" So how much money would an artist make if there was no copyright protection on his work? Answer: approximately US$0.00. There would be no economic incentive for anyone to pay for music that they could obtain for free. "
Before copyright, artists didn't starve. After copyright, artists still won't starve. You assume that controlling data is the only way to make money off of it. The Free Software movement shows that that's not true.
Second, I have to pay for music.
"Poor poor pitiful you. You do not realize that there are costs associated with creating music? You do not think that music creators have a right to be compensated for the expenses associated with making music? You think you have some sort of fundamental right to free and unlimited access to music created by others?"
I do feel that I have a fundamental right to any piece of non-private (not personal / financial) data, yes. Because data costs essencially nothing to transmit. So denying it to me is creating artificial scarcity. And that's bullshit, becuase we have too much real scarcity.
" http://www.gnu.org/philosophy Richard Stallman is hopefully not so blind as to fail to realize that it is copyright that gives his GPL any force whatsoever. Remove copyright from GPL'ed software and what do you have? You have software that can be made proprietary by anyone who wishes to do so. If you GPL your software, you had better realize this fact. If you do realize this fact, then you need to abandon the hypocrisy of opposing copyright on music."
The GPL is somewhat of a paradox - but I think you'll agree that RMS believes that in an ideal world, all software would be Free.
"Lastly, unless I'm quite mistaken Mr. Stallman is NOT opposed to the idea of paying for software. He simply wants access to the code. So I really don't think you can go looking to the FSF for a defense of abandoning copyright OR "free music."
um, you must be consfusing Free software with Open Source. (thanks a million, ESR). He believes that if you have a copy of a piece of software, you should be able to share it with your friend, which was the * original* point of this discussion anyway. Next time, actually *read* the link. You might learn something.
um, MMX is also x86 SIMD. It's not floating point, tho... and neither of KNI or 3DNOW are clones of the other... Vector processors have been around for a while.
Oh, and KNI is 128 bit, while 3d NOW is 64 bit - in this case, twice as many bits is twice as fast.
Why do I think (C) is the wrong way to do things? Because it doesn't work. It doesn't work on 2 levels: first, ARTISTS CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. Second, I have to pay for music.
One is an agreement, the other is violation of the implicit agreement, "Hey, if you want to listen to my music, pay me some money." <P> The *implicit agreement*... I don't recall signing that one... <P> There's a lot og assumptions there, assumptions I don't necessarally agree with... some of them don't have basis in law, and some of them don't have basis in morallity. I guess the big issue is "my music." That implies that you own it, which simply isn't true. You are "granted a temporary monopoly." That's a big difference. Of course, the law has gotten so fucked around that it's not temporary anymore, but there's a supreme court case pending on that, so we'll see... <P> Perhaps we need an implicit agreement that doesn't suck. One where artists get paid more than 5 cents per CD, and where I get music for free. It's possible - we just need to work for it.<BR><BR>
16 awake hrs / day * 60 mins / hr / 5 mins / song * 365 days / year * 1 cent ~= $650 / year for music... That's about 40 CDs I *know* I don't buy 40 CDs per year.
I have written several windowmaker dockapps under the GPL, and I am currently working with a major Free game effort. So I do contribute. BTW, I admit that the comment was vaguely inflammatory, but I do think that/. should focus more on small Free projects. Let Blizzard do their own PR. As for why I believe all software should be free, well, see www.gnu.orr/philosophy. RMS can explain it much better than I can.
Your goal is to get your school to be aware of something. Think about the events of the last year. What cause schools to change the most? I'm thinking of an event on April 20, 1999.
That's right, COLUMBINE.
Here is the plan:
1. Acquire weapons training from ESR. If you're like me, he's just a short train ride away from your high school. If you are unlucky and live in Arizona or something, find some other weapons geek.
2. Acquire guns. The very anti-gun L.A. Times ironically will tell you how to do this: gun shows.
3. Acquire trenchcoat. I recommend the Burlington Coat Factory.
4. Do not fire until you see the whites of their eyes. Remember to ask at least one person is she believes that RMS is her personal savior. If the answer is no, shoot her. If the answer is yes, shoot her anyway. Larry Wall is really her personal savior.
5. Shoot yourself. Because if you really think that you can change the world for the better this way, you're dumber than your teachers, and more evil than Bill Gates.
nah, even software hoarders are free to use gpl software - the can modify it, share the source, etc - what they want, but can't have, is the right to distribute binaries without source. Your complaint is invalid - try reading the GPL some time.
no! it's chutzpah, not hypocracy! you've abused the classic chutzpah example (the orphan example) as an example of hypocracy. the menendez brothers are irrelevant to the issue - you want "it's the pot calling the kettle black," or "the mpaa suing the government for passing anti-free-speech laws."
If I'm a kid, I can go to the library and read Slow River, or any other book about sex that I like. No one but my parent will stop me. Even if I want to check it out and take it home. Why should it be any different for the net?
Wow! moderation sucks! after the first rush, nothing, even totally inane things like I wrote above, gets ignored. I have no idea what I was smoking when I wrote that. <BR><BR>
60% of LinuxOne users would choose LinuxOne again; the other 2 have already been eliminated.
90% of Americans, when confronted with recordings of their conversations think that the NSA is doing an excellent job.<BR><BR> 77% of gays in the military think that Don't ask, Don't tell protects their privacy; they have been dismissed.<BR><BR> 95% of slashdotters have never actually seen hot grits <BR><BR> Surveys brought to you by MindFuckCraft and associates; funding by Micro-VA-AndoverLinuxSoftOne <BR><BR>
It's all about freedom. The night I found gnu.org, I changed forever. I sat for hours, reading the philosophy section. And the next day, I started installing Debian. It's not about a bandwagon. It's about choice, and freedom. That's why I use Linux, and that's why I think many others do.
When you woke up this morning everything you had was gone. By half past ten your head was going ding-dong. Ringing like a bell from your head down to your toes, like a voice telling you there was something you should know. Last night you were flying but today you're so low - ain't it times like these that make you wonder if you'll ever know the meaning of things as they appear to the others; wives, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers. Don't you wish you didn't function, wish you didn't think beyond the next paycheck and the next little drink? Well you do so make up your mind to go on, `cos when you woke up this morning everything you had was gone.
I started a project a while back which used swing for its gui. It had graphics, 640x480. and it ran at about 15 fps on the fastest machine I tried it on (PIII 550 running Windows). Nothing fancy. Not quake. Red and blue dots on a black background. Nothing I could do would make it go faster. So I scrapped the project. Don't try swing if you need anything graphical other than buttons.
Somehow I doubt breaking this law would disrupt the orderly working of society. And look at what civil disobedience has got us in the past... Rosa Parks, Ghandi, DeCSS, etc.
RMS didn't accept stock options from RH or VA. RMS wrote GCC, Emacs, and many of the major shell utilities. ESR wrote a compiler for an joke language, and fetchmail. ESR isn't a bad guy, but RMS has clearly contributed a good deal to the community.
Stallman has talked about this before. It's a serious issue that must be fought, tooth and nail, with lobbying and with civil disobedience, if necessary.
Many people are going to say that RMS is a crackpot or a communist. If he were a crackpot, he would talk for hours about this stuff, but never produce anything. Instead, he's slaved over keyboards for years, destroying his wrists to build free software for all of us to share.
Some people here have never actually read anything by RMS, and they don't understand why he, and many others, think that proprietary software is bad. I recommend http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html as a starting place.
... is kinda like registering guns. The only reason for registration is so that they can take it away later. Now, we all agree that the world would be a better place if no one had guns and if encryption was only used for good things. But life sucks, and so no one gets my PGP until they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
BTW, http://novalis.dorm.reed.edu/sekrit is my deCSS mirror
It is possible to know certain laws without being a lawyer. I aced my HS law class without cracking a book. Not because I'm smart, but because both my parents are lawyers. I picked it up through 17 years of hanging around them.
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" So how much money would an artist make if there was no copyright protection on
his work? Answer: approximately US$0.00. There would be no economic incentive
for anyone to pay for music that they could obtain for free. "
Before copyright, artists didn't starve. After copyright, artists still won't starve. You assume that controlling data is the only way to make money off of it. The Free Software movement shows that that's not true.
Second, I have to pay for music.
"Poor poor pitiful you. You do not realize that there are costs associated with
creating music? You do not think that music creators have a right to be
compensated for the expenses associated with making music? You think you
have some sort of fundamental right to free and unlimited access to music created
by others?"
I do feel that I have a fundamental right to any piece of non-private (not personal / financial) data, yes. Because data costs essencially nothing to transmit. So denying it to me is creating artificial scarcity. And that's bullshit, becuase we have too much real scarcity.
"
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy
Richard Stallman is hopefully not so blind as to fail to realize that it is copyright
that gives his GPL any force whatsoever. Remove copyright from GPL'ed
software and what do you have? You have software that can be made proprietary
by anyone who wishes to do so. If you GPL your software, you had better realize
this fact. If you do realize this fact, then you need to abandon the hypocrisy of
opposing copyright on music."
The GPL is somewhat of a paradox - but I think you'll agree that RMS believes that in an ideal world, all software would be Free.
"Lastly, unless I'm quite mistaken Mr. Stallman is NOT opposed to the idea of
paying for software. He simply wants access to the code. So I really don't think
you can go looking to the FSF for a defense of abandoning copyright OR "free
music."
um, you must be consfusing Free software with Open Source. (thanks a million, ESR). He believes that if you have a copy of a piece of software, you should be able to share it with your friend, which was the * original* point of this discussion anyway. Next time, actually *read* the link. You might learn something.
um, MMX is also x86 SIMD. It's not floating point, tho... and neither of KNI or 3DNOW are clones of the other... Vector processors have been around for a while.
Oh, and KNI is 128 bit, while 3d NOW is 64 bit - in this case, twice as many bits is twice as fast.
I suspect I'm being trolled, but....
Why do I think (C) is the wrong way to do things? Because it doesn't work. It doesn't work on 2 levels: first, ARTISTS CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. Second, I have to pay for music.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy
has a detailed discussion.
One is an agreement, the other is violation of the implicit agreement, "Hey, if you want to listen to my music, pay me some money." ... I don't recall signing that one...
<P>
The *implicit agreement*
<P>
There's a lot og assumptions there, assumptions I don't necessarally agree with... some of them don't have basis in law, and some of them don't have basis in morallity. I guess the big issue is "my music." That implies that you own it, which simply isn't true. You are "granted a temporary monopoly." That's a big difference. Of course, the law has gotten so fucked around that it's not temporary anymore, but there's a supreme court case pending on that, so we'll see...
<P>
Perhaps we need an implicit agreement that doesn't suck. One where artists get paid more than 5 cents per CD, and where I get music for free. It's possible - we just need to work for it.<BR><BR>
16 awake hrs / day * 60 mins / hr / 5 mins / song * 365 days / year * 1 cent ~= $650 / year for music... That's about 40 CDs I *know* I don't buy 40 CDs per year.
I have written several windowmaker dockapps under the GPL, and I am currently working with a major Free game effort. So I do contribute. BTW, I admit that the comment was vaguely inflammatory, but I do think that /. should focus more on small Free projects. Let Blizzard do their own PR. As for why I believe all software should be free, well, see www.gnu.orr/philosophy. RMS can explain it much better than I can.
http://www.reed.edu/~turnerd/cyberpatrol.tar.gz
1. That really silly RFC on the naming of hosts....
/. which is even more content-free than .com.<BR><BR>
2. What kind of name is slashdot? it reduces to
the correct fomula is in the subject... but it sucks... 'cause it converges really slowly.
That's right, COLUMBINE.
Here is the plan:
1. Acquire weapons training from ESR. If you're like me, he's just a short train ride away from your high school. If you are unlucky and live in Arizona or something, find some other weapons geek.
2. Acquire guns. The very anti-gun L.A. Times ironically will tell you how to do this: gun shows.
3. Acquire trenchcoat. I recommend the Burlington Coat Factory.
4. Do not fire until you see the whites of their eyes. Remember to ask at least one person is she believes that RMS is her personal savior. If the answer is no, shoot her. If the answer is yes, shoot her anyway. Larry Wall is really her personal savior.
5. Shoot yourself. Because if you really think that you can change the world for the better this way, you're dumber than your teachers, and more evil than Bill Gates.
6. Jon Katz article, duh
nah, even software hoarders are free to use gpl software - the can modify it, share the source, etc - what they want, but can't have, is the right to distribute binaries without source. Your complaint is invalid - try reading the GPL some time.
no! it's chutzpah, not hypocracy! you've abused the classic chutzpah example (the orphan example) as an example of hypocracy. the menendez brothers are irrelevant to the issue - you want "it's the pot calling the kettle black," or "the mpaa suing the government for passing anti-free-speech laws."
They actually tried to enforce the no-reverse-engineering clause of their EULA. several RE sites for starcraft were shut down.
If I'm a kid, I can go to the library and read Slow River, or any other book about sex that I like. No one but my parent will stop me. Even if I want to check it out and take it home. Why should it be any different for the net?
Wow! moderation sucks! after the first rush, nothing, even totally inane things like I wrote above, gets ignored. I have no idea what I was smoking when I wrote that.
<BR><BR>
60% of LinuxOne users would choose LinuxOne again; the other 2 have already been eliminated.
90% of Americans, when confronted with recordings of their conversations think that the NSA is doing an excellent job.<BR><BR>
77% of gays in the military think that Don't ask, Don't tell protects their privacy; they have been dismissed.<BR><BR>
95% of slashdotters have never actually seen hot grits
<BR><BR>
Surveys brought to you by MindFuckCraft and associates; funding by Micro-VA-AndoverLinuxSoftOne
<BR><BR>
It's all about freedom. The night I found gnu.org, I changed forever. I sat for hours, reading the philosophy section. And the next day, I started installing Debian. It's not about a bandwagon. It's about choice, and freedom. That's why I use Linux, and that's why I think many others do.
When you woke up this morning everything you had was gone. By half past ten your head was going ding-dong. Ringing like a bell from your head down to your toes, like a voice telling you there was something you should know. Last night you were flying but today you're so low - ain't it times like these that make you wonder if you'll ever know the meaning of things as they appear to the others; wives, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers. Don't you wish you didn't function, wish you didn't think beyond the next paycheck and the next little drink? Well you do so make up your mind to go on, `cos when you woke up this morning everything you had was gone.
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I started a project a while back which used swing for its gui. It had graphics, 640x480. and it ran at about 15 fps on the fastest machine I tried it on (PIII 550 running Windows). Nothing fancy. Not quake. Red and blue dots on a black background. Nothing I could do would make it go faster. So I scrapped the project. Don't try swing if you need anything graphical other than buttons.
Somehow I doubt breaking this law would disrupt the orderly working of society. And look at what civil disobedience has got us in the past... Rosa Parks, Ghandi, DeCSS, etc.
RMS didn't accept stock options from RH or VA. RMS wrote GCC, Emacs, and many of the major shell utilities. ESR wrote a compiler for an joke language, and fetchmail. ESR isn't a bad guy, but RMS has clearly contributed a good deal to the community.
Stallman has talked about this before. It's a serious issue that must be fought, tooth and nail, with lobbying and with civil disobedience, if necessary.
Many people are going to say that RMS is a crackpot or a communist. If he were a crackpot, he would talk for hours about this stuff, but never produce anything. Instead, he's slaved over keyboards for years, destroying his wrists to build free software for all of us to share.
Some people here have never actually read anything by RMS, and they don't understand why he, and many others, think that proprietary software is bad. I recommend http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html as a starting place.
... is kinda like registering guns. The only reason for registration is so that they can take it away later. Now, we all agree that the world would be a better place if no one had guns and if encryption was only used for good things. But life sucks, and so no one gets my PGP until they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
BTW, http://novalis.dorm.reed.edu/sekrit is my deCSS mirror
It is possible to know certain laws without being a lawyer. I aced my HS law class without cracking a book. Not because I'm smart, but because both my parents are lawyers. I picked it up through 17 years of hanging around them.