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You are confusing natural gas with propane. Natural Gas is just scrubbed methane. Methane is produced from innumerable sources, and is absolutely renewable; while it is often found in the same pockets as oil reserves, there is no reason at all that natural gas has to be obtained by mining; any decaying plant or animal waste will produce ample quantities of methane.
LOL! Now that is the best troll that I have seen in quite some time! I usually do not respond to them, but some people migh fall for the parent comment.
Propane is certainly not a gas that came straight from the ground. It requires more processing than gasoline. It is no more renewable than it's parent source and was created by a fellow who thought gasoline companies were ripping everybody off.
Natural Gas is the stuff that comes from the ground and is non-renewable.
Methane is "renewable" and the EPA also identifies it as a "greenhouse gas" (for those of you who believe in that greenhouse nonsense).
Now, if you have the instructions to a gas grill, see what those instructions have to say about propane, methane and naturel gas. They usually say the three are not interchangable or that modifications must be performed before switching.
Natural gas is almost entirely domestically produced. It costs less than $1.50 a gallon [pge.com] of gasoline equivalent, and it is renewable and clean.
Oil is just as "renewable" as natural gas. They both come from the same hole in the ground.
The natural gas advantage is in not having to refine it. The downside is not having as many products that can be made from it. If you make anythiing (besides a gooey mess) from oil you are going to end up with some gasoline or just vent it off as waste.
And this from the "superior society" that the Liberal Arts students/faculty were constantly droaning about?
Let me get this straight: I can not expect Indians to hire anybody from the USA because I need to be tolerant of their society, but I must hire anybody other than an American to be inclusive?
Yea, still makes no sense.
BTW, obviously not a direct response to your post, just staying on topic and adding a new point with historical context.
And Bahrain cannot maintain a monopoly. The potential market just seems too huge. They can still certainly keep raking in their revenues while the USA better utilizes its own resources.
More of a function of them being closer to the shipping lanes that supply the existing users of liquified natural gas, plus they already have the infrastructure in place fo all of the processing and transportation.
By all means, jump on in and compete if you think it is so easy.
So, you are going to battle the eco-weenies for a pipeline license back to the mainland?
Or perhaps you are going to ship to the markets Baharaine already has locked up with their liquified natural gas in the Eastern Hemesphere, including shipping around the world?
Just, perhaps, you might want to look at this in reality instead of from a philosophy classroom.
The actual number of years is much greater, I was being conservative.
If you call the number of rigs in the Gulf of Mexico "a few" then you are being just as conservative, only in a deceptive way. There a lot more rigs out there than you can count from a dock at the Port of New Orleans.
Umm, sounds a little jumbled and I could not find anything on natural gas waste dumps on the web. Have anything o that like a link?
Other than your Chomskyesque hatred for anything alcaline, what is wrong with people who own oil selling it to the folks who wish to purchase it?
If you think any small group controls oil product peices, you really need to look into the real history of OPEC, along with looking into the reall supply and price points over the history of the organization.
In this case, "anybody" is a Nation State. Your pointing to natural gas prices prices begs for a why. I submit that rising prices are not due to supply as still any times more Calories of natural gas are burned off in one year than any nation state consumes in all forms of energy for many years.
My other post of 1,000 times was quite conservative. The actual number is much higher, I just could not remember the figure.
Obviously you are not a scientist since you want to waste the energy to crack natural gas so that you have a concience-soothing final product. you have exponentially increased the inefficiency of getting energy from a cubic foot of natural gas.
Burning natural gas in a furnace or heat-pump (yes, they exist) is not the same as running it in a reciprocating engine either, so that is not an issue here, even though it is quite efficient.
If you have an efficient fuel cell you can run natural gas through it you might have something and this too is possible.
The offshore oil rigs "burn off" the "waste" natural gas that comes out with the oil. You might have noticed the "eternal flames" on almost every offshore oil rig in the world, other than Baharain(sp?).
First of all, hydrogen burns clean. It'a an abundant source of energy, and once again, BURNS CLEAN.
Yea, but so does natural gas and the energy value of what is burned off in the Gulf of Mexico, anually, is greater than the entire energy consumption of the US in 1,000 years.
Why did it need to be transparent aluminum anyways? Why couldnt they have just put the whale into a big steel bucket? Or wall it in with regular aluminum?
Was there really a need to sit around in the spaceship gawking at a whale? What a stupid movie that was. Never let Kirk direct.
You know how those ex-Admirals are, everything has to be so flashy.
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Why do you sound just like me?
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You can't trust stars from outside of your own neighborhood.
You are confusing natural gas with propane. Natural Gas is just scrubbed methane. Methane is produced from innumerable sources, and is absolutely renewable; while it is often found in the same pockets as oil reserves, there is no reason at all that natural gas has to be obtained by mining; any decaying plant or animal waste will produce ample quantities of methane.
LOL! Now that is the best troll that I have seen in quite some time! I usually do not respond to them, but some people migh fall for the parent comment.
Propane is certainly not a gas that came straight from the ground. It requires more processing than gasoline. It is no more renewable than it's parent source and was created by a fellow who thought gasoline companies were ripping everybody off.
Natural Gas is the stuff that comes from the ground and is non-renewable.
Methane is "renewable" and the EPA also identifies it as a "greenhouse gas" (for those of you who believe in that greenhouse nonsense).
Now, if you have the instructions to a gas grill, see what those instructions have to say about propane, methane and naturel gas. They usually say the three are not interchangable or that modifications must be performed before switching.
Natural gas is almost entirely domestically produced. It costs less than $1.50 a gallon [pge.com] of gasoline equivalent, and it is renewable and clean.
Oil is just as "renewable" as natural gas. They both come from the same hole in the ground.
The natural gas advantage is in not having to refine it. The downside is not having as many products that can be made from it. If you make anythiing (besides a gooey mess) from oil you are going to end up with some gasoline or just vent it off as waste.
No, but I was at the Blogger's Bash last weekend. Check my journal.
If you are considering a hybrid vehicle, there are two words you need to examine closely before going through with it:
repair costs
I believe a better set of words is "psychiatric examination".
I prefer my hydrogen powered Jeep, but maybe that's just me.
And this from the "superior society" that the Liberal Arts students/faculty were constantly droaning about?
Let me get this straight: I can not expect Indians to hire anybody from the USA because I need to be tolerant of their society, but I must hire anybody other than an American to be inclusive?
Yea, still makes no sense.
BTW, obviously not a direct response to your post, just staying on topic and adding a new point with historical context.
And Bahrain cannot maintain a monopoly. The potential market just seems too huge. They can still certainly keep raking in their revenues while the USA better utilizes its own resources.
More of a function of them being closer to the shipping lanes that supply the existing users of liquified natural gas, plus they already have the infrastructure in place fo all of the processing and transportation.
By all means, jump on in and compete if you think it is so easy.
So, you are going to battle the eco-weenies for a pipeline license back to the mainland?
Or perhaps you are going to ship to the markets Baharaine already has locked up with their liquified natural gas in the Eastern Hemesphere, including shipping around the world?
Just, perhaps, you might want to look at this in reality instead of from a philosophy classroom.
The actual number of years is much greater, I was being conservative.
If you call the number of rigs in the Gulf of Mexico "a few" then you are being just as conservative, only in a deceptive way. There a lot more rigs out there than you can count from a dock at the Port of New Orleans.
Umm, sounds a little jumbled and I could not find anything on natural gas waste dumps on the web. Have anything o that like a link?
Other than your Chomskyesque hatred for anything alcaline, what is wrong with people who own oil selling it to the folks who wish to purchase it?
If you think any small group controls oil product peices, you really need to look into the real history of OPEC, along with looking into the reall supply and price points over the history of the organization.
In this case, "anybody" is a Nation State. Your pointing to natural gas prices prices begs for a why. I submit that rising prices are not due to supply as still any times more Calories of natural gas are burned off in one year than any nation state consumes in all forms of energy for many years.
My other post of 1,000 times was quite conservative. The actual number is much higher, I just could not remember the figure.
Umm, wanna show some evidence of this "greenhouse effect" actually being impacted by numans?
No, not a bunch of man-made gas numbers alone, some actual temprature deviations outside of what nature does itself.
Thank you.
And after you crack natural gas to get the hydrogen, bring the overall (including cracking effort) down to about 10% or less.
Obviously this is a fashion issue, like that "anti-fur movement".
It is their primary export. They capture, liquify and ship it by tanker all over the world.
Obviously you are not a scientist since you want to waste the energy to crack natural gas so that you have a concience-soothing final product. you have exponentially increased the inefficiency of getting energy from a cubic foot of natural gas.
Burning natural gas in a furnace or heat-pump (yes, they exist) is not the same as running it in a reciprocating engine either, so that is not an issue here, even though it is quite efficient.
If you have an efficient fuel cell you can run natural gas through it you might have something and this too is possible.
Plus, I already have a hydrogen powered Jeep.
Distribution is frequently under strain for the same reasons that electrical distributuion are.
Supply certainly is not under any strain as much more is burned off from oil rigs annually than anybody actually uses in thousands of years.
The offshore oil rigs "burn off" the "waste" natural gas that comes out with the oil. You might have noticed the "eternal flames" on almost every offshore oil rig in the world, other than Baharain(sp?).
Why crack it when it is already burnable and clean when it comes out of the pipe as natural gas?
First of all, hydrogen burns clean. It'a an abundant source of energy, and once again, BURNS CLEAN.
Yea, but so does natural gas and the energy value of what is burned off in the Gulf of Mexico, anually, is greater than the entire energy consumption of the US in 1,000 years.
But, I am way ahead of all of you.
I thought they used 6" plexiglass. Aluminum would only need to be 0.5" or something.
My assumption (besides it was just written that way) was that they did not replicate it because Klingon ships are crap.
Now that I recall it was plexiglass.
Why did it need to be transparent aluminum anyways? Why couldnt they have just put the whale into a big steel bucket? Or wall it in with regular aluminum?
Was there really a need to sit around in the spaceship gawking at a whale? What a stupid movie that was. Never let Kirk direct.
You know how those ex-Admirals are, everything has to be so flashy.
Doesn't this guy also go on to invent transparent aluminum then come back to the present and give away the formula to a fabricator in San Francisco?
"Computer! Oh computer?"