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Security Expert Jailed For Reporting Vulnerabilities In Lee County, FL Elections (theregister.co.uk)

rootmon writes: Information Security Professional David Levin was arrested 3 months after reporting un-patched SQL injection vulnerabilities in the Lee County, Florida Elections Office run by Sharon Harrington, the Lee County Supervisor of Elections. Harrington's office has been in the news before for voting systems problems (for example in during the 2012 election, 35 districts in Lee County had to remain open 3 hours past the closing of polls due to long lines and equipment issues, wasting $800,000 to $1.6 million of taxpayer money on incompatible iPads for which her office is facing an audit. Rather than fixing the issues in their systems, they chose to charge the whistleblower with three third-degree felonies. The News Press also has several related interviews.

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  1. FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is know as the _________ state?

    1. Re:FLORIDA by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

      According to an episode of The X-Files, "all the nuts roll downhill" state.

    2. Re:FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The unnecessarily long underline state?

    3. Re:FLORIDA by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Replying because I mis-click moderated you.

      Was going for +1 Funny and clicked -1 Troll instead.

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    4. Re:FLORIDA by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Was going for +1 Funny and clicked -1 Troll instead.

      Happens all the time. ;)

    5. Re:FLORIDA by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      According to an episode of The X-Files, "all the nuts roll downhill" state.

      I always preferred the Appendix version: all the garbage collects there, and sooner or later causes nothing but problems.

    6. Re:FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is know as the _________ state?

      I'm going with "incompetent".

    7. Re:FLORIDA by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      There is no downhill for anything to roll to in Florida.

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    8. Re:FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The joke is that things roll downhill from the rest of the US into Florida.

    9. Re:FLORIDA by digitig · · Score: 1

      "The swamp with freeways state"?

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    10. Re:FLORIDA by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll go with the Simpsons: "Florida, America's wang."

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    11. Re:FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Frankly I'm disgusted that there's no "+1 Funny Troll" option.

    12. Re:FLORIDA by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Haven't they finished draining all the swamps yet?

    13. Re:FLORIDA by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am still in Florida so I'm getting a kick out of this thread!

      No, not really. In Bay County, Florida you do not need to pass an inspection in order to put a vehicle on the road. I really should start taking pictures... I've seen swamp buggies on 4 lane traffic. And we're talking the kind that are the platform that's about 6' off the ground, has a railing on it, and has bus seats bolted/welded to it and the driver sits in the middle-front. It's got a ladder to get on it - you don't get in it.

      Spring Break... Panama City Beach is home to the original Spring Break and it is still heavily used for such purposes. There are a lot of college girl titties, which is nice, but they have one week they call "FAG Week." FAG is Florida, Alabama, Georgia. That's the week when they make the news. It was fairly tame this year and nobody died - that I heard about. Still, there was Beach Patrol chasing a guy in a big ol' 4x4 truck across my beach. My house is way over near the gated communities and I've got my own private beach and whatnot. They go tearing up through, during FAG week, only to go tearing back the other direction a few minutes later. They were on 4 wheelers - he was in a (pretty sure) '78 Chevy step-side. I kind of doubt they caught him - but I'm MILES from the touristy section.

      There has not been one day that I've gone out and not seen something remarkable. To be fair, I did have some /.ers over for NYE explosions so we were potentially the remarkable on that one night - I spent enough on fireworks to where I could have actually bought a new car with that same amount of money. The food and drink was cheap, comparatively speaking - but we had fun and nobody got hurt.

      That last bit, that nobody got hurt, that's the important bit. Somehow, Florida does all this and remarkably few people get hurt. You'd think they'd all be dead by now - they've all got firearms, that's also salient. By all rights, the State of Florida should have maybe a half-dozen people still living in it. But no, they're a resilient bunch and somehow manage to survive this insanity.

      I'm going home soon - I've been here long enough. Probably this week but I keep putting it off as I've still got one pressing matter to attend to and I'm still hoping to get permission to go to Cuba but that does not seem to be likely. Still, I'm not sure how it manages to function as well as it does. I've seen cars without doors (or even windows). I guess they can take your car off the road if the cop deems it unsafe by some metric - what that is, i do not know. What the threshold is for that, I have no idea. I assume it has to be on fire and covered in spikes - also with a 5000 gallon tank of gasoline on it, before they'll consider it not roadworthy.

      I don't know how to fill in the blank but, suffice to say, Florida's kind of special in its own way.

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    14. Re: FLORIDA by techabuse · · Score: 1

      You're spot on, buddy! I was born and raised here in this sunny mugshot factory. As long as your vehicle has approximately the right number of lights and the rubber side remains down, you're cool - tag is optional if you put a piece of paper in your back window with the magic incantation "LOST TAG." They will give you grief over tint, though. Never really understood that. If you pass through Jacksonville on your way back and you have some time, stop in for barbecue, bullets, and beers. It's on me.

    15. Re:FLORIDA by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Hard to do when they keep back filling with salt water.

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    16. Re: FLORIDA by dbIII · · Score: 1

      has approximately the right number of lights

      In bits of rural Australia we have "daytime cars" that don't have working lights at all. Makes things interesting.

    17. Re:FLORIDA by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Frankly you deserve it.

    18. Re: FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the *whoosh*

    19. Re:FLORIDA by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      My mother is a funny troll you insensitive clod! Wait...

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    20. Re: FLORIDA by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I will be rolling back on 10 E to hit 95 N as it's actually faster than any route I've found up through GA. Hmm... I may just have to take you up on that. ;-) I'll have the missus with me but she's a dainty thing and doesn't eat much. :P

      I do only have two pistols with me but I've had shit time for the range down here (and the range master's an idiot at the local here). I don't drink very often but maybe one or two. (I used to drink too much.) Hmm... The food, I'm down for too. Oh hell yeah... I've been retired to Maine for a long time now (6+ years). They put ketchup on some shit they threw on a grill and call it BBQ. Imma stab a bitch eventually. (Yeah, it's gonna be a minute before the Floridian wears off.)

      I am going to miss the food. Man, am I going to miss the food. Then again, back home it's mostly game and beef/pork from the neighbor's farm and I've learned to do the cuts myself. Meh, if I screw up a cut it's still edible. If I could somehow combine the two (our deer are 250-350 pounds and we have tasty moose) then I think I might be in heaven.

      Remind me some time to tell you the story of my Floridian wild boar hunt. I've got video and a scar to prove it. You can, in fact, go hunt wild boar in Florida with a battle axe. They taste like ass, however. Aggilator is good. I didn't make it down to the 'Glades this time - if I go back through GA then I'm going to hit the swamp up there and eat - I know a small diner on the way in from the western side. I did get some fish into my belly. Oh man, necks are good eats. Yup... I've been in Florida for too long.

      I used to spend way too much time down here. I kind of fell in love with the place - and the stupid (but lovable) sons of bitches who populate it. No, not all Floridians are stupid. However... A good many of the smart ones ran the hell away - or they're on probation. No, I am not leaving on probation - despite the unofficial State Motto. I did sneak off to Alabama and Mississippi for a few days but I didn't get past there this trip. I generally don't stay in Mississippi for long. Invariably, some big black lady makes me eat more than I should and I have to waddle my way back to the hotel - but I do like the Delta region (Natchez).

      I've got a few friends to see on the way back north so I'll be going slow. My retarded ass is going back home to finish a run for District 17, Maine State Senate. *sighs* I got suckered into it. That doesn't sound much like retirement to me but, truth is, I'm getting kind of bored. So, it'll do me some good to be busy for a little while but I'm not willing to do a second term and there's a huge potential barrier that might stop my run (familial related - I've a sibling that's thinking about going into hospice and justifiably so) so I'm not sure what I'm returning to.

      Yup... (I'm thinking of things to add - I hit my 50 daily posts.) I haven't hit the 50 mark in a while. ;-) (I've been busy.) No matter how high your karma goes - there's a hard limit of 50. I'm told they are going to fix it but the new owner told me he thought they fixed it already. It turns out, they have not. So, hopefully I posted late enough last night to get in a few more replies. I was slow replying today - too many ACs for me to count and some of them aren't too bright. Some of them are brilliant but the odds are really slim.

      Nope... Not yet... Lemme see.... Ah yes... I got a new Slashdot Award today. 10 years. Yup... You get an award every year you're here. I actually had an older account but did I mention I used to drink? Yeah... So, I drank a lot back then. I know the email address to that account. I bet I know the password for that account. I don't have a clue what the username was nor do I have access to the email. It was my old company email (I sold and retired) and that went with the business. I'm thinking they're not going to want to let me access the server and dig it out or whatnot. It'd be nice if they'd forward it to me but it was used for more than just my stu

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    21. Re: FLORIDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      though very little "Sploosh"

    22. Re:FLORIDA by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Me too.

  2. Hang him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we hang all people who can hack computers, they become unhackable by humans. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Hang him by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      Better idea: if we just unplug all computers, they will soon power down and become unhackable by humans. Problem REALLY solved.

  3. White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope the courts recognize that white hats are the good guys. I hope that paves the way for Levin (and EFF) to sue Lee County and Harrington for damages. And I hope that discourages other politicians from lashing out at the good guys.

    1. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      If you are not hired by the owner of the systems you are breaking into, then you are not a white hat.

    2. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Breaking into or executing code on a system without permission is a criminal offense. Even if he was doing it ostensibly for the greater good, Levin should know better (and a tweet from him suggests that he knows he should have known better). The courts aren't going to let this slide just because he's a "good guy," because that sets a bad precedent.

      If you're going to try to break into a system, get permission. If you absolutely must do it without permission, use a burner name and address to make the notification, or go through an attorney to make the notification.

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    3. Re:White Hat by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope the court realizes that the State officials are incompetent retards who created a serious security situation, not to mention wasting huge sums of money, and that all they're trying to do is use the courts to bury their severe intellectual and technical inadequacies. Courts shouldn't be used to protect the fundamentally moronic.

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    4. Re:White Hat by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or, in the future, sell it to the Russian mob for big bucks and retire.

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    5. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      It is the law, and you can't just ignore it. I'm not sure how you could change the law to accommodate such "good intentions" hacking. That would give just about any hacker an excuse. Best get permission first, in writing.

    6. Re:White Hat by StatureOfLiberty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope the court realizes that the State officials are incompetent retards who created a serious security situation.

      Of course they may have just purchased or licensed a serious security situation. There are a lot of poorly written applications created by the private sector and sold to the public sector.

      There should be no excuse for a State though. They should have the resources to check out software and services they purchase (especially elections related software or services). When it comes to the County and City level though, many don't have the resources to do this kind of evaluation whether it is available skill sets or money to pay an expert. This is a significant problem that really needs addressing in many localities.

      Florida really should drop this one. All they are doing is making themselves look worse (hey!, why just look stupid when you can also look corrupt).

    7. Re:White Hat by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ha, ha. You still think those vulnerabilities were accidents.

      IMO, it seems far more likely that the SQL injection holes were deliberate. After all, parameterized SQL queries have been the norm for at least eight or ten years, which means that for this to be accidental, either the software would have to be as old as Windows Vista or the developers would have to be so grossly incompetent that they would never be able to hold down a job writing database software for more than a week or two.

      The whole "never attribute to malice" thing applies only when it can be plausibly attributed to incompetence. SQL injections in an election system in 2016 fall so far on the other side of that line that you can't even see the line from there.

      With that said, in the unlikely event that I'm wrong, and that it really was caused by a grossly incompetent vendor, I expect to see that vendor added to a government blacklist and become immediately ineligible for any government contracts going forward. I also expect to see the software in question thrown away and paper ballots used until such time as a suitable replacement can be found. There's no excuse for allowing software that doesn't even meet 2010-era standards to be used for running elections in 2016. None whatsoever.

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    8. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If a public system like a voting system is left wide open to fraud, then we will fail as a Democracy if we stand silently by and allow fraud to be committed the we all lose

    9. Re:White Hat by locotx · · Score: 1

      Now you're talking.

    10. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sure, and when the companies deny permission, then what? "Welp, this system is massively compromised and could potentially affect voting results for thousands of people, but since they said 'no', herp derp, I guess I should just go do something else!" Are you fucking *high*?

    11. Re:White Hat by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When exposing the vulnerability you simply run it through the legally ambiguous filter.

      I was able to penetrate your system using an injection attack vector

      becomes

      Based on your code I surmised it was likely susceptible to an injection attack vector and wanted to make you aware of it before someone actually tries it.

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    12. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah you're right, lets set the right tone on punishing those trying to inform them of problems in their system, so future problems won't get reported out of fear. Lets just not report problems and leave the vulnerabilities open for the bad guys to continue to use.

      Exactly why I never report vulnerabilities I find, because of attitudes like this.

    13. Re:White Hat by thsths · · Score: 1

      Yes, also known as "shoot the messenger". If you shoot all messengers, there will be no bad news. And usually bad news stops coming much sooner.

    14. Re:White Hat by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There will be no permission. The real reason he's in jail is they're pissed off everyone knows how fucked up their system is. He outed them and they popped his ass in the slammer for it. If they were actually interested in providing a secure system they would have rewarded him instead. The way he was treated says everything about Sharon Harrington's professionalism. She's a typical CYA type interested only in her own continuance of incompetence at her job. I'd say the people in that county should see that she's sacked if they ever want an improvement. Wonder how many of those Ipads walked off on her watch? Maybe they could find a cell for her too.

    15. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      If they were actually interested in providing a secure system they would have rewarded him instead.

      Permission can't come in hindsight. Maybe there are pissed off people who reported him, but he still broke the law and MUST be prosecuted if there is evidence, which there clearly is. It not like there is a choice in the matter.

    16. Re:White Hat by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      Or, in the future, sell it to the Russian mob for big bucks and retire.

      Someone good at writing Russian gangster dialog should write that scene. It would include the Russian mobster trying to figure out why Levin thinks he'd care about hacking Lee Country elections.

    17. Re:White Hat by x0ra · · Score: 0

      By the same logic, Snowden shall be jailed for life for high treason.

    18. Re:White Hat by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, in the future, sell it to the Russian mob for big bucks and retire.

      Should be marked insightful, not funny.

      If government is going to be douchey towards people who point out vulnerabilities, then best not to disclose anything to government. They completely deserve whatever comes next.

      Let them fail all by themselves.

    19. Re: White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But these people will never have a real security audit. They wouldn't dare hire a professional when they can squander the work and hand it to their "nephew who really knows computers" who isn't even fit to be called a skid.
      They are jeopardizing the nations security with voting systems that can be hacked so easily. SQL injections are not a "you broke my lock" issue, they are a "I put all my stuff on a sidewalk in Russia and just expect people to leave it alone" kind of thing.

    20. Re:White Hat by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Imagine if someone found the key to a government building under the door mat. That's clearly a major security lapse.

      Imagine if they next USED that key to enter the building on a weekend and rummaged through the offices inside. That's second-degree burglary.

      This guy found a way to retrieve the admin password (key), and should have stopped there. Instead, he USED the admin password to log in and rummage around. I've been doing network security for twenty years. I've never seen any reason to do that.

    21. Re:White Hat by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I agree. Still they should take into account that he did no damage and did report the flaw. Those are mitigating factors. How much you bet those missing Ipads are glossed over? Isn't that theft? Nope, not for the right people it isn't.

    22. Re:White Hat by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      The GP is right however - according to white-hat philosophy, we should stick our heads into the sand and pray, for to test the security of the system without explicit permission to do so would be just as evil as anything the most ill-intentioned black-hat could do!

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    23. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no MUST - prosecutors have discretion. Judges have discretion, and Juries (though they don;t want you to know it!) have discretion.

    24. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This wasn't a voting system, it was a website.

    25. Re:White Hat by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I'm sure they would have been totally on board with being hacked if he had asked.

      This is democracy at stake here, we can't afford to let some incompetent and potentially corrupt officials dictate the terms. Nothing less than the next President of the US is at stake here. It is absolutely in the countries best interest for these sorts of vulnerabilities to be discovered and patched before the election, otherwise you can never trust the election. I don't care that it hurt their feelings that their system was wide open to attack and practically begging for someone to manipulate the vote, this needs to be fixed before November.

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    26. Re:White Hat by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Mr. D from 63 wants to execute Snowden too if he's making that argument.

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    27. Re: White Hat by jxander · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are absolutely correct: the way he handled this is a crime. But that just highlights a massive deficiency. How are we supposed to catch security flaws like this?

      I can't imagine that asking permission would end well. The target has nothing to gain, and everything to lose. We need someone (or some group) sanctioned to pen test government assets.

      From election offices, to the ACA databases, to the DMV, and on and on, we have a LOT of personal data floating around. I would certainly prefer that someone is allowed to make sure these repositories are being kept up to standards.

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    28. Re:White Hat by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "Breaking into or executing code on a system without permission is a criminal offense. Even if he was doing it ostensibly for the greater good"

      You actually can make an argument that you committed a crime in order to prevent a greater evil. It is a valid defense.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=affirmative+defense&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    29. Re:White Hat by Hulfs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In this case, the saying definitely applies...there are a LOT of people who have no business creating code for important production systems doing so.

      As scary as it is, there's a non-insignificant portion of workers actively creating software, often connected directly to the web, who have no idea what a SQL Injection is, nor why you need to worry about one.

      Asking about what a SQL Injection is is one of my standard interview questions, you'd be shocked at the number of people who don't have a clue, even those who are interviewing for a senior position. Not really related, but I'm also shocked by the number of people who don't understand what an Outer Join is.

    30. Re:White Hat by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "It is the law, and you can't just ignore it."

      You can in fact ignore it. If you are doing something to prevent a worse evil than the one you committed you can attempt to present an affirmative defense. Civil disobedience is another case where you break the law as a form of first amendment protest and can trump lesser laws.

    31. Re:White Hat by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "...but he still broke the law and MUST be prosecuted if there is evidence, which there clearly is. It not like there is a choice in the matter."

      Actually there is, the prosecutor has discretion.

    32. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He reported it to a candidate running against the incumbent, not to the office itself.

    33. Re:White Hat by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "With that said, in the unlikely event that I'm wrong, and that it really was caused by a grossly incompetent vendor, I expect to see that vendor added to a government blacklist and become immediately ineligible for any government contracts going forward. I also expect to see the software in question thrown away and paper ballots used until such time as a suitable replacement can be found. There's no excuse for allowing software that doesn't even meet 2010-era standards to be used for running elections in 2016. None whatsoever."

      Uh huh, you just go on expecting. They'll add it to the list right below getting rid of those known vulnerable diebold systems that have recently been shown to be rigging the democratic primary for Hillary Clinton.

    34. Re:White Hat by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Got to love it. He got involved in politics. Still, they treated him worse than the guys that break into financial institutions to steal credit card info. Of course, in a politician's mind, making them look like the incompetent fools they are is worse.

    35. Re:White Hat by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Had he actually used the information to alter the outcome of the election, the same government office would be on public record denying that any breach had occurred and, therefore, would have to forego charging him. You shouldn't attack production systems. If you do, bad things will happen. Unfortunately, valid test targets are often not provided creating a moral dilemma. Those caught up in such a situation at least deserve or sympathy.

    36. Re:White Hat by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      What if he inserted the key into the lock, verified that it opened the door, locked the door again, and dropped the key off at the police station? That seems to be a better analogy. Of course if he got caught testing the key, he'd have a tough time pleading his case that he was going to turn it over to the police.

    37. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Still they should take into account that he did no damage and did report the flaw. Those are mitigating factors.

      Laws needs to be applied such that the jury could say that the outcome is fair. Of course they seldom get those instructions, but stubborn people sometimes do believe in Jury Nullification. Laws are about protecting the rights of people, and as such should not arbitrarily limit those rights beyond what is necessary for the former. Now, we can't allow everyone to hack because they have a moral duty. That way leads to chaos. I can see several months of community service though, at least for a first offense, and perhaps more. Basically he clearly had no malicious intent, and there was no actual harm. In fact, there was the opposite of harm. A serious issue was pointed out. That being said, if he did something similar again, well serving time is not unreasonable, because at that point you have no excuses left. Of course if they could prove malicious intent, I'd throw the book at him, but that doesn't seem the case here. Just stupid.

      None of this addresses how the machines passed validation. Shouldn't they be audited by ideally multiple security companies, with those audit records made public? At the very least, they should act to fix the weakness and establish the necessary procedure to continually check for weaknesses.

    38. Re:White Hat by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is, if a security researcher asked for a unit to do security testing on, no permission would be forthcoming.

      The security researcher, being a voter, has a legitimate interest in the safety and security of the voting system.
      Also, as a voter, this person is ALREADY supposed to be able to access the system. It's the fault of the people setting up this system that his ability to access the system is that broad.
      And, since the equipment is being purchased with taxpayer funds, there's a legitimate school of thought that permission for access is already implicit.

      Criminals bent on subverting the voting system are NEVER going to ask permission.

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    39. Re:White Hat by beltsbear · · Score: 1

      It is a shame you are downvoted to zero, you are correct.

      And this STUPID SLOW DOWN COWBOY message, WTF Slashdot. No wonder why everyone went to Reddit.

    40. Re:White Hat by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      Voting software as *old* as Windows Vista? Quick, to my fainting couch!

      Frankly, I'd be surprised if they were using something as *new* as Windows Vista. Windows XP seems more likely. 2000, 98 or even 95 wouldn't be surprising to me. Windows for Workgroups 3.11 wouldn't seem entirely out of the question.

      Note that I'm not in any way claiming this to be a good thing, just a sad fact of life.

    41. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your absolutely right but it really is sad that you are. Now that we have this precedent the only people breaking into(by extension testing) computer security is a handful of contractors and every single party that stands to profit from corrupting US data systems. Florida needs to take a page from Facebook and encourage bug bounty hunting... of course we are talking about Florida here so it's kind of pointless

    42. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, in the future, sell it to the Russian mob for big bucks and retire.

      Every country has a mob, but only few mobs have a country.

    43. Re:White Hat by Megol · · Score: 1

      This doesn't seem to be about "... incompetent [...] officials ..." trying to cover their asses - it seems to be a person doing something that is against the law in a way that appears to be not relevant to the goal of informing the owner of the system of the problem. If one finds out that a security door that is locked can be opened without a key and reports it that is okay. If one instead proceeds to go inside and look around then it isn't okay - even if the broken door is later reported.

      There is of course a gray zone here as in many other cases so a way to try to determine if the person in question had a criminal intent or a lapse of judgement by looking at documented facts and then decide a suitable punishment (if any) would be proper for this. That is why the legal system exist.

    44. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The courts aren't going to let this slide just because he's a "good guy," because that sets a bad precedent.

      Huh? The law is ALSO about intent, and harm. It's not just an arbitary rule book. The "precedent" you describe is EXACTLY what should be set.

      If you think the law isn't and hasn't always been selectively enforced, you haven't the faintest inkling about the real world.

    45. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am working on a large MSSQL database, and parametrized queries simply don't work. Quite unpredictably now and then MSSQL would simply hang on a parametrized query forever. The issue is that it uses cache to optimize queries and sometimes this cache is in an out of whack state, and the only way to ensure that your query finished in a reasonable time is to use no parameters. My programs are not facing the web yet, so minimal security worries, but very unsettling.

    46. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      "...but he still broke the law and MUST be prosecuted if there is evidence, which there clearly is. It not like there is a choice in the matter." Actually there is, the prosecutor has discretion.

      That discretion is based on quality of evidence. If the evidence is clear, there is no choice. Its not the movies.

    47. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      You can in fact ignore it. If you are doing something to prevent a worse evil than the one you committed you can attempt to present an affirmative defense. Civil disobedience is another case where you break the law as a form of first amendment protest and can trump lesser laws.

      And if there is a law that trumps this one, they'll find out during the process of prosecution. We don't just take a slashdot poll up front and decide a law applies or not. The law is clear, the evidences shows it was broken, it gets prosecuted. If there is a legal reason the law doesn't apply, we find out with due process.

    48. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      That may or may not be a legal defense. His lawyers can present that. That's how it works. The guys has not been convicted of anything.,

    49. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I was beginning to be disillusioned with all the people here who simply can't understand how the law works, and seem to think someone can arbitrarily decide not to prosecute because in their opinion he was doing a good thing. For all we know, the prosecutor may actually agree that he was dong a good thing, but he/she has a job to do.

    50. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not true in the US

    51. Re:White Hat by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      SQL Injection is still the number one vulnerability in most software. Most developers straight out of school have no idea how to protect against it. Many seasoned developers are not security focused, so also not security conscious, and simply miss the vulnerability.

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    52. Re: White Hat by youngatheart · · Score: 1

      I like this. We have FDA inspectors, fire marshals, bank examiners and so many other people who have the jobs of keeping the public safe. How do we not have security testers with that job?

    53. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...but he still broke the law and MUST be prosecuted if there is evidence, which there clearly is. It not like there is a choice in the matter."

      Actually there is, the prosecutor has discretion.

      That discretion is based on quality of evidence. If the evidence is clear, there is no choice. Its not the movies.

      If the county is as screwed up as ti appears, there may not be any evidence. And sql injection isn't necessarily unauthorized access. One can create an sql injection simply by putting the "right" characters in the "wrong" fields. Making a DB behind a website puke isn't hacking. I regularly put together legitimate orders at Amazon that cause the shopping cart to puke and I'm only trying to buy something.

      Where it got in trouble was taking credentials .. same stupid stuff that Randal Schwartz did with Intel.

    54. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The court doesn't have to let him go but a jury can nullify.

      That's not going to happen but, damn it, they have that power. It's Florida. They can't even spell 'hack' never mind 'white-hat.' (I'm in Florida and have been since December. I kind of like the place and most of the people are pretty cool. Just like everywhere else.)

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    55. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Also, concerning your signature... Of course I can... It's just "cd ~/" and there I am!

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    56. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Funny

      When Putin gets more electoral votes than Trump, you'll see why the Russian mob cares.

    57. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure he's got no idea how the courts work and has never heard of "prosecutorial discretion." There's always a choice. It might not be a politically feasible choice but there's always a choice. It is, after all, the DA that serves as prosecution for the State. I'm not fluent in all of the Floridian regulations but I'm thinking that the Supervisor of Elections is probably not also the District Attorney, or even an assistant.

      However, it is Florida. I could be wrong. ;-)

      Still, there is discretion. The State may choose to not bring charges and has done so many, many times in the past. Read your local court news to see which cases were simply dismissed. Many of those will have been dismissed due to the DA opting to not prosecute for any one of a number of reasons. Better still, go to the courts and sit there, in person, and witness it and see it in action for yourself. While folks are there, they can learn about the proceedings and watch to ensure that the justice being done in their name is actually 'just' and not 'just us.'

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    58. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > No wonder why everyone went to Reddit.

      So you're saying we lost the impatient and reactionary people to Reddit? Are you sure that's a bad thing?

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    59. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Permission can't come in hindsight.

      Why not? I've seen it before. Pushing someone out of the way of a falling piano is assault. But permission is generally given after the fact, given that the battery was performed for the benefit of the "victim".

    60. Re: White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is he shouldn't have to use a burner name and address. They (the manufacturer) should be grateful that he took the time to check for security vulnerabilities in their product for free.

      This is also a public good issue because the only people who benefit from vulnerable voting booths are corrupt politicians.

      We shouldn't have to bury our heads in the sand (more like our own asses) and scream "lalalala I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!" Just because some company wants to protect it's profits. I say if they wanted to protect their profits, they should have done better testing before the product was released, and they should fix the issues found by others after release quickly and effectively, instead of suing the person that found those issues and reported them.

      These lawsuits are the reason computer / online security is so bad. We have some politicians who understand this, but sadly we still have a majority of them that think that a company's profit motive is more important than real security (when at the sametime we have something called the Department of Homeland what? And a Cyber thing too.... Hmmm naming crap is hard.) and we all suffer for it. That needs to change.

    61. Re:White Hat by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      After all, parameterized SQL queries have been the norm for at least eight or ten years, which means that for this to be accidental, either the software would have to be as old as Windows Vista or the developers would have to be so grossly incompetent that they would never be able to hold down a job writing database software for more than a week or two.

      Oh, I don't know. Plenty of software is written by people who don't know what parameterized queries are, or who think "it's behind a firewall" is adequate security. If you actually work somewhere you don't see stuff like this, you're either not looking or very, very lucky and you should never quit your job, because literally everywhere else is worse.

    62. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 1
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    63. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Why not? I've seen it before. Pushing someone out of the way of a falling piano is assault. But permission is generally given after the fact, given that the battery was performed for the benefit of the "victim".

      Pushing someone out of the way of a falling piano is not assault. Making stupid stuff up like this is an assault on common sense though, with or without permission.

    64. Re:White Hat by terjeber · · Score: 1

      As a member of the General Public, he was part owner of the system.

    65. Re:White Hat by terjeber · · Score: 1

      Breaking into or executing code on a system without permission is a criminal offense.

      Not if it is a system you own. Since this is a public system, the "perpetrator" is part owner, and therefore allowed.

    66. Re:White Hat by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      there are still some reactionary people, just look at anything political. Oh wait you don't mean reactionary in that sense.

    67. Re:White Hat by terjeber · · Score: 1

      So, all whistle blowers are criminals?

    68. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      http://definitions.uslegal.com...

      Thanks, but the details come within the rules on how that discretion is exercised. They can't just arbitrarily ignore solid evidence. They can choose to not prosecute based on lack of evidence. Its not like they can just say "I like this guy and he had good intentions, so we'll ignore this strong evidence he committed a felony."

      At this point, we know he's been charged and arrested. Since the charges have been brought up, the DA/PA has to have a strong reason to dismiss the charges, based primarily on lack of evidence.

    69. Re:White Hat by terjeber · · Score: 1

      Imagine if they next USED that key to enter the building on a weekend and rummaged through the offices inside. That's second-degree burglary.

      If it was a private home, you'd be right, but the government is "by the people", in other words, he is part owner in said building and has done nothing but opening a door to a building he by definition has free access to with a couple of (in this case) irrelevant exceptions. There is no such thing as "the government owns".

    70. Re:White Hat by terjeber · · Score: 1

      I was beginning to be disillusioned with all the people here who simply can't understand how the law works

      So Rosa Parks was wrong? What about Assange? Manning? W. Mark Felt? Daniel Ellsberg?

    71. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      So, all whistle blowers are criminals?

      Don't know. The legal system is the place where we find out. Some are charged, some are then prosecuted, some acquitted, etc. But if they broke a law, and there is evidence, then they'll be at risk of at least getting charged.

    72. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      What about them?

    73. Re:White Hat by Livius · · Score: 1

      he still broke the law and MUST be prosecuted

      That's what pardons are for.

    74. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reporting a flaw in something I created to everyone EXCEPT me would cause me to be pretty salty, too.

    75. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cute. Intent has nothing to do with anything. Even those who stood up against terrible laws accepted the consequences when they broke the law they were fighting against.

    76. Re:White Hat by John+Meacham · · Score: 2

      That discretion is based on quality of evidence. If the evidence is clear, there is no choice. Its not the movies.

      Completely, utterly not true. The DA has fully discretion on what to prosecute. And political reasons are a huge part of deciding whether to do so or not. [1]

      Not only does the DA have the freedom to not prosecute, a jury can declare someone not guilty they know is guilty if they believe the law itself or the punishment that will happen if declared guilty is unjust. [2]

      [1] http://definitions.uslegal.com...
      [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    77. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That's not true. Everyone involved has a choice.

    78. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I said nothing about the jury. You cited the definition of proprietorial discretion, but not the standards by which it is implemented. Its not simply them doing what they feel they want to. Precedence and quality of evidence are key factors. A DA will not be employed long ignoring cases with clear evidence. Its not like there is any lack of clarity on which laws were apparently broken.

      Going forward, the DA may decide to drop the charges once defense lawyers present more information, or plea bargain, or to go ahead with trial. That's how the process works, and ignoring a case with clear evidence is not going to happen under any normal circumstance. And when we are dealing with anything to do with elections, its not something you just dismiss immediate. This is a case where the guy apparently decided consciously to break the law, and could have taken a different approach. If he had been caught before he revealed it would probably be even worse for him in the end. At least now he has some defense evidence as well.

    79. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      He found "a" key in the parking lot. He couldn't have known what it was for. So he opened a door with it to verify it was in fact the key to the building, so he could turn it in to the correct people. Then, having not walked in and rummaged around, turned in the key. And was arrested for breaking and entering, when legally, he only broke.

    80. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Touching someone without their permission is assault. That you don't know the basic definitions of common words doesn't change them to match what you'd like them to be.

    81. Re:White Hat by rsborg · · Score: 2

      After all, parameterized SQL queries have been the norm for at least eight or ten years,

      I failed an interview at Cisco for not knowing about prepared SQL statements... back in 1998. Was a big learning experience for inexperienced me. So parameterized queries have been around (and highly recommended) even way back in the golden 90's "Perl is all you need" days.

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    82. Re:White Hat by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I guess to them it wasn't a bug. It was a feature.

    83. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typing ''OR 1=1/*" in to a password prompt isn't "breaking into" anything, it's checking to see if the door is locked.

      SQL Injection falls under the category of: "Moron set up a system to execute arbitrary code if an apostrophe is entered as text"

      If your code is so frail it can't handle such basic error conditions: it's not good enough for production. It's not like there aren't a zillion and one web-app pen testing tools available to check your web application for these basic errors.

    84. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you SUCK, get another job before you fuck everything up

    85. Re:White Hat by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      So, all whistle blowers are criminals?

      In the USA at least the personal outcomes for whistle blowers (at any level of government or business) is more likely to be negative than positive. The best they can hope for most of the time is whatever they're whistle blowing about gets improved.

    86. Re:White Hat by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Even if you are, if they don't like what you report then you are not a white hat if they want to get the legal system involved.

      Computer security is a thankless task. If you see something wrong and can't fix it yourself it's potentially a snake pit filling with water and sharks.

    87. Re:White Hat by dbIII · · Score: 1

      That you don't know the basic definitions of common words

      You've nailed it - see his "two plants" posts for confirmation.

    88. Re: White Hat by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I like this. We have FDA inspectors, fire marshals, bank examiners and so many other people who have the jobs of keeping the public safe. How do we not have security testers with that job?

      "Small government".
      In the name of thrift you get rid of those that check to see whether the public is being ripped off or defrauded.

    89. Re:White Hat by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I expect to see that vendor added to a government blacklist and become immediately ineligible for any government contracts going forward

      It's not going to happen unless the revolving door employment door stops working or the donations stop coming. Fit for purpose is a secondary consideration.

    90. Re:White Hat by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      This is explicitly incorrect. You cannot and will never get permission.

      The DMCA and other laws need to enable security testing by security professionals if it's not causing harm (as opposed to negligence). I do recall there are already laws on the books for this.

    91. Re:White Hat by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Back in high school in the 1980s doing stuff in BASIC for fucks sake one of the early lessons was to let only valid user inputs get into variables. There is no excuse today.

    92. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Not high treason, but he did break the law. It's one of the risks of being a whisteblower: you do something that's going to piss off powerful people, and you often have to break the law to do it. As much as I appreciate what Snowden did, he still should stand trial. The problem is that there is a high likelihood that his version of motive will get suppressed at trial.

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    93. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Throwing a single quote in a field and having it throw an error isn't the same thing as dumping credentials, which is what Levin did. That takes a modicum of effort and involves an intent to access data that is not intended to be public.

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    94. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Assault involves intent to harm. Example from California Penal Code Section 240:

      "An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another."

      An attempt to commit a violent injury is an action undertaken with the intent to harm. Pushing someone out of the way of danger is not an intent to harm but an intent to prevent harm. Assault does not apply.

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    95. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Parks was a calculated test case. She was part of a plan to get arrested so that the issue could be taken to the Supreme Court. She knew there was a risk of arrest, conviction, and punishment, and that it was likely but not guaranteed that appeals would be accepted.

      Assange has done nothing legally wrong pertaining to his receipt and possession of classified information. As a citizen of Australia and having a presence in Sweden and the UK at the time, he was not subject to US jurisdiction. Even if he had been in the US, it's questionable whether receipt and possession of such material in the absence of taking an oath as an employee or member of the military would make him subject to espionage laws. (Doesn't mean the US wouldn't attempt a trial.)

      Manning knew what she was doing and that she could get burned doing it.

      Felt also knew he could get burned, and that's why he took such serious precautions and kept quiet for three decades.

      Ellsberg likewise knew what kind of trouble he could and did get into. The government screwed up a fairly easy case by illegally gathering evidence that resulted in the trial being too badly tainted to continue, and charges were dismissed.

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    96. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lee... Kounty?"

      A shitty Russian cigarette flicks across the room, landing on a dog momentarily. Just a wild dog, one of many in this city.

      "Lee County. It's a place. You pack now."

      Fin.

    97. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Yes, you stop poking and send something through one channel or another. You don't keep trying to see how far you can get.

      I'm in the same field as Levin. I have no sympathy for him because the first rule of our field is "Get permission!" I have occasionally seen iffy things on sites, but I don't go probing them. I send an email with what I see with an explanation of how I saw it and how it could be accidentally discovered, and then leave it at that.

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    98. Re: White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      A lot of these groups do get pen tests. Unfortunately, they're not always good pen tests. This is very much a field where you get what you pay for, and a lot of "pen testers" are working for pen test puppy mills making $20/hr (if that, especially if they're overseas). They run Nessus and Metasploit, and if they can't get in, they call it secure.

      There should be some minimum standards, but it's really difficult to effectively measure that. You can get known good companies, but you risk shutting own good people who are breaking out on their own. Trying to make a list of acceptable companies that can test in is at least as difficult, as the test environment will eventually leak, and even requiring certifications can be hard because in some cases, it's not difficult to fake who is taking the test.

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    99. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of malicious intent, and that's not how the laws are always written. Someone walking on to a property with no intent except to shorten their walking time (like crossing an empty lot) is guilty of trespass if they have been told not to do it, or if there are "no trespassing" signs posted. Good or ill will has nothing to do with whether someone is guilty.

      Likewise, hacking laws don't have to involve malicious intent. From the CFAA (18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C):

      'Whoever intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains information from any protected computer shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section.'

      Whether you think it's a good or bad law, it's still the law, and no malicious intent is required. The intent is not malicious, but just to gain higher access than allowed. All that has to happen is for someone to seek greater access than they're allowed, whether express or implied. Most states have similar laws.

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    100. Re: White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Where do you draw the line on good intent? What if someone gets in and changes the results because they believe that the otherwise-winning candidate would be a disaster for the county or state or country?

      Yeah, it's unfortunate that we have to have these laws, but it's better that we have them than that we don't. For the better part of a decade, quiet disclosure has been possible and performed. He should have done it this time.

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    101. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      No, a single quote to see what happens is rattling the doorknob (which if a cop sees you doing it can itself be grounds for attempted breaking an entering). Actually modifying the SQL statement to potentially return data you're not supposed to see is against the law.

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    102. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      I've done pen tests against county governments before. I even got permission before doing it!

      You won't get permission to do it without a contract. You can get permission if they're looking for someone to do it. If you're that gung-ho about it, be the low bidder.

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    103. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      "intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative." TX Statutes Penal Code 22.01.

      Or try 242 of your CA laws. "A battery is any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another." Some places, like Texas, count battery under assault. Other places separate them out. Assault and Battery is a single charge in Texas, under the Assault statute. That's the most common now, as states simplify and unify penal codes over time. But California still has battery listed explicitly separately. So it wouldn't be assault in CA, but would be battery. But looks to still be a felony, but I'm not as familiar with CA's laws as some other places.

    104. Re:White Hat by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      When dealing with the mob, "retirement" is not an option. I mean, it is, but not exactly the way you might picture it.

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    105. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to worry about SQL Injection, just always use parameterized queries. Not doing that is dangerous and incredibly stupid.

    106. Re:White Hat by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      yep a defense that you need to put before a judge and jury for them to determine its validity. Doesn't sound like what this guy did though, nor does it appear to match his intentions given his actions post hack and who he told.

    107. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The courts aren't going to let this slide just because he's a "good guy," because that sets a bad precedent. Huh? The law is ALSO about intent, and harm. It's not just an arbitary rule book. The "precedent" you describe is EXACTLY what should be set.

      NO IT IS NOT. some laws are about intent and/or harm. many (including accessing a computer system without authorisation) is about whether you did it or not, harm and intent do not enter into it.

    108. Re:White Hat by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Breaking into or executing code on a system without permission is a criminal offense.

      Not if it is a system you own. Since this is a public system, the "perpetrator" is part owner, and therefore allowed.

      cool so by your definition all I have to do is buy one share in every company and then I am free to hack them and am completely immune to prosecution....

    109. Re:White Hat by GNious · · Score: 1

      That would be the "best" way to expose an insecure voting system...

      "And the numbers are in from Florida; Hillary gets 13% of the votes, Trump manages 19%, and Putin wins the state with 71%"

    110. Re:White Hat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Sad when that's the best result we can hope for.

    111. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Breaking into or executing code on a system without permission is a criminal offense.

      Blah, blah, blah. Are we here to repeat (ad nauseam) the (possibly legal) status quo, or to think about "how it *should* be"? Things to discuss:

        - has Harrington something to hide?
        - has she overstepped her power?
        - is this "standard operating procedure" of throwing the book at someone beneficial for our society?

      I mean: whistleblowers do break some laws most of the time. They're still possibly doing us all a favor. Shouldn't we try to get the laws modulated in a way that they better reflect the common good?

      Derailing the discussion with "but but he broke the law nyah nyah nyah" isn't constructive. We *know* that already. So did most probably Harrington.

      Are you a Harrington shill?

    112. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russian mobsters might be interested in hacking a bank or a payroll database. An election is different, maybe the FSB would be interested instead.

    113. Re:White Hat by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      No reasonable person would read either quote and classify pushing someone out of harm's way as assault. I am willing to agree that a great many people, including you, are not reasonable.

    114. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this specious argument posted many times. It is just that, however: specious. The Public has no ownership interest in government property.

    115. Re:White Hat by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Absolutely try breaking into your local police station to demonstrate weaknesses in their security and see what that gets you.

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    116. Re:White Hat by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 1

      The headline here is misleading, according to the Reg this "white hat" "then went a step further and used the Lee County supervisor's username and password to gain access to other password protected areas." When he used the credentials that way he was no longer a white hat.

    117. Re:White Hat by SargentDU · · Score: 1

      Not reasonable, you think the bureaucracy of a state is reasonable? They are nerds for the law more than anyone else. That is why this person is being prosecuted in Florida. Think man....

    118. Re:White Hat by Shortguy881 · · Score: 2

      There is a major difference between academic knowledge and practical application. I say this because I still see many developers (I do code reviews where I work and help aspiring developers outside of work) who completely ignore what they learned and just go about solving the problem the fastest way. You are right in saying there is no excuse, but that doesn't make people code better and it doesn't make this particular vulnerability malicious.

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    119. Re:White Hat by pfleming · · Score: 1

      I've seen this specious argument posted many times. It is just that, however: specious. The Public has no ownership interest in government property.

      This came up in a different discussion I was having this week. Arizona has what's called Trust Land. It belongs to the state (people) and is fenced off with no trespassing signs.

    120. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      "...when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative."

      If the other person knew that a piano was falling toward him and couldn't move, there's a reasonable belief that he would want to be moved out of the way and would not regard such contact as "offensive or provocative."

      "...willful and unlawful use of force..."

      Assault first, battery second. If there's no assault because there's no intent to harm, there's no battery.

      In neither case is a law broken.

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    121. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. Thank you. I will use this later when others suggest that they should get access to some government property because the people own it.

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    122. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      I'm in favor of whistleblower protection laws, and that they should be extended to contractors. But whistleblowers are almost always insiders in some form.

      Levin is not a whistleblower. He's a random outsider who happens to have some testing skills. The flaw should be fixed, and the county should get a pen test from a reputable company. But he still broke the law, and appears to have admitted as much. Whether he gets a plea deal, or can present a successful defense, is up to the DA and his defense counsel.

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      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    123. Re:White Hat by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Horsecrap. Government picks and chooses all the time what to prosecute for and what to ignore.

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    124. Re:White Hat by shaitand · · Score: 1

      It doesn't actually have to be a law just the greater good. Medical necessity is an example of a common affirmative defense.

      Slashdot can't simply take a poll but the prosecutor can in fact make a judgement call on whether or not to bring charges and prosecute even if a law was broken. There is a chance they might well do so because a jury can and may well nullify the law in a case like this. If he did some kind of damage while in the system that is one thing but if all he did was bring to light a serious vulnerability that presented an imminent threat to the integrity of elections his peers, the people impacted by that vulnerability, might well decide that isn't a crime at all and the prosecutor knows it.

    125. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure Putin is more qualified to run a country at this point than Trump. I'm not saying he's not a horrible human being who's known for horrible human rights and being a general dbag, but he is qualified to run a country at this point.

    126. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I can understand from my time down there, my relatives down there, and the news, Florida bases all its laws on who shoots whom first. So if he had broken into the system then shot it and threw some Skittles around the computer case he'd probably be fine.

    127. Re: White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need someone (or some group) sanctioned to pen test government assets.

      We already have such a group. It's called the public. Any other group is subject to the same corruption and lack of ethics that led to the security holes in the first place. All we need is a reasonable, generally agreed upon set of rules - which would inevitably protect this guy's actions in this particular case. The government is completely in the wrong here, and, as usual, demonstrating contempt for the people they work for.

    128. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "If you're going to try to break into a system, get permission."

      "Dear incompetent, may I please expose your incompetence?" You can't even be just a little bit serious.

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    129. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      " I'm not sure how you could change the law to accommodate such "good intentions" hacking."

      Seriously. You can't imagine a law with a provision where it is not illegal when no damage is caused and the flaw is instead reported so that it can be fixed? See also Mens Rea

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    130. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Now would be a very good time to accept that you have literally no knowledge in the domain of law.

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    131. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "Assault involves intent to harm."

      Assault doesn't necessarily involve any contact at all. You are thinking of assault and battery. There is such a thing as verbal assault, where no physical contact or harm ensues. See also, and then just accept that you don't know about the law and move on with your life..

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    132. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You have been doing network security for 20 years and your SlashID is as high as 2726007. That in and of itself is very telling my friend.

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    133. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Verbal assault involves an attempt at emotional or psychological harm.

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    134. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am. When you make your living in this field, permission is the key to everything. Even port scans are usually preceded by permission.

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      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    135. Re:White Hat by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then the powers-that-be pooh-pooh the vector and claim it can't be exploited or is unimportant.

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    136. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      No. It involves a threat of physical harm, regardless of Mens Rea

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    137. Re:White Hat by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I make my living in the same field as you bud, only I actually understand the problem domain here, whereas you are either intentionally dense or just ridiculously naive.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    138. Re:White Hat by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Do you break into systems without getting permission first? If so, I do hope your attorney's retainer is paid up.

      I get the issue here, that an elections office is ridiculously insecure and that it can literally have a national effect after what happened in 2000. That doesn't grant permission for someone to break in. He should have known better, he seems to have said he should have known better, and there are established ways for handling these kinds of issues if you choose to undertake these activities. But if you do go that route and you get caught, you're extremely likely to face a judge.

      People here are trusting that all he did was dump and test some creds, but is that where he stopped? Did he get any internal creds? Did he leave any code behind? Did he alter any internal data? What if this had been someone from a presidential campaign? Slashdot would be climbing over itself calling for heads to roll because of course someone did something untoward, even if they did exactly what Levin has purportedly done.

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    139. Re:White Hat by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You're still off a little. They *can* do so. The question is it politically expedient or (in rare cases) an injustice to not do so. They're got a shitton of leeway. Go watch your local court sometime. On very RARE occasions, you'll even see it after they've been indicted by a Grand Jury - which, if I understand Floridian courts, is what has happened. So it *can* be done. It just usually isn't.

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    140. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... A point, you have one. :/ True, some are still here.

      Bah... I just hit 50 posts. :P

      'Tis KGIII, obviously. (Who else would concede a point on Slashdot?)

    141. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The desire to suppress reactionary drivel from ACs, and perhaps account holders as well, is understandable. However, the time limit for true ACs (ACs with no account whatsoever, not just an account holder posting anonymously) is now around 2.5 hours between posts, including posts on separate articles - I don't know the exact time limit, as it's not worth it to me to test for that. I think a half hour would be enough to avoid crapflooding by ACs, but 2.5 hours dampens exchange of ideas by those who prefer a greater level of anonymity beyond logging in and checking a box. Things seemed OK when the limit was lower, though the signal-to-noise ratio has never been great here. The recently implemented long wait certainly hasn't reduced the number of APK spam-posts. Furthermore, a long delay is not going to encourage me (nor, I think most true ACs) to get an account. I've been lurking here off-and-on since 1999-ish. I have no interest in an account for my own reasons, and that isn't going to change. I still don't have a facebook account in 2016 and that's not going to cahnge - why would I get a slashdot account?

      Oops, forgot the <rant> tags...

      - T

    142. Re:White Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO, it seems far more likely that the SQL injection holes were deliberate. After all, parameterized SQL queries have been the norm for at least eight or ten years, which means that for this to be accidental, either the software would have to be as old as Windows Vista or the developers would have to be so grossly incompetent that they would never be able to hold down a job writing database software for more than a week or two.

      Don't underestimate bad coders, or even good coders put under enough pressure to meet timelines.

    143. Re:White Hat by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I suppose its not as absolute as I made it to be, but I'd put forth that it is still quite an exception where there is strong evidence.

    144. Re:White Hat by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      They may do that anyway. I've seen exploited vulnerabilities get passed over for more "mainstream" bugs but at least you won't be looking at jail time.

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  4. No he wasn't by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was arrested for actually hacking the website. Stop it with the clickbait headlines. This isn't the Star.

    1. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1, Troll

      That was my first thought. Why does the submitter feel the need to tell a lie in the headline?

    2. Re:No he wasn't by bplipschitz · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well shit.

      I thought this was The Star.

    3. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      On second thought, it will be interesting to see the number of dupes posting here who believe the headline.

    4. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is Happy Days, and Fonzie already jumped the shark -- back in 2005.

    5. Re:No he wasn't by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      How do you find a vulnerability without actually testing it?

    6. Re:No he wasn't by hesiod · · Score: 5, Informative

      He was "hacking" it on a video demonstrating it directly to THE ELECTIONS SUPERVISOR, who agree he should not have been arrested.

    7. Re:No he wasn't by Luthair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a running service 'testing' hacks is still hacking.

    8. Re:No he wasn't by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No he wasn't. He "hacked" it previously before the demonstration. Stop lying. I agree he shouldn't have been arrested but there is no reason to lie for clicks.

    9. Re:No he wasn't by chispito · · Score: 1

      He was arrested for actually hacking the website.

      Correct. He is being charged with gray hatting.

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    10. Re:No he wasn't by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what you're saying is that nobody should ever try to discover vulnerabilities and report them?

      What I'm getting at here is yes, in this instance, he went a little too far by using the credentials he found after the injection was done to login to other parts of their system, but if he had stopped after the initial injection worked, and then disclosed that vulnerability to the owners, is that technically still hacking? And if so, doesn't that create a rather terrible precedent?

    11. Re:No he wasn't by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      He was "hacking" it on a video demonstrating it directly to THE ELECTIONS SUPERVISOR, who agree he should not have been arrested.

      No, he was not. A candidate for elections supervisor for a county is not the active elections supervisor for the county.

      Levin told the elections office what he did under the auspices of helping its cybersecurity and explained how he hacked into the databases in a YouTube video also featuring Dan Sinclair, who is one of the candidates running for the supervisor position against incumbent Supervisor of Elections Sharon Harrington.

      Even if Dan Sinclair held that position, the county supervisor of election has no authority to consent to hacking of state, not county, elections systems.

      The Florida Department of Law Enforcement accused the 31-year-old Estero man of hacking into the state elections website Jan. 4 and Jan. 31. He hacked into the Lee County elections website Dec. 19.

      You also missed this gem, presumably from Dan Sinclair himself:

      The arrest report was clear that Sinclair did not ask Levin to hack into the sites, but that Levin called him to tell him what he had done afterward.

      About this only part that you got right is that one unelected person thinks that Levin should not have been arrested.

    12. Re:No he wasn't by hesiod · · Score: 1

      If that is the case, the article was not clear on that point. I went back and reread it and still am not entirely sure, but I am not intimately familiar with the details so I will accept that I could have been incorrect in my assessment.

    13. Re:No he wasn't by hesiod · · Score: 1

      A candidate for elections supervisor for a county is not the active elections supervisor for the county.

      From the article: "Levin detailed the SQL injection in a YouTube video shot with elections supervisor Dan Sinclair". It does not say "candidate" anywhere in the text.

    14. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Star has more credibility.

    15. Re:No he wasn't by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      It helps to read the related inteviews linked in the summary instead of simply the lede.

      Get a grip.

    16. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Does it make sense to you that he'd schedule a video demonstration of how to hack the system if he hadn't already done it?

    17. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you did any modicum of research you'd see on Dan Sinclair's own web site that he is, in fact, only a candidate. But assuming things and making accusations is cool, too. It's working out great for most journalists these days.

    18. Re:No he wasn't by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      You get permission to test BEFORE you do the testing!

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    19. Re:No he wasn't by Anubis+IV · · Score: 0

      It was a political move, plain and simple. He brought the information to a political candidate, rather than the incumbent. Unsurprisingly, that resulted in the incumbent getting egg on her face, which comes on top of the missteps she's apparently been making over the course of the last several years, as mentioned in the summary, and for which she's already facing an official audit. As such, it shouldn't come as a surprise that she takes a dim view of this "hacker's" activities and that he'd be facing criminal charges as a result. Meanwhile, the political candidate is using all of this as an opportunity to make accusations of political corruption.

      Sure, he hacked the site, but there's no evidence that he did any harm, nor that he did anything more than his civic duty after discovering a vulnerability. He's being crucified because he reported it to people who used it as political ammunition against more powerful people.

    20. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that running service helps determine the fate of the world (like an election does) there is no justifiable limit to place on someone reporting vulnerabilities because the people who abuse it won't.

    21. Re:No he wasn't by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      He already blew by the fact that Dan Sinclair was not the head of the "Lee County, Florida Elections Office run by Sharon Harrington, the Lee County Supervisor of Elections."

      We're not making sense. We're demagoguing our preferred narrative, facts be damned.

    22. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was arrested for actually hacking the website.

      Off course he hacked the website. How the fuck are you gonna determine it's vulnerable, oujia board? Stop it with your loaded words, this isn't Reddit.

    23. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does it make sense to you that he'd schedule a video demonstration of how to hack the system if he hadn't already done it?

      Yes. Some people are actually competent enough to know what something will do before they do it. It's pretty much the defining characteristic separating a hacker from a script kiddie.

    24. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 0

      Yup, its a big grand conspiracy against this guy. All organized and coordinated between different authorities on short notice.

      And, when breaking the law, it's OK if you had good intentions. That should always be a legitimate excuse. "I gave that money I stole to the poor, officer".

    25. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a bit more tangled...
      http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/estero-man-arrested-in-connection-with-hacking-into-lee-supervisor-of-elections-website-320735cb-260-378122121.html

      The hacker was part of the political machine. He made a video of breaking into the site and that video included the man running against the current supervisor of elections. The current supervisor of elections was informed of the YouTube video by her opponent. That makes this look far more politically motivated than altruistic.

    26. Re:No he wasn't by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      nor that he did anything more than his civic duty after discovering a vulnerability.

      How is it his "civic duty" to use the login credentials he obtained by hacking into a website to access other secure areas of the system? Is there any surprise that the login credentials of the election supervisor can actually be used to log into other parts of the network, and is this really a bug in the system?

      Had he stopped at the SQL injection attack and reported that, we could argue about whether that was criminal in itself. But by stepping over the line and using the credentials he nullified the argument in his favor.

    27. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hit it right on the money bro, they are crucifying him because he embarrassed incompetent politicians! And these are the people trusted to secure our elections. Good grief!

    28. Re:No he wasn't by Anubis+IV · · Score: 0

      I'm having trouble even knowing where to start with someone who thinks that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is in any way analogous to a security researcher reporting a flaw they discovered.

      First off, if what he did is illegal under the current law (which has yet to be decided in court), then the law should be repealed and the jury should vote for nullification. It's in everyone's best interests to encourage the discovery, reporting, and patching of security holes, particularly in public systems that only function inasmuch as they hold the public's trust. He reported something he saw that needed to be fixed in such a system. Fixing those holes is in the public's best interest. Not just the poor. Not just an interest group. Not just some. Everyone. Well, everyone...aside from those who intend to capitalize on the hole (e.g. criminals) or those who allowed the hole (e.g. officials in charge).

      Second, unlike your "rob from the rich to give to the poor" analogy, what he actually did was the equivalent of walking through a gigantic hole into a bank's vault, left the money alone, took a video of himself next to the money to prove he was there, posted the video so that the folks in charge of the bank could get in touch, and then promptly found himself shot by thugs from the bank who don't want word getting out that their bank has a gaping hole.

      Messengers bearing bad news get shot when the listener values their own public image more than they value the public's best interests.

      And it doesn't take a conspiracy to recognize that it would only take a phone call from the election officer to the D.A. to get this guy charged, since he posted a video of something that on its face would appear to be illegal...if you didn't apply any common sense at all. Unfortunately, common sense tends to fly out the door when bogeyman phrases like "hacker" or "terrorist" get bandied around.

    29. Re:No he wasn't by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Technically, you should never be checking a third party service for vulnerabilities without their explicit consent. As a third party, no you aren't supposed to test sites for vulnerabilities.

    30. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I'm having trouble even knowing where to start with someone who thinks that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is in any way analogous to a security researcher reporting a flaw they discovered.

      First off, if what he did is illegal under the current law (which has yet to be decided in court), then the law should be repealed and the jury should vote for nullification

      For the first part, it was simply an example of why you can't justify breaking the law on 'good intentions'. That is all.

      On your second point, if you think the law should be repealed then that should be your point. But we can't let criminals go because some people think the law should be repealed. The way the legal system works, is you repeal the law, then it no longer applies. Until then, you must prosecute if you have evidence the law has been broken. Whether he gets convicted is another story, and if so what his punishment will be is another. But we can't just decide arbitrarily to not prosecute. Who decides then when we should or shouldn't prosecute any crime?

      That you applaud his actions matters zero. That someone reported the crime for their own personal reasons matters zero. What matters is the crime was committed, and the evidence is enough to prosecute. That is how it works. Sorry, but its simple reality. If it is enough evidence to convict and the court/jury agrees, then he'll be sentenced. That's simple reality as well, and your opinion or the motivation of the person who reported him are irrelevant in the eyes of the law. Sorry, but that's how the real world works.

      You may not like it or agree with it, but that's how it works. If you don't like the law, fight to have it changed. Argue with the law, not those doing their job in enforcing the law.

    31. Re:No he wasn't by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      What matters is the crime was committed, and the evidence is enough to prosecute. That is how it works. Sorry, but its simple reality.

      No, that's not reality, because--with the exception of strict liability cases--for there to be a crime, you need two elements: a guilty act and a guilty mind (a.k.a. actus reus and mens rea). Your suggestion that a "crime was committed" both presumes his guilt and suggests that a guilty act alone is sufficient for a crime to have been committed, despite the law saying otherwise.

      But we can't just decide arbitrarily to not prosecute. Who decides then when we should or shouldn't prosecute any crime?

      You're implicitly creating a false dilemma by suggesting that the only alternative to prosecuting is to "arbitrarily" not prosecute. Which ignores the fact that the district attorney may choose not to prosecute for very good reasons, which also answers your question: it's the job of the district attorney's office to make that decision. It'd be a waste of taxpayer dollars and a disservice to the public if the D.A. prosecuted everyone who engages in a guilty act, not to mention a travesty of justice, since it'd mean locking up clearly innocent people until/unless they can make bail or are exonerated later.

      For a quick example of why that would be a bad thing, by the logic in your last post (i.e. that evidence of a guilty act necessitates prosecution), if a bank camera captures a group of people engaged in a shootout in the bank lobby, all of them should be prosecuted and the courts/juries should be left to sort things out, because "[they] must prosecute if [they] have evidence the law has been broken" and we have evidence that all of them assaulted each other with deadly weapons. Thankfully, what would actually happen is that the district attorney would apply some common sense and only prosecute the one who tried to rob the bank, while refusing to prosecute the bystanders responding in self-defense, the security guards, and the cops responding to the robbery.

      What you appear to be saying here is that the only thing that matters is that an intrusion took place, and that, context be damned, he's guilty as a result, deserves to be prosecuted, and that any evidence which would contradict that notion is best left to a jury to decide, even if it means locking up an innocent man or forcing him into debt by placing a $15,000 bail on him.

      I'm not arguing with the law. I'm arguing with your understanding of it. Which isn't to say that I have everything right either (after all, IANAL), but I have yet to hear something that suggests my understanding is inaccurate.

    32. Re:No he wasn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1
      You make good points, but you can't simply expect 'good intentions' to take precedence when solid evidence is at hand. I said there is evidence a crime as been committed, not that he is guilty, if I miss-spoke, my apologies. The courts decide if he is guilty of anything.

      What you appear to be saying here is that the only thing that matters is that an intrusion took place, and that, context be damned, he's guilty as a result

      I am absolutely not saying that. Being charged or prosecuted does not make one guilty. Having strong evidence pretty much requires a prosecutor move forward with the prosecution but does not mean one is guilty. I'm simply saying the prosecutor is doing his/her job, regardless of the intent of the hacker. What happens next is called the legal process. It may be a dropping of the charges, a plea bargain, an acquittal, a conviction. They can take into account all the stuff you mentioned. I don't want him to go to jail, and frankly I don't know what other information exists.

    33. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's not about the article, it's about the politics of those involved.

    34. Re:No he wasn't by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      I'm having trouble even knowing where to start with someone who thinks that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is in any way analogous to a security researcher reporting a flaw they discovered.

      It isn't. But "breaking the law" is analogous to using a website flaw to gather login credentials and then using those credentials to access other, properly protected material. From TFA:

      "Levin then went a step further and used the Lee County supervisor's username and password to gain access to other password protected areas."

      First off, if what he did is illegal under the current law (which has yet to be decided in court),

      When someone says "he broke the law" in common language, it means "I believe there is evidence to support the claim he broke the law." And here, there is. Unauthorized use of computing systems is a crime. He knew his access was unauthorized because he had to use credentials that he got from breaking into a website.

      So, while criminal liability and determination of guilt under the legal system has to await a court's decision, it is fair to say "he broke the law" in normal discussion.

      then the law should be repealed and the jury should vote for nullification.

      So you'd be happy if someone shoulder-surfed your login and then used that to look through all your files? The law against unauthorized computer access deals with that; it should be repealed or nullified you say.

      Second, unlike your "rob from the rich to give to the poor" analogy, what he actually did was the equivalent of walking through a gigantic hole into a bank's vault,

      Nope. He had to log in using credentials he got by picking the lock on a vault door.

      left the money alone,

      Again, nope. He used the credentials he obtained after picking the lock on the vault door to open a few other properly secured doors. That's not leaving the money alone, that's using the money he found.

      And it doesn't take a conspiracy to recognize that it would only take a phone call from the election officer to the D.A. to get this guy charged, since he posted a video of something that on its face would appear to be illegal...

      Yes. Why is this a bad thing? Should election officials not be allowed to report illegal activities they see in a video posted publicly?

      ..if you didn't apply any common sense at all.

      The failure of common sense occurred when the white hat hacker didn't immediately report the problem to the relevant authorities, but instead "went a step further and used the Lee County supervisor's username and password to gain access to other password protected areas."

      The problem with the website was the ability to perform an SQL injection attack. It was a violation of law to then use the credentials to wander around other password protected areas. But see, the summary doesn't talk about the latter problem, it claims he was arrested for reporting the SQL issue. You have to read TFA to find out what actually happened, because a headline that says "hacker arrested for using stolen credentials to access elections computer" isn't sexy enough a headline for this forum.

    35. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Legally you're probably correct, so let's take that to the logical extreme: remember Heartbleed?

      https://filippo.io/Heartbleed/

      How many centuries should the operator of that website spend in federal prison for running an automated vulnerability test on millions of websites? Or: if the culpable person is the one who clicks "Go!" how many millions of people deserve a CFAA conviction?

    36. Re:No he wasn't by shaitand · · Score: 1

      If you look at my other postings under this story you'll actually find I support the gentleman, i don't believe this should be criminal and I believe he should present an affirmative defense arguing that the crime is outweighed by the public good in preventing an easily found and common type of vulnerability from being exploited by a malicious attacker.

      But if everyone ran vulnerability scans the result would be a denial of service and if everyone is allowed to run them it becomes impossible to prosecute people you catch trying to break in unless you let them succeed first. Most people scanning the net for vulnerabilities are not doing so for the common good they are seeking hosts to compromise.

    37. Re:No he wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He needed to verify what permissions the login details had, in order to determine if it was a serious security issue or not.

  5. Serves him right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that he's really a haxx0r and haxx0rz belong in jail. It's the law!

    Yes, the law is stupid, and so is most every county in Florida. Even so, this "edgy" image is exactly what "security professionals" have been actively pursuing and now they're all indignant it's come back to bite them? Seriously guise, it's like you completely didn't think at all before diving into didling computers and bothering everyone. It's not that the work shouldn't be done, it's that the environment you created wherein you work is counter-productive and you have yourself to blame.

  6. Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by randomErr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wish best for this guy. He did what was right and now faces several felonies. I hope this gets thrown out and he can files a big fat civil lawsuit at the count. He has his felony charges published all over the news and in postings. He'll never be able to get top secret clearance. Any potential employer will Google this guy and may consider him to be too hot to handle.

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    1. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Ogive17 · · Score: 0

      Let's say you are curious if your neighbor locks their windows. One day you decided to walk around their house, checking all the doors and windows. You find one that's open. A few days later you see that neighbor and tell them "oh, by the way your bedroom window is unlocked."

      What are they suppose to think? You may have had the best intention but went about it in a completely creepy manner. What you could have done is go to them ahead of time and say "there have been some reports of break-ins lately, are you sure all your doors and windows are locked?"

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      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    2. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your analogy isn't very good, as the website in question was designed to be interacted with by people in the outside world. A better analogy would be telling the manager at a public library that the locking mechanism is missing/broken on one window. It's a publicly accessible resource with a security vulnerability that was directly reported to management, so they can order the responsible party within their organization (some IT worker in TFA, the custodian in the library example) to fix it.

    3. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure am curious if my government locks *our* common windows, and that situation is a tad different from my neighbour's windows! :D

    4. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is that analogy a tremendously bad one, my reaction and the reactions of most rational people would be, "Wow! I'm glad that that guy let me know that my window was unlocked, and he didn't even steal anything or do anything malicious to my property. I should be damned grateful that he discovered it first, rather than someone who would actually be acting with ill intent!" So, yeah. What a stupid post for you to write.

    5. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

      You don't look for vulnerabilities in someone's 'public' place of business either. It's as if you broke into the library's safe and told the owner 'Your locking mechanism is out of date, I was able to break into it... Then I found your building access key in the safe so I decided to break into all of your employee's offices too."

      Quoted from the article: "Levin then went a step further and used the Lee County supervisor's username and password to gain access to other password protected areas."

    6. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You find one that's open. A few days later you see that neighbor and tell them "oh, by the way your bedroom window is unlocked."

      "And to prove it, I reached in and took a pair of your wife's panties. Here they are..." Or "I reached in and took the keys laying on top of your dresser and then looked through the trunk of your car. You've also got a flat spare."

      To make the analogy fit, the window would have had to been accessible from a public space, like next to the sidewalk. Even so, trying it would have been breaking and entering. But if you start with "I saw it was ajar ..." you're closer.

    7. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Cute straw man. But that's an invalid analogy. Running an web server on port 80 is, by definition and RFC, an invitation with the message: "Come on in, look around, anywhere you can get to, go."

      If you want to play the "house" analogy, the correct one is an open house that you've placed up for sale. You've invited the public in, with open doors, open windows, open rooms, for them to roam where they wish. But outside the rooms you've carefully curated for show; behind one door there is a basement into which you've dumped any unsightly furniture, appliances, or various other rubbish bits you don't really want the public to see as part of the sales process. This is also where the furnace, water heater, and various other infrastructure is located and visible. You've not marked or locked this door. And there's a loose step and the lights have gone, but you've overlooked this in prepping the rest of the house. One of the people who've come into your open house opens that door, stumbles on the step in the dark, and does you the courtesy of informing you of the hazard. Then, instead of being thanking him, being glad that no one was hurt, and fixing the step and lights; you flip your shit and fabricate some way to get the samaritan arrested.

      --
      Imagine all the people...
    8. Re:Government willfully ignorant of their own laws by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You've not marked or locked this door.

      The door was locked, but the lock was pickable by inserting the correct jiggle pick. (I.e., using an SQL injection attack.) Then, when you got the door open, you went downstairs and rummaged through the sealed boxes. I.e., used the election official's login credentials to gain access to other parts of the house.

      One of the people who've come into your open house opens that door, stumbles on the step in the dark,

      There was nobody else involved, no "injured visitor" here. There was a visitor who picked the lock and then rummaged through other people's stuff, before he told the owner of the house that his lock was pickable.

  7. its a coverup by inode_buddha · · Score: 0

    its a coverup for some 3rd-world style voting irregularities. Nothing to see here, move along...

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    C|N>K
  8. Lesson be learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next time don't report it to them, report it to the media.

    1. Re:Lesson be learned by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Next time make the reported results so preposterous it's obvious that shenanigans are involved.

      Make 'Vermin Supreme' get 110% of the votes. Give the mainstream candidates large enough negative vote counts to give the national popular vote to 'Vermin Supreme'.

      Until someone does this, to a system directly feeding data to the news networks, the system will continue to be reported as 'secure and working as designed'.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Lesson be learned by tsqr · · Score: 1

      He hacked a website, not a voting machine.

    3. Re:Lesson be learned by SumDog · · Score: 1

      He should have done responsible disclosure via a lawyer, with a 30 day notice, before posting the video. If he owns a security firm, he should have a god damn lawyer.

    4. Re:Lesson be learned by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

      Make 'Vermin Supreme' get 110% of the votes. Give the mainstream candidates large enough negative vote counts to give the national popular vote to 'Vermin Supreme'.

      We here at Pizza Hut respect and value our customer's opinions, but we do not consider the results of that online vote binding. Our new flavor of pizza will instead be called The Murine Lover's pizza.

    5. Re:Lesson be learned by misnohmer · · Score: 1

      Neh, still a risk of your name leaking and you landing in jail. Just sell it to the highest bidder on the dark web, then hunker down until after the elections. Whoever buys the exploit will win the election, so they will have no interest to exposing or prosecuting you. Just don't try to blackmail them afterwards, or you may end up alligator food. Oh wait, did I just spoil the next season of House of Cards? ;-)

  9. There's a Fine Line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a fine line between criminal hacking and being a security professional. That fine line has something to do with being asked and hired to do it.

    If you are asked and hired to do penetration testing and security audits, by the owner of the equipment that you are testing, then you are not a criminal hacker.

    Under all other cases, you are a criminal hacker.

    Got it?

  10. He didn't "only" report it though... by Bugler412 · · Score: 1

    If he had only reported that he was able to get in the front door it would be one thing, but tfa says that he also used what he found to log in and explore, seems to me that is where the legality line was crossed, not the exposure of the vulnerability itself.

  11. The lesson is clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NEVER go to government with ANY information, good OR bad, unless they are already expecting you to. Rest assured that if they have a problem, they will come to you. Otherwise, stay as far away from government as possible, unless you actually like your good deeds punished.

  12. for the first time by zlives · · Score: 0

    blame can be laid at the POTUS
    thanks OBAMA and your policies against whistle blowers.

    1. Re:for the first time by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Please elaborate in terms of this specific case.

  13. It shouldn't matter by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do you find a vulnerability without actually testing it?

    It almost shouldn't matter in this case. It does, but it shouldn't. When you bring felony charges for basic pen testing, people who find a system is vulnerable are not going to report it. Even if they shouldn't have been snooping around in the first place, isn't it better if they're willing to report the vulnerability before someone does real damage?

    Basic SQL injection vulnerabilities are so trivial to guard against these days that it is the person who spec'd or coded the system who should be facing severe punishment, not the person who ran a penetration test. It is very much like leaving a ballot box unguarded and unlocked at a polling place, and then arresting the person who lifts up the lid and says "hey, someone left this unlocked!" Sure, he shouldn't have been checking, but he's not the one who dropped the ball and you don't arrest him for it.

    In a worse case, this could have been done easily by a random tech guy barely out of high school, a malicious government, a ransomware operator, or anyone who wanted to steal the election. Many people love this kind of soft target. The local government should be thanking their lucky stars it was done by someone who reported it instead of using it to elect the candidate slate of their choice.

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    Real lawyers write in C++
    1. Re:It shouldn't matter by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, everyone involved in the procurement, installation and use of these machines should be at least fired, and quite honestly, should be charged with negligence of their duty. The company that provided these machines should be sued, and the machines returned as being "unfit" and full and complete refund sought.

      The fact that they are going after the wrong guy, is all the evidence I need to show once again, government is the problem, not the solution. We need to take back our country from the statist elites that think they know better than everyone else.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    2. Re:It shouldn't matter by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is very much like leaving a ballot box unguarded and unlocked at a polling place, and then arresting the person who lifts up the lid and says "hey, someone left this unlocked!" Sure, he shouldn't have been checking, but he's not the one who dropped the ball and you don't arrest him for it.

      I agree, somewhat. The analogy breaks down slightly because in the "physical world" you can sense that something may be open, such as a door, by looking at it and not necessarily walking through. Then the question is, is it illegal to try to open a locked door? Is it illegal to try to open a door that isn't yours but is easily accessible? (no barriers, no signage, etc)

      However when it comes to networks, the only way to "see" a vulnerability is to actually use it and test if it works. Is that hacking? Should it be illegal?

    3. Re:It shouldn't matter by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      It is very much like leaving a ballot box unguarded and unlocked at a polling place, and then arresting the person who lifts up the lid and says "hey, someone left this unlocked!"

      It is trivial to detect an unlocked ballot box. It has no lock on it! You don't need to open it up to know that. And unguarded likewise, does not require opening it up to demonstrate.

      In this case, knowing that an SQL injection attack can get the elections supervisor login credentials may take an actual SQL injection attack. But it doesn't take any deep insight to know that having the supervisor's credentials will give someone access to other parts of the system, which is what this guy proceeded to do after the attack. THAT'S what makes this more than just "basic pen testing".

      In your ballot box analogy, it would be like noticing an unlocked/unguarded ballot box, opening the top to demonstrate that fact, and then rifling through the ballots to see how people voted. It's that last step that goes over the line.

      In a worse case, this could have been done easily by a random tech guy barely out of high school, a malicious government, a ransomware operator, or anyone who wanted to steal the election.

      I'm sorry, but how does there being a number of people who could have broken the law mean the law should be ignored?

    4. Re:It shouldn't matter by shaitand · · Score: 1

      If that is as far as you go, no it shouldn't be illegal. If there are no damages (including potential damages from unauthorized review of the contents of the server) and any vulnerability found is reported it should not be illegal.

      Especially when you are talking about a server with a public function and he is part of the community serviced by that server.

    5. Re:It shouldn't matter by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "I'm sorry, but how does there being a number of people who could have broken the law mean the law should be ignored?"

      His actions prevented future defrauding of the people which is a far greater crime than unauthorized systems access. It's akin to kicking you in the balls to stop you from shooting a nun. It's called an affirmative defense.

      In Florida, the state in question, for instance, medical marijuana was illegal last I checked but medical necessity is considered valid as an affirmative defense if charged for possession/intoxication/production.

    6. Re:It shouldn't matter by Megol · · Score: 1

      It's cute when someone think there is _a_ government. This is simply not true. Even if we ignore the fact that the US is made up of several states with separate governments (arguable with several layers of sub-governments) and treat it as a single entity it isn't true. It isn't even true in totalitarian states with a tightly controlled government apparatus! It is a paranoid fantasy, a convenient us-vs-them scenario being used as a scapegoat for things perceived as impossible to change, easier than realizing the frightening truth: people are dumb, stupid, panicky animals - and governments consists of people.

    7. Re:It shouldn't matter by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      His actions prevented future defrauding of the people which is a far greater crime than unauthorized systems access.

      How did his rifling through the parts of the network that he got access to by using the election official's login credentials stop anyone else from doing the same thing? Answer: it didn't.

      That's even IF you assume that his reporting the SQL injection hole stopped anyone else from using it, and it didn't. But he wasn't charged because he reported the hole, despite the clickbait headline, he was charged because he used the credentials he uncovered by using that hole.

    8. Re:It shouldn't matter by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The US has at least four layers of government in most places.

      Municipality/City/Town(ship) (city for short)
      County
      State
      Federal

      For much of the governance, the local (city/county) have abdicated their proper role, and ceded authority to the State, and more likely Federal level. And the State and Federal levels love to steal the power, and do so on a regular basis.

      I usually ask it this way, which is the highest authority law enforcement agency? The correct answer is "County Sheriff". Apart for Arpio in AZ, there is almost nobody else taking that responsibility. And it doesn't matter if you like him, he is doing the job his constituents elected him to do. Because the Sheriff is elected, and no other Law Enforcement agency is, is why that is the most authority (because it is closest to the people).

      So, yes, you are correct there isn't one "government. However, the ability of the local, county and state to overrule the feds is diminishing every day.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    9. Re:It shouldn't matter by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      ... and any vulnerability found is reported it should not be illegal.

      "I was able to use the election supervisor's username and password to log into restricted areas of a website" is not a vulnerability. He wasn't "finding a vulnerability" at that point, he was exploiting it.

      Reporting that "I was able to use an SQL injection attack on this web page and got the system to do something that wasn't intended" is finding a vulnerability, but he didn't stop there. He didn't need to actually use the credentials he obtained using that attack vector to report the problem or prove that it existed.

    10. Re:It shouldn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For much of the governance, the local (city/county) have abdicated their proper role, and ceded authority to the State, and more likely Federal level. And the State and Federal levels love to steal the power, and do so on a regular basis.

      You're wrong, cities and counties exist under the sovereignty of the state, they do not have independent authority or existence, as demonstrated by their non-mention in the US Constitution. It recognizes the people, the Federal Government, the Indian Tribes, and the States. Nothing else. Even some state constitutions don't mention cities or counties.

      So, yes, you are correct there isn't one "government. However, the ability of the local, county and state to overrule the feds is diminishing every day.

      It was already zero. Only the people are sovereign over the Constitution Of course, it MIGHT help if the states weren't tending to do things like bitch about perfectly legal tariffs, start rebellions over slavery, defend racial segregation, fail to provide equal protection of the laws, neglect to redistrict their own legislators to accommodate the population, allow lynchings, fight over borders, deport Indian tribes, and otherwise neglect to actually be righteous when they get into conflict with the federal government. At most, I'll grant the occasional action like the sheriffs who started to refuse to serve foreclosures when the paperwork was incomplete, but that's kind of a rare exception.

      And that isn't even getting into what the people have done. Or failed to do.

    11. Re:It shouldn't matter by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Let me know when the Federal Government actually uses "equal protection under the law". Laws are what the rich and powerful use to control us common people (aka Citizens).

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    12. Re:It shouldn't matter by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "That's even IF you assume that his reporting the SQL injection hole stopped anyone else from using it, and it didn't."

      Assuming it didn't is a bold assumption. SQL injections are common and easy to find, someone else finding and using it is inevitable it is simply a question of when. As for using the credentials he obviously didn't do anything harmful with them if he reported it. Most likely he was discovering if they were valid credentials and how serious a vulnerability it was for the organization.

      He crossed a line but the question is if the damage he caused by doing so outweighs the damage that would be caused by a malicious attacker crossing that line. The FBI finds thousands of excuses to cross the same line and then some on claim they are doing good that outweighs the bad. I doubt a jury would think this is criminal and they might well nullify simple unauthorized systems access if the prosecutor chooses to pursue it.

    13. Re:It shouldn't matter by shaitand · · Score: 1

      But he might have needed to establish the scope of the vulnerability so he could determine first if it was serious enough to risk the consequences of reporting it.

    14. Re:It shouldn't matter by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Oh, please. He was getting login credentials for the election supervisor. Those weren't a vulnerability, it was the SQL injection, that he was already using. He knew the scope. He went one step too far.

    15. Re:It shouldn't matter by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Assuming it didn't is a bold assumption.

      It doesn't matter. He wasn't keeping anyone from breaking in when he was busy using the login credentials he obtained. Whether or not his reporting the vulnerability of the SQL injection attack resulted in it being fixed -- three months after he found it, wasn't it? -- his use of the passwords he got to wander around didn't fix anything.

      SQL injections are common and easy to find, someone else finding and using it is inevitable it is simply a question of when.

      Use simple words. How did his use of the election supervisor's login and password to access other, secure areas of the system prevent anyone from using the SQL injection flaw?

      Most likely he was discovering if they were valid credentials

      Yes, he was having fun rummaging through things he shouldn't have access to. He didn't need to find out if the credentials were valid. Using those credentials wasn't a vulnerability he was testing, it was simple unauthorized access. All he had to do was report the SQL issue and say "one of the things I got was a login X with password Y. The election supervisor can verify the validity without him breaking in.

      As for using the credentials he obviously didn't do anything harmful with them if he reported it.

      Now you are making bold assumptions. He could have done quite a bit of damage (downloading private data, e.g.) and then reported it. It was three months, after all.

      He crossed a line but the question is if the damage he caused by doing so outweighs the damage that would be caused by a malicious attacker crossing that line.

      You're stretching things really really thin trying to excuse his violation of the law, here. No, the damage is irrelevant.

    16. Re:It shouldn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me know when the Federal Government actually uses "equal protection under the law". Laws are what the rich and powerful use to control us common people (aka Citizens).

      Sure dude, if you want to call for a lawless anarchy, you do that.

      Don't be a putz and refuse to put your mouth where your shit is.

    17. Re:It shouldn't matter by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      City and county governments don't cede power to the state. The state has all the power not reserved to the Feds by (more or less elastic rulings on) the Constitution, and city and county governments have exactly as much power as state law allows.

      In what way does "highest authority" correspond to elected vs. appointed?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    18. Re:It shouldn't matter by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      How does he know the login credentials are real? And one person can have many real login credentials - how does he know these login credentials can be used to do serious stuff?

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  14. FYPTW by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

    Yay police state!

    Fuck you, pleb, that's why.

  15. For God's sake man! by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Close that parentheses, you're killing me!!

    1. Re:For God's sake man! by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Close that parentheses, you're killing me!!

      Ah, you must be a Lisp programmer. :-P

      --
      If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
    2. Re:For God's sake man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine :-)

    3. Re:For God's sake man! by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      They're opening themselves up to parenthetical injection! DROP SENTENCE WHERE 1=1) --

  16. Wrong way to go about it by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    The correct approach for fixing security issues in a voting system are to elect yourself, then appoint a team of people to correct the issue while funneling you money.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Wrong way to go about it by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to order a huge batch of Ipads and "lose" a bunch of them in the process.

    2. Re:Wrong way to go about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just change the winners name to "You have an SQL injection vulnerability".
      And be done with it.

    3. Re:Wrong way to go about it by zlives · · Score: 1

      you'll continue to win elections, so might have to leave the issue uncorrected and arrest anyone who points the finger... o wait!!!

    4. Re:Wrong way to go about it by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Or you start a write-in campaign for Mr. Robert Drop Tables.

      Obligatory xkcd:
      https://xkcd.com/327/

      --
      Imagine all the people...
  17. For God's sake man by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Close those parentheses, you're killing me!!

    )

  18. Next time, sue the state by TranceThrust · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Security professionals and tech enthusiasts should take note of this technique and apply it in reverse: instead of reporting vulnerabilities to the government institutes who caused them, bring those guys to court. Sue them for unsafely handling the information you entrust them with. Things are not going to get better unless this kind of incompetence can cost someone's head.

  19. News for you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "white hats" are not "the good guys". They want you to believe that, but all they have is self-expressed good intentions, honest. They're also more "ETHICAL" than thou. But as good little consultants making good money with their cute little shtick, they're part of the problem, not part of the solution. Just as the "black hats" are. I prefer the people on the other side of the fence, that have formed a cottage industry with veritable product pipelines, that don't call themselves "hacker" and pose a lot, but actually work for a living. Even if, yes, they're doing very questionable things. At least they're honest about it! The hatted bunch isn't, and is wilfully publicly shifty to boot. Buncha s'kiddies, learning nothing. Worse, they haven't made much of a dent in cyber crime nor in solving security problems in the decades they've been telling us they were trying really hard. They are purveyors of new imperial fabric, nothing more.

    1. Re:News for you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the people running the elections have shown a strong desire to subvert those elections, then they CERTAINLY are not the good guys

      Maybe white-hats are not THE good guys, but they are much less worse than the officials who want us to think that they are good guys

  20. Government, dummy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Government will NEVER give you permission to perform hack/pen tests. They request more tax dollars from you to pay for their own Government hacking teams to tell people what the Government want's them to hear.

    If you didn't already know that, castration is a good option for you.

  21. Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by subanark · · Score: 1

    It's a government agency, so it is kind of redundant to quantify the term money with "tax payer". All it does is push people away from government programs that could improve quality of life.

    It is this kind of attitude that pushes bean counting and attempted cost savings to such an extreme level that it is detrimental. This is why the government is so bad at finding the right organizations to do work for them; they just keep giving out contracts to the lowest bidder. This is why there are so many inefficiencies, they are afraid of spending money on existing projects in the short term to save money in the long term.

    1. Re:Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      so it is kind of redundant to quantify the term money with "tax payer"

      No, it's not. Because a LOT of people seem to think that there actually is something called "government money." Nearly half the country pays no income tax at all, and a large percentage of those get a "tax refund" on the income taxes they don't pay. That flow of money is rarely referred to as "other people's money" - just as tax credit, as earned income credit ... as anything other than a portion of the money that other people pay as taxes. Politicians, especially on the left, talk routinely about how they'll start a new program, or enhance regulatory power, or fund this, or that ... all with a glossy coat of the atmospherics of it being "government money." They say, "It's high time we funded and expansion of NIH's chimpanzee sexuality study..." instead of "It's high time we gathered up some money from the half of the country that pays income taxes, mostly from the minority of that half that pays almost all such taxes, and have them buy an expansion of NIH's ..."

      It is this kind of attitude that pushes bean counting and attempted cost savings to such an extreme level that it is detrimental.

      No, it's this kind of attitude that helps remind people whose money is being spent. That's part of keeping keeping such expenditures reasonable, instead of running up tens of trillions of dollars of debt ... do you really need to hear an explanation as to why that is detrimental?

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    2. Re:Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by subanark · · Score: 1

      "taxpayer money" == "government money". Just because they got it (mostly) from the taxpayers, or that they are expected to use it responsibility, doesn't mean it isn't theirs.

      All I want is to keep it neutral. No qualifiers, just let people make their own judgement. Just because some people might think of it as "government money" vs "taxpayer money" doesn't mean your opinion needs to be hammered in every time the subject is brought up.

    3. Re:Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, if I'm reading your post correctly, you think using the factual statement "tax payer money" isn't neutral? Yours is more biased as it's attempting to hide information and misdirect. If you find a truth an uncomfortable statement and feel it's biased, I think this says more about you than anything else.

    4. Re:Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly half the country pays no income tax at all, and a large percentage of those get a "tax refund" on the income taxes they don't pay.

      How does one get a refund if you pay no taxes?

    5. Re:Must we prepend "tax payer" to money by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Are you aware that there are other taxes than Federal income tax, and that less than half the Fed's revenue comes from the individual income tax?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  22. Isn't Wikileaks still around? by John.Banister · · Score: 2

    When I was thinking about who could pass on this sort of useful information without exposing the source to prosecution, Wikileaks came to mind.

  23. lolol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why I change the voting records every-time I access one of these websites VIA sql injection. And I've accessed quite a few :)

    Remember folks, changing votes is only legal if you run the system.

    Trump 2016!

  24. In other news... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    By that standard, shouldn't this guy be jailed for telling the bank they left their front door unlocked? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015...

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:In other news... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      No. The guy walking into the bank did so innocently, not in a way deliberately trying to bypass any security. Further, when he found nobody there, he called to report it. He didn't start rifling through the manager's desk looking for interesting stuff, and didn't try opening the safe to access any money.

      The main difference is intent, and the secondary difference is what happened once access was gained.

  25. Lee County Supervisor of Elections Should Resign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sharon Harrington should resign. According to this poll run on polldaddy.com by the News Press, 83% of her constituents want her to do so. https://polldaddy.com/poll/893... Why is she still in office? Her office seems to have more and more scandals and controversy to the South West Florida communities of Fort Myers and Cape Coral. Shame! Leave David Levin and his family alone. He just reported a vulnerability he didn't steal any information, he even blurred out passwords when he documented it. Seems like the desperate act of a corrupt politician.

  26. Slanted by Verdatum · · Score: 2

    manishs, did you investigate this one before pushing it up? The more I read about it, the more this all looks like a stunt by Sinclaire. Instead of going through proper channels, this guy went through an opposing candidate, and actively goes above and beyond privately reporting a security flaw; instead publically exposing it on YouTube and going on to actually explore the system once gaining access. All this with no time for the government to fix it. That's not how security evaluators should _ever_ behave. So then he goes to jail, allowing crummy summaries like this one, to effectively say "RAWR, HARRINGTON BAD!!". Harrington did not appear to pursue the arrest. It looks like Sinclair hoped to get an arrest to increase negative exposure on Harrington to help get her voted out. Publishing a summary like this on Slashdot means that these people are effectively playing the editors. The only good thing is that the summary feels so incredibly slanted that it sets off some people's bullshit detectors.

    1. Re:Slanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course she didn't pursue the arrest, she just called her friends at FDLE and gave them an anonymous "tip". That's how corrupt politicians work, by suggestion and innuendo. Did you see that the guy didn't steal any data, he only showed it was possible.

    2. Re:Slanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees this.

    3. Re:Slanted by Sgt-Hugo-Stiglitz · · Score: 1

      The more I read about it, the more this all looks like a stunt by Sinclaire.

      of course it is, David Levin actually lost a election for city council in 2015, so he already has a axe to grind against the current supervisor of elections/county

      The only good thing is that the summary feels so incredibly slanted that it sets off some people's bullshit detectors.

      Have you not seen the go fund me page? people bullshit detectors should be broke at this point.
      I got my suspicions about this "security researcher" , I say that because this guy has no footprint other than the creation of his Vanguard Cybersecurity LLC on 01/14/2016 and a Linkedin page that anyone can bullshit on.
      When you look at legitimate security researchers, they have a very noticeably footprint like https://danielmiessler.com/ or http://www.mckeay.net/ , krebs on security. because the devote there career to this stuff. This guy seems like he did all the "I'm a security researcher" leg work after the hack (after the fact) to try to cover his ass with the "poor whitehat / whistle blower gets arrested unjustly" game. and to that point , Dan Sinclair has definitely been trying to milk that attitude here and else where
      When trying to figure his security background, came across this quote from Sinclair talking about Levin's security experience and the discussion about hacking the elections website the day he was arrested.

      This all started, Sinclair said, when Levin called him in December after taking an online federal course that included some Department of Defense officials and penetration testing of online systems. Levin told him that he could easily get into the Lee elections website.

      I would love to hear the exact name of that course, though Sinclair sounds like a snake oil salesman. it sounds like he did CEH, which is a DoD 8570.01M approved course but not a actually DoD training; you would have to be a DoD Employee or enlisted in the armed services to get gov training.
      If he did take CEH, anywhere in FL, the likelihood of him being in a class with DoD/Armed Forces is really high. The United States Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM) is in the Tampa Area and Jacksonville is home to a deep water port and Naval Station, with a Naval Sub base just over the state line to the north. In General, anyone who can pay the cost of the EC-Council class, then they can sit for a CEH Exam and potentially pass the test.

      http://www.news-press.com/stor...

      after watching/reading this article its sound like David "political consultant" Levin came to Sinclair with a offer he couldn't refuse and David "security researcher" Levin was born when he stole the keys to the castle per se for political gain without the express consent of the elections office (State or Local). The one thing no one is really pointing out is he also accessed the State Election System as well, i wonder if he used the credentials he stole from Lee Co Elections and masqueraded as a Lee Co Official on the State Elections Website.

  27. Pardon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this action of his pardon worthy? Yes, what he did is illegal, so maybe they should prosecute him, however, it's absolutely in the public interest to discover and repair this kind of vulnerability.

    Because if he doesn't blow the whistle ASAP, might it happen that someone else hacks in, gains control, and then closes the security hole after themselves, thus allowing themselves COMPLETE control of the election process?

    Yet it was illegal.

  28. Found the key under the door mat, then USED it by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Imagine if someone found the key to a government building under the door mat. That's clearly a major security lapse.

    Imagine if they next USED that key to enter the building on a weekend and rummaged through the offices inside. That's second-degree burglary.

    This guy found a way to retrieve the admin password (key), and should have stopped there. He could have just said "hey look, the admin password is exposed". Instead, he USED the admin password to log in and rummage around. I've been doing network security for twenty years. I've never seen any reason to do that. Showing that the password (or key) is available to bad guys is more than sufficient.

  29. Honeypots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way I see it; this would to some degree seem like a honeypot that someone stumbled upon unknowingly that was used to snare those coming across with good intentions of reporting vulnerabilities. This is why I do not pen test a network unless it's my own, or if it's a company i have explicit permissions with a paycheck to do so.

    The whole good samaritan thing on the internet these days is not worth the legal hassle, or the possible bad publicity.

  30. Honeypots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would seem more like someone poking around on a companies website looking for vulnerabilities, and instead unknowingly stumbling upon a would-be honeypot. This is why if you are not explicitly working with that company to pen test their network; this instantly sets someone up for failure regardless of the intentions.

  31. UK Press by DarkFlite · · Score: 1

    Why do we have to read about this kind of abuse on (the very good Register) in the UK? Why don't stories like this get domestic airtime?

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    -In space, it is very hard to rig lights.
    1. Re:UK Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know by now? US press is controlled by ...... Same way that UK press is controlled by Rupert Murdoch

      Perfect examples: Look for "Newsweek" or "Time Magazine".... And compare the US edition vs the International edition. Or even on the web, go to the US version of CNN.com and the international version of CNN.... Many times you will find the same articles by the same authors but with completely different slants on the stories.... Most of the time the content for US audiences is different (or may I say "dumbed down").....

  32. and how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you know the key actually works?

    Oh, you have to actually LOG IN.

    Unless you're the admin who knows the password, that's the only way for an outsider to know.

    But wait? How do you know this is an ADMIN password and not just an ordinary user password?

    OH. You have to check out admin functions while being logged in.

    Can't believe a 20 year security guy couldn't figure out this simple fact.

    Imagine he "apparently" found an admin password, went to the authorities and reported this, and could not log in with it. They'd nail him for a false report.

    Or maybe the password worked but it wasn't an admin (but a limited user) password. Same thing.

  33. Rule one by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    Don't become Randal Schwartz.

    1. Re:Rule one by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Ah, good old Randal. I recalled him when I read this story. I still have a Perl t-shirt signed by him from LISA '96.

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      -- I have a private email server in my basement.
  34. summary wrong by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    He was arrested for hacking into the website and taking data, he was not arrested for reporting the vulnerability. though some may argue they are related he had no right or approval to hack the site and certainly no approval to take information from it after hacking it. If you are going to test a website for vulnerabilities as a security researcher you need to have the owners approval.

  35. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy breached the website, gained password access and then repeatedly accessed the site unauthorized. Then he showed teh site owners what he could do and they, naturally, shit a brick and had him arrested.

    He's been convicted of hacking the supervisor of elections system, not pointing out lax security.

    The douche-nozzle got exactly what he deserved.

  36. thats why the number of attacks are increasing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone report an issue if you can get jailed for it?

    Reminds me of an ISP in Amarillo, TX that got majorly hacked almost 10 years ago. They managed to pin the hack on a white hat that had informed them of various other vulnerabilities on their system since "the hacker was the only ones that knew about it (the vulnerability) and had the expertise to pull it off"...

  37. Try rummaging govt office. Open records process by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Try rummaging through physical records in physical offices with a stolen key, then try that defense and tell me how it works .

    Beause the government is supposed to be "of the people", we have rhw open records laws which establish a procedure for anyone to access government information, using a proper process ratified by the voterd and their representatives. "Hack government systems ,then use stolen passwords to access related systems " isn't the process that we the people have agreed upon.

    1. Re:Try rummaging govt office. Open records process by terjeber · · Score: 1

      isn't the process that we the people have agreed upon

      Actually, it is. We have long since established that civil disobedience is a valid form of political activity. So, we have in fact agreed upon that process.

  38. Ban Florida! by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the European Union, as well as other groups could post a travel warning for Florida. Social conditions, the Florida legal system, jail conditions and a backward sociopathic governor combine to create a place somewhat dangerous to visitors. Palm Beach county, in particular, is a devil in the flesh. First, they made it illegal to feed the poor. Then they shut down a church that allowed the homeless a place to sleep. Then their county sheriff ran an exhaustive string of TV ads instructing the public never to give spare change to the poor but to send that money to the county who would take care of the poor, which is a huge lie. Then, in their ever evil minds they decided to bomb the public park wit loud operas from dusk to dawn to keep the poor from sleeping in the park. That park is important for the poor as it is on the water, with a breeze, that helps to blow away the swarms of tropical mosquitos as well as preventing heat exhaustion in our very hot climate. Essentially it is the pigeon theory applied to humans. Don't feed them as more will come. Destroy their nests and they will go elsewhere. Harras them so they will be unhappy here. Only a county is a state with an evil, corrupt governor like Rick Scott could have these kinds of issues and decent people from foreign lands deserve to be protected from this type of system. After all, we might have to arrest a European for giving food to a starving child in the streets. Then that European might end up in a Florida jail with 20 people in a cramped cell and no air conditioning.

  39. Re:Lee County Supervisor of Elections Should Resig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right. Good thing this isn't political at all.

  40. See something, don't say something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the real lesson of stories like these.

    I have seen countless shitty things at my Fortune 1000 cube farm - will never report any of them.

  41. /. needs to dump the goddamn SJWs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we get someone who isn't a moron to choose the articles, please?

  42. Re: Touch screen voting machines. by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, I'm sure they would have been totally on board with being hacked if he had asked.

    This is democracy at stake here, we can't afford to let some incompetent and potentially corrupt officials dictate the terms. Nothing less than the next President of the US is at stake here. It is absolutely in the countries best interest for these sorts of vulnerabilities to be discovered and patched before the election, otherwise you can never trust the election. I don't care that it hurt their feelings that their system was wide open to attack and practically begging for someone to manipulate the vote, this needs to be fixed before November.

    The place to start is to get rid of all of the touch screen voting machines that don't produce a verifiable paper trail. How is it possible to ever trust such a machine?

  43. A little clarity by DanForSupervisor · · Score: 2

    It seems my first post disappeared for some reason. Thank you so much for your great article above. Most of your posts have been fantastic. A see a very few who are a little misguided. I hope the following information helps: There was no “break[ing] into an account” as Sharon Harrington states. Sharon left the door open. Dave was driving by and saw the door had been left open by his neighbor renting the house, Sharon. He knew the person who left the door open would call the police and pretend that Dave somehow opened the door. So, he called a neighbor who understands doors and could confirm that, yes, the door in fact was left wide open. He wanted a witness, in case the person who was renting the house lied to the police. The neighbor he called, Dan, called the renter and informed her she left her door wide open. The renter couldn’t be bothered to call Dan back, ever. Instead, she called her door repair guy to call Dan back. This door guy works full time for the renter and was actually the one who left the door open to begin with. Dan and Dave had to explain repeatedly to the door guy: a. That the door was left open b. What door it was on the house c. How to close the door d. How to secure the door, so this did not happen again e. That they were lucky a burglar did not see the open door and steal anything or vandalize the house before Dave saw the open door and Dan reported it *BREAK* 1. No one was "caught." The issues were reported by Dave. In fact neither the county nor the state could tell if they had EVER had a data breach. The state was very clear about that. 2. Dave stopped as soon as he proved the holes were real. There was no rummaging around inside someone else's system. He did not take any information, either. 3. Dave never perused around the system. He simply logged in once to show the holes were real, not a honeypot. As soon as he proved his point, he backed out and never entered again. 4. None of the information was released to the public until AFTER Dave helped them fix the holes, and the systems were claimed to be secure. 5. Dave not only reported the holes, he showed them how to find the holes. After explaining where the holes were, they still could not find them. So, he showed them how to fix the holes and gave them Best Practices going forward. The state asked for a written report, which he provided. They gave him permission to go into the system. When Dave found they did not even have the most basic tools to detect intruders, he provided them with those software tools. 6. The FDLE did not actually investigate. They just tried to find a law they felt Dave broke (which is not an applicable law in this case), and tried to figure out how to nail him on it. They reported the current Supervisor's claims as fact without investigating. The claims turned out to be false. The FDLE did not put a real IT person on the case and STILL does not understand what happened or how it happened. The only dates they used they received from Dave and I, in cooperating into the investigation of why the holes were left there for years to begin with. The investigation is supposed to be into the Gross Negligence of the state and county. However, the FDLE is allowing themselves to be used as political pawns by a corrupt politician. *BREAK* There is a synopsis at: www.gofundme.com/237czxgc You can find more videos and information at www.Facebook.com/DanForSupervisor Also, there is a list at www.DanSinclair.com/supervisornews.htm The site is ugly and boring. However, the facts are accurate. I see on here some posts that appear to be from one of the two under qualified IT guys for the agency that was responsible for protecting the systems, and did not. FYI, the IT person responsible used a password of 1234. I can tell you now as it has been changed. That gives you an idea of the problem we are dealing with here. All of the UserID's and Passwords they left exposed to the public facing interface were in clear text and part of the primary database. There are a L

  44. David Levin's Defense Fund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A site has been setup for donations to David Levin's Defense Fund: https://www.gofundme.com/237czxgc , there is also more information regarding how David tried to report the holes to county and state officials and they decided to "kill the messenger".

    1. Re:David Levin's Defense Fund by rootmon · · Score: 1

      Please mod this up and get the word out about the link to donate to Hero David Levin's Legal Defense. The gofundme site goes into more detail about everything he did to try and inform people before he went public and made the video.

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      "As flies to the wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for sport." - William Shakespeare, King Lear
  45. Intresting then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like they didn't address the vulnerability though so ..........

  46. The Emperor's New Clothes by niftymitch · · Score: 1

    When laws enforce arrogance... we have a problem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Write polite letters.

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    Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
  47. LOL. New Slashdot account because - first post by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That's funny. I actually had an older Slashdot account, then in 2012 I made a new one. My very first post under this account includes a hint as to why I made a new account.

    1. Re: LOL. New Slashdot account because - first post by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      That's great busy. I'll run right off and hack slashdot to look in their database to try to see your "hint"

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  48. Like this? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > I'll run right off and hack slashdot to look in their database to try to see your "hint"

    Like this?:
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    User: Zero__Kelvin
    Post ID: 25843231
    Subject: Re:So what powers does the IETF have on this?
    Score 0, Flamebait
    Date:Thursday November 20, 2008 @09:39PM
    Thread: Kaminsky Bug Options Include "Do Nothing," Says IETF
    Body:
    "you need to work on your reading comprehension skills."

    "ROTFLMAO. You might want to hone your writing skills to the point where you know how and where to use C apital letters :-)

    You are quite mistaken as well. I was able to comprehend the fact that you are not particularly smart without having to read a single complete sentence!
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    Kinda funny, between the two of us, our Slashdot posts are enough to fill a 320 page book.

    You seem to be representing yourself as quite the accomplished security professional in your replies to Martin.

    1. Re: Like this? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I am representing myself as what I am, to wit a highly accomplished high technology expert with over 30 years in the field, with just one of many of those domains being security. Right now I'm too busy fixing the broken Kali build for Beaglebone Black to be bothered writing scripts to query Slashdot. You just demonstrated that you are one level above a script kiddie. I'd that really all you've got? If so colour me incredibly unimpressed.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun