Is it a hoax? Yes, in that MSFT wouldn't use Seimens. But, think about it... what if MSFT used some of its money to "make" a Linux distro, extend it, and develop MSFT Office for it. All they need do is add some of their PATENTED software and then...
Yeah, that's a good idea. Split moderators into Good Cop Moderators (who bestow + points on comments) and Bad Cop Moderators (who thwack the moles with - points). But let people decline the honor. Some are too squeamish to thwack the moles and some are too evil to reward good posts.
But how about two Good Cops for every one Bad Cop?
Yeah. Stats are good. It would be nice to click on a link on user prefs to see how many are at what karma level. And maybe a Top Ten High Karma list. But no Bottom Ten Low Karma list, or they might try to get more bad karma.
Moderation of one's own posts: Maybe if it's a lousy post, we could change it by clicking an OOPS checkbox - which would turn it into an AC and assign it a -1 but not count against our karma.
Good point. By promoting the clique, we may be creating the equivalent of the Trenchcoat Gang, who will use extreme measures to take out Slashdot or Rob or whatever.
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Nah! Just get a life... if you aren't a slashdotter, why are you posting here?
Seriously, though, it should cost HALF as much to moderate down -1 as it does to moderate up +1. That way we can nuke the trolls without running out of points as fast.
AND we should have to moderate AT LEAST ONE POST +1. If we want to use up all our moderation points. This means, for Joe Blow, that he could moderate 8 Trolls down -1 and, if there were NO good posts (unlikely), couldn't use the last point, unless he moderated AT LEAST ONE post up +1 (Insightful).
I too think that it would be useful to be able for real users (not ACs) to moderate up or down an AC post. But I think that we should only allow this to happen +1 to -2 for this feature. Call it "instant moderation karma". That way, an AC at 0 could quickly go down to -2, or at most up to +1 without a "true" moderator having to use up all the moderation points.
When I moderated a thread, I couldn't moderate all the trolls down - there were just way too many.
Yeah, taking a whole month off is the right attitude. I just met (on a shuttle bus from SeaTac) an Irish nurse who's working in Seattle on contract, but who's thinking of going back to work in France for a while (she was just in Paris for a week). Maybe I'll join her...
Well, some of us are lazy ...
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Seriously. Only Americans have such short vacations.
Me, I've got 4 weeks starting, going up to 6 weeks in the 5th year. The only way to fly...
Actually turned down another job as I would have had to start over with 2 weeks - told them to pay me more and do leave without pay, but "that might create a precedent". Whatever...
The reason why it hit the east side is the overuse of MS Mail and Outlook s/w. People who bought NT and suchlike and were actually using it at the time. Where I work we only got hit when the CIO posted a doc that someone had brought in from working at home. It couldn't flood the network, as we don't use that (we use Groupwise), and our permissions are pretty strict. Plus the Norton A/V picked it up early on.
But, while Seattle was mostly unscathed, it really hit Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland, Issaquah, and some other cities across the water. But they didn't admit that publicly.
No, it didn't hurt the Cisco routers (yes, own stock in that too), including my DSL stuff.
But my point being that we (the US) did NOT escape Melissa, we just didn't get totally taken down.
Disclaimer - after a looonnnnggg time, this poster owns shares in Red Hat. Woo Hoo!
Actually, I think you've got some good points there. I don't know about buying SCO (depends on the price), but grabbing a significant stake might be a good idea. And I love the part about helping out Borland and other tool providers.
However, my personal interest is that Red Hat stock prices drop. So I can buy some more. Stop going up! Please...
Picky, picky. Email servers shut down, networks flooded, smells like "damaged a network" to everyone except netgeeks. Doing a full restore and clean wipe on all your email servers for a full day sure counts in most people's books as a "damaged network".
My point being that the US did not get off scot free and the damage was WORSE than was admitted to in public. I'm basing this on a number of friends who admitted the same while the public perception was that they were ok.
Redmond is just one of the cities across the water from Seattle. Kirkland and Issaquah are some of the others.
Try reading the post I was replying to before posting as an AC next time.
There were a number of damaged systems and networks across Lake Washington as a result of this, not just Microsoft itself. But none of those companies wanted to publicize their vulnerability.
My point is, if we pay too much attention to the waves (courts), we lose sight of the fact that this last wave (MSFT appeal) is meaningless pap.
If this had happened six months ago, I'd worry. Right now, MSFT already SHIPPED W2K and O2K, so they've missed the Christmas deadline. Which means they have to do it as a dis\\\service pack.
Which means most people won't install it.
The Java boat is too far out in the channel to be worried at this point and the market forces are pushing it with too much momentum to worry about this minor setback. Since the main anti-trust case is not in remedy stage, MSFT is forced to sit on its hands, so as to avoid worse penalties as a reaction.
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Is it a hoax? Yes, in that MSFT wouldn't use Seimens. But, think about it ... what if MSFT used some of its money to "make" a Linux distro, extend it, and develop MSFT Office for it. All they need do is add some of their PATENTED software and then ...
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Luckily for you, they have massive egos.
For now
Yeah, that's a good idea. Split moderators into Good Cop Moderators (who bestow + points on comments) and Bad Cop Moderators (who thwack the moles with - points). But let people decline the honor. Some are too squeamish to thwack the moles and some are too evil to reward good posts.
But how about two Good Cops for every one Bad Cop?
Maybe Bill G will give high negative karma users stock options?
... and it's a pretty cheap way to reward one's helpers ...
Hey, it could happen
Yeah. Stats are good. It would be nice to click on a link on user prefs to see how many are at what karma level. And maybe a Top Ten High Karma list. But no Bottom Ten Low Karma list, or they might try to get more bad karma.
Moderation of one's own posts: Maybe if it's a lousy post, we could change it by clicking an OOPS checkbox - which would turn it into an AC and assign it a -1 but not count against our karma.
Good point. By promoting the clique, we may be creating the equivalent of the Trenchcoat Gang, who will use extreme measures to take out Slashdot or Rob or whatever.
... if you aren't a slashdotter, why are you posting here?
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Nah! Just get a life
;-)
Or was that derision ...
Seriously, though, it should cost HALF as much to moderate down -1 as it does to moderate up +1. That way we can nuke the trolls without running out of points as fast.
AND we should have to moderate AT LEAST ONE POST +1. If we want to use up all our moderation points. This means, for Joe Blow, that he could moderate 8 Trolls down -1 and, if there were NO good posts (unlikely), couldn't use the last point, unless he moderated AT LEAST ONE post up +1 (Insightful).
So, in theory, all the M2s could end up turning Rob into a -10 karmic logon?
Whoa! My head's spinning at the thought.
Quite true. Or at least it was for my brother ...
For example, we would moderate the post this replies to down, as it is one looonnnnggg run-on sentence and it hurts the brain to read it.
... darn.
;-)
But, if you ignore the structure, it was actually an Informative post.
So, it falls between the cracks
Umm, not true.
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But I think the option to post at lower karma is a good one. Sometimes I would love to just post as a 1 because I'm just saying something average.
And then there are all those ethnic or OS debates, where almost everyone should post at 0 or 1. Kind of like the Jar Jar effect
I too think that it would be useful to be able for real users (not ACs) to moderate up or down an AC post. But I think that we should only allow this to happen +1 to -2 for this feature. Call it "instant moderation karma". That way, an AC at 0 could quickly go down to -2, or at most up to +1 without a "true" moderator having to use up all the moderation points.
When I moderated a thread, I couldn't moderate all the trolls down - there were just way too many.
But one wonders how one can envisage referring to oneself in the second person, if one wishes to avoid the third person?
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Inquiring minds want Dr. No
Yeah, taking a whole month off is the right attitude. I just met (on a shuttle bus from SeaTac) an Irish nurse who's working in Seattle on contract, but who's thinking of going back to work in France for a while (she was just in Paris for a week). Maybe I'll join her ...
Really.
Seriously. Only Americans have such short vacations.
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Me, I've got 4 weeks starting, going up to 6 weeks in the 5th year. The only way to fly...
Actually turned down another job as I would have had to start over with 2 weeks - told them to pay me more and do leave without pay, but "that might create a precedent". Whatever
The reason why it hit the east side is the overuse of MS Mail and Outlook s/w. People who bought NT and suchlike and were actually using it at the time. Where I work we only got hit when the CIO posted a doc that someone had brought in from working at home. It couldn't flood the network, as we don't use that (we use Groupwise), and our permissions are pretty strict. Plus the Norton A/V picked it up early on.
But, while Seattle was mostly unscathed, it really hit Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland, Issaquah, and some other cities across the water. But they didn't admit that publicly.
No, it didn't hurt the Cisco routers (yes, own stock in that too), including my DSL stuff.
But my point being that we (the US) did NOT escape Melissa, we just didn't get totally taken down.
At least he told you he was biased.
So, let's moderate your post down, ok?
;-)
Disclaimer: I wish I owned more shares of Red Hat, so sell yours after the 30 day mark so I can buy it cheap.
Disclaimer - after a looonnnnggg time, this poster owns shares in Red Hat. Woo Hoo!
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Actually, I think you've got some good points there. I don't know about buying SCO (depends on the price), but grabbing a significant stake might be a good idea. And I love the part about helping out Borland and other tool providers.
However, my personal interest is that Red Hat stock prices drop. So I can buy some more. Stop going up! Please
Picky, picky. Email servers shut down, networks flooded, smells like "damaged a network" to everyone except netgeeks. Doing a full restore and clean wipe on all your email servers for a full day sure counts in most people's books as a "damaged network".
My point being that the US did not get off scot free and the damage was WORSE than was admitted to in public. I'm basing this on a number of friends who admitted the same while the public perception was that they were ok.
Redmond is just one of the cities across the water from Seattle. Kirkland and Issaquah are some of the others.
Try reading the post I was replying to before posting as an AC next time.
There were a number of damaged systems and networks across Lake Washington as a result of this, not just Microsoft itself. But none of those companies wanted to publicize their vulnerability.
Even a few firms in Seattle proper were hit.
Aim for their masts, men!
;-)
OK, well, server-side Java. We use it here. It's nifty. We don't use the MSFT version.
... ... you guys need to lighten up.
And if I gave you my email, I'd get more than my usual 40 emails a day. And no, that's not spam.
Last time I try to be humorous around here
nah, just kidding
It's called sarcasm.
sigh
My point is, if we pay too much attention to the waves (courts), we lose sight of the fact that this last wave (MSFT appeal) is meaningless pap.
If this had happened six months ago, I'd worry. Right now, MSFT already SHIPPED W2K and O2K, so they've missed the Christmas deadline. Which means they have to do it as a dis\\\service pack.
Which means most people won't install it.
The Java boat is too far out in the channel to be worried at this point and the market forces are pushing it with too much momentum to worry about this minor setback. Since the main anti-trust case is not in remedy stage, MSFT is forced to sit on its hands, so as to avoid worse penalties as a reaction.
Woo Hoo!
(to quote Sabrina)
Hmmm. Questions you have, yes? Wish to use sound card in Linux box, no? Forgot to put UPS order in before lightning strike, yes?
Seriously, I don't have a sound card enabled in my browser at work, and I tend to page down past the annoying ads, so I had no idea about that.
Seriously. Sure, they can expand the market of C coders on Linux, but why would people who want GPL or free compilers switch?
I will quite happily use C++ Builder myself, but then, I've got apps to write.