The genetic engineering of the chimps included key genes from several other ape species that allowed for RAPID ape variety when the chimps broke free from the humans and were able to reproduce naturally, without "impurities" being destroyed.
Did you note the extreme LACK of variety in the apes in the movie? Where were the spider monkeys, etc? I only counted chimps, orangutans and gorillas, no others (might have missed some).
The lack of diversity in humans was probably to the lack of diversity of the ship's crew.
Ending: Thad (the ape general, whatever his name was) had a momument to him in the "future" because HE became a myrtar after being "jailed for life" in the ship. Legend developed and the apes took over the earth after they got guns (note that all of the DC ape cops had guns at the end), thus being able to re-enslave all humans.
Now, someone else work on the horsey problem? I will never figure that one out.
I am amazed that *anybody*, including the/. crowd, thinks for a second that Charlton Heston's lines literally meant "people should not have guns".
Didn't you guys pay attantion to ANY of the other words in that scene?
Heston's character says that "with guns in the hands of humans, our strength is no longer an advantage" and goes on to say that the apes will no longer be able to enslave the humans.
Get it? Does ANYBODY get that? He is saying that guns are the EQUALIZER that will allow humans to break the bonds of slavery.
How does EVERY person *paid* to review movies miss 90% of the important stuff?
I agree with the AC above, this was not a "remake" it is a wholly new movie that could have been done better. (I liked it anyway)
If I were determined to netcast it anyway there would be very little they could do to stop me.
For example, I could obtain servers in nations that don't care what the olympic committee says or have lax copyright laws, then upload the information direct from TV broadcasts off satellite or from broadcast TV, using VPN to mask content of the stream, with other content obfuscation techniques.
There are literally dozens of ways to circumvent and content restriction. Also, facts are not copyrightable in the USA, reporting of them is no violation of any law in the USA, so internet reporting of events (not actually streaming audio/video) can not be effectively stopped.
This is just more evidence that the Olympics has nothing to do with amature competition and everything to do with selling tickets to a human circus. The broadcasters being the primary ticket buyers that P.T. Barnum spoke of in his "suckers" comment.
Well, he is great if he is the same guy that I saw as a guest on various talk shows in the 1970's. Sounds exactly like the same guy.
If anybody has access to old Tonight Show archives, try to find one with Abagnale being interviewed by guest host George Carlin, from around 1975 or so (not kidding, younger readers). Abagnale tells a story of how he was able to pass a forged check to a very expensive prostitute/call girl (memory fuzzy on where it was) in a very pricy hotel, also paid for with a bad check. Oh yes, I think he got several hundred dollars US change back from her.
On interviews of the period, he covers how to use magnetic ink to forge deposit slips and place them in bank lobbies so that all deposits processed with those slips dump into an account of the forger's choice. Also how he created a fake night deposit box, stood guard on it all evening and had 2 rentacops or real cops (forgot) help him load it into his "security van" because it was too heavy for him to lift.
He never mentioned that many of these methods could be used for revenge too, i.e., how would you explain a couple million dollars in your bank account from forged deposit slips?
His stories are fantastic, excellent interview, excellent speaker too. Highly recommended, now I have to get the book!
I can not wait for internet voting, because Jeff Vogel of the Scorched Earth Party would get more votes fro presicent than the estimated number of electrons in the universe, from ME!
That's right, it's not democratic. It's not supposed to be. We are not a democracy, we are a "republic".
Several times before the election I posted electoral collige links and facts, but it does not do any good for the vast majority of people. It is like trying to explain to them that "personal property" != "private property".
So many of these folks seem to be just simpletons following the words of the TV person with the "best" hair and the slickest teleprompter delivery.
Now, for the rest of us who know what the Electoral College is, I suggest that we get our States to adopt the Maine/Nebraska Electoral system and also to end the practice of "faithless electors" (as 25 or so States have done already).
If this system is adopted we still get to tell our State how to vote while having some diversity between congressional district (those of us with more than one house member at least). It even opens the possibility of other parties to gain electoral votes in the final tally and perhaps a little more national exposure.
The military absentee vote usually splits close to even.
Granted, many of the folks in the military that talk about politics try to label themselves conservative and support, in spirit, Republican candidates, but the ones that actually vote outside of where they are stationed split about even.
Q. If someone advocated socializing the defense industry, would you consider them a conservative at all?
A. An Academy grad that I was in the Army Aviation Officer Advanced Course with advocated the above, along with many other extreme left economic views, but he was a hardcore Republican.
If you think that it may be a factor you can always wait until the last moment.
What about if you vote in the morning and something shocking is revealed in the afternoon? I know it is more likely for this situation to happen in a 2 week timespan, but if "it" was not revealed until within 2 weeks then "it" probably would not change my mind.
BTW, I think that the booths go up about the sae time the mail in ballots are arriving in the mail to voters.
I refuse to be a VA resident, so my domocile is still in Tennessee.
Anyway, at the risk of being redundant (have posted some of this before) I voted at an electronic machine in Tennessee on Saturday October 21st, 2000. I prefer the electronic voting machines over all othrs that I have used over the past 20 years.
However, I did have to wait in line for a while before voting. The machines were setup at a mall and the mood was quite relaxed.
I heard from people that voted a week later that they had no waiting.
Pressing the name and seeing the green LED (all parties, not just the Nader one;) come on recording the vote seems just so much more satisfying than punching a card.
But Bush obviously did show up to fly the plane, in flight school and for several years after.
He then became employed out of State and his commander let him stay in the unit without attending, happens frequently now, obviously was not unheard of then.
Be that as it may, he was flying missions with his unit for some time, much more often than Al Gore "taking the point", another Gore fiction that he himself lied about.
Actually, having been a National Guardsman for over 12 years, Commissioned and Enlisted, I would have to see more evidence that he did anything improper.
He certainly seems to have had the blessing of his command, no action was brought against him at all (it would have been trivial to do then, still quite easy now). Also, I am not sure about all of the little rules of his time, but when I completed Army flight school, funded by TN, another Tennessee Guardsman that was there with me got a job in Florida and was no longer obligated to complete service in TN. If he had just failed to show up he would have had some sort of disciplinary action.
Whatever the situation was with Bush, it sure does not look like he was doing anything out of the ordinary then, at least by the scant records available.
Also note, driving a fighter ANYPLACE is more hazerdous than smoking dope with your secret service gaurds in a secure compound in Vietnam.
Also, you might try toning the language down a bit, especially if you are so challanged ad you demonstrate.
The quote: by size, maybe. but hell, by that logic, Tony Knowles, governor of Alaska, is even more qualified for the job. demonstrates that this person believes Texas is the second largest State by size only. In reality it is the second largest State by both size and population.
The poster also states that the GOvernor of Alaska is more qualified, without regard to the fact that Alaska is one of the least populated States in the nation.
Now, please, pay more attention before you go calling names that would, in your case, best be shouted while standing in front of a mirror.
> Bush is the twice elected governor of the second biggest state in the country.
by size, maybe. but hell, by that logic, Tony Knowles, governor of Alaska, is even more qualified for the job.
Excuse me? Where are you getting your info?
Texas has a census bureau estimated 1999 population of 20,044,141 a greater population than NY 1999 census bureau est. at 18,196,601. When the Congressional districts are reapportioned TX will have more votes electoral votes and larger Congressional delegation than any other State besides California. In otherwords, NY voters currently are casting one more electoral vote than a State that has around 2 million more people than than NY.
California is by far the most populous State and currently casts 54 electoral votes.
See http://www.census.gov/ to brush up on current State population estimates.
Yep, I believe that I have seen your info before and never doubted that Gore edged over Bush in a standardized admissions test. How did Gore do on the GMAT? Probably did not take it. What about the GRE? What about the ASVAB?
At least Bush was able to complete flight school. The Army version was no picnic for me, doubt that the Airforce one is any cake walk either.
If Gore was not out getting "baked" (smoking pot) at the Bayou in his true home of Washington, DC, while he was SUPPOSED to be attending Georgetown law school, he might have finished that.
If he had been attending Vanderbilt's Divinity school instead of doing the same in Nashville, he might have finished that too.
Well, he didn't. There have been no shortage of his contemporaries talking about him smoking dope all the time, people he worked with, people I know in the DC area that worked at "The Bayou" nightclub back then, his own admission that he did it in Vietnam (he left out the part about being heavily protected while there) and on and on. However, it would be fine by me if it was not affecting his performance. It certainly appears that it was affecting his performance.
Oh yea, I wish people would stop saying that he is from TN. He is from DC, period.
Maybe Bush was drinking a lot back then and never denied it, but at least he was able to finish an MBA from a REAL MBA program. And I have not been reading about any "witnesses" to this cocaine fiction that was spread about Bush. If it were true I would expect a similar turnout of snorting buddies for Bush as there are smoking buddies for Gore.
YES, I am pissed that I did not get free smokes in TN like the homeless got in Michigan when they went to vote in the Gore vans!
(Informing and venting at the same time, please read gently)
Folks, those of us that vote in Tennessee (and KY, OH, TX, perhaps others?) have been able to vote for a couple of weeks now. I voted on 21 October 2000 and still had to wait in a couple of lines even that early. Relatives that voted a week later (still back in October), had no waiting. I first voted this way 4 years ago and would never trade the convenience and SANITY of this method.
BTW, I am not speaking of mail-in voting, we setup electronic machines in easy to get to places, I voted in a mall on a Saturday.
If the "mainstream press" were really interested if that boy from Washington, DC (Al Gore) is winning the State of TN then they should have been doing exit polling for a couple of weeks, not waiting until the last 150 people finally get to the voting places on the last day.
Actually, if/. was interested in early voting they would have posted one of the stories I submitted about early voting (not complaining, just stating). Hell, for all I know this will be the least read comment on this topic. However, people in the DC/NoVA area, where I work, seem to be fascinated with this "advanced technology" and that it is somehow "not right".
If the States out on the west coast would adopt a system like TN, KY, OH, TX then they could stop whining about the election being "over" before they voted. Well, probably would not stop the whining, but they would have had an opportunity to vote their choice long before Dixville Notch, N.H. counts its votes early "election day" morning.
If other States would adopt proportional voting like Maine and Nebraska, then folks can stop whining about the electoral college too. Check Electoral College Homepage for real info on how it works, instead of listening to reporters and victims of public education that post here. The EC is NOT "winner take all" by any means.
Please check the http://www.2600.com for their polling results, then look at the current cover. I love the mag as well as the bias, that I do not always share, especially in this case.
Anyway, I voted last month and if Albert Gore Jr. wins the State of TN, it certainly will not be my fault. I want to see his face as he is counting the votes in January (if this sounds like a clueless statement, please check that EC link and refresh your knowledge of how this process works).
Hell, you would probably want to see mine if I am completely wrong about the outcome of this election, LOL!
Response from a back room Republicrat lacky that can read and browse the web, to be fired from the campaign for failing to obfuscate the issue.
First of all, the way those votes are cast is NOT a federal issue, it is a State issue. The Constitution leaves the procedure of casting the electorial college votes to the States. See The Electorial College Homepage for detailed info like this:
The United States Constitution and Federal law place certain responsibilities relating to the Presidential election upon State executives and the electors for President and Vice President. Neither the Constitution nor Federal law prescribe the manner in which each State appoints its electors other than directing that they be appointed on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (November 7, 2000). The Constitution forbids a Senator, Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States from being appointed as an elector.
There is plenty of information on that site that, apparently, nobody that discusses this topic bothers to learn.
For one thing, it is Maine and Nebraska that have proportional electors, sort of. They have 2 electors that are elected "a large" and all other electors are elected by congressional district.
If you want it to be changed, lobby your own State legeslatures and skip the Constitutional Ammendment nonsense.
Also, the current system is the closest mechanism that would allow a less "popular" candidate to be elected. Since so many of the electors are bound by nothing but their own concience (some States do have penalties and/or other safeguards for electors that do not vote as they were pleged to do), they *could* elect someone that is not the winner of the popular vote. That has happened at least once.
Note: The only "electorial college" electors that meet in Washington, DC, are the electors from DC (per Amendment XXIII, currently 3), the rest meet in thier respective States and their ballots are counted by the President of the Senate (currently Albert Gore, Jr.) in December.
Another related non-issue: Calafornia hears the "winner" long before their polls are closed.
OK, west coast, do what TN, OH and KY do, open your polls 15 days early, let people vote at the mall, use a nice laid back easy system and then all you need to do is count votes on "election day" since everybody had plenty of time to vote already. Or you could encourage absantee balloting, like Washington State and keep the east coast in the dark as the snail-mail dribbles in for the count.
Either way, the States have the power. Leave the Constitution alone please.
1) The Electoral College is a throwback to a form of representative democracy born in an era when direct democracy was not technologically feasible. The notion that a person whom the majority of Americans hate could still become President because he won in three states should be quite troubling.
Perhaps you should read some of the comments from other posters as well as this: Electorial College Homepage. If what you suppose were really true then one of these guys that the other/.ers like so much might have a chance at winning. Yes, there have been instances where a less popular candidate won, please look into those circumstances on your own.
For one thing, the States determine the way their votes are cast, not the feds (feds only determine the number of votes per State). Every State could have a proportional system like Nebraska or Maine. If you don't live in those 2 states then I suggest you lobby your own State Legeslature and leave the Constitution alone please. It is your State government that is broken, not our Constitution.
I have never seen anything supporting the notion that the electorial college system was created because votes could not be counted fast enough or that the Founding Fathers actually wanted anything besides a Republic. If there is some actual discourse amoung the founding fathers about this then please let the rest of us know. Until then, please let this myth die along with that myth that Ammendment II has anything at all to do with hunting.
2) The Bill of Rights is in serious need of revision. Does anybody even pay any attention to the ninth and tenth amendments?
Another poster mentioned the Supreme Court knocks down the legeslative and executive branch with those 2 Ammendments whenever it can. It would be nice if this happened much more often, but it does happen.
I did not miss your comment on Ammendment III, but if you do not see the importance of that already then you never will.
. . . there are more Americans turning 18 than ever before,
and they now know that at least one presidential candidate is an idiot. - JonKatz
Ahem, in the past 20 years, we have been nowhere near the record of Americans turning 18. That event occured when the peak of the babyboom generation turned 18 in the 70's (or was that the late 60's?) and the current number of 18yr olds pales in comparison.
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jesus fing CHRIST!/. posts this same stupid article every 9 months or so as if it is new. THE DAMN THING IS AT LEAST 3 YEARS OLD!!! THIIS IS THE 3rd TIME/. HAS POSTED IT ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!
Well, IMO, it's time employers are FORCED to play fair and give up their extremely
abusive practises.
The work environment will force them to work with the workers, eventually. Guys like this can only cry for so long before they go out of business or their business flees to the effective employers that retain the skills developed within their own company.
BTW, I have changed my mind from my post above, in this thread, offering to send a resume. I would not work for this guy if I got to be corporate security VP AND chief pilot.
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First item: It is a work of fiction!
Second item: Ape species variety puzzle.
Answer: Genetic engeering side effects.
The genetic engineering of the chimps included key genes from several other ape species that allowed for RAPID ape variety when the chimps broke free from the humans and were able to reproduce naturally, without "impurities" being destroyed.
Did you note the extreme LACK of variety in the apes in the movie? Where were the spider monkeys, etc? I only counted chimps, orangutans and gorillas, no others (might have missed some).
The lack of diversity in humans was probably to the lack of diversity of the ship's crew.
Ending: Thad (the ape general, whatever his name was) had a momument to him in the "future" because HE became a myrtar after being "jailed for life" in the ship. Legend developed and the apes took over the earth after they got guns (note that all of the DC ape cops had guns at the end), thus being able to re-enslave all humans.
Now, someone else work on the horsey problem? I will never figure that one out.
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I am amazed that *anybody*, including the /. crowd, thinks for a second that Charlton Heston's lines literally meant "people should not have guns".
Didn't you guys pay attantion to ANY of the other words in that scene?
Heston's character says that "with guns in the hands of humans, our strength is no longer an advantage" and goes on to say that the apes will no longer be able to enslave the humans.
Get it? Does ANYBODY get that? He is saying that guns are the EQUALIZER that will allow humans to break the bonds of slavery.
How does EVERY person *paid* to review movies miss 90% of the important stuff?
I agree with the AC above, this was not a "remake" it is a wholly new movie that could have been done better. (I liked it anyway)
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Sorry to dissapoint, it is just my handle. My parents named me something else ;-)
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Yes, that would be me. No it is not my *real* name, just my handle that I have used for a few years.
http://www.dc2600.com
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If I were determined to netcast it anyway there would be very little they could do to stop me.
For example, I could obtain servers in nations that don't care what the olympic committee says or have lax copyright laws, then upload the information direct from TV broadcasts off satellite or from broadcast TV, using VPN to mask content of the stream, with other content obfuscation techniques.
There are literally dozens of ways to circumvent and content restriction. Also, facts are not copyrightable in the USA, reporting of them is no violation of any law in the USA, so internet reporting of events (not actually streaming audio/video) can not be effectively stopped.
This is just more evidence that the Olympics has nothing to do with amature competition and everything to do with selling tickets to a human circus. The broadcasters being the primary ticket buyers that P.T. Barnum spoke of in his "suckers" comment.
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Well, he is great if he is the same guy that I saw as a guest on various talk shows in the 1970's. Sounds exactly like the same guy.
If anybody has access to old Tonight Show archives, try to find one with Abagnale being interviewed by guest host George Carlin, from around 1975 or so (not kidding, younger readers). Abagnale tells a story of how he was able to pass a forged check to a very expensive prostitute/call girl (memory fuzzy on where it was) in a very pricy hotel, also paid for with a bad check. Oh yes, I think he got several hundred dollars US change back from her.
On interviews of the period, he covers how to use magnetic ink to forge deposit slips and place them in bank lobbies so that all deposits processed with those slips dump into an account of the forger's choice. Also how he created a fake night deposit box, stood guard on it all evening and had 2 rentacops or real cops (forgot) help him load it into his "security van" because it was too heavy for him to lift.
He never mentioned that many of these methods could be used for revenge too, i.e., how would you explain a couple million dollars in your bank account from forged deposit slips?
His stories are fantastic, excellent interview, excellent speaker too. Highly recommended, now I have to get the book!
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I am typing while wasted, sorry (extra attention to typing on this post)
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I can not wait for internet voting, because Jeff Vogel of the Scorched Earth Party would get more votes fro presicent than the estimated number of electrons in the universe, from ME!
thank you
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Excuse me but cable != monopoly, it depends on the location and I see nothing here saying that this Florida county granted a monopoly to AT&T.
Second point, if they do indeed have a monopoly then cry at the government agency that granted/regulates them.
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That's right, it's not democratic. It's not supposed to be. We are not a democracy, we are a "republic".
Several times before the election I posted electoral collige links and facts, but it does not do any good for the vast majority of people. It is like trying to explain to them that "personal property" != "private property".
So many of these folks seem to be just simpletons following the words of the TV person with the "best" hair and the slickest teleprompter delivery.
Now, for the rest of us who know what the Electoral College is, I suggest that we get our States to adopt the Maine/Nebraska Electoral system and also to end the practice of "faithless electors" (as 25 or so States have done already).
If this system is adopted we still get to tell our State how to vote while having some diversity between congressional district (those of us with more than one house member at least). It even opens the possibility of other parties to gain electoral votes in the final tally and perhaps a little more national exposure.
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The military absentee vote usually splits close to even.
Granted, many of the folks in the military that talk about politics try to label themselves conservative and support, in spirit, Republican candidates, but the ones that actually vote outside of where they are stationed split about even.
Q. If someone advocated socializing the defense industry, would you consider them a conservative at all?
A. An Academy grad that I was in the Army Aviation Officer Advanced Course with advocated the above, along with many other extreme left economic views, but he was a hardcore Republican.
Not a stat, just an anecdote.
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If you think that it may be a factor you can always wait until the last moment.
What about if you vote in the morning and something shocking is revealed in the afternoon? I know it is more likely for this situation to happen in a 2 week timespan, but if "it" was not revealed until within 2 weeks then "it" probably would not change my mind.
BTW, I think that the booths go up about the sae time the mail in ballots are arriving in the mail to voters.
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I refuse to be a VA resident, so my domocile is still in Tennessee.
;) come on recording the vote seems just so much more satisfying than punching a card.
Anyway, at the risk of being redundant (have posted some of this before) I voted at an electronic machine in Tennessee on Saturday October 21st, 2000. I prefer the electronic voting machines over all othrs that I have used over the past 20 years.
However, I did have to wait in line for a while before voting. The machines were setup at a mall and the mood was quite relaxed.
I heard from people that voted a week later that they had no waiting.
Pressing the name and seeing the green LED (all parties, not just the Nader one
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But Bush obviously did show up to fly the plane, in flight school and for several years after.
He then became employed out of State and his commander let him stay in the unit without attending, happens frequently now, obviously was not unheard of then.
Be that as it may, he was flying missions with his unit for some time, much more often than Al Gore "taking the point", another Gore fiction that he himself lied about.
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Actually, having been a National Guardsman for over 12 years, Commissioned and Enlisted, I would have to see more evidence that he did anything improper.
He certainly seems to have had the blessing of his command, no action was brought against him at all (it would have been trivial to do then, still quite easy now). Also, I am not sure about all of the little rules of his time, but when I completed Army flight school, funded by TN, another Tennessee Guardsman that was there with me got a job in Florida and was no longer obligated to complete service in TN. If he had just failed to show up he would have had some sort of disciplinary action.
Whatever the situation was with Bush, it sure does not look like he was doing anything out of the ordinary then, at least by the scant records available.
Also note, driving a fighter ANYPLACE is more hazerdous than smoking dope with your secret service gaurds in a secure compound in Vietnam.
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Also, you might try toning the language down a bit, especially if you are so challanged ad you demonstrate.
The quote: by size, maybe. but hell, by that logic, Tony Knowles, governor of Alaska, is even more qualified for the job. demonstrates that this person believes Texas is the second largest State by size only. In reality it is the second largest State by both size and population.
The poster also states that the GOvernor of Alaska is more qualified, without regard to the fact that Alaska is one of the least populated States in the nation.
Now, please, pay more attention before you go calling names that would, in your case, best be shouted while standing in front of a mirror.
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> Bush is the twice elected governor of the second biggest state in the country.
by size, maybe. but hell, by that logic, Tony Knowles, governor of Alaska, is even more qualified for the job.
Excuse me? Where are you getting your info?
Texas has a census bureau estimated 1999 population of 20,044,141 a greater population than NY 1999 census bureau est. at 18,196,601. When the Congressional districts are reapportioned TX will have more votes electoral votes and larger Congressional delegation than any other State besides California. In otherwords, NY voters currently are casting one more electoral vote than a State that has around 2 million more people than than NY.
California is by far the most populous State and currently casts 54 electoral votes.
See http://www.census.gov/ to brush up on current State population estimates.
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Yep, I believe that I have seen your info before and never doubted that Gore edged over Bush in a standardized admissions test. How did Gore do on the GMAT? Probably did not take it. What about the GRE? What about the ASVAB?
At least Bush was able to complete flight school. The Army version was no picnic for me, doubt that the Airforce one is any cake walk either.
If Gore was not out getting "baked" (smoking pot) at the Bayou in his true home of Washington, DC, while he was SUPPOSED to be attending Georgetown law school, he might have finished that.
If he had been attending Vanderbilt's Divinity school instead of doing the same in Nashville, he might have finished that too.
Well, he didn't. There have been no shortage of his contemporaries talking about him smoking dope all the time, people he worked with, people I know in the DC area that worked at "The Bayou" nightclub back then, his own admission that he did it in Vietnam (he left out the part about being heavily protected while there) and on and on. However, it would be fine by me if it was not affecting his performance. It certainly appears that it was affecting his performance.
Oh yea, I wish people would stop saying that he is from TN. He is from DC, period.
Maybe Bush was drinking a lot back then and never denied it, but at least he was able to finish an MBA from a REAL MBA program. And I have not been reading about any "witnesses" to this cocaine fiction that was spread about Bush. If it were true I would expect a similar turnout of snorting buddies for Bush as there are smoking buddies for Gore.
YES, I am pissed that I did not get free smokes in TN like the homeless got in Michigan when they went to vote in the Gore vans!
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(Informing and venting at the same time, please read gently)
/. was interested in early voting they would have posted one of the stories I submitted about early voting (not complaining, just stating). Hell, for all I know this will be the least read comment on this topic. However, people in the DC/NoVA area, where I work, seem to be fascinated with this "advanced technology" and that it is somehow "not right".
Folks, those of us that vote in Tennessee (and KY, OH, TX, perhaps others?) have been able to vote for a couple of weeks now. I voted on 21 October 2000 and still had to wait in a couple of lines even that early. Relatives that voted a week later (still back in October), had no waiting. I first voted this way 4 years ago and would never trade the convenience and SANITY of this method.
BTW, I am not speaking of mail-in voting, we setup electronic machines in easy to get to places, I voted in a mall on a Saturday.
If the "mainstream press" were really interested if that boy from Washington, DC (Al Gore) is winning the State of TN then they should have been doing exit polling for a couple of weeks, not waiting until the last 150 people finally get to the voting places on the last day.
Actually, if
If the States out on the west coast would adopt a system like TN, KY, OH, TX then they could stop whining about the election being "over" before they voted. Well, probably would not stop the whining, but they would have had an opportunity to vote their choice long before Dixville Notch, N.H. counts its votes early "election day" morning.
If other States would adopt proportional voting like Maine and Nebraska, then folks can stop whining about the electoral college too. Check Electoral College Homepage for real info on how it works, instead of listening to reporters and victims of public education that post here. The EC is NOT "winner take all" by any means.
Please check the http://www.2600.com for their polling results, then look at the current cover. I love the mag as well as the bias, that I do not always share, especially in this case.
Anyway, I voted last month and if Albert Gore Jr. wins the State of TN, it certainly will not be my fault. I want to see his face as he is counting the votes in January (if this sounds like a clueless statement, please check that EC link and refresh your knowledge of how this process works).
Hell, you would probably want to see mine if I am completely wrong about the outcome of this election, LOL!
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OK, Albert Gore Jr. counts all of the votes on Jan. 6th 2001, not sometime in December.
December is when the various electors in the States meet to vote and the results are sent to DC within about a week.
Amendment only has 2 "m"'s
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4) electoral reform
by carleton
Response from a back room Republicrat lacky that can read and browse the web, to be fired from the campaign for failing to obfuscate the issue.
First of all, the way those votes are cast is NOT a federal issue, it is a State issue. The Constitution leaves the procedure of casting the electorial college votes to the States. See The Electorial College Homepage for detailed info like this:
Procedures
The States
The United States Constitution and Federal law place certain responsibilities relating to the Presidential election upon State executives and the electors for President and Vice President. Neither the Constitution nor Federal law prescribe the manner in which each State appoints its electors other than directing that they be appointed on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (November 7, 2000). The Constitution forbids a Senator, Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States from being appointed as an elector.
There is plenty of information on that site that, apparently, nobody that discusses this topic bothers to learn.
For one thing, it is Maine and Nebraska that have proportional electors, sort of. They have 2 electors that are elected "a large" and all other electors are elected by congressional district.
If you want it to be changed, lobby your own State legeslatures and skip the Constitutional Ammendment nonsense.
Also, the current system is the closest mechanism that would allow a less "popular" candidate to be elected. Since so many of the electors are bound by nothing but their own concience (some States do have penalties and/or other safeguards for electors that do not vote as they were pleged to do), they *could* elect someone that is not the winner of the popular vote. That has happened at least once.
Note: The only "electorial college" electors that meet in Washington, DC, are the electors from DC (per Amendment XXIII, currently 3), the rest meet in thier respective States and their ballots are counted by the President of the Senate (currently Albert Gore, Jr.) in December.
Another related non-issue: Calafornia hears the "winner" long before their polls are closed.
OK, west coast, do what TN, OH and KY do, open your polls 15 days early, let people vote at the mall, use a nice laid back easy system and then all you need to do is count votes on "election day" since everybody had plenty of time to vote already. Or you could encourage absantee balloting, like Washington State and keep the east coast in the dark as the snail-mail dribbles in for the count.
Either way, the States have the power. Leave the Constitution alone please.
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1) The Electoral College is a throwback to a form of representative democracy born in an era when direct democracy was not technologically feasible. The notion that a person whom the majority of Americans hate could still become President because he won in three states should be quite troubling.
/.ers like so much might have a chance at winning. Yes, there have been instances where a less popular candidate won, please look into those circumstances on your own.
Perhaps you should read some of the comments from other posters as well as this: Electorial College Homepage. If what you suppose were really true then one of these guys that the other
For one thing, the States determine the way their votes are cast, not the feds (feds only determine the number of votes per State). Every State could have a proportional system like Nebraska or Maine. If you don't live in those 2 states then I suggest you lobby your own State Legeslature and leave the Constitution alone please. It is your State government that is broken, not our Constitution.
I have never seen anything supporting the notion that the electorial college system was created because votes could not be counted fast enough or that the Founding Fathers actually wanted anything besides a Republic. If there is some actual discourse amoung the founding fathers about this then please let the rest of us know. Until then, please let this myth die along with that myth that Ammendment II has anything at all to do with hunting.
2) The Bill of Rights is in serious need of revision. Does anybody even pay any attention to the ninth and tenth amendments?
That would be these? IX and X
Another poster mentioned the Supreme Court knocks down the legeslative and executive branch with those 2 Ammendments whenever it can. It would be nice if this happened much more often, but it does happen.
I did not miss your comment on Ammendment III, but if you do not see the importance of that already then you never will.
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. . . there are more Americans turning 18 than ever before,
and they now know that at least one presidential candidate is an idiot.
- JonKatz
Ahem, in the past 20 years, we have been nowhere near the record of Americans turning 18. That event occured when the peak of the babyboom generation turned 18 in the 70's (or was that the late 60's?) and the current number of 18yr olds pales in comparison.
Umm, wanna expand on that idiot part Jon?
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jesus fing CHRIST! /. posts this same stupid article every 9 months or so as if it is new. THE DAMN THING IS AT LEAST 3 YEARS OLD!!! THIIS IS THE 3rd TIME /. HAS POSTED IT ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!
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Well, IMO, it's time employers are FORCED to play fair and give up their extremely abusive practises.
The work environment will force them to work with the workers, eventually. Guys like this can only cry for so long before they go out of business or their business flees to the effective employers that retain the skills developed within their own company.
BTW, I have changed my mind from my post above, in this thread, offering to send a resume. I would not work for this guy if I got to be corporate security VP AND chief pilot.
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