Perl is good, for almost everything. Need a quick and dirty script? Perl can do that for you, just a few lines, hook it up and your ready to go.
Need it to hook up with databases? They have DBI for that. Need it to make graphics? Use the GD module from CPAN. Need something else? Alot of stuff has been created before and you can find it at CPAN?
Alot of people point to perl's "slowness." In short CGI programs, in C or Perl, I haven't noticed a difference. If you need something for a big program, try using mod_perl, which is arguably when you move from CGI to just an application. Where I work we have a large shopping cart hooked up to MySQL via DBI and it runs under mod_perl. It's one of the fastest out there. It's faster than a similiar one in ASP(expected), in C(mod_perl keeps the compiled code in memory, so it's a memory/speed tradeoff, which is why, I guess).
It doesn't take much time to make CGI program in perl either. Also, once your used to the language, you can find and fix problems easily.
That's just my thoughts and opinions, flames to/dev/null and my reply flames from/dev/urandom
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With Microsoft's judgement, anything is possible now, and more and more regular people are moving towards Linux, and I mean normal people who still barely can use Windows.
And in my opinion, although this is more off-topic, Windows has a learning curve, same as linux, but if you get someone to set-up linux on the box and teach the person, they'll be better at it than they would have been at windows, because alot of people hate teaching windows to newbies (i.e. "Why did it Crash?" "It always crashes.").
Yeah, but it sounds like vendor support will be increasing as more vendors move to support linux, they are looking for something even more cross-platform and Be will most likely get some of the benefits, and with Microsoft's future undetermined as of now, well, who knows what could happen?
> How many other systems come with apps that give > you haiku error messages? Now that's just > cool...
For more complex tasks than a simple CGI script Perl seems unwieldly
Perl is insanely powerful, especially with CPAN, and for CGI use mod_perl. For simple CGI script's to complex ones. For more complex tasks is seems unwieldly? Production times are much more when using something like Java/C/C++ and many others. Perl also comes on most OS'es these days. It has a long history of being a CGI language. One CGI I have which is about 1,300 lines right now is simple to debug, add new features, and speed up parts of it. We're using mod_perl, so it runs much faster than before, despite some bottlenecks I have in there still, since it's still in development. I also decided to change the program into an OO program so we could customize it for our clients, that took about 10 minutes, and now I have all the advantages and disadvantages of object oriented programs. I can change it back simply too, if I ever wanted to.
even now technologies such as ASP and JSP are taking over the server-side processing domain.
I'll go ahead and forget that you didn't mention PHP. ASP is proprietary, for NT, unless you use a commercial program, or an ASP interpreter, written in Perl by the way. JSP is based on Java, which still does not have as much territory as Perl, and is much harder to debug. With mod_perl running, and a properly create program, you have the speed of ASP and JSP, more flexibility(excluding JSP, which is based on a full language).
IMHO Perl has no real domain in which it is better than everything else - so why is it so popular? Can someone please tell me?
Again, see CPAN. With Perl you can create anything from a simple text-processor to a fully featured web application using mod_perl, to a powerful workstation application using QT, GTK, both, or more. With a little knowledge of C/C++ you can create perl modules out of C/C++ libraries, and with C/C++ you can use perl code in your application. Need to make some graphs? There are several modules that'll help you, most of the work is done, just feed in the data and how you want it to look like. Check out CPAN for what is available, and check out perl.org for more information.
Your right! With hundreds or even thousands of people getting the FreeBSD source EACH DAY, and people like me getting it each week, it would be difficult, under the license, to make a new FreeBSD based off of FreeBSD and keep it Free. Although, it would have have the BSDi code in it too. Your right, it would be impossible, even though I would be one of the first in lines to offer my source code that I keep on my system. Before you type, know what your typing about. I bet you don't even know what the GPL or BSD license is, do you?
I go to high school now, I have one year, after this one, left, and I am ready to drop out and get my GED and go to college. Obviously, if there are this many people(including me) not liking their high school experience then there is obviously some problem, either with the social status of the world or with the public school system not providing help, offering help, or offering protection. Maybe even something else. Either way there is something wrong.
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Perl is good, for almost everything. Need a quick and dirty script? Perl can do that for you, just a few lines, hook it up and your ready to go.
/dev/null and my reply flames from /dev/urandom
Need it to hook up with databases? They have DBI for that. Need it to make graphics? Use the GD module from CPAN. Need something else? Alot of stuff has been created before and you can find it at CPAN?
Alot of people point to perl's "slowness." In short CGI programs, in C or Perl, I haven't noticed a difference. If you need something for a big program, try using mod_perl, which is arguably when you move from CGI to just an application. Where I work we have a large shopping cart hooked up to MySQL via DBI and it runs under mod_perl. It's one of the fastest out there. It's faster than a similiar one in ASP(expected), in C(mod_perl keeps the compiled code in memory, so it's a memory/speed tradeoff, which is why, I guess).
It doesn't take much time to make CGI program in perl either. Also, once your used to the language, you can find and fix problems easily.
That's just my thoughts and opinions, flames to
With Microsoft's judgement, anything is possible now, and more and more regular people are moving towards Linux, and I mean normal people who still barely can use Windows.
And in my opinion, although this is more off-topic, Windows has a learning curve, same as linux, but if you get someone to set-up linux on the box and teach the person, they'll be better at it than they would have been at windows, because alot of people hate teaching windows to newbies (i.e. "Why did it Crash?" "It always crashes.").
Yeah, but it sounds like vendor support will be increasing as more vendors move to support linux, they are looking for something even more cross-platform and Be will most likely get some of the benefits, and with Microsoft's future undetermined as of now, well, who knows what could happen?
> How many other systems come with apps that give
> you haiku error messages? Now that's just
> cool...
BeOS does that? Sweet. I know with perl you can:
use Coy;
die("Doh");
and it'll do it. =)
after all it adds little to what awk and sed have been doing for years.
Try checking CPAN out.
For more complex tasks than a simple CGI script Perl seems unwieldly
Perl is insanely powerful, especially with CPAN, and for CGI use mod_perl. For simple CGI script's to complex ones. For more complex tasks is seems unwieldly? Production times are much more when using something like Java/C/C++ and many others. Perl also comes on most OS'es these days. It has a long history of being a CGI language. One CGI I have which is about 1,300 lines right now is simple to debug, add new features, and speed up parts of it. We're using mod_perl, so it runs much faster than before, despite some bottlenecks I have in there still, since it's still in development. I also decided to change the program into an OO program so we could customize it for our clients, that took about 10 minutes, and now I have all the advantages and disadvantages of object oriented programs. I can change it back simply too, if I ever wanted to.
even now technologies such as ASP and JSP are taking over the server-side processing domain.
I'll go ahead and forget that you didn't mention PHP. ASP is proprietary, for NT, unless you use a commercial program, or an ASP interpreter, written in Perl by the way. JSP is based on Java, which still does not have as much territory as Perl, and is much harder to debug. With mod_perl running, and a properly create program, you have the speed of ASP and JSP, more flexibility(excluding JSP, which is based on a full language).
IMHO Perl has no real domain in which it is better than everything else - so why is it so popular? Can someone please tell me?
Again, see CPAN. With Perl you can create anything from a simple text-processor to a fully featured web application using mod_perl, to a powerful workstation application using QT, GTK, both, or more. With a little knowledge of C/C++ you can create perl modules out of C/C++ libraries, and with C/C++ you can use perl code in your application. Need to make some graphs? There are several modules that'll help you, most of the work is done, just feed in the data and how you want it to look like. Check out CPAN for what is available, and check out perl.org for more information.
Your right! With hundreds or even thousands of people getting the FreeBSD source EACH DAY, and people like me getting it each week, it would be difficult, under the license, to make a new FreeBSD based off of FreeBSD and keep it Free. Although, it would have have the BSDi code in it too. Your right, it would be impossible, even though I would be one of the first in lines to offer my source code that I keep on my system. Before you type, know what your typing about. I bet you don't even know what the GPL or BSD license is, do you?
It worked pretty good for me. The sounds isn't perfect, if you really want that get OSS(which is on my list of to-get items).
I go to high school now, I have one year, after this one, left, and I am ready to drop out and get my GED and go to college. Obviously, if there
are this many people(including me) not liking
their high school experience then there is obviously some problem, either with the social status of the world or with the public school system not providing help, offering help, or offering protection. Maybe even something else. Either way there is something wrong.