This OLD idea (se parent to this post) was dusted off 19 years ago for the World's Fair in Knoxville, but never implimented. There was some discussion that birds flying through the beam could be fried or something.
Also, as far as putting a narrow/small footprint on the ground, that technology is in use today. The satellite imagery downlink for the US military has a very small footprint. You can receive it at the Ft. Belvour, VA PX (right by the ground station), but if you get over to Davidson Army Airfield you are out of the footprint. Good luck decrypting the signal if you are not supposed to be receiving;-)
Have not bothered to check in the last 200,000 miles (239,000+ right now) but was around 20 MPG back then, 5.5 yrs ago. Currently paying about $1.45 or so per gallon.
If I could not afford the gas I could not have afforded the payments either, oh well.
Yes, my stock 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport runs on hydrogen. The special fuel has a little carbon bonded with it and some other stuff.
Been purchasing at Exxon and several other outlets that specialize in this revolutionary fuel. They are trying so hard to get the word out that if you purchase more than $5.00 of the stuff you get a discount on a car wash!
Clinton Suspended from Arguing Before High Court also "In other action, the court rejected arguments that FBI blunders should give Oklahoma City
bombing co-defendant Terry Nichols the chance for a new trial."
Got to my office, well outside of the washington beltway, just over an hour ago. The eerieness is just setting in...
Yesterday, the parking lot next door was empty by 1 PM, pretty odd but did not notice at the time. Back to full today.
The most eery thing is the silence out here now. As mentioned in parent to this post, we are on the approach path to IAD. We usually have airplanes landing at minimum seperation, jet noise all day. Not today. No news here on when airports will resume operations. Yesterday they said noon today, today they are not saying.
The Pentagon is open again today. None of our employees (just my group) that work there were injured, but some of their offices were destroyed either in the initial attack or with the fires that crept through after. Some had offices in the "B" ring. We are trying to make office space for them here.
One guy was unaccounted for yesterday. He had decided to stop by the office here in Chantilly before going to the Pentagon. Big bosses could not find him and he was right here in a cube the whole time. One of the DCS offices that we work with is missing 38 people. They had just moved into the "E" ring, it's now a hole.
The latest guess is that 800 people could be dead. Good thing that the wedge that was hit had just been renovated but not fully occupied or there would have been thousands.
Everybody is talking about our interesting stories in dealing with/reassuring relatives (mine in parent post), along with "what should be done."
Box cutters, knives and a few manuals, loud voices, turn off the transponder... I am amazed that something like this had not occurred a long time ago, but taken back a bit at the extent of damage that 3 passenger planes can do...
As soon as we learned how to keep the helicopter straight and level we were taught to point the aircraft at a water tower and fly to it (not through it). This was one of the first things we were taught in Army flight school, basic "driving" of the machine, then how to crudely get it to a destination. Hard to believe that it was almost 20 years ago, but that day of instruction crept into my head right after seeing the second airplane hit WTC. That is about the only skill these guys needed to pull off their attack.
Called in to the Army office that I worked for a few years ago, as a reservist, and let them know I am still around if they need any help. Left a voicemail. Their parent org was right where the big hole in the Pentagon is now.
Here inn the States it will have to be some soret of law enforcement, like the sky-marshals arm of the federal marshall service. Using the military violates the "Posse Comotatas (sp?)" statute.
Skip the fact that the existance of federal cops are not an enumerated power, thus a violation of the constitution itself... hey... maybe ya got a point...
All that I heard was there was a HELICOPTER in the vacinity (not a prop driven fixted wing), that moved to the opposite side of the Pentagon as the commercial flight was crashing.
Shortly before the report of the commercial plane, hijacked bear DC and cruising around the Dulles area, AFTER the FAA announced that all airflights were grounded and all civilian flights will land at closest airfield, I saw a Northwest DC9 landing north on the left IAD approach (almost crosses over NRO HQ). A Navy plane was landing shortly after on the right runway.
That was the LAST civilian flight I saw all day, but shortly after I heard an F-16 on afterburners. Later the report of a hijacked airliner in the IAD area was reported as false.
I propose that Sept 11 was selected because the team was in place for weeks waiting for good weather over all targets at the same time.
Only saw video of WTC 2 strike. If all of the terrorist pilots had that skill level, they needed good visibility, i.e., he was too wobbly to be a seasoned instrumet pilot.
I suspect that the whole bunch laid in wait until the weather was right in both DC and NYC before they even left for Logan, Newark and Dulles.
Yes, some of you know me as one of the "old" DC2600 guys. A scant few of you know me as a Defense Contractor employee that works on the US Army Aviation Budget as my "real" job.
The day began slow, was running late for work, showed up moments before the first WTC strike. Checked with boss on anything new since day before and when he is going to the National Guard Readiness Center. Nothing new.
WTOP is the only radio station that comes in at my cube, in Chantilly, VA, near the NRO (see other posts, other threads). WTOP reports that an airplane has hit WTC 1. I metion it to a co worker, retired 10 days ago Army Aviation instructor and other cool stuff (he was an instructor there when I was in flight school). Both of us sluff it off as just some dope flying in the wrong place.
A little while later, WTOP reports plane 2 hits WTC 2. I grab a more receptive audience, Larry the retired Command Seargents Major of the National Guard. We listen to the radio, dicuss what is up and start specuating. Yes, we began joking too... I offered a bet that the pilots were Allied students of Mark's from the mid '80s (Aviator mentioned above) from Lebenon... seeinng the MSNBC stream on the net sayig that AC #2 definately had a "PLO control touch"... etc.
Pentagon gets hit, Larry and others start calling our employees that work in the Pentagon and elsewhere in the area (we work on our firms site, we have people that work on client sites). Everybody is fine...
Talk ensues of units being mobilized (some of us are sitll reservists), what will happen (check end or this post), etc.
My family lives in TN, just remembering that mom has said that I work in the Pentagon for 7 years, even though I never have worked there, just visit the building on occasion for work or to impress my son. Call mom, remind her that I am safe and sound in Chantilly, VA, right by the NRO, directly on the approach path to Dulles Airport (yes, the paths of the planes landig orth, right runway, bisect my building) and I STILL do not work in the Pentagon. Concience satisfied.
News of a hijacked plane around Dulles, with F-16s in persuit gets to the office. 2 of us went outside to look for the chase. All we heard/saw was afterburer noise... went back to the 4th floor to get a better view.
Got e-mail from mom, aknowledgig my voicemeail. Sister had sent her a message asking if I was at Pentagon today (sorry, I do not work inside the beltway, aka getto), they were glad I was okay. Replied with story of looking for the dogfight (eventually was revealed as false report).
Folks with families here began going home just after lunch, big bosses begin telling us to go home. I tell them that I will stay, son (18) in TN only knows my work number, doubt that he is that worried about me but I want to be by the phone in case he is worried. Forwarded e-mail between me and mom to him.
Office gets deserted as I polish up some work and watch whatever web streams of the crashes I can find. Sr. VP comes through and asks if we had accountability of all of our people on client sites "as far as I know, yes, everybody is fine."
Head out for some dinner, deli is open, not playig radio, relaxing with an Italian Sausage sub. Head back to Reston, VA, cruise into the Town Center to grab a beer. Looks like a Rod Serling TV show, buildings intact, no people. Main drive through the place is closed off, almost everything is closed. Watch MSNBC and CNN in "Bistro! Bistro!", chat about the events with my trusty bartender, Mark Mac, and with others. Create conspiracies "it was the FIRA (French IRA), supported by the un-holy alliance of the Illuminati and the Masons"
Happy hour ends at 7, I get home to try to call Emmanuel of 2600 Magazine, "Off the Hook" is on soon, he might wat a voice from the DC area. No dice, phones still overloaded (sincerly thought that the phone emergecy was over).
Since I have been conditioned for over 22 years to be calm in events like this, I still am, but twinges of emotion creep in, anger, sadness, etc. since I am mentally waiting to be ready to do somethig, but in reality i don't have anythig to do in this situation, unless I get a phonecall from the Army.
My heart goes out to all of you that have experienced a loss today.
Granted, the intel guys *might* have been able to see this in advance, but these attacks were trivial to plan and conduct. DO NOT LET THE POLICE FORCES TURN THIS INTO AN EXCUSE FOR A POLICE STATE!
Just a few moments ago WTOP - FM, Washington DC, interviewed a Congressman (sorry, missed his name) and the Congressman confirmed that the PA crash was from a shoot down by US Military.
Note: info is from a Congressman, could be total BS, ya never know. Might be why WTOP is not running it on their website, but the descriptoin from a witness on the plane in this story:
http://www.wtop.com/news/news-story.jhtml?NewsId =1 87235 indicates that some sort of explosion happened before the plane went down.
The same radio story reported that the Congressional Leadership has been evacuated to their safe facility.
Flight 77 is confirmed to be the one that hit the Pentagon. A Congressional aide was on the flight and reporting to someone by cell phone about what was going on.
There is a big hole IN the Pentagon where an airplane crashed into it. It is ONLY 5 stories tall (well, there is that *alleged* basement), 5 sides, 5 rings. A 300 foot hole can not swollow the worlds most massive office building.
Plane crashed by the helliport, on the Southwest side. Most reports are that it hit between the E and D rings (outermost ring is E).
Not sure if this was the wedge that is currently under renovation or not.
There are confirmed dead adults in the building. None of the children in the daycare center were harmed. All of the children are accounted for and safe.
Verizon is asking everybody in the DC area to stay off of ANY phone line unless it is an emergency.
There are dead at the Pentagon. NONE OF THE CHILDREN IN THE PENTAGON DAYCARE WERE HARMED (thank G_d).
Nothing new on 2nd suspected hijacked airplane in DC area (I heard the F-16's flying around out here, south of and very near Dulles Intl., I work very close to the NRO HQ). Been up here on the 4th floor of my building looking;-)
Thretcon B is now in effect in the Military Distrect of Washington/National Capital Region.
Verizon is asking all people to stay off of ANY phone (wireless or landline) in the DC area.
Ahem... actually, I did read the article. What portion of it do you *assume* that I missed?
BTW, the title that I submitted was "DCS100 aka Carnivour goes wireless!"
"The Washington Post Tech Section is running this story FBI's 'Carnivore'
Might Target Wireless Text.
Humm... can't be that part...
Apparently, since the industry can't provide big brothering to the satisfaction of the FBI the FBI will will do it *for* them.
Was not a quote from the article, it alludes to the industry itself saying that it can not meet a 30 Sept. deadline for providing eavesdropping services to the FBI.
This is a collector's item too,
with no mention in article of DCS1000 being used to "save" children!"
Perhaps you saw a "save the children" refrence that I am still missing?
Obviously the most entertaining, if not a bit far fetched, Sci-Fi on TV is C-SPAN and C-SPAN2 (especially during tech related hearings) with Court TV running a distant third.
Cops is great fiction, but lacks the level of science required to be called Science Fiction.
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This OLD idea (se parent to this post) was dusted off 19 years ago for the World's Fair in Knoxville, but never implimented. There was some discussion that birds flying through the beam could be fried or something.
;-)
Also, as far as putting a narrow/small footprint on the ground, that technology is in use today. The satellite imagery downlink for the US military has a very small footprint. You can receive it at the Ft. Belvour, VA PX (right by the ground station), but if you get over to Davidson Army Airfield you are out of the footprint. Good luck decrypting the signal if you are not supposed to be receiving
Have not bothered to check in the last 200,000 miles (239,000+ right now) but was around 20 MPG back then, 5.5 yrs ago. Currently paying about $1.45 or so per gallon.
If I could not afford the gas I could not have afforded the payments either, oh well.
Yes, my stock 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport runs on hydrogen. The special fuel has a little carbon bonded with it and some other stuff.
Been purchasing at Exxon and several other outlets that specialize in this revolutionary fuel. They are trying so hard to get the word out that if you purchase more than $5.00 of the stuff you get a discount on a car wash!
Clinton Suspended from Arguing Before High Court also "In other action, the court rejected arguments that FBI blunders should give Oklahoma City bombing co-defendant Terry Nichols the chance for a new trial."
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Got to my office, well outside of the washington beltway, just over an hour ago. The eerieness is just setting in...
Yesterday, the parking lot next door was empty by 1 PM, pretty odd but did not notice at the time. Back to full today.
The most eery thing is the silence out here now. As mentioned in parent to this post, we are on the approach path to IAD. We usually have airplanes landing at minimum seperation, jet noise all day. Not today. No news here on when airports will resume operations. Yesterday they said noon today, today they are not saying.
The Pentagon is open again today. None of our employees (just my group) that work there were injured, but some of their offices were destroyed either in the initial attack or with the fires that crept through after. Some had offices in the "B" ring. We are trying to make office space for them here.
One guy was unaccounted for yesterday. He had decided to stop by the office here in Chantilly before going to the Pentagon. Big bosses could not find him and he was right here in a cube the whole time. One of the DCS offices that we work with is missing 38 people. They had just moved into the "E" ring, it's now a hole.
The latest guess is that 800 people could be dead. Good thing that the wedge that was hit had just been renovated but not fully occupied or there would have been thousands.
Everybody is talking about our interesting stories in dealing with/reassuring relatives (mine in parent post), along with "what should be done."
Box cutters, knives and a few manuals, loud voices, turn off the transponder... I am amazed that something like this had not occurred a long time ago, but taken back a bit at the extent of damage that 3 passenger planes can do...
As soon as we learned how to keep the helicopter straight and level we were taught to point the aircraft at a water tower and fly to it (not through it). This was one of the first things we were taught in Army flight school, basic "driving" of the machine, then how to crudely get it to a destination. Hard to believe that it was almost 20 years ago, but that day of instruction crept into my head right after seeing the second airplane hit WTC. That is about the only skill these guys needed to pull off their attack.
Called in to the Army office that I worked for a few years ago, as a reservist, and let them know I am still around if they need any help. Left a voicemail. Their parent org was right where the big hole in the Pentagon is now.
Here inn the States it will have to be some soret of law enforcement, like the sky-marshals arm of the federal marshall service. Using the military violates the "Posse Comotatas (sp?)" statute.
Skip the fact that the existance of federal cops are not an enumerated power, thus a violation of the constitution itself... hey... maybe ya got a point...
Ummm, if the NYC terrorists could not see the WTC buildings at altitude, how would they be able to hit the WTC?
If the erather was not good, visually at both DC and NYC, at the same time on the same day, how could the pilots hit all 3 targets?
It is *possible* to do all of this with LORAN or GPS, but the way WTC #2 was flying, I REALLY doubt it.
Sorry, just experience, not theory.
All that I heard was there was a HELICOPTER in the vacinity (not a prop driven fixted wing), that moved to the opposite side of the Pentagon as the commercial flight was crashing.
Look up my name and see other threads.
Shortly before the report of the commercial plane, hijacked bear DC and cruising around the Dulles area, AFTER the FAA announced that all airflights were grounded and all civilian flights will land at closest airfield, I saw a Northwest DC9 landing north on the left IAD approach (almost crosses over NRO HQ). A Navy plane was landing shortly after on the right runway.
That was the LAST civilian flight I saw all day, but shortly after I heard an F-16 on afterburners. Later the report of a hijacked airliner in the IAD area was reported as false.
Ahem...
I propose that Sept 11 was selected because the team was in place for weeks waiting for good weather over all targets at the same time.
Only saw video of WTC 2 strike. If all of the terrorist pilots had that skill level, they needed good visibility, i.e., he was too wobbly to be a seasoned instrumet pilot.
I suspect that the whole bunch laid in wait until the weather was right in both DC and NYC before they even left for Logan, Newark and Dulles.
Yes, some of you know me as one of the "old" DC2600 guys. A scant few of you know me as a Defense Contractor employee that works on the US Army Aviation Budget as my "real" job.
The day began slow, was running late for work, showed up moments before the first WTC strike. Checked with boss on anything new since day before and when he is going to the National Guard Readiness Center. Nothing new.
WTOP is the only radio station that comes in at my cube, in Chantilly, VA, near the NRO (see other posts, other threads). WTOP reports that an airplane has hit WTC 1. I metion it to a co worker, retired 10 days ago Army Aviation instructor and other cool stuff (he was an instructor there when I was in flight school). Both of us sluff it off as just some dope flying in the wrong place.
A little while later, WTOP reports plane 2 hits WTC 2. I grab a more receptive audience, Larry the retired Command Seargents Major of the National Guard. We listen to the radio, dicuss what is up and start specuating. Yes, we began joking too... I offered a bet that the pilots were Allied students of Mark's from the mid '80s (Aviator mentioned above) from Lebenon... seeinng the MSNBC stream on the net sayig that AC #2 definately had a "PLO control touch"... etc.
Pentagon gets hit, Larry and others start calling our employees that work in the Pentagon and elsewhere in the area (we work on our firms site, we have people that work on client sites). Everybody is fine...
Talk ensues of units being mobilized (some of us are sitll reservists), what will happen (check end or this post), etc.
My family lives in TN, just remembering that mom has said that I work in the Pentagon for 7 years, even though I never have worked there, just visit the building on occasion for work or to impress my son. Call mom, remind her that I am safe and sound in Chantilly, VA, right by the NRO, directly on the approach path to Dulles Airport (yes, the paths of the planes landig orth, right runway, bisect my building) and I STILL do not work in the Pentagon. Concience satisfied.
News of a hijacked plane around Dulles, with F-16s in persuit gets to the office. 2 of us went outside to look for the chase. All we heard/saw was afterburer noise... went back to the 4th floor to get a better view.
Got e-mail from mom, aknowledgig my voicemeail. Sister had sent her a message asking if I was at Pentagon today (sorry, I do not work inside the beltway, aka getto), they were glad I was okay. Replied with story of looking for the dogfight (eventually was revealed as false report).
Folks with families here began going home just after lunch, big bosses begin telling us to go home. I tell them that I will stay, son (18) in TN only knows my work number, doubt that he is that worried about me but I want to be by the phone in case he is worried. Forwarded e-mail between me and mom to him.
Office gets deserted as I polish up some work and watch whatever web streams of the crashes I can find. Sr. VP comes through and asks if we had accountability of all of our people on client sites "as far as I know, yes, everybody is fine."
Head out for some dinner, deli is open, not playig radio, relaxing with an Italian Sausage sub. Head back to Reston, VA, cruise into the Town Center to grab a beer. Looks like a Rod Serling TV show, buildings intact, no people. Main drive through the place is closed off, almost everything is closed. Watch MSNBC and CNN in "Bistro! Bistro!", chat about the events with my trusty bartender, Mark Mac, and with others. Create conspiracies "it was the FIRA (French IRA), supported by the un-holy alliance of the Illuminati and the Masons"
Happy hour ends at 7, I get home to try to call Emmanuel of 2600 Magazine, "Off the Hook" is on soon, he might wat a voice from the DC area. No dice, phones still overloaded (sincerly thought that the phone emergecy was over).
Since I have been conditioned for over 22 years to be calm in events like this, I still am, but twinges of emotion creep in, anger, sadness, etc. since I am mentally waiting to be ready to do somethig, but in reality i don't have anythig to do in this situation, unless I get a phonecall from the Army.
My heart goes out to all of you that have experienced a loss today.
Granted, the intel guys *might* have been able to see this in advance, but these attacks were trivial to plan and conduct. DO NOT LET THE POLICE FORCES TURN THIS INTO AN EXCUSE FOR A POLICE STATE!
Just a few moments ago WTOP - FM, Washington DC, interviewed a Congressman (sorry, missed his name) and the Congressman confirmed that the PA crash was from a shoot down by US Military.
d =1 87235 indicates that some sort of explosion happened before the plane went down.
Note: info is from a Congressman, could be total BS, ya never know. Might be why WTOP is not running it on their website, but the descriptoin from a witness on the plane in this story:
http://www.wtop.com/news/news-story.jhtml?NewsI
The same radio story reported that the Congressional Leadership has been evacuated to their safe facility.
Flight 77 is confirmed to be the one that hit the Pentagon. A Congressional aide was on the flight and reporting to someone by cell phone about what was going on.
Latest from WTPOP-FM Washington, DC/Manassas, VA
Mayor Williams of DC has just declaired state of emergency in DC. DC Government closed.
VA Governor declairs State of Emergency.
Camp David airplane crash report is false.
Regan National Airport to remain closed until at least 1100 12 Sep 2001
Massive gridlock leaving DC, similar to the first flake of snow day in this area (locals will know what I mean).
Reminders that low flying aircraft around Dulles and National Airports are US MILITARY aircraft, NOT foreign.
Reminders to stay off the phone.
There is a big hole IN the Pentagon where an airplane crashed into it. It is ONLY 5 stories tall (well, there is that *alleged* basement), 5 sides, 5 rings. A 300 foot hole can not swollow the worlds most massive office building.
Plane crashed by the helliport, on the Southwest side. Most reports are that it hit between the E and D rings (outermost ring is E).
Not sure if this was the wedge that is currently under renovation or not.
There are confirmed dead adults in the building. None of the children in the daycare center were harmed. All of the children are accounted for and safe.
Verizon is asking everybody in the DC area to stay off of ANY phone line unless it is an emergency.
372nd Military Police Command Activated (not 377th blablabla)
Just after first attack, US Military Aircraft were launched in NY and DC with orders to shoot down any hostile looking aircraft.
News from WTOP FM, Manassas/Washington DC
;-)
All members of 377th told to report for duty.
VA National Guard Mobilized
There are dead at the Pentagon. NONE OF THE CHILDREN IN THE PENTAGON DAYCARE WERE HARMED (thank G_d).
Nothing new on 2nd suspected hijacked airplane in DC area (I heard the F-16's flying around out here, south of and very near Dulles Intl., I work very close to the NRO HQ). Been up here on the 4th floor of my building looking
Thretcon B is now in effect in the Military Distrect of Washington/National Capital Region.
Verizon is asking all people to stay off of ANY phone (wireless or landline) in the DC area.
I work in Chantilly, VA, my local home is Reston, VA and real home is Knoxville, TN.
Not even allowed to telecomute on snow days!
UGH!
Ahem... actually, I did read the article. What portion of it do you *assume* that I missed?
BTW, the title that I submitted was "DCS100 aka Carnivour goes wireless!"
"The Washington Post Tech Section is running this story FBI's 'Carnivore'
Might Target Wireless Text.
Humm... can't be that part...
Apparently, since the industry can't provide big brothering to the satisfaction of the FBI the FBI will will do it *for* them.
Was not a quote from the article, it alludes to the industry itself saying that it can not meet a 30 Sept. deadline for providing eavesdropping services to the FBI.
This is a collector's item too,
with no mention in article of DCS1000 being used to "save" children!"
Perhaps you saw a "save the children" refrence that I am still missing?
I hear that Dr. Forbin is being trained by a child-like computer that destroys cities when it does not get its way.
Wonder if they are sharing info? Better not cut the data connections, they could get really mad!
Obviously the most entertaining, if not a bit far fetched, Sci-Fi on TV is C-SPAN and C-SPAN2 (especially during tech related hearings) with Court TV running a distant third.
Cops is great fiction, but lacks the level of science required to be called Science Fiction.
Well, PotA was "consistant" with the horses, just like "Star Wars" is consistant with sound in space.
;-)
BTW, SW is fiction too
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The book was about european class differences.
This movie is a retelling of the book, not a re-doing of the last time the book was torn to shreds.
This movie is good, but a different "good" from the first and at least nods at the book, something the first movie ever did.
Why are so many people so dedicated to the first movie? It followed almost othing from the book and was hobbled by crappy tech and a low budget?
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At last! A post that makes perfect sense!
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The ending is from the origonal BOOK by Pierre Boule.
The origonal *movie* is NOTHING LIKE the book.
This movie has NOTHING to do with the origonal movie and little to do with the origonal book.
All 3 are works of fiction, thus explaining the horses in the most recent movie.
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The ending does work if flipperboy's theory is applied.
The middle is still a mess with unexplained horsies. Where did the horsies come from!?
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