Working over in the sense of being battered and bruised and no longer taken seriously. That, and altered modern interpretations, leaves us with the government we have today.:(
That was my thought too. "Effects" is "any damned thing you own that we didn't think of offhand, but might not be precisely homes or papers." In short, anything that is YOURS. How is this not clear?? How would electronic anything be exempt??
Besides, the Constitution is not a list of things We The People may do or not do. It is a list of things the Government MUST do and MUST NOT do, and with respect to that government, the Constitution is indeed in the form of "all things not compulsory are forbidden".
I swear, our whole government is becoming one big April Fools joke, with We The People cast as the fools.:(
Exactly -- but observationally, many don't have a clue about ANY part of their district other than the squeaky wheels.
I've noticed tho, that the ones who have a clue are also most likely to maintain a bunch of local offices and to regularly do town hall meetings and suchlike, all in the name of getting average citizens' input.
"When you don't exactly know who has right of way, you tend to seek eye contact with other road users,"
That's dandy if there are only 2 or 3 of you at any given intersection. Not so dandy if there are 10 or 20 cars present, all of whom have to base their next decision on someone else's PERCEPTION of what still other people are going to do next.
If you want to experience the resulting congestion for yourself, just set the traffic lights to flash red at any busy multilane intersection, so it's forced to function like a giant four-way stop. Traffic winds up backed up for blocks, or even miles.
Alone of all countries in the world, America *developed* as a driving nation, and maybe we should stop trying to emulate road construction techniques from countries that came late to the party and don't have this mass and depth of experience. Reinventing the wheel in response to the faddism of "imported techniques" is only going to result in mismatched wheels of dysfunctional shapes.
And from TFA, it looked to me like the affected rats were also on a diet with not enough protein, which will ALSO make you munchy. As will, eventually, any diet that is deficient in basic nutrients -- after a certain point the body starts to act like it just can't get enough and you eat everything in sight.
Absolutely. I'm reminded of this every time I'm at my mechanic's... his shop is always full of newish vehicles with mystery ailments due to some fault in the computerized controls or components. Conversely, NO mechanical control system on my truck has failed, and it is 32 years old.
Well, yes, I agree -- cutting copyright back to its originally intended period would largely uncouple it from corporate greed, since it wouldn't be worth protecting after a certain point anyway -- so they'd be more inclined to focus on new content instead of on old tired content. Which of course was the whole idea behind a LIMITED copyright period in the first place, to encourage new stuff and to enlarge the public domain.
As to stuff that's out of copyright, there's a good business printing classics and such, so it's not like there's no money to be made with public domain works. Indeed, I'd guess that many old novels have sold far more copies after they became public domain. And there's always a market for music and film classics, same deal.
Well, if you assume a totally closed-door setup that you don't bring stuff in and out of (ever or pretty close to it) that reduces the issue. Personally I'd toss in a bag of silicon marbles just to make sure.
BTW do you always attempt identity theft on folks you disagree with?;)
Unfortunately that's how the current generation of management think -- they've got Ivy-League business degrees but have never actually BUILT a business from the ground up, so they only think of maximizing short-term profits. If that costs them a much larger long-term profit, or even kills the business, well, we got ours today, if the business dies tomorrow because we were so short-sighted, too bad! we'll move on to another business and gut it the same way.
It's not just the music industry that's afflicted with this.:(
And of course if they did go with a seeds-and-microsales business model, they'd be giving up that monopoly control over their content, and we can't have THAT either... they'd rather have 100% of a finite and shrinking pie, than a small percent of a vastly larger and growing pie that could ultimately make them a LOT more money, if properly managed to take advantage of the economics of scale that filesharing would allow.
The cell system of security, yes -- you can vouch for yourself and the 2 or 3 people you know, but you can't vouch for any of the 2 or 3 people each of your 2 or 3 contacts knows. The advantage is that if it's compromised and those members are removed, it immediately breaks at that point so most of the system remains safe. The disadvantage is that any single person can't know how much of the system is compromised *without* members being removed, nor how close he is to being betrayed.
So.. infiltrations don't go far, but if you have enough of them you can significantly compromise the cell network's security.
Anyway, that's my problem with a subjective 'web of trust' -- I not only have to trust MY friends, I have to trust all THEIR friends, and all THEIR friends... many of whom might be people that I myself would not trust.
As you say, it also limits what data is available, since each node of trust filters out any data that node is not interested in (unless there's some requirement that every node carry all data).
Personally I'd like to see a web of micropayments, where you get paid a few cents for every copy you seed that gets converted into a sale, and where the price is nominal enough that a lot of people will pay the little amount for a known-good file rather than have to scrounge it from the back alleys of the net. Cash-strapped teens everywhere would cheerfully seed everything in the whole catalog. This could easily be done by watermarking files and running the system thru a custom bittorrent tracker. Yeah, there'd be lots of freeloaders, but there'd also be lots of people who'd pay a little bit just for the convenience. The object here is to make it folks' FIRST place to get files, increasing the chance that some will be sales (instead of driving them away and eventually zeroing out your sales).
It's exactly like how when DVDs get cheap enough, I buy them to save myself the nuisance of a long and iffy download, and the store (effectively the "seeder") makes a small commission for the end sale.
Or for a greater level of personal anonymity, the local bus system (which now has wi-fi) -- that even gets rid of the possibility of location-specific identification, since you can stand by the side of the road and connect to passing busses.
Actually, I have seen condensation on a computer's case when the surrounding air temp was low enough that the hot components couldn't keep the case warm. So if the insides don't run hot enough to heat the case too, condensation on the case surface, which then drips, could still be a problem. Particularly on computers that have distinct temperature zones, as is commonly so with desktop models (not so much with laptops simply due to being so much smaller).
So.. you'd want to run your fridge at 55-60 degrees, to ensure that nothing gets below dew point. While they do dehumidify pretty well, there are still condensation zones where air circulation isn't as good.
True, but Celsius numbers just don't have the scare value of Fahrenheit temperatures;)
Tho as someone once pointed out, 0 to 100 is a much more *natural* numerical range if you're discussing human-comfortable environmental temperatures (rather than water-comfortable temps like Celsius refers to!), given that we tend to be creatures of base 10 (at least so long as we wear shoes;)
Crap, I'm so old that I still want to call it Centigrade!
So far it's failed to kill either myself or my livestock (which are 100% outdoors). I'm always out in it for an hour or so at peak temp cuz I've got stuff that needs doing (like check water for the stock). And I've spent an ENTIRE day working outside at 112F, more than once. Maybe if you stand around in the raw sun all day, don't wear a hat, don't drink any water, and aren't smart enough to wet your head and your Tshirt once in a while it'll get you, or if you get dehydrated enough to stop sweating, but my experience (having lived in the desert for 25 years) is that it's perfectly survivable on a daily basis.
At the opposite extreme, I've also lived (and worked outdoors) where -45 was the daily high in winter. You don't go stand naked in the snow either, but with ordinary preparation suitable for the environment, it's also perfectly survivable.
Humans are amazingly adaptable creatures... Tho actually, the heat is easier (as the population density at the equator vs near the poles can attest). The limiting factor on population is water, not temperature.
But I swear, the geek set has no common sense -- everyone talks like the only way to be out in such heat is to stand in the sun like a moron. They'd probably go outside in the snow in just their Tshirt and shorts too, then complain about frostbite and die of hypothermia.
Hmm, there's another question: Is there a laptop designed to work at subzero temperatures?? Standard hard disks quit working at about 55 degrees or so.
Actually, I don't have anything modern/hot enough to need a waterblock cooler, so no:)
I suppose you could put your non-rugged laptop inside a real fridge with defroster, but that would be a trifle large for putting under the desk!!
OTOH a real fridge might substitute for a server room, under severe conditions when it isn't practical to actually build a climate-controlled server room and you only need a handful or single rack worth of servers. Might even be quite cost-effective for construction and power costs in such situations.
Maybe you are, but I got the impression the inquiry was for outdoor use! Tho I doubt high air temperature is nearly the hazard that dust is, as the ultimate killer in those environments.
Tho one might get dripping from parts that aren't hot. And you'd have to turn off the fridge when the computer wasn't in use.
Most warranties don't cover water damage!
Still, there's probably something to the idea, if you set it so that it never reaches dew point. Fridges do seal fairly well, provided the door seal isn't damaged or dried out.
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Working over in the sense of being battered and bruised and no longer taken seriously. That, and altered modern interpretations, leaves us with the government we have today. :(
Sometimes change is not such a good thing.
That was my thought too. "Effects" is "any damned thing you own that we didn't think of offhand, but might not be precisely homes or papers." In short, anything that is YOURS. How is this not clear?? How would electronic anything be exempt??
Besides, the Constitution is not a list of things We The People may do or not do. It is a list of things the Government MUST do and MUST NOT do, and with respect to that government, the Constitution is indeed in the form of "all things not compulsory are forbidden".
I swear, our whole government is becoming one big April Fools joke, with We The People cast as the fools. :(
Exactly -- but observationally, many don't have a clue about ANY part of their district other than the squeaky wheels.
I've noticed tho, that the ones who have a clue are also most likely to maintain a bunch of local offices and to regularly do town hall meetings and suchlike, all in the name of getting average citizens' input.
How about an old uranium mine? ;)
"When you don't exactly know who has right of way, you tend to seek eye contact with other road users,"
That's dandy if there are only 2 or 3 of you at any given intersection. Not so dandy if there are 10 or 20 cars present, all of whom have to base their next decision on someone else's PERCEPTION of what still other people are going to do next.
If you want to experience the resulting congestion for yourself, just set the traffic lights to flash red at any busy multilane intersection, so it's forced to function like a giant four-way stop. Traffic winds up backed up for blocks, or even miles.
Alone of all countries in the world, America *developed* as a driving nation, and maybe we should stop trying to emulate road construction techniques from countries that came late to the party and don't have this mass and depth of experience. Reinventing the wheel in response to the faddism of "imported techniques" is only going to result in mismatched wheels of dysfunctional shapes.
Which is why I think the PP has a reasonable platform. They don't want to bulldoze the stadium, just level the playing field.
As to duration, 14 years plus an optional 7 year renewal would probably cover all reasonable uses of copyright.
And from TFA, it looked to me like the affected rats were also on a diet with not enough protein, which will ALSO make you munchy. As will, eventually, any diet that is deficient in basic nutrients -- after a certain point the body starts to act like it just can't get enough and you eat everything in sight.
Absolutely. I'm reminded of this every time I'm at my mechanic's... his shop is always full of newish vehicles with mystery ailments due to some fault in the computerized controls or components. Conversely, NO mechanical control system on my truck has failed, and it is 32 years old.
It's worse than that. Used to be only us humans had to wear tinfoil hats. Now our CARS need to wear tinfoil hats too!!
Haha... you'll have to go back 16 years online to finish that identity theft, not to mention filch a domain and a few other things ;)
Meanwhile, I think we'll lock you in the fridge. I'll expect a firsthand report on both dust and condensatioon issues in a few weeks.
Well, yes, I agree -- cutting copyright back to its originally intended period would largely uncouple it from corporate greed, since it wouldn't be worth protecting after a certain point anyway -- so they'd be more inclined to focus on new content instead of on old tired content. Which of course was the whole idea behind a LIMITED copyright period in the first place, to encourage new stuff and to enlarge the public domain.
As to stuff that's out of copyright, there's a good business printing classics and such, so it's not like there's no money to be made with public domain works. Indeed, I'd guess that many old novels have sold far more copies after they became public domain. And there's always a market for music and film classics, same deal.
An AC recommends, "You should take a look at Friend2Friend systems like http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/"
Thanks, this looks like an interesting option.
Well, if you assume a totally closed-door setup that you don't bring stuff in and out of (ever or pretty close to it) that reduces the issue. Personally I'd toss in a bag of silicon marbles just to make sure.
BTW do you always attempt identity theft on folks you disagree with? ;)
Unfortunately that's how the current generation of management think -- they've got Ivy-League business degrees but have never actually BUILT a business from the ground up, so they only think of maximizing short-term profits. If that costs them a much larger long-term profit, or even kills the business, well, we got ours today, if the business dies tomorrow because we were so short-sighted, too bad! we'll move on to another business and gut it the same way.
It's not just the music industry that's afflicted with this. :(
And of course if they did go with a seeds-and-microsales business model, they'd be giving up that monopoly control over their content, and we can't have THAT either... they'd rather have 100% of a finite and shrinking pie, than a small percent of a vastly larger and growing pie that could ultimately make them a LOT more money, if properly managed to take advantage of the economics of scale that filesharing would allow.
The cell system of security, yes -- you can vouch for yourself and the 2 or 3 people you know, but you can't vouch for any of the 2 or 3 people each of your 2 or 3 contacts knows. The advantage is that if it's compromised and those members are removed, it immediately breaks at that point so most of the system remains safe. The disadvantage is that any single person can't know how much of the system is compromised *without* members being removed, nor how close he is to being betrayed.
So.. infiltrations don't go far, but if you have enough of them you can significantly compromise the cell network's security.
Anyway, that's my problem with a subjective 'web of trust' -- I not only have to trust MY friends, I have to trust all THEIR friends, and all THEIR friends... many of whom might be people that I myself would not trust.
As you say, it also limits what data is available, since each node of trust filters out any data that node is not interested in (unless there's some requirement that every node carry all data).
Personally I'd like to see a web of micropayments, where you get paid a few cents for every copy you seed that gets converted into a sale, and where the price is nominal enough that a lot of people will pay the little amount for a known-good file rather than have to scrounge it from the back alleys of the net. Cash-strapped teens everywhere would cheerfully seed everything in the whole catalog. This could easily be done by watermarking files and running the system thru a custom bittorrent tracker. Yeah, there'd be lots of freeloaders, but there'd also be lots of people who'd pay a little bit just for the convenience. The object here is to make it folks' FIRST place to get files, increasing the chance that some will be sales (instead of driving them away and eventually zeroing out your sales).
It's exactly like how when DVDs get cheap enough, I buy them to save myself the nuisance of a long and iffy download, and the store (effectively the "seeder") makes a small commission for the end sale.
Or for a greater level of personal anonymity, the local bus system (which now has wi-fi) -- that even gets rid of the possibility of location-specific identification, since you can stand by the side of the road and connect to passing busses.
Web of trust has its own problems, best illustrated by the old Soviet jape:
When four men sit down to talk revolution, three are government agents and the fourth is a fool.
Actually, I have seen condensation on a computer's case when the surrounding air temp was low enough that the hot components couldn't keep the case warm. So if the insides don't run hot enough to heat the case too, condensation on the case surface, which then drips, could still be a problem. Particularly on computers that have distinct temperature zones, as is commonly so with desktop models (not so much with laptops simply due to being so much smaller).
So.. you'd want to run your fridge at 55-60 degrees, to ensure that nothing gets below dew point. While they do dehumidify pretty well, there are still condensation zones where air circulation isn't as good.
True, but Celsius numbers just don't have the scare value of Fahrenheit temperatures ;)
Tho as someone once pointed out, 0 to 100 is a much more *natural* numerical range if you're discussing human-comfortable environmental temperatures (rather than water-comfortable temps like Celsius refers to!), given that we tend to be creatures of base 10 (at least so long as we wear shoes ;)
Crap, I'm so old that I still want to call it Centigrade!
So far it's failed to kill either myself or my livestock (which are 100% outdoors). I'm always out in it for an hour or so at peak temp cuz I've got stuff that needs doing (like check water for the stock). And I've spent an ENTIRE day working outside at 112F, more than once. Maybe if you stand around in the raw sun all day, don't wear a hat, don't drink any water, and aren't smart enough to wet your head and your Tshirt once in a while it'll get you, or if you get dehydrated enough to stop sweating, but my experience (having lived in the desert for 25 years) is that it's perfectly survivable on a daily basis.
At the opposite extreme, I've also lived (and worked outdoors) where -45 was the daily high in winter. You don't go stand naked in the snow either, but with ordinary preparation suitable for the environment, it's also perfectly survivable.
Humans are amazingly adaptable creatures... Tho actually, the heat is easier (as the population density at the equator vs near the poles can attest). The limiting factor on population is water, not temperature.
But I swear, the geek set has no common sense -- everyone talks like the only way to be out in such heat is to stand in the sun like a moron. They'd probably go outside in the snow in just their Tshirt and shorts too, then complain about frostbite and die of hypothermia.
Hmm, there's another question: Is there a laptop designed to work at subzero temperatures?? Standard hard disks quit working at about 55 degrees or so.
Haha! Now that's a hilarious image! And you're right, a fridge's thick walls would sure block the noise!
[eyeing Sunon fans that last forever but sound like a helicopter] Computer, there may be a fridge in your future ;)~
Actually, I don't have anything modern/hot enough to need a waterblock cooler, so no :)
I suppose you could put your non-rugged laptop inside a real fridge with defroster, but that would be a trifle large for putting under the desk!!
OTOH a real fridge might substitute for a server room, under severe conditions when it isn't practical to actually build a climate-controlled server room and you only need a handful or single rack worth of servers. Might even be quite cost-effective for construction and power costs in such situations.
Maybe you are, but I got the impression the inquiry was for outdoor use! Tho I doubt high air temperature is nearly the hazard that dust is, as the ultimate killer in those environments.
Tho one might get dripping from parts that aren't hot. And you'd have to turn off the fridge when the computer wasn't in use.
Most warranties don't cover water damage!
Still, there's probably something to the idea, if you set it so that it never reaches dew point. Fridges do seal fairly well, provided the door seal isn't damaged or dried out.
Unless, of course, the object was partly to keep dust out... whoops, just defeated that purpose!!