All derivatives of GPL'd works must be licensed under the GPL exclusively.
"Where does the GPL state this? I don't even see the work exclusive or exclusively in the GPL. How can you explain mozilla code being licensed under multiple licenses?"
Sorry, I was unclear. I was assuming that (1) the person making the derivative was not the original copyright holder and (2) that the software in question was licensed exclusively under the GPL.
Only the original copyright holder can institute dual licensing, and derivatives of dual licensed works must follow the terms of one or both licenses.
"Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying that licensing a derivitive work under a non-GPL license gives anyone any extra priviliges, but that is only because copying or distribution of the derivitive work almost always constitutes a direct infringement of the original work."
You don't need to license something unless you distribute it.
"Are you telling me that the copyright holder of a derivitive work is not allowed to license his own work under any license he wishes?"
Yes. You are missing section a of 103, which says that usage of a derivative work must be lawful, meaning it must be authorized by the original copyright holder. In the case of the GPL, this means that the copyright holder of the derivative can't distribute it except under the terms of the GPL.
"but I see no mention that that license must be exclusively given."
The derivative writer has no right to distribute her derivative at all unless the original copyright holder consents. The only consent given by the original copyright holder is the GPL (usually, except in dual licensing situations).
"In fact, the GPL specifically states that "If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works." which is precisely what I am saying."
No, it's precisely irrelevent -- these independent sections are not derivative works, so section 103 doesn't apply to them.
"I don't think people would've built all the wonderful new OSes (and jump-started moribund BSD back to life) if the dominant OS wasn't overpriced, amorally marketed, and basically lame."
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Monopolies Create Competition
Just as with the GPL, the creator of the derivative work can license it to anyone under any license, as long as s/he also licenses it under the "whatever I call my license"
All derivatives of GPL'd works must be licensed under the GPL exclusively.
We plan to have low-level building blocks, with high-level facades. So, once you've built a brick wall, it will be represented as a "wall of bricks", not "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick"....
Likewise, you won't direct your character "put a brick here, and another one there, and another there." You'll give her a blueprint, and she will decide where the bricks go.
Also, bricks aren't quarried.:)
Worldforge isn't pacifist (in its gaming), it's anti-Hack-And-Slash. That means that we don't consider combat the first priority, but we do plan to implement it. Since building a MMORPG is such a huge task, we're building in stages: first a simple game to just get the base technology in place (Acorn, completed), then a game to get more complex entities, servers, and physics (Mason), and then more games, which will eventually include combat.
Questions? Find me online: novalis on irc.worldforge.org, #lounge. We like newbies.
P.S. to Chris: I don't remember you being involved with WF, but we would love to have you -- I've always admired your Slashdot posts.
Sure: Consider a binary format with sync markers or some sort. GIF has "restart markers", which clear the LZW dict. So, a bad character could screw up a few pixels, or at worst, a few lines, but once a restart marker was found, it would be fixed.
Excerpt:
"The intermediate copies made and used by Connectix during the course of its reverse engineering of the Sony BIOS were protected fair use, necessary to permit Connectix to make its non-infringing Virtual Game Station function with PlayStation games. Any other intermediate copies made by Connectix do not support injunctive relief, even if those copies were infringing.
The district court also found that Sony is likely to prevail on its claim that Connectix's sale of the Virtual Game Station program tarnishes the Sony PlayStation mark under 15 U.S.C. 1125. We reverse that ruling as well.
It was in _Man Plus_, by Frederic Pohl. Except that he fucked it up - he ended up suggesting that you could have three bits without having at least two agree.
US citizens have the right to hear him and make up their own minds. Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission was the first case to affirm this.
Also, the US signed the UN Charter, which require Free Speech rights for everyone.
But I understand that any time I receive any piece of unsolicited email it is because *I* supplied my email address to the spammer - either directly or indirectly.
No, some spammers will try brute force attacks, going after common names, or just trying every string under N characters.
How do you think that women in the workplace feel when they get "Cum slurping coeds hot for you!" e-mail just because they answer the mail for sales@companyname.com
And you think men feel any better? Nobody likes porn spam.
You don't need a client-server architecture achieve remote usage. There's a program on Windows
called Citrix ICA. It allows you to run programs remotely.
And you think that's not a client-server architecture? Um, then what is it?
That's why I said "Think Again", and linked to an article about all the failed companies George W. Bush managed, and how he kept getting good severence packages and cushy new jobs. You should have replied to the original poster, not me.
"... the corporation that writes the software is motivated to eliminate bugs..."
Why?
You have to pay for the software whether or not M$ has fixed enough bugs this month. Because you are locked into the file format, you have to keep paying. You can't refuse to upgrade until Microsoft fixes enough bugs - you're stuck.
AIDS via mail is not a threat - the virus is not hardy enough to survive outside the body for very long, and it can only be transmitted through bodily fluids.
Slashdot Mirror
All derivatives of GPL'd works must be licensed under the GPL exclusively.
"Where does the GPL state this? I don't even see the work exclusive or exclusively in the GPL. How can you explain mozilla code being licensed under multiple licenses?"
Sorry, I was unclear. I was assuming that (1) the person making the derivative was not the original copyright holder and (2) that the software in question was licensed exclusively under the GPL.
Only the original copyright holder can institute dual licensing, and derivatives of dual licensed works must follow the terms of one or both licenses.
"Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying that licensing a derivitive work under a non-GPL license gives anyone any extra priviliges, but that is only because copying or distribution of the derivitive work almost always constitutes a direct infringement of the original work."
You don't need to license something unless you distribute it.
"Are you telling me that the copyright holder of a derivitive work is not allowed to license his own work under any license he wishes?"
Yes. You are missing section a of 103, which says that usage of a derivative work must be lawful, meaning it must be authorized by the original copyright holder. In the case of the GPL, this means that the copyright holder of the derivative can't distribute it except under the terms of the GPL.
"but I see no mention that that license must be exclusively given."
The derivative writer has no right to distribute her derivative at all unless the original copyright holder consents. The only consent given by the original copyright holder is the GPL (usually, except in dual licensing situations).
"In fact, the GPL specifically states that "If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works." which is precisely what I am saying."
No, it's precisely irrelevent -- these independent sections are not derivative works, so section 103 doesn't apply to them.
"I don't think people would've built all the wonderful new OSes (and jump-started moribund BSD back to life) if the dominant OS wasn't overpriced, amorally marketed, and basically lame."
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Monopolies Create Competition
Just as with the GPL, the creator of the derivative work can license it to anyone under any license, as long as s/he also licenses it under the "whatever I call my license"
All derivatives of GPL'd works must be licensed under the GPL exclusively.
We plan to have low-level building blocks, with high-level facades. So, once you've built a brick wall, it will be represented as a "wall of bricks", not "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick", "a brick"....
:)
Likewise, you won't direct your character "put a brick here, and another one there, and another there." You'll give her a blueprint, and she will decide where the bricks go.
Also, bricks aren't quarried.
Worldforge isn't pacifist (in its gaming), it's anti-Hack-And-Slash. That means that we don't consider combat the first priority, but we do plan to implement it. Since building a MMORPG is such a huge task, we're building in stages: first a simple game to just get the base technology in place (Acorn, completed), then a game to get more complex entities, servers, and physics (Mason), and then more games, which will eventually include combat.
Questions? Find me online: novalis on irc.worldforge.org, #lounge. We like newbies.
P.S. to Chris: I don't remember you being involved with WF, but we would love to have you -- I've always admired your Slashdot posts.
I have heard reports that WinME would corrupt registries unrecoverably, so maybe it doesn't do that.
I was just pointing out that binary and robust are not mutually exclusive.
Sure: Consider a binary format with sync markers or some sort. GIF has "restart markers", which clear the LZW dict. So, a bad character could screw up a few pixels, or at worst, a few lines, but once a restart marker was found, it would be fixed.
I'm reading a scary and gruesome book right now: Perdido Street Station.
It's got technology, magic, fearsome creatures, true love, betrayal, and tons of grime, dirt, slime, and bodily fluids. Highly recommended.
Just look at what happens to things like playstation emulators!
They win in court .
Excerpt:
"The intermediate copies made and used by Connectix during the course of its reverse engineering of the Sony BIOS were protected fair use, necessary to permit Connectix to make its non-infringing Virtual Game Station function with PlayStation games. Any other intermediate copies made by Connectix do not support injunctive relief, even if those copies were infringing.
The district court also found that Sony is likely to prevail on its claim that Connectix's sale of the Virtual Game Station program tarnishes the Sony PlayStation mark under 15 U.S.C. 1125. We reverse that ruling as well.
It was in _Man Plus_, by Frederic Pohl. Except that he fucked it up - he ended up suggesting that you could have three bits without having at least two agree.
Wine is not under the GPL. It is under a permissive non-copyleft Free Software license. See here for details.
Nobody has the right to be on TV, but the government doesn't have the right to tell tv stations what not to show. See the difference?
How could you complain about an abuse of national sovereignty when we chose, as a nation, to sign this treaty?
US citizens have the right to hear him and make up their own minds. Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission was the first case to affirm this.
Also, the US signed the UN Charter, which require Free Speech rights for everyone.
Korematsu was overturned in 1983, by the judge now presiding over the Napster case.
But I understand that any time I receive any piece of unsolicited email it is because *I* supplied my email address to the spammer - either directly or indirectly.
No, some spammers will try brute force attacks, going after common names, or just trying every string under N characters.
How do you think that women in the workplace feel when they get "Cum slurping coeds hot for you!" e-mail just because they answer the mail for sales@companyname.com
And you think men feel any better? Nobody likes porn spam.
You don't need a client-server architecture achieve remote usage. There's a program on Windows
called Citrix ICA. It allows you to run programs remotely.
And you think that's not a client-server architecture? Um, then what is it?
That's why I said "Think Again", and linked to an article about all the failed companies George W. Bush managed, and how he kept getting good severence packages and cushy new jobs. You should have replied to the original poster, not me.
"When someone in the private sector wastes his
company's or his investors' money, he doesn't usually get the chance to repeat the process. "
Think again
"... the corporation that writes the software is motivated to eliminate bugs ..."
Why?
You have to pay for the software whether or not M$ has fixed enough bugs this month. Because you are locked into the file format, you have to keep paying. You can't refuse to upgrade until Microsoft fixes enough bugs - you're stuck.
He made over $80,000 US on a single short story. You're going to tell me that's not sucessful?
Sure - it's a famous case: Hard Rock
Cafe Licensing Corp. v. Concession Services, Inc., 955 F.2d 1143 (7th Cir. 1992)
People sell HRC shirts that they have printed, and HRC gets no money. If the shirts are poor quality, HRC's reputation suffers.
AIDS via mail is not a threat - the virus is not hardy enough to survive outside the body for very long, and it can only be transmitted through bodily fluids.
"I think you mean that the only way to eliminate the risk is not to drive"
No. Pedestrians get hit and killed by cars all the time.
Lets see-- just over 10 people per day die in automobile crashes..
Um, over 100 people a day die in car crashes, in the US alone.
Source:
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/