So who is going to subsidize the infrastructure costs for these satellite and microwave installations for the boondocks? and why hasn't it already happened?
BTW, check out the price of a new combine someday. Last I looked (back around 1980) they ran around a quarter of a million dollars. Seems to me that since a farmer's net on a loaf of bread is only about 5 cents, that combine oughta cost a good deal less than the car you use to commute to your $30/hour job.;)
No, but a friend's husband and his dad run a maintenance business at an airport. And I'm aware of stuff like ADs and the insane cost per minute for jet aircraft.
Another thing, tho, and probably more to the point than upfront costs, is what it does for corporate image when you're trying to land a multimillion dollar enterprise contract. At that level, a private jet's upkeep costs might become a trivial marketing expense.
My real point is that these shareholders are not looking beyond this week's almighty bottom line. Maybe the jets are a stupid and needless expense best dispensed with; or maybe they're marketing's #1 tool for swinging the most lucrative deals. We here at/. don't know, and I'll wager neither do the shareholders; all they see is that it's an item in the expense column.
When I was at the latest Novell seminar, they brought up the point that they already have over 90% of the non-x86 server market. They acquired SuSE with the intent of expanding their share in the x86 market (which as you say, they've lost most of what once they had to Windows).
They also mentioned that they have a billion in cash on hand, and no debt. So Novell isn't hurting, tho it sounds like certain shareholders want to change that.:/
And looking at the prices some companies are paying to acquire other companies, many of which then go entirely to waste (even if they weren't bought for the express purpose of killing them), it occurs to me that over the long term, it is probably more cost-effective to have your own in-house R&D.
But that benefits neither today's shareholders nor tomorrow's speculators. -- What happened to benefiting your customers for today, tomorrow, and the future, so as to have a steady and predictable income??
As I mention in another post, I think it would behoove companies to look seriously at going back to being privately held, to avoid being at the mercy of shortsighted investors. Yeah, so they won't have the piles of investors' cash to play with, but lacking that slushpile, maybe then they'd be more interested in attracting loyal *customers*.
Great! All the farmers move to town, cuz otherwise they can't get basic phone service.
NOW what are you going to eat? bread imported from China?? China is going to LOVE that.
PS. I've personally lived (long-term) where phone service of ANY sort was just flat not available. If you haven't, maybe you shouldn't have the right to decide what it's okay for someone else to do without, because you don't know what you're talking about until you've DONE without.
The investors obviously looked at the "success" of HP's gutting their R&D Dept. and decided that Novell should emulate HP.
Methinks it's time for more companies to consider going back to being privately held (as Corel did), so as not to be at the mercy of investors who can't see beyond today's bottom line.
Actually, some companies DO make money on their corporate jets, by renting them to other companies for executive flights.
I don't know if Novell's jets are fully paid-for (however, Novell says it has "zero debt" so they may be) but if so, their upkeep may cost considerably less than a half-dozen executive tickets every month, at a couple grand apiece. You don't hire your own mechanic for that, you know -- you use the company (or one of several at a big airport) that does maintenance for private craft at your home airport.
You forgot to mention that the telcos are allowed to charge customers not only the mandated fee itself, but as much OVER the mandated fee as the market will bear -- and the telcos get to pocket the difference.
Yes, maybe your phone service will cost you $100/month and your internet $200/month in rural farm country Kansas. Maybe phone and internet together runs someone in downtown Boston 30/month. The people in Kansas need to get over it.
That's all well and good until you realise that the $300 you're talking about can be a whole week of average wages in rural Kansas. Can YOU afford to pay 25% of your monthly income just to get basic telephone and internet access??
And remember, cellular service in rural areas is typically spotty to absent.
I think all that would happen is that telephone solicitors would no longer operate out of local boilerrooms, but rather would outsource to independent contractors, preferably in 3rd world countries (actually, I've read that this has already happened). How are you going to get a misdemeanor conviction of someone wardialing from an outsourcing center in Singapore? especially if convenient layers of corporate misdirection lie between them and the real culprit, who might well be in Belize.
As to being "adjacent to public property", your example is more like leaving the sidewalk (reasonably assumed to be public) to tramp across the front lawn (reasonably assumed to be private property). Just because it's "adjacent" and lacks a "trespassers will be shot" sign doesn't mean you can't figure out where the boundary lies.
Sure. Then every time someone wants to get someone else in trouble, they just claim the other person didn't have permission to call their unlisted number, and file charges against 'em. Wrong numbers happen, should they be penalized too? There are a lot of problems with penalizing based on the *type* of phone listing.
It's exactly like saying "It's okay to trespass on my property if my house number is plain for all to see, but if my house number is hidden, then trespassing on my property will be penalized."
If anything has to be penalized, it ought to be the other way around.
I agree. Free speech doesn't mean you get to grab me by the hand and shout into my ear, but that's literally what phone marketers do when they ignore requests to remove your number from their calling lists. If I want to wear earplugs (stop you from calling me), you shouldn't have the right to yank out my earplugs and yell into my ear anyway. And I shouldn't have to superglue my earplugs in place to prevent such behaviour.
By my political definitions, the libertarian/free-market ideal would pay attention to property boundaries, including those I set for myself on "push" communication. Conversely, forced reception of telemarketing as an application of "free speech" reeks of uber-socialist "we know what's best for you".
It's a lot like spam. I don't mind the very occasional announcement (commercial, charity beg, whatever) about whatever they're hawking. What makes us hate it is the repeated annoyance of having to deal with the same announcement over and over and over, day in and day out. How is repetitive telemarketing any different??
I do like the notion someone below put forth, of caller ID having a "charity bit" or "commercial bit" which you could choose to block. This could even be reversed into a "whitelist bit", for the [flamebait] paranoids who are afraid of getting ANY calls from strangers. [/flamebait] (I actually know some people like that.)
[Myself, I don't get ANY junk calls, because about 15 years ago I got pissed at the morons who call for the Daily News, and told them to DNC me. Turns out they use a master phone number list, and as a result I fell off ALL the telemarketing lists. I miss 'em about like I miss boils on my ass.]
Another old trick was to let the modem answer the phone...:)
Which reminds me, another of my Odd Tools for PC Tinkers is one of the punch-outs from a cheap case's card slot. The curl on the raw edge is just right for serious scraping on VGA pins that have become corroded. Thus I've restored full colour to several monitors that had decided the world was only pink or green. (Wire brush sounds more civilized, but doesn't scrape 'em well enough.)
One of my indispensible tools: the smallest-size needle-nosed ViseGrips. Great for removing round screws with stripped heads. Occasionally useful as a clamp or prying tool. (You know the motherboard is warped when you have to use visegrips to remove a Slot-1 CPU:)
Other oddities I've found useful, that are in my portable kit:
Dentist's mirror (good for checking jumpers without having to remove a cramped drive) Magnifying lens that I can stick down into small spots (mine is just a lens salvaged from a big projector) Twisty-ties (easier to redo than cable ties) Very small plastic cocktail straw, or WD40 straw (for poking stuff out of small places) Pipe cleaners (for getting gunk out of glued-together heatsink/fan arrangements) Toothbrush (for removing stuck-on gunk) Cap from a BIC Stic pen (the skinny part is good for stopping PSU fan when I need to check its spin-up, or to momentarily cut its noise to hear something else) Rest of the BIC Stic pen (the point is just the right size for shorting between the power-on or reset pins, without having to fumble with the wiring harness, or poke 'em with a screwdriver that might touch Something Unexpected)
I do question magnetizing screwdrivers, tho. Do you really WANT a magnet poking around next to magnetically-sensitive equipment?
When I need to put a screw in some tiny place, I use one of those 3-prong screw extractor/pickup tools (three little bent wires that can be extended from a small plastic tube). It's not only good for picking screws up, it's good for starting them in spots too small for anything but a narrow tool. (Also for removing them the last couple turns, so they don't fall down inside the PC.)
Another indispensible "tool": a wooden plank, about 12x24 inches. Good for working on loose motherboards, as the small height is enough to let you put cards in the mobo without having to face it any particular direction. (Tho here I usually just drape it across an open case that's serving as the temporary power supply.) In my portable kit, I have a piece of heavy dull-surfaced cardboard that does the same job.
One thing I always warn my customers about, is that EVERY time you open up a PC, you run a small but definite risk that it will "just die" for no visible reason.
I suspect these "just die" incidents are a result of microfractures in the motherboard traces, due to accumulated heating/cooling stress; the small shocks from moving and opening the case are the last straw for a cracked trace, and it finally breaks for real. You don't even have to touch anything inside for this to happen. Likely it's more of a problem with cheap cases that have too much flex in 'em.
In my experience, static isn't much of an issue with most components. I don't use a static strap (one tech I know who deals with a lot of $erver$ says they don't work anyway), but I do spray the carpet with Downy, which keeps the static buildup at zero.
The real joke was... most techies have seen that often enough to realise it wasn't a joke!:D
Most Joe Sixpacks don't grok the diff between a separate HD and a second partition on the same HD. So where do they back up their data...?? Right! Oooops.
A friend was buying used SCSI HDs for a while, mostly Quantum in recent times. Not a single one lasted more than 6 months. These drives are mostly from shortly before Quantum got out of the HD business.
Micropolis, which had once been so reliable, had the same phenomenon: after they went out of business, a lot of people picked up brand new Micropolis SCSI HDs at low prices... and everyone I know who did so had a *100%* fail rate within a year of use.
You can see the obvious parallel. I think what probably happened is that these mfgrs used up all their "questionable parts" inventory on their way out of the HD business, since they *knew* they wouldn't have to warranty 'em.
I agree with you about Maxtor's lack of durability, and another problem is that when they fail, they just quit from one minute to the next, without a hint of warning. Quantum often do the same thing.
I use all W.D. myself, and have worked a couple to death and had a few go bad under warranty (tho only when I happened to get one from a bad run, and every mfgr has the occasional bad run!), but in every case they've made it VERY obvious when they were sick, generally by making all sorts of horrible noises. Hence I've never had any data loss from a W.D. -- Right now my four W.D. that run 24/7 have a total of 18 years of service between 'em.
There is also kagi.com, who've been around since 1994, and I've never heard a single complaint. The lack of complaints may be because they are big on making everything be legal *and* documented.
Fee structure is probably not suitable for micropayments, but they get used a lot for low-priced items like CDs. Anyway, just to point out another alternative (that I've actually used for buying stuff online).
[I'd never heard of moneybookers, but hey, the more you know about, the more options you have!]
I think the first reply is correct, wrt email vs spam. Micropayments do nothing useful and may even be harmful.
However, I can see other uses. Say you e-publish a book. You could charge a penny per page viewed. So if someone reads all 500 pages of your new novel, they pay $5.00 total. If they decide it sucks and leave after 3 pages, they pay 3 cents. If it's a reference work and they need to see only 30 pages worth, they pay 30 cents (the index and TOC should be exempt, and smart authors will also exempt payment on sufficient teaser material to encourage further reading).
This system creates automatic flexibility (don't need to pay for more of a reference book than you actually used) AND "get what you pay for" (if you don't like the book, you simply stop reading AND stop paying).
Yeah, there would be a certain amount of "cheating" but for the most part it would work, especially with reference books where people need the info this instant, not whenever they chance to warez it.
And has been oft-discussed, 10 cents each is a price almost anyone would pay for MP3s, and at that price it's not worth the bother to hunt 'em down via filesharing.
Estimates for projects like that are always woefully inadequate. Remember the new Los Angeles subway system??
And "especially if state and city governments pay for part of it." Um.. where do you think they get this money? A: from taxes.
I'd hate to see what happens to property taxes in Louisiana over the next couple decades, as this will probably wind up paid for via bonds at "C" interest rates.
Yeah, I had the thought that between galloping energy prices, Iraq (my feeling on that is either win the damned war once and for all, then get out, or just cut our losses and get out), and now NOLA, we're about to become seriously over-extended.
Good points. And I think you're right, that this isn't about consumers, but rather about putting the refillers out of business.
And that part is a dangerous ruling, that hopefully will be overturned (anyone know if it's being appealed, or if it's dead-ended at the 9th Circuit Court?)
Side thought: what if these carts are refilled (for further use before the consumer is "done with them" and returns them per the contract) with ink that is marketed specifically as "NOT for Lexmark printers"?? (Which wouldn't be the first time that a product has been labeled with a contraindication to avoid lawsuits, even tho it works perfectly for that application.) IOW, can Lexmark use this to shut down sellers of refill ink labeled for other brands of printer?
LOL! Oh yeah, that was him all right. Lo these many decades later, all I remember was that he'd continually hammer on the "wars and rumours of wars" verse, and every time I hear that phrase, I think of ol' Garner Ted.
The things we remember from our childhood... it's downright horrifying.:)
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So who is going to subsidize the infrastructure costs for these satellite and microwave installations for the boondocks? and why hasn't it already happened?
;)
BTW, check out the price of a new combine someday. Last I looked (back around 1980) they ran around a quarter of a million dollars. Seems to me that since a farmer's net on a loaf of bread is only about 5 cents, that combine oughta cost a good deal less than the car you use to commute to your $30/hour job.
No, but a friend's husband and his dad run a maintenance business at an airport. And I'm aware of stuff like ADs and the insane cost per minute for jet aircraft.
/. don't know, and I'll wager neither do the shareholders; all they see is that it's an item in the expense column.
Another thing, tho, and probably more to the point than upfront costs, is what it does for corporate image when you're trying to land a multimillion dollar enterprise contract. At that level, a private jet's upkeep costs might become a trivial marketing expense.
My real point is that these shareholders are not looking beyond this week's almighty bottom line. Maybe the jets are a stupid and needless expense best dispensed with; or maybe they're marketing's #1 tool for swinging the most lucrative deals. We here at
When I was at the latest Novell seminar, they brought up the point that they already have over 90% of the non-x86 server market. They acquired SuSE with the intent of expanding their share in the x86 market (which as you say, they've lost most of what once they had to Windows).
:/
They also mentioned that they have a billion in cash on hand, and no debt. So Novell isn't hurting, tho it sounds like certain shareholders want to change that.
So pretty soon you're paying $300 for a loaf of bread. Guess you'll have to give up either eating or internet access.
And looking at the prices some companies are paying to acquire other companies, many of which then go entirely to waste (even if they weren't bought for the express purpose of killing them), it occurs to me that over the long term, it is probably more cost-effective to have your own in-house R&D.
But that benefits neither today's shareholders nor tomorrow's speculators. -- What happened to benefiting your customers for today, tomorrow, and the future, so as to have a steady and predictable income??
As I mention in another post, I think it would behoove companies to look seriously at going back to being privately held, to avoid being at the mercy of shortsighted investors. Yeah, so they won't have the piles of investors' cash to play with, but lacking that slushpile, maybe then they'd be more interested in attracting loyal *customers*.
Great! All the farmers move to town, cuz otherwise they can't get basic phone service.
NOW what are you going to eat? bread imported from China?? China is going to LOVE that.
PS. I've personally lived (long-term) where phone service of ANY sort was just flat not available. If you haven't, maybe you shouldn't have the right to decide what it's okay for someone else to do without, because you don't know what you're talking about until you've DONE without.
The investors obviously looked at the "success" of HP's gutting their R&D Dept. and decided that Novell should emulate HP.
Methinks it's time for more companies to consider going back to being privately held (as Corel did), so as not to be at the mercy of investors who can't see beyond today's bottom line.
Actually, some companies DO make money on their corporate jets, by renting them to other companies for executive flights.
I don't know if Novell's jets are fully paid-for (however, Novell says it has "zero debt" so they may be) but if so, their upkeep may cost considerably less than a half-dozen executive tickets every month, at a couple grand apiece. You don't hire your own mechanic for that, you know -- you use the company (or one of several at a big airport) that does maintenance for private craft at your home airport.
You forgot to mention that the telcos are allowed to charge customers not only the mandated fee itself, but as much OVER the mandated fee as the market will bear -- and the telcos get to pocket the difference.
That's all well and good until you realise that the $300 you're talking about can be a whole week of average wages in rural Kansas. Can YOU afford to pay 25% of your monthly income just to get basic telephone and internet access??
And remember, cellular service in rural areas is typically spotty to absent.
I think all that would happen is that telephone solicitors would no longer operate out of local boilerrooms, but rather would outsource to independent contractors, preferably in 3rd world countries (actually, I've read that this has already happened). How are you going to get a misdemeanor conviction of someone wardialing from an outsourcing center in Singapore? especially if convenient layers of corporate misdirection lie between them and the real culprit, who might well be in Belize.
As to being "adjacent to public property", your example is more like leaving the sidewalk (reasonably assumed to be public) to tramp across the front lawn (reasonably assumed to be private property). Just because it's "adjacent" and lacks a "trespassers will be shot" sign doesn't mean you can't figure out where the boundary lies.
Sure. Then every time someone wants to get someone else in trouble, they just claim the other person didn't have permission to call their unlisted number, and file charges against 'em. Wrong numbers happen, should they be penalized too? There are a lot of problems with penalizing based on the *type* of phone listing.
It's exactly like saying "It's okay to trespass on my property if my house number is plain for all to see, but if my house number is hidden, then trespassing on my property will be penalized."
If anything has to be penalized, it ought to be the other way around.
[answering this whole thread in this post]
:)
I agree. Free speech doesn't mean you get to grab me by the hand and shout into my ear, but that's literally what phone marketers do when they ignore requests to remove your number from their calling lists. If I want to wear earplugs (stop you from calling me), you shouldn't have the right to yank out my earplugs and yell into my ear anyway. And I shouldn't have to superglue my earplugs in place to prevent such behaviour.
By my political definitions, the libertarian/free-market ideal would pay attention to property boundaries, including those I set for myself on "push" communication. Conversely, forced reception of telemarketing as an application of "free speech" reeks of uber-socialist "we know what's best for you".
It's a lot like spam. I don't mind the very occasional announcement (commercial, charity beg, whatever) about whatever they're hawking. What makes us hate it is the repeated annoyance of having to deal with the same announcement over and over and over, day in and day out. How is repetitive telemarketing any different??
I do like the notion someone below put forth, of caller ID having a "charity bit" or "commercial bit" which you could choose to block. This could even be reversed into a "whitelist bit", for the [flamebait] paranoids who are afraid of getting ANY calls from strangers. [/flamebait] (I actually know some people like that.)
[Myself, I don't get ANY junk calls, because about 15 years ago I got pissed at the morons who call for the Daily News, and told them to DNC me. Turns out they use a master phone number list, and as a result I fell off ALL the telemarketing lists. I miss 'em about like I miss boils on my ass.]
Another old trick was to let the modem answer the phone...
Having an unlisted phone number (free or otherwise) doesn't make any difference, since telemarketers generally use wardialers, not phonebooks.
Which reminds me, another of my Odd Tools for PC Tinkers is one of the punch-outs from a cheap case's card slot. The curl on the raw edge is just right for serious scraping on VGA pins that have become corroded. Thus I've restored full colour to several monitors that had decided the world was only pink or green. (Wire brush sounds more civilized, but doesn't scrape 'em well enough.)
One of my indispensible tools: the smallest-size needle-nosed ViseGrips. Great for removing round screws with stripped heads. Occasionally useful as a clamp or prying tool. (You know the motherboard is warped when you have to use visegrips to remove a Slot-1 CPU :)
Other oddities I've found useful, that are in my portable kit:
Dentist's mirror (good for checking jumpers without having to remove a cramped drive)
Magnifying lens that I can stick down into small spots (mine is just a lens salvaged from a big projector)
Twisty-ties (easier to redo than cable ties)
Very small plastic cocktail straw, or WD40 straw (for poking stuff out of small places)
Pipe cleaners (for getting gunk out of glued-together heatsink/fan arrangements)
Toothbrush (for removing stuck-on gunk)
Cap from a BIC Stic pen (the skinny part is good for stopping PSU fan when I need to check its spin-up, or to momentarily cut its noise to hear something else)
Rest of the BIC Stic pen (the point is just the right size for shorting between the power-on or reset pins, without having to fumble with the wiring harness, or poke 'em with a screwdriver that might touch Something Unexpected)
I do question magnetizing screwdrivers, tho. Do you really WANT a magnet poking around next to magnetically-sensitive equipment?
When I need to put a screw in some tiny place, I use one of those 3-prong screw extractor/pickup tools (three little bent wires that can be extended from a small plastic tube). It's not only good for picking screws up, it's good for starting them in spots too small for anything but a narrow tool. (Also for removing them the last couple turns, so they don't fall down inside the PC.)
Another indispensible "tool": a wooden plank, about 12x24 inches. Good for working on loose motherboards, as the small height is enough to let you put cards in the mobo without having to face it any particular direction. (Tho here I usually just drape it across an open case that's serving as the temporary power supply.) In my portable kit, I have a piece of heavy dull-surfaced cardboard that does the same job.
One thing I always warn my customers about, is that EVERY time you open up a PC, you run a small but definite risk that it will "just die" for no visible reason.
I suspect these "just die" incidents are a result of microfractures in the motherboard traces, due to accumulated heating/cooling stress; the small shocks from moving and opening the case are the last straw for a cracked trace, and it finally breaks for real. You don't even have to touch anything inside for this to happen. Likely it's more of a problem with cheap cases that have too much flex in 'em.
In my experience, static isn't much of an issue with most components. I don't use a static strap (one tech I know who deals with a lot of $erver$ says they don't work anyway), but I do spray the carpet with Downy, which keeps the static buildup at zero.
The real joke was... most techies have seen that often enough to realise it wasn't a joke! :D
Most Joe Sixpacks don't grok the diff between a separate HD and a second partition on the same HD. So where do they back up their data...?? Right! Oooops.
A friend was buying used SCSI HDs for a while, mostly Quantum in recent times. Not a single one lasted more than 6 months. These drives are mostly from shortly before Quantum got out of the HD business.
Micropolis, which had once been so reliable, had the same phenomenon: after they went out of business, a lot of people picked up brand new Micropolis SCSI HDs at low prices... and everyone I know who did so had a *100%* fail rate within a year of use.
You can see the obvious parallel. I think what probably happened is that these mfgrs used up all their "questionable parts" inventory on their way out of the HD business, since they *knew* they wouldn't have to warranty 'em.
I agree with you about Maxtor's lack of durability, and another problem is that when they fail, they just quit from one minute to the next, without a hint of warning. Quantum often do the same thing.
I use all W.D. myself, and have worked a couple to death and had a few go bad under warranty (tho only when I happened to get one from a bad run, and every mfgr has the occasional bad run!), but in every case they've made it VERY obvious when they were sick, generally by making all sorts of horrible noises. Hence I've never had any data loss from a W.D. -- Right now my four W.D. that run 24/7 have a total of 18 years of service between 'em.
There is also kagi.com, who've been around since 1994, and I've never heard a single complaint. The lack of complaints may be because they are big on making everything be legal *and* documented.
Fee structure is probably not suitable for micropayments, but they get used a lot for low-priced items like CDs. Anyway, just to point out another alternative (that I've actually used for buying stuff online).
[I'd never heard of moneybookers, but hey, the more you know about, the more options you have!]
I think the first reply is correct, wrt email vs spam. Micropayments do nothing useful and may even be harmful.
However, I can see other uses. Say you e-publish a book. You could charge a penny per page viewed. So if someone reads all 500 pages of your new novel, they pay $5.00 total. If they decide it sucks and leave after 3 pages, they pay 3 cents. If it's a reference work and they need to see only 30 pages worth, they pay 30 cents (the index and TOC should be exempt, and smart authors will also exempt payment on sufficient teaser material to encourage further reading).
This system creates automatic flexibility (don't need to pay for more of a reference book than you actually used) AND "get what you pay for" (if you don't like the book, you simply stop reading AND stop paying).
Yeah, there would be a certain amount of "cheating" but for the most part it would work, especially with reference books where people need the info this instant, not whenever they chance to warez it.
And has been oft-discussed, 10 cents each is a price almost anyone would pay for MP3s, and at that price it's not worth the bother to hunt 'em down via filesharing.
Estimates for projects like that are always woefully inadequate. Remember the new Los Angeles subway system??
And "especially if state and city governments pay for part of it." Um.. where do you think they get this money? A: from taxes.
I'd hate to see what happens to property taxes in Louisiana over the next couple decades, as this will probably wind up paid for via bonds at "C" interest rates.
Yeah, I had the thought that between galloping energy prices, Iraq (my feeling on that is either win the damned war once and for all, then get out, or just cut our losses and get out), and now NOLA, we're about to become seriously over-extended.
Good points. And I think you're right, that this isn't about consumers, but rather about putting the refillers out of business.
And that part is a dangerous ruling, that hopefully will be overturned (anyone know if it's being appealed, or if it's dead-ended at the 9th Circuit Court?)
Side thought: what if these carts are refilled (for further use before the consumer is "done with them" and returns them per the contract) with ink that is marketed specifically as "NOT for Lexmark printers"?? (Which wouldn't be the first time that a product has been labeled with a contraindication to avoid lawsuits, even tho it works perfectly for that application.) IOW, can Lexmark use this to shut down sellers of refill ink labeled for other brands of printer?
LOL! Oh yeah, that was him all right. Lo these many decades later, all I remember was that he'd continually hammer on the "wars and rumours of wars" verse, and every time I hear that phrase, I think of ol' Garner Ted.
:)
The things we remember from our childhood... it's downright horrifying.