You are doing something very wrong then. Having the knowledge, it takes me no time
to setup openbsd. Depending on what I want it to do.
The reason it takes you so much time is because you haven't bothered to learn it. You learned Linux instead, a systemd version of Linux to be exact. So basically you have stepped backwards, you went from using Linux to Windows(systemd makes Linux more Windows like), then brag about how smart you are.
If you can't set up an openbsd system in less than an hour then gtfoh and go back to Windows. Seriously have all the good Linux admins disappeared? Once you know Linux then learning openbsd should not be that hard.
For fuck sakes.
All fine and dandy if I'm just using an old desktop as a server with a tty; OpenBSD isn't hard to set up for that. But the driver, audio, wifi and gfx support are WAY more advanced in Linux, such that everything "just works" if you install it on a laptop.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but a lot of us oldtimers went to various kinds of *BSD, and some even left for Windows, since when the choice is between one monolithic piece of shit and another one, you might as well go with the popular choice. And even if I sincerely doubt that systemd, as you are implying, is responsible for the increased usage of those distributions, it's not a counterargument against my objections against systemd, at all. In fact it makes perfect sense that people who feel lost without svchost.exe but want to try something new feel right at home with systemd.
I'm not saying systemd is why those companies are growing. They're growing at roughly the same rate they did before systemd. I'm merely pointing out that the gloom and doom apocalypse predicted by the anti-systemd anonymous cowards didn't come to pass.
Because the reason distros exist is for varying levels of support, updates and customization. They're mostly standardizing on one init because that's plumbing and it's not interesting to most distro maintainers. You could say literally the same thing about almost the entire GNU tool chain.
If everything and the kitchen sink is required by systemd then it is shoved down our throats. Why can't we use both like we did before. Linux was all about customizing, not locking your users into using your software or else switch distros. This should not be a goal. Things need to be flexible in OSS, and systemd is not flexible, I'm sorry it just isnt.
Only in the same way X Windows and glibc have been "shoved down your throat".
Yeah, right. Doesn't sound suspicious at all. No sir, I'm totally going to take your word for it. Or maybe your "Linux admins" are converted Windows hacks who know as little about Linux as they did about Windows? That could explain it because something about systemd makes me think of svchost.exe more than anything else.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Red Hat, SUSE, and Canonical are all growing, and the usage share for RHEL/CentOS, SUSE, and Ubuntu have all risen as well. Where are all these hordes of systemd refugees that anonymous cowards on Slashdot keep telling me about?
A lot of the things that make GNOME Shell suck are fixed in 3.20, but it's still rather agonizing to have to use the stupid activities page (clearly ripped off from OS X's launchpad...), and the lack of menu buttons is equally frustrating. Plus Nautilus still pales in comparison to Nemo and Dolphin.
Yeah, Linux is boring. If I wanted to play around with my system for educational purposes, I'd use OpenBSD because it's well documented and cleanly written. I use Linux because it "just works" and I don't have to spend hours toying with config scripts getting anything to work.
This is such a mindboggling position for people to take. The entire concept of open source is about flexibility but people think it's fine to blindly force one option down everyone's throats, regardless of what they want. It's surreal to watch. We have 9,000 distributions but only One True Init, apparently.
I use Fedora and CentOS 7, so I'm using systemd on every system I touch now. And it's annoying, I certainly prefer the simplicify of the old init system. I'm really not sure what problem this was supposed to solve. Everyone talks about fast bootup times, but my servers uptimes are measured in years. Why should I add all this complexity to save a couple of seconds a year? I've spent hours reading about and learning systemd, to gain what exactly?
And I'm not saying no one should use systemd. If it solves some problem for you, great, use it. I completely support you. But why don't you also support my desire to use the init system that I want to use?
This isn't Microsoft or Apple, nothing is forced down anyone's throats. Use Slackware or Devuan if you want to avoid systemd, or hack it out of whatever your preferred distro is. Just please stop acting like it was forced upon you and you had no recluse.
Everybody's already uploaded everything to YouTube, and the service is really good--all you need is an adblocker and it's just about perfect. Why would anybody switch to Amazon?
1. I would venture to say that over 90% of potential buyers just want a computer to write emails, browse social media, watch TV, and work on office documents. Even 10-year-old PCs are still good enough to do all of the above, although the advent of tablets and smart TVs have probably cut out the desktop's necessity to do everything but office documents (and 10-year-old PCs are definitely still good enough to run Word and Excel).
2. Only programmers and gamers need to buy powerful computers (not counting here the people who need a powerful PC for social-fashion reasons, which are a very small minority). A lot of AAA games suck these days and amateur/indie/retro games are very popular, so a lot of gamers are sticking on their older computers. A lot of programmers these days use uncompiled languages (Javascript, Java, Python, etc.), so a lot of them don't need cutting edge machines anymore.
3. There's a lot of aversion to the newer editions of Windows (8, 10) and OS X (Yosemite, El Capitan). I would imagine a lot of people are gripping to their old computers, even if they need an upgrade, in order to stick to Windows 7 and Mountain Lion/Mavericks.
tl;dr most people don't need PCs anymore, a lot of the people that do need PCs don't need blazing fast ones anymore, and Windows 10 sucks.
I hate these fucking system administrators removing anything they please. Fuck them. Why the fuck would you remove an app store? Are you fucking nuts? Better hand out fucking chromebooks to users if you do not want them to be able to use their laptops.
I'm happy to report that Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, and all of the other desktop Linuxes I have tried have never deleted any of my files without my permission. I also don't lose my work because my OS has decided to update or nag me to upgrade while I'm the middle of something.
My computer and my data belong to me. Not to Microsoft. Not to Apple. Not to Google or Oracle or HP or IBM or Samsung. Nobody but me!
Newsflash: Linux has "sold out". Even slackware is being forced to go down that path, recently allowing pulse audio to infect their system becuase (get this) bluetooth won't work without it. (Are you kidding me?)
If you want pure and clean today, what you want is BSD.
If you don't like PulseAudio, uninstall it. If you have some pathological need to avoid it in your default install, use Gentoo.
Nothing drives me further from Microsoft and Blackberry than their CEOs being wishy-washy about if your device is secure, even against "lawful interception" or whatever the gentle euphemism for backdoor is these days. But my only qualm here is that Mark Shuttleworth isn't currently the CEO of Canonical, perhaps the company itself should make a strong statement to this effect?
As far as I can tell, one should generally assume that the DVD.iso also works for live booting on a USB (sometimes this isn't the case; I found out the hard way that openSUSE 42.1 can't boot from a USB). They want to keep the image size down, both for poorer people that don't want to pay for a DVD or 4GB USB stick, and to save bandwidth on their mirrors.
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So what's the point of a desktop program if it requires a smartphone?
So you don't have to pick up your phone repeatedly while you're on your desktop.
You are doing something very wrong then. Having the knowledge, it takes me no time to setup openbsd. Depending on what I want it to do.
The reason it takes you so much time is because you haven't bothered to learn it. You learned Linux instead, a systemd version of Linux to be exact. So basically you have stepped backwards, you went from using Linux to Windows(systemd makes Linux more Windows like), then brag about how smart you are.
If you can't set up an openbsd system in less than an hour then gtfoh and go back to Windows. Seriously have all the good Linux admins disappeared? Once you know Linux then learning openbsd should not be that hard.
For fuck sakes.
All fine and dandy if I'm just using an old desktop as a server with a tty; OpenBSD isn't hard to set up for that. But the driver, audio, wifi and gfx support are WAY more advanced in Linux, such that everything "just works" if you install it on a laptop.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but a lot of us oldtimers went to various kinds of *BSD, and some even left for Windows, since when the choice is between one monolithic piece of shit and another one, you might as well go with the popular choice. And even if I sincerely doubt that systemd, as you are implying, is responsible for the increased usage of those distributions, it's not a counterargument against my objections against systemd, at all. In fact it makes perfect sense that people who feel lost without svchost.exe but want to try something new feel right at home with systemd.
I'm not saying systemd is why those companies are growing. They're growing at roughly the same rate they did before systemd. I'm merely pointing out that the gloom and doom apocalypse predicted by the anti-systemd anonymous cowards didn't come to pass.
Because the reason distros exist is for varying levels of support, updates and customization. They're mostly standardizing on one init because that's plumbing and it's not interesting to most distro maintainers. You could say literally the same thing about almost the entire GNU tool chain.
If everything and the kitchen sink is required by systemd then it is shoved down our throats. Why can't we use both like we did before. Linux was all about customizing, not locking your users into using your software or else switch distros. This should not be a goal. Things need to be flexible in OSS, and systemd is not flexible, I'm sorry it just isnt.
Only in the same way X Windows and glibc have been "shoved down your throat".
Yeah, right. Doesn't sound suspicious at all. No sir, I'm totally going to take your word for it. Or maybe your "Linux admins" are converted Windows hacks who know as little about Linux as they did about Windows? That could explain it because something about systemd makes me think of svchost.exe more than anything else.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Red Hat, SUSE, and Canonical are all growing, and the usage share for RHEL/CentOS, SUSE, and Ubuntu have all risen as well. Where are all these hordes of systemd refugees that anonymous cowards on Slashdot keep telling me about?
A lot of the things that make GNOME Shell suck are fixed in 3.20, but it's still rather agonizing to have to use the stupid activities page (clearly ripped off from OS X's launchpad...), and the lack of menu buttons is equally frustrating. Plus Nautilus still pales in comparison to Nemo and Dolphin.
I don't mean to knock other people if they like KDE, but I have to say, it's REALLY buggy for me. Plus Akonadi eats up my system resources like candy.
Yeah, Linux is boring. If I wanted to play around with my system for educational purposes, I'd use OpenBSD because it's well documented and cleanly written. I use Linux because it "just works" and I don't have to spend hours toying with config scripts getting anything to work.
This is such a mindboggling position for people to take. The entire concept of open source is about flexibility but people think it's fine to blindly force one option down everyone's throats, regardless of what they want. It's surreal to watch. We have 9,000 distributions but only One True Init, apparently. I use Fedora and CentOS 7, so I'm using systemd on every system I touch now. And it's annoying, I certainly prefer the simplicify of the old init system. I'm really not sure what problem this was supposed to solve. Everyone talks about fast bootup times, but my servers uptimes are measured in years. Why should I add all this complexity to save a couple of seconds a year? I've spent hours reading about and learning systemd, to gain what exactly? And I'm not saying no one should use systemd. If it solves some problem for you, great, use it. I completely support you. But why don't you also support my desire to use the init system that I want to use?
This isn't Microsoft or Apple, nothing is forced down anyone's throats. Use Slackware or Devuan if you want to avoid systemd, or hack it out of whatever your preferred distro is. Just please stop acting like it was forced upon you and you had no recluse.
Everybody's already uploaded everything to YouTube, and the service is really good--all you need is an adblocker and it's just about perfect. Why would anybody switch to Amazon?
1. I would venture to say that over 90% of potential buyers just want a computer to write emails, browse social media, watch TV, and work on office documents. Even 10-year-old PCs are still good enough to do all of the above, although the advent of tablets and smart TVs have probably cut out the desktop's necessity to do everything but office documents (and 10-year-old PCs are definitely still good enough to run Word and Excel).
2. Only programmers and gamers need to buy powerful computers (not counting here the people who need a powerful PC for social-fashion reasons, which are a very small minority). A lot of AAA games suck these days and amateur/indie/retro games are very popular, so a lot of gamers are sticking on their older computers. A lot of programmers these days use uncompiled languages (Javascript, Java, Python, etc.), so a lot of them don't need cutting edge machines anymore.
3. There's a lot of aversion to the newer editions of Windows (8, 10) and OS X (Yosemite, El Capitan). I would imagine a lot of people are gripping to their old computers, even if they need an upgrade, in order to stick to Windows 7 and Mountain Lion/Mavericks.
tl;dr most people don't need PCs anymore, a lot of the people that do need PCs don't need blazing fast ones anymore, and Windows 10 sucks.
Close those parentheses, you're killing me!!
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Close that parentheses, you're killing me!!
I hate these fucking system administrators removing anything they please. Fuck them. Why the fuck would you remove an app store? Are you fucking nuts? Better hand out fucking chromebooks to users if you do not want them to be able to use their laptops.
The Windows Store has been plagued with malware for years now: http://www.howtogeek.com/19499...
A sysadmin would be a lunatic to let anybody on his network into the WinStore!
I'm happy to report that Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, and all of the other desktop Linuxes I have tried have never deleted any of my files without my permission. I also don't lose my work because my OS has decided to update or nag me to upgrade while I'm the middle of something.
My computer and my data belong to me. Not to Microsoft. Not to Apple. Not to Google or Oracle or HP or IBM or Samsung. Nobody but me!
It's got systemd to keep the front door open all day long.
Since you're so confident that there's a backdoor in systemd, perhaps you could help us millions of plebs on it and show us for our own safety?
He can easily claim his company hasn't added backdoors, because they have already been added by others. Namely, systemd is the centralized backdoor.
Show me the backdoor in systemd.
systemd is open source.
Newsflash: Linux has "sold out". Even slackware is being forced to go down that path, recently allowing pulse audio to infect their system becuase (get this) bluetooth won't work without it. (Are you kidding me?)
If you want pure and clean today, what you want is BSD.
If you don't like PulseAudio, uninstall it. If you have some pathological need to avoid it in your default install, use Gentoo.
Valid complaint. But I think you should give some credit to Canonical because it's no longer the default in 16.04. They learned from their errors.
Still in use on Fedora and RHEL. Ubuntu and SUSE both use AppArmor instead.
Nothing drives me further from Microsoft and Blackberry than their CEOs being wishy-washy about if your device is secure, even against "lawful interception" or whatever the gentle euphemism for backdoor is these days. But my only qualm here is that Mark Shuttleworth isn't currently the CEO of Canonical, perhaps the company itself should make a strong statement to this effect?
My bad then, but that's still over twice the size of the full Ubuntu desktop ISO.
As far as I can tell, one should generally assume that the DVD .iso also works for live booting on a USB (sometimes this isn't the case; I found out the hard way that openSUSE 42.1 can't boot from a USB). They want to keep the image size down, both for poorer people that don't want to pay for a DVD or 4GB USB stick, and to save bandwidth on their mirrors.