring, and all of that with built-in iSCSI, NFS *and* CIFS?
Oh, and let's not forget 24/7/365 support, and the ability to replace any part of the whole shebang within 4 hours, but w/o additional cost for doing so.
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Once you start emulating what an enterprise storage rig *really* has feature-wise, you'll find out very quickly that you're not going to get cheaper - at least not by enough to matter... especially once you start piling on spindles to multiply throughput beyond what a mere three disk drives can do.
Sure - for personal use, I'm very sure that putting up with a slower not-perfectly-redundant (home brew?) NAS box that you have to set up and support yourself would be cheaper than calling up EMC or NetApp. OTOH, if you're supporting hundreds of thousands of paying users on it, things change by quite a lot.
Pardon the typo, but the main point still stands:
Most folks aren't going to have this vast storehouse of knowledge required to automatically know how to connect to a wifi network across a variety of devices. Your fun bit o' pedancy only illustrates my point. ;)
the general public is so stupid that if it does not automagically connect or produce a pop up of "hey wifi here! want to connect to it?" they will never figure it out.
You're confusing ignorance with stupidity.
Joe Sixpack may not know much about wifi connectivity, but I'm willing to wager that you can't do cartesian math in your head, do double-entry bookkeeping, weld aluminum, or know how to convert a Ford 420 engine into a 460 (I'll save you the time: it's the timing chain). Conversely, I don't expect an auto mechanic, welder, or accountant to automatically grok wifi on a small device that can have a crap non-intuitive UI (especially back in the early days of it).