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Rugged Laptop/Tablet Suggestions, 2010 Version?

robbievienna writes "I'm currently living in the Arabian desert. Typically, unless a building has been sealed against the elements, sand and dust get everywhere. I purchased a keyboard cover for one of my laptops, and noticed that there was more accumulation on the underside than the topside. I've had sand crunk up the guts of one laptop and one tablet (Nokia N810). My coworkers who are native to the region tend to trade out their technology every six to twelve months, but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently. I was wondering what suggestions people have for working in this type of environment — both for laptops and for tablets. For reference, I work in a pseudo-secured zone where computers (phones, etc.) are not permitted to have cameras. A DVD drive would be nice, but is unnecessary. The more USB ports, the better. The last time the question was posted on Slashdot was five years ago, so I'm presuming that there are new industry leaders."

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  1. EliteBook by brad-x · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been using the HP EliteBook 8540w and it's been hard to destroy. I ran an HP demo unit through the mill too (dropped it from six feet on all corners, etc) - it's rated for military use, and I'm pretty sure it's one step below the ruggedized laptops you can get with armor plating.

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    1. Re:EliteBook by nashv · · Score: 0

      You are confused between correlation and causality.

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    2. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Huh. That's interesting. Usually people only mix up correlation and causation. Now causality comes into the question too? What is the world coming to? Get off my lawn!

    3. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine examples of "English" sentences written by a member of the superior race:

      "We should be helping out neighbours, not waiting for them to destroy them self in the povrety of ghettos."
      "Your anti-anti-racism is the worng attitude."
      "Maybe pro-races is better; Respect every races and culture's strenght and weakness."

    4. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it blend?

    5. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because all white people speak English as their native language.

    6. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your self-fulfilling logic you asshole. It would be useless to dispute the fact that you are a dumb fuck but that's a waste of my time.

      Signed,
      black Slashdot reader that is not involved in crime, drug use, and gang activity

    7. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm black. But unlike many other black folks, I was smart enough to realize the importance of a good education, even if it was provided by the "white man" (although most of my teachers were themselves well-educated blacks).

      For every black who bothers to make something out of himself or herself, there are, unfortunately, probably 10 or more who voluntarily don't. This is the problem. Too many blacks actively reject the public education system. Having voluntarily deprived themselves of education and thus having no legitimately-employable skills, these blacks quickly turn to gangs, crime, and drugs. This causes harm to themselves and their communities.

      It's not that there are white people intentionally telling blacks to not attend school, or telling them to drop out, or preventing them from attending in the first place. It's quite the opposite; most white people would love for black youth to put more emphasis on education. Doing so would help the community as a whole spend less money on policing, less money on fixing vandalism perpetrated by black gangs, and just make it a nicer area to live in.

    8. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, how your heart bleeds. Want a medal?

    9. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Each human race has strenght and weakness. It is for each of us to respect them and make the most of them. Denying a weakness for some moral ideal is as stupid as ignoring strength to level everyone to the bottom.

      I never claim to be from a superior race, nor speak perfect english. Since you posses perfect english skills, Instead of whining, you could help me by pointing out my mistake. You attitude is worng. If your english skill is better share them.

      On the other side, you are a close minded idiot and your attitude is pretty disgusting so fuck you. I dont wish you hear from you anyway.

    10. Re:EliteBook by BobPaul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But I can't walk through the black ghetto part of town without legitimate fear for my own safety even though I am not saying anything or doing anything or provoking anyone

      This is what we call observer bias. I have no problem walking through the "black" part of town without fear for my safety. I posit that your fear is a result of your racism and therefore not legitimate.

    11. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the myth of Institutional racism died about 18 months ago. If you go to college and wear a suit, you could be president, even if you're black, with a muslim sounding name.

    12. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I wasn't aware the US was the whole world. Because niggers act the same all over the world, even (especially) in countries where the white man has rarely set foot.

    13. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The present condition of Haiti gives the best possible answer to the question, and, considering the experiment has lasted for a century, perhaps also a conclusive one. For a century the answer has been working itself out there in flesh and blood. The Negro has had his chance, a fair field, and no favor. He has had the most beautiful and fertile of the Caribees for his own; he has had the advantage of excellent French laws; he inherited a made country, with Cap Haitien [A once beautiful town on the north coast of Haiti] for its Paris. . . . Here was a wide land sown with prosperity, a land of wood, water, towns and plantations, and in the midst of it the Black man was turned loose to work out his own salvation. What has he made of the chances that were given to him? . . .

      At the end of a hundred years of trial how does the Black man govern himself? What progress has he made? Absolutely none."
      --Hesketh Prichard

    14. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You didn't even get your purse snatched?

    15. Re:EliteBook by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yet, looking at crime statistics, it's quite easy to see that:

      a) his fears are legitimate
      b) your lack of fear is irrational

      That makes you stupid; it doesn't make him a racist.

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    16. Re:EliteBook by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      It's a European Carry All, you insensitive clod!

    17. Re:EliteBook by nashv · · Score: 1

      I think that's sarcasm, though they mean the same thing. Scientific literature usually speaks of causality as a concept, and causation as specific to a particular phenomenon. http://www.answers.com/causality http://www.answers.com/causation

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    18. Re:EliteBook by tehcyder · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm black.

      I think I'd have to disagree with you right there.

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    19. Re:EliteBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm quite certain if you looked at crime statistics you'd see that the black ghetto has the same crime as the asian ghetto, the mexican ghetto, and the white trash district. To be specifically afraid of black people, as the AC clearly states he is, is racist, regardless of which part of town its in.

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    21. Re:EliteBook by treeves · · Score: 1

      Does Chanel now make ruggedized laptops? I'm impressed.
      I do however disagree with the logic of the statement that "Pink Chanel handbags make women full of attractiveness".
      Like the other troll in this thread, I think you confuse correlation with causation. Actually, I'm not even sure how well correlated are the sets of attractive women and women who carry pink Chanel handbags.

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  2. get a small netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    then underclock it.

    then laminate it.

    1. Re:get a small netbook... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      then laminate it.

      Will you please post the video of this process on Youtube?

    2. Re:get a small netbook... by v1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was thinking along the same lines. You have three basic issues in the desert:

      1) exposed vents / heat. it has to be able to stay cool and either have a filter on the vents or no vents

      Doesn't the iPad lack vents? Otherwise you almost need to screen/filter them in. Could be tricky. Someone may make a laptop case for a specific model or models of laptop that have a filter over the vent locations? Camera could be a problem for the ipad. (you can get them removed, and apple can offer the service iirc)

      2) exposed keyboard - you could use a keyboard cover, and use some rubber cement, doublestick tape whatever to seal around the edges. keeping the trackpad button clean could be challenging. Most laptops support trackpad clicking anyway so you may not need the button to stay working.

      3) exposed ports - I don't think this is going to be an easy one without a ruggedized design. Good packing tape over any ports you're not using for starters.

      It doesn't look like the poster is concerned about a drop-proof machine, he's just trying to keep the sand and dust out of it, so most ruggedized designs are overkill for protection (I don't think "waterproof" is on his list!) and will be underpowered as a result due to cooling issues.

      As far as "more usb ports" goes, get a hub. Most net books are only going to have 1 or 2 usb ports anyway, and hubs are cheap to replace. I'd expect usb ports to wear out quickly though in a sandy/gritty environment.

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    3. Re:get a small netbook... by AndGodSed · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can't. He laminated his camera and glued the lens cover shut...

    4. Re:get a small netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He may care about waterproof if he intends to be in contact with it... I destroyed a Thinkpad by using it on my lap in the tropics during the dry season... it didn't get wet from weather but from my legs sweating in the heat of day and heat from laptop. It seeped in and corroded the hell out of the machine.

    5. Re:get a small netbook... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      But this is a dry heat!

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  3. Good Luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depending on the exact timeframe you're looking at for the standard replacement cycle there vs. your total expected residency, you may be better off financially just going the replacement route and mitigating damage by keeping your N810 sealed in a Ziploc bag or something. Seriously, the last time I looked at prices for truly "ruggedized" equipment, I was floored and my wallet felt violated just by reading the prices.

    1. Re:Good Luck by amirulbahr · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should buy a used ToughBook laptop. In my experience they are worth every penny if you intend to put them through their paces.

    2. Re:Good Luck by dakohli · · Score: 1

      I second this. I worked within the Aviation Community several years ago. We were replacing non-rugged laptops almost every 3 or 4 months, we then went to the Panasonic CF27 series, and they were only replaced 5 years later with the next generation of Toughbooks. Saved us an incredible amount of money, even though they were $8000 each (CDN)

    3. Re:Good Luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Op is supporting / working for sand niggers, they have much deeper pockets than us. Op clearly is ok working for large amounts of blood money funded by oil, I'm sure he can by a ruggedized setup.

    4. Re:Good Luck by christefano · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Here's an example that's close to what I do:

          How To Sous Vide An iPhone
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwIfNsRki0k

      It depends on the device's form factor, but to protect things like phones, PDAs, tablet PCs, etc. from humidity, water and sand you can use a Foodsaver and cryovac it.

  4. Use a disposable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Try getting a cheap netbook, and just replace it when it dies.

    but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently

    Keep spares in sealed plastic bags so that you won't have to change hardware. For data, put everything (including O/S) on a rugged external hard drive. A single USB/firewire hard drive should be easier to protect than an entire computer.

    1. Re:Use a disposable laptop by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whether netbook or notebook, you'll probably want an SSD(hard drives have filters; but SSDs don't even breathe air). If you get some common, cheap model, (ideally with a an easily accessible drive location, not one of the epic deconstruction project ones), you should be able to just pop the SSD out of the dead unit and pop it in to the new one, boot and go. No real "migrating" or "adjusting" involved. You'll still want backups, of course, because SSDs can and do die; but, as long as your hardware stays the same, the only "migrating" you should have to do is a simple disk swap.

      Buy two. Seal one in an airtight bag, with some dessicant packets, and put it back in its padded packaging, then stash it under your bed or in a closet or something. Use the other one. When it dies, or becomes excessively full of sand and flakiness, pull the drive out of it, blow any grit off, and put it in to #2. Boot #2 and order a third from the electronics site of your choice. When #3 arrives, seal it and store it until #2 dies.

      Wasteful, sure; but you can easily repeat this procedure a fair few times before you equal the price of a single "rugged" notebook.

    2. Re:Use a disposable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Linux, and the hardware doesn't need to be same. Just pop it out of one machine and into the next. The most you'll need to do is switch video drivers.

    3. Re:Use a disposable laptop by sadtrev · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fine sand is a killer - it gets everywhere.

      I used to work on powder processing instrumentation and regularly had to take laptop computers onsite to calibrate instruments. We used to use Dells with external IP-54 keyboards and masking tape over all the unused ports. On a few occasions I had to take a normal keyboard they didn't last more than a few keystrokes (I'd guess 20 per key before they failed).

      This was lactose, coal, silica, calcium carbonate, etc. When we started work with metal powder we invested in proper IP54 laptops - no fan, membrane keyboard and rubber plugs on all the ports. Heavy, underpowered (800MHz PIII) but they worked. We looked at some "ruggedised" efforts but without the IP rating they were really just slightly less prone to drop damage.

    4. Re:Use a disposable laptop by plierhead · · Score: 1
      Not to belittle your environmental challenges, but we treat our own laptops as operating in a hostile environment. Statistically most of them will be stolen, lost of suffer catastrophic failure within 3 years. Mostly stolen.

      While you do still want a rugged laptop, ultimately it is better to make sure you have a fantastic recovery plan for when shit happens.

      One way is to go fully virtualised. Treat your host operating system as a basic shell, and instead install yoru real software on a VM. We use VMWare Workstation, Virtual box or others would work too.

      Now fix your backup/recovery strategy. Backup your entire VM frequently - daily is ideal. A good way is to make use linux for the host, and keep the VM itself on an LVM volume - then you can read-consistent copies using LVM snaphots in the background with no impact on the guest - no pausing, no shutdown needed. You might also want to do a file-level back from within the VM of your very important files as a double safeguard.

      Now you are sorted. Your machine will die, and when it does, you simply buy new one, re-install a host, then recover your VM onto the new one.

      This also gives you an excuse to get a fairly grunty laptop - running VMs gives it a real good workout.

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    5. Re:Use a disposable laptop by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      True in the sense that the new machine will have to be a real oddball, or have seriously shot BIOS support for something important, to render the kernel and VESA-mode X untenable; but only sometimes true in a fully useful sense.

      It isn't all that uncommon to find machines(especially laptops) were you have to do the magic wi-fi dance to get the card working(Broadcom deserves a lot, but not all, of the credit here), or the magic audio dance to get audio working fully correctly(basic noisemaking will almost always be automatic; but you can find computers where the chipset and ALSA don't quite agree on subtler points like properly muting the internal speakers when the headphone jack is occupied(realtek has done some, er, fine work in this area).

      Your odds of getting it to work, if not with some fiddling than out-of-the-box in a couple of kernel releases, are pretty good; but it isn't always plug and go.

    6. Re:Use a disposable laptop by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Informative

      The point isn't that Linux will work on every possible device. Of course it may not work on some device, although it works on most.

      The point is that your operating system installation and application settings aren't baked in. On Windows you can't copy your hard drive onto a different system and have it work. Your Operating System has been hard coded to your hardware and your application settings are stuck in the registry.

      On Linux you can just copy the hard drive onto a new system and the Operating System will figure out, when you boot, what drivers it needs to use. Your application settings are portable and as a bonus they get backed up when you back up your user's data.

      On Windows it is a huge time wasting chore to try to move your applications to a new computer. You basically can't and have to reinstall all of them. And forget about moving the Operating System. You can't.

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    7. Re:Use a disposable laptop by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      all you really need to do is build an installation USB stick and archive your deb files (for example) on it, and put /home and maybe /etc on a SDHC card. Anything important is kept on that card and backed up to another USB stick periodically. When the machine fails, you boot the machine off the installer and install the archives. When the card fails, you restore to a new one from the USB key (but you can use the USB key in the interim if you don't have a new SDHC card handy. Do you feel lucky?) If you create users in the same order each time (especially if they are few) then you don't need /etc very badly.

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    8. Re:Use a disposable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I move Windows 7 drives between completely different hardware all the time. As long as you aren't using weird storage drivers. 7 has made it even easier since most of the drivers are baked in. Worst case you have your same 7 with VESA std resolutions, and no LAN/WLAN, all easily fixed.

      Now, doing this with a retail version might get tricky, but still shouldn't be a problem with the ease you can change Key's now and re-activate. (taking into account the # of activations per license key, but replacing hardware with new keys negates this)

    9. Re:Use a disposable laptop by erikj3150 · · Score: 1

      Also, you could put the hard drive inside of an enclosure and use cable glands to run the usb in and out (or just glue it). Then you don't have to worry about the hard drive getting any sand or anything. Just make sure the enclosure is large enough that the drive doesn't overheat.

    10. Re:Use a disposable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build yourself a server with tons of storage and immerse it in a fish tank full of mineral oil. As long as you keep the tank well protected this should work a charm for a good 5 years or until you need a storage upgrade

  5. Panasonic Toughbook by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They've got units that are rated for such harsh environments. They're not cheap, though.

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    1. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are also not that tough against Sand in reality.

    2. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      actually, they are.

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  6. Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FWIW, I just spent a few weeks in the Moroccan Sahara and most of the natives who had laptops, had a Macbook

    1. Re:Apple by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      How can that be modded offtopic? He was in the Moroccan Desert, and people WHO LIVED THERE had Macbooks. I am no Mac fan but surely if it works for them it might work for the purpose of this story?

    2. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      FWIW, I just spent a few weeks in the Moroccan Sahara and most of the natives who had laptops, had a Macbook

      Nope, the OP said they had 1 macbook amongst all the natives. (grammar nazi FTW)

    3. Re:Apple by duk242 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It took one really good dust storm to fill my poor MacBook up with Dust (in Australia). Mind you, Apple repaired it under warranty because it was overheating, it's all good now.

    4. Re:Apple by Toonol · · Score: 0, Troll

      You're amazingly stupid; but you probably know that, down deep.

    5. Re:Apple by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      The people who live there change their notebooks every few months, see TFA. While that seems to be a workable solution for some, TFA specifically asked for alternatives that withstand the elements.

      MacBooks are made with high workmanship, quality and durability, comparable to the higher business end of notebooks from Lenovo and HP. They are, however, far from being ruggedized or protected against condensation and ultra fine Saharan dust. In temperate climate, they will probably last for half a decade even in demanding use - but I cannot imagine they will live that long in a sand desert. The same goes for all other higher end Lenovo and HP products not specifically designed against dust and thus don't carry any IPxx rating.

      "Do as the natives do" could be a starting point but without some evidence and reason to support it it's not the best recommendation per se.

      And looking at a MacBook or a high-end Lenovo Thinkpad, I can hardly imagine ultra fine dust NOT creeping into every opening, port and gap in their plastic outer shell. USB ports, fan grille, key caps, speaker and microphone holes, latching parts etc.. In short: the cases are clearly and visibly dust-permeable.

  7. dust filter bags by ffflala · · Score: 1

    What about using a computer dust filter bag? You could cut a window for typing and seal around the keyboard cover. You could also create flaps for the optical drive and ports, though an extension hub might make more sense and provide for a tighter seal.

    1. Re:dust filter bags by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about using a computer dust filter bag? You could cut a window for typing and seal around the keyboard cover. You could also create flaps for the optical drive and ports, though an extension hub might make more sense and provide for a tighter seal.

      Put the laptop in a place where dust won't be such a problem (like in a bar fridge) and run cables for mouse, keyboard, and external video. bar fridges are ~$100, and not only will it keep your laptop cool, but your Dew as well.

      Or just say you're "sandboxing" your code.

    2. Re:dust filter bags by couchslug · · Score: 1

      In that case just use an external keyboard, which are cheap enough to throw away.

      There are two reasons for a non-local to be in the desert. One is because you are deployed and making TDY money, and the other is you are a contractor and making phat bank. Either way, two decent notebooks and external backup are affordable.

      I'd get a couple of refurb Thinkpads and load the second to keep as an updated spare, and ship each in a Stormcase or Hardigg or similar tough container where they would live when I wasn't using them. Given that there is nothing to do off-duty in the Giant Hostile Ashtray that is most of the Middle East, I'd be looking forward to keeping any machines I had ready for immediate use.

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  8. get canned air and warranty by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in the construction industry and instruct our guys that work on site to blast the openings of their laptops/computers with canned air at least once a month.

    I get them "spill proof" keyboards as those are sealed and keep things from getting deep in the keyboard. Just turn it upside down and shake it. Plus you can wash them if you really want them clean.

    I find that there isn't much more you can do. The sand/dust causes extra wear and tear and the equipment will have to be replaced more often. I buy the "full coverage" warranty for equipment that will primarily be used on construction sites and it pays for itself when you constantly have to replace burnt out PSUs, video cards and CPUs that overheat and die due to clogged fans..

  9. Rome by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When in Rome, Do as the Romans do.

    1. Re:Rome by chill · · Score: 3, Funny

      Uh...so he should crucify every native he sees until he no longer has a dust problem? Sir, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    2. Re:Rome by alexx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Be fair, we rarely crucify the natives.

    3. Re:Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Romans didn't have laptops, dumbass, they used mainframes!

    4. Re:Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problems really get started when you kill delusional storytellers.

  10. Rugged Notebooks by Island+Admin · · Score: 5, Informative

    A quick google came up with the following website: http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/
    They have notebooks with sealed keyboards, low reflectivity (especially greate for the desert conditions :) ).

    1. Re:Rugged Notebooks by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      I've used these before and can attest to their ruggedness. Their keyboard is somewhat hard to use as it is a waterproof membrane, and the CD/DVD drive requires a flat-head screwdriver to open (no joke!), but everything is sealed quite well from the elements.

  11. Field notebooks by juventasone · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are models that meet MIL-STD-810. Have you seen any of these tried in your environment? Some of them have already been mentioned such as the Panasonic Toughbooks and HP Elitebooks.

    1. Re:Field notebooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in the same environment. Panasonic toughbook or replace shit every 6 months. If it's in a very nice building, then a thinkpad, because it weights half as much, but is rugged enough to last that long. I'm thinking about flash drives from the heat perspective. However, toughbook is the answer.

    2. Re:Field notebooks by tuttleturtle42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the toughbook tablets are smaller and only 5 lbs. The normal laptops are 8 lbs or so when looking at the fully-ruggeds. The CF-19 (and older CF-18) are actually surprisingly light, especially for the ruggedness. I remember about two years ago looking through Best Buy at the laptops just because I was curious how they were in terms of weight, and for actual laptops, there was maybe 3 there which were under 5 lbs. I use a CF-19, though not in that sort of environment. There's only a 10.4" screen, but if that's large enough, then it is a really nice machine, and a tablet.

    3. Re:Field notebooks by Maeslin · · Score: 1

      I can second on Toughbooks, those things deserve their name. Depending on how rugged you want (say, completely overkill) and if you have too much money to bother counting, you can also look for a SwitchBack UMPC. Bit low on the computing power but the ability to hotswap batteries and the whole backpack module idea is pretty interesting. (http://www.bdatech.com/switchback/)

    4. Re:Field notebooks by mprindle · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can throw my vote in for the Toughbooks. We use them internally and we setup the fully rugged models for our customers to use in the middle of chemical plants and refineries. So far we see very few of them come back with issues and the ones we do see come back someone has screwed up the applications on it.

      Now against sand I would think they would be pretty good. Every entry point into the laptop is covered by a latching door that is fully sealed when closed.

      Kage_

    5. Re:Field notebooks by Telecommando · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Another vote here for Toughbooks. Where I work, we've given Toughbooks to all the field personnel and have no regrets. Our crews work outside in difficult environments and while I've seen HDs fail, broken keyboards and a couple of smashed screens (hit by something while open), for the most part they're almost indestructible.

      Last fall we had a field engineer set a CF-30 on a backhoe and walk over to his truck to look for a drawing. When he came back, the backhoe had moved and his Toughbook was apparently somewhere in a trench that had been filled in.

      I went out to the site that afternoon with another tech and an access point configured with a SSID that we knew the missing CF-30 would try to connect to. We slowly drove along the trench with a directional antenna pointed at it until the AP indicated that the missing laptop had tried to connect. We had the backhoe driver gently dig out several feet of trench before we found it. Disassembled, cleaned and reassembled it, it's still in service.

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    6. Re:Field notebooks by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      MIL-STD-810F http://www.linux-laptop.net/rugged-laptop.html and a URL to a Linux friendly selection.

      I thought about making a 'transportable' one that has the guts in a dust proof box with a battery pack and a heat exchanger and no openings. It would use an industrial wireless mouse and keyboard and have a sealed bulkhead USB connector(s). A CD is a problem even if it's external. I doubt I'll get the funds soon.

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    7. Re:Field notebooks by bananaendian · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are models that meet MIL-STD-810.

      No there aren't! There is no such thing as 'meeting MIL-STD-810 standard'!

      MIL-STD-810, "Department of Defense Test Method Standard for Environmental Engineering Considerations and Laboratory Tests" suggests how certain environmental conditions, such as vehicle vibration and ballistic shock, could be simulated in the laboratory. For some of these test methods it also suggests parameters and limits for different applications. A large part of the standard is devoted to explaining how the tests should be chosen and tailored for the particular application in order to produce relevant data for the engineering process. There is no certifying authority to give you a badge of approval if you pass some test, as there are no standard test facilities for these tests either!

      Compare this to for example the IP Code which has specific descriptions and limits on what a device has to withstand in order to be specified in the IP class. Further more there are independent test companies with the standardized test facilities to give you a certificate that the device can indeed withstand environmental conditions equivalent to a specific IP class.

      Further more no actual product could 'comply' with all the test methods in the 810 standard. With anything with more functionality than a metal brick one would have to limit the test methods and parameters for it to survive them. Consequently a manufacturer would have to specify which methods and what parameters and test configurations were used in order for anyone to deduce if the product might survive some environmental condition.

      The truth is, most products that have MIL-STD-810 slapped on them have never been tested - merely 'designed to meet' some arbitrary interpretation of the standard ... The funny thing is, Panasonic Toughbooks have indeed been tested extensively - there are cool videos of the tests on their website - but those tests are IP Class tests which they have to perform.

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    8. Re:Field notebooks by mr.sedam · · Score: 1

      We use toughbook too (not exactly the same environement, but kindly hard one). ToughBook does the job

    9. Re:Field notebooks by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      I was assigned an HP Elitebook at work and it is one of the junkiest laptops I've ever used. They have two inferior latch mechanisms which feel like they are going to break each time I close the lid. The underside is made out of flexible plastic. The default display temperature is off (very blue; I had to add ATI Catalyst drivers to adjust the display temp back to normal). The keys feel very flimsy. The screen backlight is very dim and takes a long time to activate. When using an external display, it is slow to activate (and sometimes it doesn't switch resolutions properly). The battery doesn't last very long (2 hours is normal). Please, please spare yourself the agony and do not use an HP Elitebook.

  12. Dell Outlet by copponex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dell XFRs start around $1,600 from the Outlet, with Core 2 Duos, no webcam, and designed to operate in the conditions you describe. I don't think they're quite as rugged as the Panasonic Toughbooks, but you can just buy two XFRs for the same price and switch the hard drives out if one breaks.

    http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb

    1. Re:Dell Outlet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Amusing to see this discussion on Slashdot when colleagues and I were testing a Dell XFR laptop just last week, suggested to us as a cheaper alternative than the Panasonic Thoughbook's.

      Well, I give it to you: http://twitter.com/sraveau/status/10663156737 (If you're considering buying a rugged laptop, DO NOT BUY ONE FROM DELL: seriously, theirs are a JOKE!)

      I rarely ever tweet, but this I felt like I had to tell everybody. They market it as something special ops people would use ( http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/news/downloads/RuggedizedDellXFRwithSSD_LG.jpg ) but the pointing stick cap comes off way too easily, it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD and there's nothing you can do against that even though you bought the laptop with a security cable lock... sorry, I meant: it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD *if* the two pieces of duct tapes put together that Dell wants you to pull in order to get the drive out haven't torn off yet (took us 3 times), after that you will need pliers!

      Oh, and... well, you probably won't believe me but: that laptop did not even last a week (it never gets past the BIOS progress bar), even though we tried to be gentle with the testing, for example dropping it from 30cm high instead of 1m as Dell advertises.

      So, to me it looks like Dell thought they could compete in the rugged laptop market when the SSDs came out: the XFR series look just like they took a Latitude, put an SSD inside and rubber bands outside, nothing more. That's why they're half as cheap as the other rugged laptops.

      In our case, we'll stick with the Panasonic's.

    2. Re:Dell Outlet by MrScary · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work in a coal mine and they bought us the Dells. They have been nothing but problems. Mine alone has had a motherboard failure and a wireless card die. The keyboard is a disaster. Trying to blind type with it is almost impossible. My computer shuts itself down regularly for overheating problems. The Panasonic toughbooks blow them away.

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  13. Motion Computing by chocobanana · · Score: 1

    Motion computing makes some fine tablets. The J3400 is particularly interesting and I believe it has earned some good reviews: http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/index.asp Couple it with a bluetooth wireless keyboard and its completely sealed design should work great.

    1. Re:Motion Computing by adonoman · · Score: 1

      I'll second motion computing. I've got an older M1400 model, and the thing is rock solid. I let my 2 and 4 year olds play with it, without fear of them dropping it, or breaking it. The model I have isn't sealed, but it looks like the J3400 is. Everything is passively cooled, so other the the HD, there are no moving parts, and getting an SSD drive should solve that bit.

  14. SSD not spinny disk by olddoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans. I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.

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    1. Re:SSD not spinny disk by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      Not in 30-40 degree heat as well. Sadly, deserts are both dusty AND hot. Worst place in the world for computers. Except maybe the arctic, since LCD's just don't work. Even there though, you can always add heat to the equation. It's a lot harder to remove heat..
      I think the best suggestion so far has been the "buy a decent machine and stick it in a bar-fridge and run the cables out to cheapo monitors and keyboards".

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    2. Re:SSD not spinny disk by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans. I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.

      Smartphones fit this bill, as will the iPad and other next-generation "computer-lite" tablets.

    3. Re:SSD not spinny disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Who cares about sand if there are no mechanical components in your laptop? (Save the keyboard, of course)

    4. Re:SSD not spinny disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Amusing to see this discussion on Slashdot when colleagues and I were testing a Dell XFR laptop just last week, suggested to us as a cheaper alternative than the Panasonic Toughbook's.

      Well, I give it to you: http://twitter.com/sraveau/status/10663156737 (If you're considering buying a rugged laptop, DO NOT BUY ONE FROM DELL: seriously, theirs are a JOKE!)

      I rarely ever tweet, but this I felt like I had to tell everybody. They market it as something special ops people would use ( http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/news/downloads/RuggedizedDellXFRwithSSD_LG.jpg ) but the pointing stick cap comes off way too easily, it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD and there's nothing you can do against that even though you bought the laptop with a security cable lock... sorry, I meant: it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD *if* the two pieces of duct tapes put together that Dell wants you to pull in order to get the drive out haven't torn off yet (took us 3 times), after that you will need pliers!

      Oh, and... well, you probably won't believe me but: that laptop did not even last a week (it never gets past the BIOS progress bar), even though we tried to be gentle with the testing, for example dropping it from 30cm high instead of 1m as Dell advertises.

      So, to me it looks like Dell thought they could compete in the rugged laptop market when the SSDs came out: the XFR series look just like they took a Latitude, put an SSD inside and rubber bands outside, nothing more. That's why they're half as cheap as the other rugged laptops.

      In our case, we'll stick with the Panasonic's.

    5. Re:SSD not spinny disk by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Aren't HDDs sealed shut and isolated? dust won't matter in that case

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  15. Buy two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My suggestion would be to buy more than one of whatever you like that meets your standards, and then swap drives as they die. When it comes to sand and dust there isn't much that will stand up to it for more than a year without being outrageously expensive.

  16. panasonic toughbooks by octabob · · Score: 1

    Hey I've never experienced such harsh conditions like the ones described but first thing that came to mind while reading your question was the panasonic toughbook series. I've heared and seen some pretty amazing things being done to those toughbooks and they stood tall... It's surely best to do some research but i would surely take those toughbooks in consideration... As with most things it's a matter of choice, you could go for an easy and affordable to replace solution (netbook,...) but since rebuilding backups and stuff every 12 months would like to be avoided, going with a rugged notebook would be worth the thought... http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp

  17. OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    link

    I heard they're really good in rough environment.

    1. Re:OLPC by VTI9600 · · Score: 1

      That sounds good in theory, but I had one too and seriously...it's made for kids and kids are the only ones who could get any real use out of it. The keyboards are too tiny for adult hands and it feels like a toy. The 5-year-old I gave it too was totally stoked though.

    2. Re:OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note: The XO touchpads tend to flake out, and some of the lower keys on the keyboard can be problematic as well. This may be fixed in the later models, however.

      If you decide to go the XO route, you might want to keep a USB mouse on hand, and maybe a USB keyboard, too. (They might be more comfortable for regular work on the device, as well.)

      Troubleshooting XO keyboards

    3. Re:OLPC by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      That was the sad thing about it - If they had produced an adult version of the OLPC - the things were intended for use in bush type conditions, from the daylight viewable LCD through to the construction of the keyboard and the ease of fixing.

      Toughbooks are great but if you are looking for an outdoors machine without the budget of an oil company, i.e. a university doing field research then it can be a problem.

  18. Oddball Suggestion... by jjoelc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stretch a ladies nylon stocking over the whole thing... This will take some experimenting to figure out the exact best method (maybe one over the base, one over the screen...), but has the advantages of:
    -being extremely cheap
    -easily removed/replaced
    -thin/flexible/transparent enough to cover the keyboard, and even the screen with
    -should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow
    -will also cut down on glare and reflectivity

    For $1 a try, I figure it is worth mentioning...

    1. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest wrapping the body (sans monitor) of the Notebook in Saran wrap but so that you can still fold it up and get to the ports/power_button. The keyboard seems to be the biggest weakness. Don't use it. Instead, get one of those cheap, flexible ones such as this and plug it into the USB:

      http://www.amazon.com/Adesso-Flexible-Compact-Keyboard-AKB-220/dp/B000XYL55M

      The OLPC XO-1 also has such a keyboard integrated, IIRC.

    2. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow

      Desert dust is distinct from the grains of sand you're accustomed to. It's been worn down to nearly microscopic, is highly abrasive, very light, and nylons won't keep that kind of stuff out. And even if they could, you're obstructing the airflow to critical components which will overheat. He did mention desert correct? Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.

      You need purpose-built tools to work in that environment.

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    3. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those silicone keyboards are, indeed, substantially resistant to dust, modest exposure to any fluid that isn't a nasty solvent, and so forth.

      Be warned, though, the keyfeel is bloody awful. Worse than a $5 basic-plastic desktop keyboard. Worse than the worst $350 wal-mart special emachines laptop keyboard you've prayed you'd never have to use again.

      There is next to no feedback, audible or tactile, so you find yourself either typing really slowly and watching for each letter to appear, or looking constantly at the keyboard, or really mashing on it. The keys also sort of "roll" under your fingers. Normal keys travel up and down. These ones can tilt and slither sideways just a little bit. Really, really, annoying. Unless either logistics or budget are very tight constraints, I'd just get a crate of basic plastic cheapies and swap them when they die.

    4. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by UnObnubilationNation · · Score: 1

      Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.

      except of course the two largest deserts on earth, the Arctic and Antarctic.

      Quite right though, a nylon would act somewhat like a sieve, keeping out the larger particles, but doing nothing to impede the finer. It's these finer particles that would be doing most of the damage, since they can work themselves further into the hardware.

      I'd be looking at a SSD, minimizing moving components means less places for the dust to get into. As far as heat goes, I'd think about getting a processor that is significantly more powerful than your needs, that way it would never need to work particularly hard, and subsequently reduce your chances of frying it.

    5. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by Nimey · · Score: 1

      To be pedantic, Antarctica is a desert and it's quite cold.

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    6. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deserts are, as a rule, dry. Not hot.

    7. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by Geirzinho · · Score: 1

      The arctic is hardly a desert, most of the area north of the arctic circle is sea. Maybe you are thinking of inland Greenland?

    8. Re:Oddball Suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic
      It's not a rule. The two largest deserts on our planet are very cold.

      Posting anonymously because this post is stupid.

  19. A fan-less computer by Kozmik · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can spend a lot of money and buy a ruggedized laptop ( panasonic toughbooks are the best known examples and they have a range of models from semi ruggedized to fully ruggedized ).

    However the feature you want from the ruggedized unit is the fact that fully ruggedized laptops are setup to be fanless ( the better designed ones ). Fanless means they don't need to suck in air, which would need to be filtered, which then becomes a point of failure.

    So for example most netbooks for example run an atom cpu that just needs a heatsink and no fan. That then eliminates the point of failure of the fan sucking in dust. There are desktop choices that are the same, underclocked or low power cpu's that don't produce enough heat to need more then a heatsink so can run fanless.

    1. Re:A fan-less computer by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Heat Sunks wont be very effective in a desert nvironment where the ambient air temp is hitting 50 C. Even an atom would need a fan in the desert

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    2. Re:A fan-less computer by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Heat Sunks wont be very effective in a desert

      Hmmmm, maybe something where the heat-sink and fan are on the outside?
           

    3. Re:A fan-less computer by izomiac · · Score: 1

      The definition of a desert is low moisture, which subjects them to wide day/night temperature variation. Perhaps the OP could get away with not using the computer when it's especially hot outside (e.g. do computer work in the morning and evening).

    4. Re:A fan-less computer by mxh83 · · Score: 1

      So for example most netbooks for example

      Fail.

  20. server and netbook by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    Put all of your files on a server on the internet that you can securely connect to, and get a cheap netbook to work on.

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    1. Re:server and netbook by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Maybe he does not have internet connectivity where he is? And a 'no camera' policy does not exactly spell 'please store your data off-site' to me.

    2. Re:server and netbook by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      OK, so put the server in the company server room and connect to it over a LAN. As far as the "no data off-site" issue is concerned, why permit a laptop at all ?

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  21. My Dell XPS survived a year in Kuwait & Afghan by Fallon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've got a now 3ish year old Dell XPS M1710 laptop that survived living in Afghanistan for a year, Kuwait for a year & now a year or so back here in Colorado. Not light, but it did good as my gaming rig. I was in decent quality buildings for being down range, but pretty crappy & unsealed by U.S. standards. I've gone through 3-4ish power bricks for it, but I blame crappy generator power for that. And when the power bricks died, the laptop would only operate in reduced power mode (throttle CPU & not charge the battery), but would still run the laptop. Not bad for bouncing between 110v & 220v power of very dubious quality.

    Blow it out frequently with a can of air & it should do pretty good.

  22. iPad is still better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'd recommend waiting until the iPad comes out, then get one.

    1. Re:iPad is still better. by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      Not if you want to do some REAL computing on it, unless it is more than just a tablet?

    2. Re:iPad is still better. by brad-x · · Score: 2, Informative

      I doubt the iPad is going to be sturdy or rugged by any stretch of the imagination.

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    3. Re:iPad is still better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF. the guy is asking about a rugged laptop or tablet, not a tampon.

    4. Re:iPad is still better. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It certainly won't be explicitly "rugged" in any serious way, nor will there be any warranty express or implied, concerning dropping it; but it wouldn't at all surprise me if it ends up being pretty durable against ingress of sand purely as a side effect of Apple's aesthetic preferences.

      Steve and his guys hate slots, buttons, ports, battery bays, or anything that breaks up the polished outer surface or suggests that the user might be able to do anything more invasive than plug a set of headphones in. Consequently, their designs aren't terribly easy for stuff to get into(or once it gets in, out of, as anybody who has ever had to deal with the "single speck of dust/crud/eyelash hair that somehow got behind the iPod screen cover" problem can attest).

    5. Re:iPad is still better. by mellon · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's got enough computes and actually does what he wants, that's good advice. It's got no moving parts, so dust getting inside it is probably okay, although you'll have to be careful of the screen - I'd use screen protectors religiously, and only change them when you're in a steamy room after showering (I know that sounds weird, but it really does help). The good thing about this solution is that you can keep a couple of keyboards around so that when one of them gets too crapped up to use, you can swap in another one. You can always repair the crapped-up one in your copious free time, but it's good to have spares.

      On a similar note, if you need more power, it sounds like HP is coming out with a tablet soon. It would have the same advantages, although you'd probably want to order it with an SSD rather than a spinning hard drive. It would also run windows, so if you're locked in to that solution it might be a better choice for you.

      Having said that, I've been working with Macs in a desert environment for a long time, and the worst that's ever happened to me is that the keyboard got squeaky after a while. I don't know if that's because the mac keyboard is better, or I'm better at protecting it, or we don't have as much airborne dust as you do. Probably the latter, in which case my advice might not help that much.

    6. Re:iPad is still better. by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1
      TFS said:

      The more USB ports, the better.

      The iPad is somewhat deficient in this area, unless you get a docking unit for it. And since the docking unit provides only one USB port, maybe a USB hub would also be useful. Even if you're willing to lug them around together, it's a bit inconvenient.

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    7. Re:iPad is still better. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It's got no moving parts

      Does AT&T have 3G coverage in the Arabian desert?

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    8. Re:iPad is still better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You are kidding aren't you? Excellent troll if you are...

      Only the blindest of apple loyalists would put forward such a laughable notion. Seriously, I laughed out loud, which makes me think you're being deliberately funny. After all the ipad is so obviously another toy from the fisher price of computing, and probably the most useless yet.

    9. Re:iPad is still better. by threephaseboy · · Score: 1

      Do you think he would be connecting to a public cell network if he's not even allowed to have a camera?

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    10. Re:iPad is still better. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      What would be the point of USB anyway? It has WiFi and Bluetooth. I just wish they'd gotten rid of the dock port on the iPad and went for totally wireless. Maybe with induction charging. A completely sealed unit would be great.

      I do think that if it is anything like the iPod Touch it'll be much more rugged than most laptops and portables. Add a screen protector and a case and it'll take a lot of abuse.

      I don't understand people that claim somehow the iPad isn't real computing. It certainly isn't a dual six core Xeon with 128GB RAM but it's way more functional than the desktop computer I had ten years ago and you can compile and run any kind of program you want for it if you sign up as a developer.

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    11. Re:iPad is still better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the more USB ports, the better"

      iPad is not ideal for this. And I assume the computing he will be doing in afghanistan or wherever he said will not include checking his twitter or checking out his friends' flickr.

    12. Re:iPad is still better. by MentlFlos · · Score: 1

      Does AT&T have 3G coverage in the Arabian desert?

      I can't even get coverage in Cambridge, MA so I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "no".

    13. Re:iPad is still better. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded funny? It's exceptionally insightful.

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    14. Re:iPad is still better. by ebuck · · Score: 1

      But all that sand will scratch the finish. That is, if you don't breathe on the finish scratching it first.

    15. Re:iPad is still better. by scdeimos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand people that claim somehow the iPad isn't real computing.

      It's not about the processing power under the hood. Can you install OpenOffice on it, or any other application that hasn't been given the "Ok" by Apple to be distributed through the iTunes App Store? No.

      The iPod, iPhone and iPad are just terminals into Apple's closed application repository. Although developers can create pretty much whatever they want and submit it for the App Store, Apple has final approval thus making it a closed environment. And Apple has the power to revoke any application at any time for whatever reason it sees fit.

      Want proof? Apple blocks iPhone security software; Apple Removes Wi-Fi Finders From App Store; Apple Bans Sexy Apps, Developers Upset; Apple Bans Jailbreakers From The App Store; Apple Censors Dalai Lama iPhone Apps in China; Commodore 64 Runs Again On The iPhone (after Apple pulled it from the App Store until the developer changed it); Apple Kills Google Voice Apps On The iPhone; and my favourite, because it shows Apple's double-standards, Licensed C64 Emulator Rejected From App Store, because Apple claims Emulators are against its SDK agreement, but still allows Sega game emulators.

      I can't help but wonder how long it will be before Apple rejects the Opera browser from the iPhone, because "it duplicates existing iPhone functionality" (Safari) which is also one of the SDK agreement clauses, and its reason for blocking the Google Voice apps.

    16. Re:iPad is still better. by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can always remote connect to a system and run anything you want. Or jailbreak your iPhone. Or sign up as a developer. Many options exist but everyone complaining is to lazy to bother. A device that doesn't suck in it's default configuration is just beyond some people to understand. The kind of people that buy a discount HDTV from walmart and are surprised that it has a bad picture and sound and dies two weeks after the warranty expires.

      If I felt like it I could probably get OpenOffice running on my iPod, the Mac version could probably be adapted pretty easily, but what would be the point? Installing every app you ever saw on a device is a bad measurement of how useful that device is.

      Duplicate functionality is confusing to consumers. If you want more options then take 5 minutes to jailbreak your device or pay $100 to be a developer and you can compile and run whatever you want. Android is a mess because they allow anyone and everyone to do whatever the freak they want and it ends in a confusing, and bad, consumer experience. If you aren't smart enough to jailbreak your iPhone or compile a program then you shouldn't be running those apps anyway. The PC concept sucks because it is confusing and degrades into chaos quickly. I've seen grown men break down crying because of their Windows experience. I can't say I've ever seen anyone cry because they couldn't use OpenOffice or Opera on their iPhone.

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    17. Re:iPad is still better. by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      "And since the docking unit provides only one USB port, maybe a USB hub would also be useful. Even if you're willing to lug them around together, it's a bit inconvenient."

      I wouldn't worry about it. I can see an add-on that uses the docking port to give you that USB port on the go. That's what 3rd party products are for.

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    18. Re:iPad is still better. by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      I guess you and I will have to disagree on this one. And that's OK. Maybe OpenOffice isn't a good example, since the small form factor is limiting the usefulness for it.

      IMNSHO, it's still not a general computing device because:

      1. Remote connections to a system so you can run custom software remotely only work when you can remotely connect to the system. If you're away from your Wi-Fi access point or outside a 3G service area you're shit-out-of-luck... why can't you run it on the device itself?
      2. Jail Breaking is not a valid option for most (non-technical) people, not the least because it invalidates your warranty.
      3. Signing-up to be an Apple Developer so I can write my own apps for it is not acceptable. (a) I've been a registered Apple Developer before and it yielded me no additional benefits (compared to being completely freelance), it actually restricted me more due to NDAs and Licensing Agreements, and Apple treats their developer community like crap. (b) You don't have to be a registered Microsoft Developer to develop for Windows, or a registered nVidia Developer to write GPU software, or a registered OpenGL developer to write the next Lunar Lander flypass in OpenGL. Why should you have to be a registered Apple Developer to write for Apple devices?
      4. You shouldn't have to go to Apple to get the software YOU want on the device YOU paid for. It's a physical piece of hardware you own, it's not like a piece of software you've just "licensed" to borrow for a while. Could you imagine the uproar in the computer industry if, in an overnight change of business model, you had to go to the manufacturer of your desktop or laptop computer to buy every little piece of software you wanted to use?
    19. Re:iPad is still better. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      My PC is more often than not just a thin client. I do most my work on my servers. A mere 4GB of RAM is to wimpy for real work. I'd say I'm out of Wifi coverage maybe an hour or two a day while driving and at the store. I'm almost never out of 3G coverage.

      If you need a warranty then you can't handle installing and running random apps. The poor sucker stuck supporting you doesn't want to deal with your mess either.

      I've been a registered iPhone developer and I could compile and run whatever I wanted on something like 50 devices. While I agree it'd be nice not to have to pay to be an iPhone developer $100/year is hardly an issue. You spend far more than that trying to purchase the tools and education needed to be a decent Microsoft developer (yes I know they offer some crap free tools). The biggest limitation is truly that you have to own a Mac or at least have access to a Mac. You can buy a Dell Mini for <$300 and install MacOS, which the last version cost $30 or is easy to download from Torrent, though or many other PCs will run MacOS so it's not as bad as it could be. THAT is the most annoying part of being an iPhone developer IMO though.

      As I said you don't have to go to Apple to get what you want. You can do whatever you want if you're willing to take full responsibility for your own actions, voiding your warranty, and are smart enough to follow a simple HOWTO guide. May as well blame Apple for selling scissors and trying to get you to put them in a safety case before running with them.

      I blame the do-whatever-the-fsck-you-want attitude of the PC market for why consumers have such a bad experience. Example: Most Windows issues ARE the fault of the user or because their cheap ass hardware craps out. Microsoft does nothing to require hardware to be of good quality or to keep users from getting themselves in trouble. Therefore most people think Windows sucks even if they are to lazy/cheap to switch to a Mac or Linux (which both also suck BTW - just less). Windows does suck but the vast majority of it's problems aren't really it's problems. I think requiring a license to access a computer or the Internet would be going to far but a simple safety isn't a bad idea. I like it on my rifle too.

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  23. Software + hardware based suggestion by middlemen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Software suggestion: Embrace cloud computing for all your data needs (assuming you have a good internet connection.) This will remove the problem of having to change hardware and replicate settings all the time.

    Hardware suggestion: Cheap netbooks that can be resold to unsuspecting people in the desert :)

    1. Re:Software + hardware based suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there isn' internet in the dessert. just save everything on a 32gb sd card and pull it out if the netbook dies. bring a few

    2. Re:Software + hardware based suggestion by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      there isn' internet in the dessert

      But there are lots of calories.

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  24. X200 Tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just picked up a Lenovo X200 tablet - after about 2 months of research. Crushes all others. Built for business and usability. They just released a toughbook version too.

  25. Cyber clean by mmmmbeer · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what you get, invest in a bunch of cyber clean and clean out your notebook regularly.

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/b88d/

  26. Itronix Duo-Touch II by Tisha_AH · · Score: 2, Informative

    I carried a Itronix Duo-Touch II for a few months during field-work. It is a very robust tablet and is pretty much everything-proof (other than driving over it with a truck).

    http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch_II

    It is pricey as Itronix was purchased by General Dynamics but is mil rated.

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  27. do what the locals do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just do it, they probably know best.

  28. Hermetically sealed cabinets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put everything in hermetically sealed cabinets except for SSD or flash-based netbooks which are only used to run remote desktop or VNC. If the netbook gets gunked, sell it on and get a new one. Since it never has any data on it, the netbooks will be fully interchangeable. If you need any local data, then use a thumb drive for that, not the netbook's flash. About 11 years ago I set up cabinets like this to deploy Internet dialup PoPs around rural Australia. The cabinet that we used was sold by a German manufacturer and was called a telecoms cabinet. The cooling is done with a heat exchanger so that the internal air circulates indepently and separately from the outside air.

  29. Forget the hardware! by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

    I don't have any suggestions on the hardware but how often do you plan to swap out your lungs or is there a medical procedure to flush out the grit?

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    1. Re:Forget the hardware! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm fitted with self cleaning ones.

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  30. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some real rugged stuff, check out companies like: http://www.handheldgroup.com/regions/worldwide/

  31. I think people are over looking the obvious choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you are in the middle east you should consider native technologies.

    The abacus of course.

    The beads on most modern abici are designed to last hundreds of years.

  32. Panasonic Tougbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would take a look at the Panasonic Toughbook. It has been designed to run in environments like this with vibration such as in a moving car, excessive heat, excessive cold, and dust particles. I've heard many stories about these being deployed in the Middle East, including one of an American Army guy whose Toughbook took a bullet designed for him.

  33. The iPad comment was a joke.. by Fussen · · Score: 2, Informative

    The iPad comment was a joke and it is just not built for the outside. It's barely meant for a kitchen with a tile floor.

    If you don't want to touch the toughbook, maybe the Dell Latitude E6400 XFR http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-latitude-xfr-e6400?c=us&l=en&s=bsd

    1. Re:The iPad comment was a joke.. by Fussen · · Score: 1

      Think about it, seriously.. " The more USB ports, the better."

  34. New leaders? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Informative

    so I'm presuming that there are new industry leaders

    Not really...It's a tough nut to crack, so the market leaders in the ruggedized notebook sector tend to get there and say there. As others have said, your best (& costliest) options are Panasonic and Itronix (General Dynamics).

    1. Re:New leaders? by TomaCzar · · Score: 1

      The Panasonic has rave reviews all over the web and is likely to be the direction I go with my next laptop however, the Itronix (General Dynamics) GoBook X-R1 is SHITE! Absolute shite. I'm not saying this based solely upon my personal experience, but the experience of my former employer who bought and deployed five of these turds, only to have all of them fail. They are horrible, stay away.

      I have a CF-18 (Panasonic) that has worked great for my purposes but OP's needs and my own aren't completely aligned. Years ago, performing military operations in the Mojave, we had regular old laptops and went through lots and lots of canned air. This may very well be the best option even to this day.

      Full Disclosure: I now work for a company that competes directly with GD, however the company that purchased, deployed, and eventually gave away the XR-1s to its employees (myself included) due to their uselessness had nothing against GD and actually wanted them to work. Suckers!

    2. Re:New leaders? by Shongololo · · Score: 1

      http://panasonic.net/avc/toughbook/why_toughbook/ Ask anyone in the milatary or law enforcement field, these Toughbooks are the best. Panasonic have been leades for a long time. They supply the Toughbooks to the troops in the desert.

  35. hmm by JBr0wn · · Score: 1

    per the comment above, there arent many fanless netbooks. My atom makes a lot of heat, definitely needs its fan. I am always inclined to go with lenovo, they are damn rugged. Im sure the panasonic toughbooks can take a beating, but they are kind of expensive for what you get performance wise. The pantyhose suggestion sounds legit.

  36. out of your box solutions including OS X by arete · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I realize you asked for a ruggedized laptop. However, that everyone else replaces theirs regularly points to the idea that you should consider that as a serious alternative and not discard it out of hand. I called this 'out of your box' because they're all doing it, and you're rejecting it a priori. I see basically three legitimate issues with this solution:

    a) maintaining a consistent interface for you to be used to
    b) providing easy data migration to the replacement device
    c) total cost of multiple non-ruggedized devices compared to the realistic lifespan of ruggedized ones.

    I'm not suggesting that my parent post had the right thoughts in mind, but Apple does provide surprisingly good, quick and easy solutions for a&b in OS X and the iPhone; I would expect the iPad to continue this.

    Apple is not historically great about 'c', but that sand environment is hard even on the modestly ruggedized ones so it's not impossible.

    Of course, I imagine their are .e.g Linux distros with good solutions to a & b and other laptop vendors who tend to have a consistent interface.

    Of course you might need to account for shipping, purchasing, processing, or environmental costs in 'c', but even on the environmental front it's not a given that one device is better than 3, esp if it gets recycled well (many parts of the sandworn one will still work, and it'll be early enough that those, minus your HD, are reasonable used replacement parts in the right shop...)

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    1. Re:out of your box solutions including OS X by BobPaul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any linux distro would be good at A & B. Just install your distro, rsync your /home to the new computer, and reboot. Then all you need to do is re-install your software and, presumably, that's all in the repos. Anything not in the repos should be kept in deb/rpm/tgz files in your home folder somewhere.

      Outside of that, about the only thing you might want are backups of configs in /etc that you modified.

    2. Re:out of your box solutions including OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reinstall stuff?

      New Mac, import accounts from a Time Machine backup. All software, preferences, settings etc are copied over. You don't have to worry about anything. And you can go have lunch or a coffee as the backup is copied over.

      My new Mac is for all intents and purposes identical to my old one. Takes about 1.5 hours from a FireWire external HD.

      I do what you suggest at work on my Linux box. Takes an entire working day to get environment back up to where I was before.

    3. Re:out of your box solutions including OS X by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Really? An entire day? All of your settings are in your home folder, so that's a snap. Most of your software is probably in the repos, so you load up Synaptic or what-have-you and check all the boxes. Then you walk away.

      Or do you just have a slow-ass internet connection at work so it takes that long to download the software? You could copy your local repo cache over from the old computer, I suppose. That would contain a lot of the rpms or debs. Or if you're not upgrading the OS, just rsync the entire contents of the HD.

      The Mac way is probably more streamlined and user friendly, but it really shouldn't take a whole day.

  37. Opentec rugged Notebooks/Tablet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opentec

    Opentec make MIL-STD 810F compliant notebooks and tablet PCs. They supply to the Australian Defence Forces so I would think their stuff is quite tough.

    The price might be a bit on the high end, but I think you're getting what you pay for.

  38. Industy tested PC's by Dragon_Eater · · Score: 1

    At my work we routinely supply panel PC's for industrial conditions, water, dust etc.

    http://www.aispro.com/TabletPC/TabletPCQuery_Tab.asp?Type=1310

    They are well rated and have options for docking stations as well.

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  39. Samsung B2100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using a Samsung B2100 dumb-phone and I like it. It's main selling point is that it's waterproof, but it should be dustproof as well. It's UI is a bit wonky at times, but it's about on par with every other dumb-phone UI I've used.

  40. Roda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Roda with RK886EX (Rocky III+). Got free BIOS and stuff. Expensive Germany stuff but funny. No I do not work there.

  41. Panasonic Toughbook by DizTorDed · · Score: 0

    The keyboard is sealed. The external ports have covers. The harddrive is easily replacable without taking the laptop apart. I have the CF-19 for it's size but it is too small for some people. There are other modles with full size keyboard and a large screen.

  42. PIC computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a small box with no air vents that is very low power. You can get them cheap. They are slow, but very low power, they will run off a 12v battery hooked to a solar panel. http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html

  43. The clean and cold fridge. by zogger · · Score: 1

    I think that's an excellent idea. He just needs to look at the fridge and get a good schematic so wherever he drills the access holes for the cables doesn't hit anything important. Then once the cables are through, with a little duct tape gasket action, silicone seal the holes further.

        Before I read your post I was going to suggest a clean box with reversible gloves and a glass front to see through, but your idea is better.

    1. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      "Think of the beer!"

      It's not like the fridge even has to get down to freezing - just keeping the interior at room temperature would be good enough, though if it CAN get down to almost freezing, it not only adds the possibility of overclocking, but also the aforementioned beer to cool the human as well.

    2. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then you have a different problem: even with low humidity, you'll get condensation. This starts to be a problem at about 55 degrees, in my experience.

      Maybe keeping it at about 60 degrees would work okay, tho -- if the fridge will go that high.

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    3. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      The condensation won't be on the electronics - they're running hot.

      Besides, it's under warranty.

    4. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Just leave the fridge door open to vent things out a bit. BAM PROBLEM SOLVED.

    5. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, the object was partly to keep dust out... whoops, just defeated that purpose!!

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    6. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Tho one might get dripping from parts that aren't hot. And you'd have to turn off the fridge when the computer wasn't in use.

      Most warranties don't cover water damage!

      Still, there's probably something to the idea, if you set it so that it never reaches dew point. Fridges do seal fairly well, provided the door seal isn't damaged or dried out.

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    7. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Your experience involves waterblock coolers, doesn't it (where the waterblock drops below the dewpoint). That's not applicable in this case. But to be safe, he could always use a real, self-defrosting type refrigerator. These are very good at removing any humidity from the fridge, probably better than a small bar fridge would.

    8. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't have anything modern/hot enough to need a waterblock cooler, so no :)

      I suppose you could put your non-rugged laptop inside a real fridge with defroster, but that would be a trifle large for putting under the desk!!

      OTOH a real fridge might substitute for a server room, under severe conditions when it isn't practical to actually build a climate-controlled server room and you only need a handful or single rack worth of servers. Might even be quite cost-effective for construction and power costs in such situations.

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    9. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And QUIET! Think of it - throw a couple of servers in a fridge, paint it black, mount a couple of 16" tape reels on the freezer door and some flashing LEDs, and you'll have one heck of a retro case mod!

    10. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Haha! Now that's a hilarious image! And you're right, a fridge's thick walls would sure block the noise!

      [eyeing Sunon fans that last forever but sound like a helicopter] Computer, there may be a fridge in your future ;)~

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    11. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Still, as I originally stated, full fridge really shouldn't be necessary, as the ambient air temp will be lower than the electronics.

      Water condenses on a water cooling block because the block is colder than the air temp. The air near the block cools, lowering it's max humidity and water and moisture precipitates.

      In a non-defrosting fridge, the air is cool (say, 40F) so it can't hold much moisture. The coils, up in the mini-freezer, are extremely cold and cause the condensation mentioned above (and thus frost buildup). The computer, however, is warm. The heatsinks in the laptop are warmer than the ambient air. The air near the heatsinks increases in temperature, increasing its max humidity. No moisture will build up on the computer.

      Condensation is a problem for cold things in a warmer environment, not warmer things in a cold environment.

    12. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have seen condensation on a computer's case when the surrounding air temp was low enough that the hot components couldn't keep the case warm. So if the insides don't run hot enough to heat the case too, condensation on the case surface, which then drips, could still be a problem. Particularly on computers that have distinct temperature zones, as is commonly so with desktop models (not so much with laptops simply due to being so much smaller).

      So.. you'd want to run your fridge at 55-60 degrees, to ensure that nothing gets below dew point. While they do dehumidify pretty well, there are still condensation zones where air circulation isn't as good.

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    13. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      The dew point fluctuates with the temperature and humidity, you know.

      What you're describing sounds like a cold computer in a warm environment, such as a computer that was brought into a warm environment from a cold area, or a cold area blasted with warm, moist air (eg, air conditioned server room with door opened allowing hot, humid air in quickly).

      In a refrigerator, it won't be possible. The laptop case could never get colder than air temperature. If the case can't drop below air temp, it can't lead to condensation. Opening the fridge on a hot, humid day would be a problem, but the whole idea is to avoid opening the door anyway.

    14. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Ihmhi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh my, you're absolutely right! Clearly I should have realized that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. From this day forward I shall entirely refrain from making sarcastic and/or humorous posts as you have enlightened me to my wrongs.

      ...aw shit, did it again.

    15. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well, if you assume a totally closed-door setup that you don't bring stuff in and out of (ever or pretty close to it) that reduces the issue. Personally I'd toss in a bag of silicon marbles just to make sure.

      BTW do you always attempt identity theft on folks you disagree with? ;)

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    16. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Oh, right on. I guess I had assumed a totally closed-door setup as dust was the major concern, but the suggestion came with a joke about soda pop, so I can see how we weren't on the same page.

      And, no, this is the first time someone I disagreed with has attempted to steal my identity. ;)

    17. Re:The clean and cold fridge. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Haha... you'll have to go back 16 years online to finish that identity theft, not to mention filch a domain and a few other things ;)

      Meanwhile, I think we'll lock you in the fridge. I'll expect a firsthand report on both dust and condensatioon issues in a few weeks.

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  44. General Dynamics by Qyouth101 · · Score: 1

    I would check out the General Dynamics GoBook or General Dynamics GD8000. Pricey new, but reasonable used, fully ruggedized. Though I bought a Lenovo T510, and its a very very durable machine.

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  45. Ask The Folks Who Are Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the desert.

    A search of Amazon might help.

    Cheers,
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  46. OLPC by FreeBSD+evangelist · · Score: 5, Informative
    The One Laptop Per Child program (I have an original XO) builds for that exact environment.

    http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/index.shtml
    http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml

    There is a lightweight version of Windows they can run if you can't make it with "Sugar". You can find them on eBay.

  47. AMREL Rocky by JungleBoy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use an AMREL Rocky notebook in my field work. Hop out of the helicopter and toss it on the rocks while you unload other gear. Rain? No problem. Dust? No problem, it's completely sealed. The bottom is actually a finned heat sink bonded to the CPU. Since it has no fans/vents, it is a bit under-clocked. But it's awesome. http://www.amrel.com/rugged-computers/default.asp

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  48. Check out the Panasonic Tuffbook line of products by richardkelleher · · Score: 1

    I suspect you will find what you need somewhere in the Panasonic Tuffbook line of products. The market to industrial, field maintenance (the people who drive up mountains in their trucks to get to microwave towers and things like that), even the military. Then aren't always the latest technology because the are more focused on dependability and survivability.

  49. At that temp the operator dies anyway by name_already_taken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heat Sunks wont be very effective in a desert nvironment where the ambient air temp is hitting 50 C. Even an atom would need a fan in the desert

    Sorry, I've spent time in the Sahara desert, and it doesn't usually get that hot there - if it did the people retreat to someplace cooler. At 50 C (122 F) all the people will be dead, so there won't be anyone to worry about heatsinks or fans.

    There are heat pump devices, such as Peltier effect devices which with a large heatsink can keep things pretty cool even in the (fictional) temperature you mentioned. I have a project at work that's using Pelter devices to keep an electronic device similar in size and power dissipation to an external hard drive down around 80 F in a 130 F environment.

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    1. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where I live it can hit 122F (with almost no humidity), and it doesn't kill anyone (unless they're stupid). We usually get a month or so of highs at 115F with occasional spikes higher. Drink enough water and stay out of the direct sun and it's perfectly survivable.

      And you get used to it... one summer day I was working outside, and thinking what a nice pleasant day it was!! then I went back to the house and checked the thermometer: 118F.

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    2. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by rHBa · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent Up... On topic and talking from experience...

    3. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Where I live it can hit 122F (with almost no humidity), and it doesn't kill anyone (unless they're stupid).

      I assume not being stupid means staying in the shade, possibly with a fan or even air conditioning. Which means your laptop also has these benefits.

      Where on earth do you live? Unless it's North Africa or the Middle East, I think you're mistaken. These are the only places that regularly get that hot -- and the heat regularly kills people who can't get out of it.

    4. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Delhi and other places in the northern Indian plains regularly hit 45 in the shade so if you are out in a construction site it definitely hits 50. If you dont believe right now its March and its already 39 C. People function by wearing loose long sleeved clothes, hats and wrapping handkerchiefs soaked in water around the back of their necks but water would not be a good solution for a laptop.

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    5. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 1

      California desert. And it gets somewhat hotter over by Ridgecrest and in Death Valley than it does here. Here's the weather station that's in the same microclimate as my place, if you feel an urge to check us out during high summer -- http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=lox&sid=KWJF&num=168&raw=0&dbn=m or http://tinyurl.com/y9pda7q -- I am often outdoors during the heat of the day, tho I don't stand around in the sun any longer than I have to. But I don't have to bring a computer outdoors :)

      I've done a lot of summers without air conditioning, with at most a fan. Last summer I never did get around to fixing the swamp cooler, and it was regularly 95 or so in my house. The computer gets an external fan in summer and it helps a lot (20+ degrees difference, just from heat exchange thru the old-fashioned steel case).

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    6. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 1

      A while back I looked up the records and average temps for various cities in the Sahara, and was surprised to learn that even tho the Sahara's *average* temperature is higher, its extremes are not as hot as in the depths of the SoCal deserts.

      [goes off, finds handy C=F convertor at http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm%5D I see that 50C is 122F. Is Delhi humid or dry? Here it's so dry that if you don't vaseline your eyeballs at night, you wake up with raisins.

      My thermometer (which always matches the local NOAA.gov station) on a typical day in high summer:
      http://www.doomgold.com/misc/thermometer.jpg
      Couldn't find the pic offhand of the day it hit 122F here. The local NOAA.gov station recorded 121F that day.

      We get the sand and fine dust issue too, tho there aren't many people here who work outdoors with a computer (far as I've seen). But I've shoveled a couple inches of fine dust out of clients' PCs that sat near open windows... one I thought about turning into a planter instead, it was that bad :)

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    7. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Last summer I never did get around to fixing the swamp cooler, and it was regularly 95 or so in my house.

      Pretty darn hot -- but still way below 122. We're talking temperature where the laptop actually is.

    8. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you must have never heard of Arizona. In Phoenix, we have months of 100+ temps, spiking once at 128.

    9. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are, but I got the impression the inquiry was for outdoor use! Tho I doubt high air temperature is nearly the hazard that dust is, as the ultimate killer in those environments.

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    10. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if the temperature outside is 120 degrees, staying outside will kill you.

    11. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Now, if you used Celsius, people outside of the United States, Belize, Burma and Liberia would be able to understand the temperatures you are talking about :)

    12. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 1

      So far it's failed to kill either myself or my livestock (which are 100% outdoors). I'm always out in it for an hour or so at peak temp cuz I've got stuff that needs doing (like check water for the stock). And I've spent an ENTIRE day working outside at 112F, more than once. Maybe if you stand around in the raw sun all day, don't wear a hat, don't drink any water, and aren't smart enough to wet your head and your Tshirt once in a while it'll get you, or if you get dehydrated enough to stop sweating, but my experience (having lived in the desert for 25 years) is that it's perfectly survivable on a daily basis.

      At the opposite extreme, I've also lived (and worked outdoors) where -45 was the daily high in winter. You don't go stand naked in the snow either, but with ordinary preparation suitable for the environment, it's also perfectly survivable.

      Humans are amazingly adaptable creatures... Tho actually, the heat is easier (as the population density at the equator vs near the poles can attest). The limiting factor on population is water, not temperature.

      But I swear, the geek set has no common sense -- everyone talks like the only way to be out in such heat is to stand in the sun like a moron. They'd probably go outside in the snow in just their Tshirt and shorts too, then complain about frostbite and die of hypothermia.

      Hmm, there's another question: Is there a laptop designed to work at subzero temperatures?? Standard hard disks quit working at about 55 degrees or so.

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    13. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Reziac · · Score: 1

      True, but Celsius numbers just don't have the scare value of Fahrenheit temperatures ;)

      Tho as someone once pointed out, 0 to 100 is a much more *natural* numerical range if you're discussing human-comfortable environmental temperatures (rather than water-comfortable temps like Celsius refers to!), given that we tend to be creatures of base 10 (at least so long as we wear shoes ;)

      Crap, I'm so old that I still want to call it Centigrade!

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    14. Re:At that temp the operator dies anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolz.. i like the centigrade thing!

  50. Use Victoria's Secret brand by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    ...that way the end result will be sexy.

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  51. A simple solution by DryGrian · · Score: 1

    Seal your tablet in a vacuum-sealer, like the kind designed for food. I've been pondering ways to reinforce my netbook against impacts. I'm reluctant to just fabricate a steel case for it.

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    1. Re:A simple solution by IonOtter · · Score: 1

      I tried that once with my cellphone? It did seal it very well.

      Except the plastic ended up squashing all the buttons, including the power button, which turned it off. I tried letting a little air in, but then you couldn't hear or be heard. It was a nice try, but failed.

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    2. Re:A simple solution by DryGrian · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it, it would probably block the fan on a tablet or laptop. Perhaps a bit of particulate filter secured to a corresponding hole cut out in the plastic? All of the sudden the solution doesnt become so simple anymore, when you're fiddling with 6mil plastic, duct tape, and impulse sealers to fashion your own dustproof case...

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  52. Re:Check out the Panasonic Tuffbook line of produc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you spell so damn poorly? Your URL has the correct spelling, but you can't even bother to copy-paste it to elsewhere in your post! Jeez!

  53. Panasonic Toughbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You need a laptop rated to Military Standard 810F and IP54. A laptop that meets these standards will survive in the sahara, but only one that does, will.

    The Panasonic Toughbook range will meet your needs.

    Someone mentioned it above but misspelled it.

  54. Go native. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The natives do such-and-such, but I don't want to." This makes you a fucking moron.

  55. I've encountered the same problem... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    ...and solved it with Panasonic Toughbooks. I did SONAR research systems for a half a decade, and we always had problems with not just sand and dirt from the remote locations we were in, but often saltwater spray as well. Panasonic Toughbooks were the only laptops that stood up to everything we did, and never failed. Yes, they're expensive, but they're worth it, especially when you're paying $2500 per day for a research vessel and your laptop dies when you're 4 days out into the ocean. That's a $20,000 (there and back) failure.

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  56. Motion Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_f5.asp

    Very rugged, have used these personally for a client

  57. Don't want to migrate data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use vmware or similar to install the OS you use over the OS that boots.

    That way, when the laptop dies, all you need to copy off the harddrive is the virtual OS dir, and don't have to worry about finding drivers for your new laptop.

  58. Two words by mato · · Score: 1

    Panasonic Toughbook.

    They have a range from "Business rugged" all the way through to various MILSPEC certified models. All made in Japan (really!) and built unlike most products today. Made to last.

  59. I'll do the beta test by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust, but lots of food and no consideration as to "sensitive electronics"

  60. Buy many copies by pz · · Score: 1

    The people who work there already have this figured out, as you say, by replacing hardware every 6 to 12 months. So, buy identical copies of an inexpensive flash-based laptop and swap the drive each time you lose a chassis. Blowing out the chassis with compressed air frequently should help. If you're in an industrial setting, compressed air should be easy to come by, otherwise, a filling station should have some) frequently should help.

    I'd worry more about my lungs in an environment like that, though. You get more-or-less only one set of those, and definitely can't clean them easily.

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  61. Get you an air compressor w/ a blow nozzle . . . by sinai · · Score: 1

    ...and use it regularly.

  62. Old tuffbook + linux. by noob22 · · Score: 1

    I would recommend an getting an old Tuffbook off ebay for a few hundred bucks. Assuming you don't want to do any gaming or video editing it should be more than adequate for your needs. I currently have a CF-50 running Xubuntu, and it serves all my mobile computing needs, you could probably pick up a much better one for under $500. If your open to linux I would recommend any distro running Xfce for your OS for added speed. If it ends up getting screwed with sand and the like, you won't be too far in the hole.

  63. Fine sand? Try pet dust! by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Years ago, as a consultant, I was hired by a pet wholesaler to come up with a solution for his computers, which had a very short useful life before the dust got to 'em.

    The place was loaded with fine, silty dust, which was *everywhere* and all over everything despite their obvious effort to keep things clean. Birds, lizards, and other pets can generate an *insane* amount of this, and if you can imagine a large, heated warehouse where pets were bred and sold in volume, then you get the idea. They were having trouble keeping brand new computers running much more than a few months!

    After some consideration, I realized that the trick for the computer was in the air - the air, otherwise needed to cool the computer, carried the dust that just did the computers in. Most computer ventilation systems create *negative* pressure - air "sucks in" every possible crack, bringing dust with it. After getting clearance for a "non-standard solution", (they were DESPERATE!) here's what I came up with:

    1) Normal desktop computers. There were three of them, connected by a LAN.

    2) I removed the power supplies and reversed the fans (which normally blow outward) so that they blew inward.

    3) I got a bunch of HEPA air filters, 3 large, flat boxes, duct tape, and some dryer hose.

    I cut large, square holes on two sides of the box and duct-taped the hepa air filters so that they sealed over the holes. Then, I cut a hole on the small side for the dryer hose, and sealed the dryer hose to the back of the power supply on the computer. If I remember correctly, I put a cheap 6" fan in the bottom of the box to help blow air into the dryer hose, and sealed the box.

    This forced clean air into the computer, creating a *positive* air pressure of clean air inside the computer. This worked to push dush and silt out of the computer, and even worked to protect otherwise sensitive parts like the CD/DVD ROM drive. After 6 months, the computers were all working at 100% and they were happy! The solution was cheap, effective, and reliable.

    While I solved their problem with a bit of redneck engineering, you could probably use/modify a personal air filtration system from the likes of Sears or x-Mart.

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    1. Re:Fine sand? Try pet dust! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too bad about the normal keyboard, but how's your lung doing?

  64. Re:I think people are over looking the obvious cho by Telecommando · · Score: 1

    You made this comment just so you could use abici in a sentence, didn't you? ;-)

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  65. toughbook by gearloos · · Score: 1

    Panasonic Toughbooks are pretty hard to beat(literally). Had a CF-29 for a long time now and droped, wet, etc.. no problem. CF-30 I think is current model.

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  66. I worked in Iraq for a couple of years, and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used a cheap-ass Dell Vostro. I backed it up with Acronis and was ready to use the universal restore to any other cheap replacement but the thing never died. After dust storms I would blow out the process cooling fins and keyboard. No big deal, back your stuff up and use whatever.

  67. Macbooks by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

    I'd go and grab one or more MacBooks. Rugedised gear makes Apple pricing look dead cheap and the mac has a couple of other features which will be helpful, depending on how long you are out there.

    1. You can easily port your data, setting and user profile to another Mac, even onto the net. This gets you back in the field quickly if anything goes wrong.
    2. Macs are designed to have few holes or obtrusions.
    3. They are relatively easy to take apart and when you have the keyboard area is dead easy to clean as is the motherboard.

    So, grab a Mac or two and some duct tape and Chux cloths. Duct tape up all the ports you're not using and across the front slot of the DVD burner. Fold the Chux cloth over a few times and tape it down over the vents. Close the laptop up whenever you're not typing something. Wipe the keyboard clean every so often with a damp cloth - or hit it with a can of compressed air.

    When the Mac is too choked up to keep working well, transport the data to the other Mac and you get to keep working seemlessly. A sync every night is a sensible option. The chocked up Mac gets opened up and carefully cleaned during the night in a clean environment, put back together and ready to go out again as needed.

    RAIM - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Macs ;p

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  68. Thought about a dirt bag? by Hillview · · Score: 1

    I realize it's not exactly what you asked for, but a Dirt Bag (http://dirtbag.biz/) may be useful in some cases. They're made for desktops & tower cases though, not laptops.

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  69. Husky.co.uk by TooTechy · · Score: 1

    If you want the absolute best then go military spec. Husky has been making water,disaster proof computers for years. Looks like they were bought.

    http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch_II

  70. Re:Check out the Panasonic Tuffbook line of produc by richardkelleher · · Score: 1

    Why thank you very much!

  71. Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Ruggedized by j0uSt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work offshore and was going through laptops quite regularly but all that changed when I picked up the XFR laptop. They are very sturdy but are much lighter than the tough book PC's which I also find kind of outdated.

    They come in both touch and non-touch screen laptops with 14.1 or 12.1 inch screens. Some of the best features I have found about these laptops are the fact that they have VGA out, SSD hard drives, ability to charge your cell phone (or other USB devices) while the laptop is turned off and it comes with a 3G SIM card slot for mobile broadband built in.

    Just my 2 cents.

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  72. I live in dusty farm land - with brown dust colour by dogzdik · · Score: 0
    Several points..

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    Dust tends to fall down and blow across, not up into.

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    (strong winds don't count)

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    Keep your laptop in a plastic garbage bag at all times - except when you are actually using it.

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    It's something like the average person only uses their PC about 6 hours a day, so by wrapping it in plastic - that is 18 hours less for the dust to get into it.

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    OR

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    Make up an inverted glass fish tank, as that lets you leave it running and the glass dissipates the heat.

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    And you can do things like use blue tack (soft adhesive) to retain a film of cling wrap across the keyboard and down the sides - just don't block up the air ports.

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    Ummmmm add a centripital air filter to your work environment - like what 4WD vehicles have, before the paper element filter.

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    It won't filter out 100% of all airborn dust, but it will remove about 95%.

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    Get a water "air cooling" tower and suck your cool cleaned and humidified air from that, into your office.

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    Most of the really best ideas fall into 3 categories;

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    1. Reduce the amount of contaminants going into your environment and

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    2. Shield the components in that environment - to the actual time they are being used and

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    3. Fit common sense shielding where most of the dust is likely to go, most of the time.

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  73. Built for truly rough conditions by tonycole · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hi you might consider buying one of the computers made by X2 Computers. An English outfit who specialise in making laptops for Firemen, Police men and the military, so their computers are tough, and obviously dust proof too. Having lived in Beijing, where the Gobi desert sent huge sand storm to us, I iknow what you mean about desert dust, it kills machines! Anyhow, here is their URL.. have a look, and good luck. www.x2mc.co.uk/website1

  74. Wow, fine contaminate. by threehams · · Score: 1

    This is tricky, really. Ultra fine contaminate is basically beyond the scope of most rugged gear. The problem I see here is that in these types of environments it will be very difficult to operate any type of machine requiring ventilation. If an air current can penetrate the gear, it is more than likely that fine contaminates will penetrate the gear. I'm not aware of any surfaces that are permeable by gas but not microscopic contaminate without a dramatic filter system. I think the solution(long term) that you might look at will be to use a portable "safe room" on the cheap. Setting up a safe environment will take extra time, and training, but what you might save in hardware and productivity may justify the cost. I guess it might largely depend on the steps to interface with machines(stairs, narrow walkways, tarzan ropes) however I could envision a reusable portable sterile room. I imagine that hardware users are probably a HUGE part of why micro contaminates enter the hardware, since they are on every inch of a user long before they penetrate the hardware, the more a "dirty" user touches of interfaces with hardware components, the worse it gets. This seems deeper than a simple manufactured solution.

  75. Use fanless computer designed for industrial autom by stasike · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fanless computers for industrial automation, for example the ones made by Advantech can take LOTS of abuse. They work at coke battery plant, steel plant, sintering plant, ... places that can be at least as hostile as a desert.

    A nice example is here:
    http://www.advantech.com/eAutomation/fanless-box-pcs/Default.aspx

  76. Not worth it by 1s44c · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Panasonic make some very nice tough laptops, there are also a few other makers around that claim they make tough laptops.

    However my advice is don't bother. The cost of a low end panasonic toughbook is over 6 times the cost of a good spec thinkpad. The toughbook is unlikely to last 6 times longer and even if it does it's going to be obsolete by that time. Unless your life depends on that one laptop working right now just buy good quality ( not acer ) decent spec laptops and replace either the whole laptop or parts as needed.

    You need good and tested backups in any case as even the best laptop could get stolen.

    1. Re:Not worth it by pev · · Score: 1

      Does the software in your digital watch become obsolete eventually?

      It depends on what you want to do. I know many people that use tough-books for information systems e.g. online workshop manuals in garages etc. Where there's no need to upgrade because the software does the job and doesn't change often. This kind of application is the audience that Panasonic target, not people who want to play FPS's on a beach... This is also why there hardware is behind the cutting edge, because they want to test components and chipsets etc and see how they get road-tested by other people first.

    2. Re:Not worth it by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't so much whether a ThinkPad will last a sixth of the time of a Toughbook but whether it will last the month. The problem with low level home-ruggedisation (covering up points of ingress) is that you screw with the cooling.

  77. Re:I think people are over looking the obvious cho by mxh83 · · Score: 1

    where are the mod points when you need them?

  78. Desert tech workspace. Minimise dust in gear tips. by qwerty8ytrewq · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suggest: 1. control the environment eg, seal the windows, fit a door closer. 2. get a hard airtight case for when you travel. pelican, kincrome, storm etc... this is when your lappy gets really dusty and hammered most. even cheap tupperware is better than a soft bag. 3. backup store your data elsewhere (2X swapping usb mass store or cloud) data on a laptop does not really exist unless it is backed up. 4. get component based. (eg a small brain, separate DVD, keyboard, memory store, display etc. not so portable, but you can replace bits easy. 5. copy the locals. you live in a remote desert area, reliability is very very very expensive because all the tech is operating at the extremem edge of its design spec. heat, dust, etc... I run a digital music and media studio in the central desert of Australia with about 15 different computers, emacs, mac minis, PC towers, macbook pro, PC laptops, Imacs, printers, scanners etc. (Wilurarra Creative). The red dust is fine and worse, conductive from Ferrous oxides. I have been here for 3 years. I fitted a hydraulic door closer the the front door to cut dust made a HUGE difference. also, seal any draft leaks (duct tape, sealant, whatever). sounds dumb, but mopping the floor of your workspace may help keep dust down.

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  79. Canned silicone? by xtracto · · Score: 1

    We live in a very humid climate with lots of dust and sand in Mexico. Usually one of the first things people in the know do after getting a new computer is to spray it with silicone spray (or something like that), supposedly it will protect the computer from outside dust.

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  80. Keyboard covers by pev · · Score: 1

    It's been quite a long time since modern laptops used cooling systems that suck in air through vents and blowing the warmed air out through the keyboard in-between the keys... Is it any surprise that all the dust being sucked in was being stopped by the keyboard cover? I would also be unsurprised if this was causing problems for its cooling and probably reducing the life of the laptop...

    I'd suggest that a better approach (if feasible) would be to use a netbook that doesn't generate so much heat and hence rely on internal airflow to cool - and hence sucking in dust at the same time...

    1. Re:Keyboard covers by v1 · · Score: 1

      A lot of the newer computers go the other way, sucking air IN through the keyboard and out the back.

      Has the benefit of actually being cooler on the fingers than would be otherwise even without venting through the keyboard.

      Though I can't think of any laptops offhand that actually forced air out through the keyboard. I've used a few models that definitely dissipated heat through the keyboard, but none that had a fan actually pressing the point. They were just driven by "heat rises".

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  81. Ruggedized fieldbook maybe? by AlchemyX · · Score: 1

    I would definitely recommend Logic Instruments Fieldbook - extensive review here http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_logic_instrument_fieldbook.html
    or one of Panasonic Toughbooks. Friend uses one on a boat and it works flawlessly.

  82. Pantyhose by xnok · · Score: 0

    A cheap and quick solution to keep the dust out would be to use a pantyhose on the keyboard -- does not reduce usability much and keeps most of the dust / sand particles out. --

  83. Try Refurbished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several cost-effective ways of getting what you desire. One of them is to buy a refurbished Panasonic Toughbook from a site like www.toughbookexchange.com.

  84. Panasonic Toughbooks aren't all tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're probabily aware of the fully rugged Panasonic Toughbooks but their "business rugged" machines are a great alternative. The T, R, Y etc series are fanless, ventless and have little gromets sealings ports here and there, like their tougher cousins, but they're small, light machines with a minimum amount of armour with fantastic battery life. The keyboards and connectors are made to higher specs. Highly recommended. There are some "semi rugged" models such as CF-73 and CF-51 that have fans. Those are more drop resistant than environment resistant. I've run both and the "business rugged" models win out for dusty/moist conditions. Btw, I commute by bicycle in Arizona and tend to leave windows open rather than run the A/C. It can be pretty dusty here too and most machines clog after a year here.

  85. Try Panasonic's line of Toughbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am typing this from a Panasonic CF-29 Toughbook and I am in the middle east right now. This toughbook has been to the desert for a total of 27 months and is still working well. It has a touchscreen, CAC reader, and other fun stuff but only 2 USB ports. It has been dropped on the concrete floor numerous times as I rush from router/switch to router/switch and is still going strong.

    These laptops are beasts but the MSRP made them unobtainable to all but corporate/government purchase. You can get them off of eBay and government auctions for a lot less now.

  86. Re:Linux host and Vmware by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

    --Best of both worlds: Linux host OS and Vmware guest (Windows)

    o The VM is portable and shouldn't go thru Reactivation after migration unless the *virtual* hardware changes significantly

    o The host OS is fairly simple to reconfigure (as stated above) if the drive is moved to a different machine

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