This isn't just about "indoctrinating kids". It's about dividing families along emotional lines -- because kids who feel alienated from their parents are that much easier to suck into cults. And make no mistake, PETA is essentially a cult.
Cattle aren't generally grazed on arable land, but rather on otherwise-unproductive grassland:
About 2/3rds of the habitable land surface of North America CANNOT be farmed (due to rough terrain or lack of water) -- but it CAN be used to convert grass, which humans CANNOT digest, into high-quality protein by way of a cow's digestive system.
By your argument, we should give up all use of these grasslands -- but that means we also give up about 90% of our protein production WITHOUT GAINING ANY CROPLAND IN RETURN.
In my experience, waterfowl of any species will take the route that fills their gullet the fastest. They are both GREEDY and lazy, and if you can show them a way to stuff themselves that they can't do on their own or that takes less effort (ie. requires no foraging), they'll gladly participate!
Actually, until a couple hundred years ago, almost everyone had to butcher at least some of their own meat. Yet there were almost no willing vegetarians until only a couple decades ago.
I'm thinking that if you're lost at sea, you'd rather have a solar-powered freshwater collector with random microbial crud growing in it, than have to drink seawater (not exactly a productive exercise). To support one medium-sized human, how large of a unit would be required, and how much solar power? If it could be got down to portable size, this could be a useful gadget. (Actually, I thought such a gadget already existed??)
Meanwhile, my first thought was exactly the same as the initial post -- aha, the dehumidifier, with handy optional potability filter!!
If UV sterilized everything, you'd think the Great Outdoors would be microbe-free, and that's hardly the case (nor would we like living here much if it were!:)
I'm reminded of an experiment we did in some advanced college microbiology course. First we grew bacteria from random realworld samples, then assaulted it with various antibiotics to kill it off. Well, that much worked, but all sorts of other interesting slime then grew on the agar instead.:)
Another thought you just gave me: how to prevent a keylogger from getting into the action?
Possible solution: instead of displaying the password to the initiator, have the server email it separately to the invitees, maybe as a unique hash in the URL sent to each. That way only invited guests could show up. Only downside is that you'd have to provide email addys to the server, and if someone is that set on snooping, they probably could intervene and send their own emails. But if the hash doesn't match, the server should not let the recipients log in, so that should be solved by this as well.
Disclaimer: I'm pulling this out of my ass; it's not a field I actually know anything about, but some of the possible solutions seem fairly obvious.
Agreed. I would further postulate that the fundamental divider between a free state and a totalitarian state is the direction in which information flows. The former is bidirectional; the latter is unidirectional. At present, all the wiretap laws favour the latter.
The description reminds me of Wildcat BBS chat mode -- it's all realtime too. The only downside is that it's logged in realtime as well, rather than what's on the screen, so the BBS's stored document is as messy as your typing. No reason you can't screencap it with some scrollit type tool, tho...
Ah, hell, scrollit is for DOS; is there a similar capture tool for Windows??
All true enough. So is there a (preferably free:) alternative that, say, I could run on my own PC, or on my own web host, and would work by my directly inviting others? (I'm wondering if some aspect of the bittorrent protocol might be useful here.) The idea is to avoid using any system that we don't have complete access control of.
Couldn't this be gotten around by requiring a login password along with the URL that you're about to send to your collaborators? It's unlikely that such an attack could find BOTH the URL and the password at the same time.
The application could generate the password along with the URL, to ensure that it's both random and not readily guessable.
People in low places claim that there are ways to find and make use of other folks' IP addresses, and IIRC part of it was much as you say -- "wrong lease" and "live but not presently in use". That was some years ago but I doubt it's changed much.
Since current atmospheric conditions wouldn't allow ice formation (it would just sublimate) -- at some point in the past, Mars must have had a decently thick atmosphere, which probably got blown off by some natural catastrophe -- maybe the crunch-up of the hypothetical next-planet-out (now known as the asteroid belt).
See also my reply about our small desert tarantulas, which eat whole grasshoppers, and do so VERY quickly!!
There was nothing careful about how my pet spider ate grasshoppers. It just grabbed 'em and started chowing down like a kid gobbling a hotdog. It would eat one every other day or so, if I offered it. I don't know where the hell it was putting all that; not nearly as much came out the other end. Maybe it was a tardis spider!
Sometimes it ate the grasshopper's legs, sometimes not; I think it was simply chance of what got severed and fell away from its mouth. Regardless, the entire process took only about 15 seconds -- it was really amazing to watch.
We have a small tarantula here in the high desert that gets about half as big as a man's little finger, plus legs. One summer I kept one in a jar and fed it live grasshoppers. It must not have required its food to be all that liquid -- this spider would eat a grasshopper nearly as large as itself in 15 seconds flat. Munch-munch-munch-GONE, exoskeleton, innards, and all (except it sometimes didn't eat all the legs). It almost looked like a magic trick -- "how did you stuff that big grasshopper into that little spider??"
BTW these tarantulas' vision is apparently good enough to tell when a human is approaching with lunch. If I just came up to look, it would ignore me. If I had a grasshopper in my hand, it would get excited and run round and round in its jar.
I let wolf spiders live in the house for the same reason -- they help keep the long-legger spider population down to a mere nuisance, and they don't make any mess themselves. Don't seem to help any with the black widows, tho (which are like a plague here in the high desert). -- Wonder if our small tarantulas would eat black widows? They sure like grasshoppers! Munch-munch-munch-gone, that fast! But they leave significant-sized poo, too....:(
As to the missing spider... if they were in reach of one another, my guess is that the other spider ATE it.
I've known people who have an innate and apparently intinctive fear of spiders and/or snakes, even without prior exposure. My mom reacts to ANY snake just like a monkey -- literally! she jumps onto the nearest raised object, screams and points, exactly like a monkey does when it sees a snake. My neighbour is the same way about spiders, and "sees" them as roughly 10x their actual size.
I'm the opposite -- my reactions are all predator, and never prey animal:)
Wow, just what a teacher friend wanted. Thanks for the link.
Now, you don't happen to know of free replacements for Harvard ChartXL, do you? What I really need is 3-D graphing -- to make a long project short, I need to map a 3-D starfield and calculate distances between 'em.
An AC responds down in the invisible but sometimes worthwhile "Score:0" range: ===== Said during WW2:
When German planes came over, the allies took cover When British planes came over, the Germans took cover When American planes came over, everyone took cover...
There is a difference between analyzing and over-analyzing. =====
Exactly my point, and the GP's point. Analyze as much as necessary, but don't overdo it, or you too could become a statistic.... the over-analyzer stands there calculating the precise trajectory and impact point of the incoming grenade, while everyone else instantly decides the good-enough answer is "too damn close" and hitails it for cover. Which group do you suppose survives?:)
I don't think it's meant to be more than short-term. I think it's meant to be a get-rich-quick scheme that has the benefit of lots of people doing the grunt work essentially for free.
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In a lot of the world, human shit is used as fertilizer -- for the very vegetables we buy in our groceries and even specialty marketplaces.
Given that, yes, I want ALL my vegetables dipped in bleach.
(Well, if I ate vegetables. :)
This isn't just about "indoctrinating kids". It's about dividing families along emotional lines -- because kids who feel alienated from their parents are that much easier to suck into cults. And make no mistake, PETA is essentially a cult.
Cattle aren't generally grazed on arable land, but rather on otherwise-unproductive grassland:
About 2/3rds of the habitable land surface of North America CANNOT be farmed (due to rough terrain or lack of water) -- but it CAN be used to convert grass, which humans CANNOT digest, into high-quality protein by way of a cow's digestive system.
By your argument, we should give up all use of these grasslands -- but that means we also give up about 90% of our protein production WITHOUT GAINING ANY CROPLAND IN RETURN.
In my experience, waterfowl of any species will take the route that fills their gullet the fastest. They are both GREEDY and lazy, and if you can show them a way to stuff themselves that they can't do on their own or that takes less effort (ie. requires no foraging), they'll gladly participate!
Actually, until a couple hundred years ago, almost everyone had to butcher at least some of their own meat. Yet there were almost no willing vegetarians until only a couple decades ago.
Great, here you are at the very bottom of the page, *after* I've already read all those uninformative posts! ;)
I'm thinking that if you're lost at sea, you'd rather have a solar-powered freshwater collector with random microbial crud growing in it, than have to drink seawater (not exactly a productive exercise). To support one medium-sized human, how large of a unit would be required, and how much solar power? If it could be got down to portable size, this could be a useful gadget. (Actually, I thought such a gadget already existed??)
Meanwhile, my first thought was exactly the same as the initial post -- aha, the dehumidifier, with handy optional potability filter!!
If UV sterilized everything, you'd think the Great Outdoors would be microbe-free, and that's hardly the case (nor would we like living here much if it were! :)
I'm reminded of an experiment we did in some advanced college microbiology course. First we grew bacteria from random realworld samples, then assaulted it with various antibiotics to kill it off. Well, that much worked, but all sorts of other interesting slime then grew on the agar instead. :)
Another thought you just gave me: how to prevent a keylogger from getting into the action?
Possible solution: instead of displaying the password to the initiator, have the server email it separately to the invitees, maybe as a unique hash in the URL sent to each. That way only invited guests could show up. Only downside is that you'd have to provide email addys to the server, and if someone is that set on snooping, they probably could intervene and send their own emails. But if the hash doesn't match, the server should not let the recipients log in, so that should be solved by this as well.
Disclaimer: I'm pulling this out of my ass; it's not a field I actually know anything about, but some of the possible solutions seem fairly obvious.
Most insightful thing I've seen all day.
I'd further do a slight edit:
"Anybody who only notices and gets upset when
somebody in his political party is violated is somebody who does not truly care about privacy"
This applies not only to privacy, but also to everything else as well!!
Agreed. I would further postulate that the fundamental divider between a free state and a totalitarian state is the direction in which information flows. The former is bidirectional; the latter is unidirectional. At present, all the wiretap laws favour the latter.
The description reminds me of Wildcat BBS chat mode -- it's all realtime too. The only downside is that it's logged in realtime as well, rather than what's on the screen, so the BBS's stored document is as messy as your typing. No reason you can't screencap it with some scrollit type tool, tho...
Ah, hell, scrollit is for DOS; is there a similar capture tool for Windows??
All true enough. So is there a (preferably free :) alternative that, say, I could run on my own PC, or on my own web host, and would work by my directly inviting others? (I'm wondering if some aspect of the bittorrent protocol might be useful here.) The idea is to avoid using any system that we don't have complete access control of.
Couldn't this be gotten around by requiring a login password along with the URL that you're about to send to your collaborators? It's unlikely that such an attack could find BOTH the URL and the password at the same time.
The application could generate the password along with the URL, to ensure that it's both random and not readily guessable.
People in low places claim that there are ways to find and make use of other folks' IP addresses, and IIRC part of it was much as you say -- "wrong lease" and "live but not presently in use". That was some years ago but I doubt it's changed much.
I know, but even if it's a failed planet -- might whatever reason it failed also be why Mars now lacks a proper atmosphere??
I suspect once we get more data, we're going to find that a lot of what we thought about Out There... ain't so :)
Since current atmospheric conditions wouldn't allow ice formation (it would just sublimate) -- at some point in the past, Mars must have had a decently thick atmosphere, which probably got blown off by some natural catastrophe -- maybe the crunch-up of the hypothetical next-planet-out (now known as the asteroid belt).
See also my reply about our small desert tarantulas, which eat whole grasshoppers, and do so VERY quickly!!
There was nothing careful about how my pet spider ate grasshoppers. It just grabbed 'em and started chowing down like a kid gobbling a hotdog. It would eat one every other day or so, if I offered it. I don't know where the hell it was putting all that; not nearly as much came out the other end. Maybe it was a tardis spider!
I can contradict that from firsthand observation -- our desert tarantulas eat whole grasshoppers, leaving little or nothing behind. See previous post http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1036301&cid=25837723
Sometimes it ate the grasshopper's legs, sometimes not; I think it was simply chance of what got severed and fell away from its mouth. Regardless, the entire process took only about 15 seconds -- it was really amazing to watch.
We have a small tarantula here in the high desert that gets about half as big as a man's little finger, plus legs. One summer I kept one in a jar and fed it live grasshoppers. It must not have required its food to be all that liquid -- this spider would eat a grasshopper nearly as large as itself in 15 seconds flat. Munch-munch-munch-GONE, exoskeleton, innards, and all (except it sometimes didn't eat all the legs). It almost looked like a magic trick -- "how did you stuff that big grasshopper into that little spider??"
BTW these tarantulas' vision is apparently good enough to tell when a human is approaching with lunch. If I just came up to look, it would ignore me. If I had a grasshopper in my hand, it would get excited and run round and round in its jar.
I let wolf spiders live in the house for the same reason -- they help keep the long-legger spider population down to a mere nuisance, and they don't make any mess themselves. Don't seem to help any with the black widows, tho (which are like a plague here in the high desert). -- Wonder if our small tarantulas would eat black widows? They sure like grasshoppers! Munch-munch-munch-gone, that fast! But they leave significant-sized poo, too.... :(
As to the missing spider... if they were in reach of one another, my guess is that the other spider ATE it.
I've known people who have an innate and apparently intinctive fear of spiders and/or snakes, even without prior exposure. My mom reacts to ANY snake just like a monkey -- literally! she jumps onto the nearest raised object, screams and points, exactly like a monkey does when it sees a snake. My neighbour is the same way about spiders, and "sees" them as roughly 10x their actual size.
I'm the opposite -- my reactions are all predator, and never prey animal :)
Wow, just what a teacher friend wanted. Thanks for the link.
Now, you don't happen to know of free replacements for Harvard ChartXL, do you? What I really need is 3-D graphing -- to make a long project short, I need to map a 3-D starfield and calculate distances between 'em.
An AC responds down in the invisible but sometimes worthwhile "Score:0" range:
=====
Said during WW2:
When German planes came over, the allies took cover ...
When British planes came over, the Germans took cover
When American planes came over, everyone took cover
There is a difference between analyzing and over-analyzing.
=====
Exactly my point, and the GP's point. Analyze as much as necessary, but don't overdo it, or you too could become a statistic.... the over-analyzer stands there calculating the precise trajectory and impact point of the incoming grenade, while everyone else instantly decides the good-enough answer is "too damn close" and hitails it for cover. Which group do you suppose survives? :)
I don't think it's meant to be more than short-term. I think it's meant to be a get-rich-quick scheme that has the benefit of lots of people doing the grunt work essentially for free.