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What's On Your Tech Bench?

Twev1701 writes "As a small computer repair company that has seen enormous growth in the past few months, we are now looking to expand our facilities. With construction starting on our office space, we now turn to the task of designing a new tech bench. Our existing bench is 6'x3', has a dedicated 15" CRT, 4 port KVM, and overhead storage bins for parts. With a new bench of 12'x4', we have lots of room for expansion. What essentials would the /. community put on their new tech bench?"

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  1. i'd put.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    a screwdriver

    1. Re:i'd put.. by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, in my experience, the single most useful tool for computer diagnostic/repair (next to a philips screwdriver, of course =]) is Linux. Whenever a friend needs to reformat or gets some virus that keeps their machine from booting, or some such, I just plug their hard drive into my Linux box here and do whatever needs to be done. Recently, my Chief (I'm a Navy recruit) needed some files recovered from a system who's admin password was lost and/or corrupted. I just hooked his hard drive into my system, recovered encrypted NTFS files with ease and burnt'em onto a CD. Yes, a 15" CRT is nice, but if all you're hooked up to is a BSoD, it's not terribly helpful =] Also, both the laptop offerings are called "m5000 Series." Typo?

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    2. Re:i'd put.. by shancock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes,
      and bootable Linux CD's like Knoppix http://www.knoppix.com/ and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ are also good tools. The CD's can be loaded toward Windows, or Linux/BSD tools depending on the system in for repair.Essential for out of the office repairs and analysis but also useful at the bench.

    3. Re:i'd put.. by slonkak · · Score: 2, Informative

      One tool I find extremely useful is the Linux Password Disk. It will boot a linux kernel and rewrite the Windows registry files to change the local Administrator password if it's forgotten.

      The bootable CD image is here:
      http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/cd050303.z ip

    4. Re:i'd put.. by maotx · · Score: 1

      How did you recover encrypted NTFS files?

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    5. Re:i'd put.. by ghukov · · Score: 0

      another useful one... a small tftp/PXE boot server with memtest86 and your favorite linux distros ready to roll out via NFS install. you know, for those nothin-but-net installs and diagnostics. A ghost image server isnt a half bad idea either, if you use ghost.

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    6. Re:i'd put.. by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      Actually I keep Knoppix 3.9 and 3.7 around for password recovery, wiping out windows restore points (and other places Win32 viruses and nuciances like to hide), and on ocassion I run F-Prot AV from the knoppix disk. Also the USB support allows me to easily use USB disks to get data on the drive that i'll need later (updated virs defs, anti-spyware progs, firefox :). The reason I keep the older Knoppix 3.7 around is twofold, first it uses the 2.4 kernel (so if I can't get a system to boot with Knoppix 3.9 I fall back on 3.7) Also it's alot easier to enable NTFS read/write support in knoppix 3.7 - which I use again to manually pluck out infected files and archives. Lastly, though I'm trying to find a FOSS replacement for everything I use on it, the UBCD is increadibly helpful, has quite a few utilities I'm trying to find equivalents under Linux (i'm sure they're there, just haven't had the time to learn them all). In my experience the ubuntu disk is a little too slow booting up to use it as a recovery disk... Knoppix seems so much faster and feature loaded.

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    7. Re:i'd put.. by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      I'd like to apologize for the above post, It's too early in the morning and I neglected a few line breaks :/

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    8. Re:i'd put.. by biryokumaru · · Score: 1
      It's called ntfsdecrypt, yo =]. Course, I hadta run it under my win2k system =/. Kind of a pain, but pretty spiffy nonetheless.

      An alternate method would have been simply to recover the password for the account used to secure the files. But I didn't wanna hafta wait for Sarca to get back to me =/. Faster than a brute crack, though. Hahaha =]

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    9. Re:i'd put.. by linuxpyro · · Score: 1

      I agree, having a Linux box would be a good idea.

      I would add that, if you are working with Windows machines that you suspect (or know) are infected, you might want to go so far as to set up a dedicated network for the tech bench with its own subnet. Grab a Linksys router (or another Linux box or whatever) to keep any crap from getting onto your main network. (If you decide to build your own router, it would probably not be a bad idea to make it a different box than the Linux box the parent mentioned ;).)

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    10. Re:i'd put.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I carry a selection of bootable CDs, both Linux and the Khauyeung/BartPE/WinPE variety. Each has useful tools and can be customised as required.

    11. Re:i'd put.. by mdecarle · · Score: 1

      We sympathize with you.

      Forgot to change "HTML Formatted" to "Plain Old Text" eh?

  2. This. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Multimeter, a logic analyser and a scope too.. :)

    btw, first post.

    1. Re:This. by frinkacheese · · Score: 1

      A login analyser? What do you think they are fixing here? If it dont work, they will bin it and get a new one.

    2. Re:This. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And a Knoppix CD!!!

      Damn. Just ONE second, maybe a few *milliseconds* too late :)

      wtf, this is slashdot. No use trying to be insightful when you're trying to be a firstposter.

      Yeah, confirming i'm not a script takes time too. Damn!!

      And hey, what's a login analyser?

      And who cares about AC's (air conditioners???) nowadays?
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    3. Re:This. by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Logic Analyser: This is a device that looks a bit like an overly fat ballpoint pen with a wire attached. The idea is that you attache the wire to the ground of a circuit and with the tip of the pen you touch a part of the circuit and the leds (and with some: a buzzer) indicates if it is logicaly "high", "low" or oscillating. These can be switched between CMOS and TTL logic levels. Pretty handy to test low speed digital circuits, but pretty much useless for anything else.

    4. Re:This. by LanceMan · · Score: 1

      I saw an HP logic analyzer with 128 pens back in the 90's. Makes hacking a DirectTV system to give you all channels all the time. Since you dont touch the little credit card which is owned by your provider, its totally legal.

    5. Re:This. by LanceMan · · Score: 1

      Er...

      Makes hacking a DirectTV system to give you all channels all the time EASY.

    6. Re:This. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's a logic probe, what you just did was to say that a supercomputer is basically a pocket calculator.
      A logic analyser will have a lot more than one channel, a lot more than 2 logic families, and a lot more than a few MHz of speed....

    7. Re:This. by mollymoo · · Score: 1
      That's a $9.99 Radio Shack Logic Probe. A Logic Analyser is typically somewhat more elaborate, with as many input channels as you like and as fast as you are rich. Hundreds of channels and gigaherts timing speeds are possible if you're really rich.

      Not only do logic analysers capture digital signals, they help analyse them too. They understand different kinds of signals and can present the information to you in a nice way. Imagine a version of ethereal for electrical signals and you'll get the general idea.

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    8. Re:This. by legirons · · Score: 1

      A Logic Analyser: This is a device that looks a bit like an overly fat ballpoint pen with a wire attached.

      A logic analyser looks like a small minicomputer, with sets of connectors coming out of it that either monitor 80 wires at a time, or get plugged directly into a bus. You attach a keyboard, monitor, and mouse to it, and then ask it things like "when bus x becomes 0x2500 and wire y goes high for between 2 and 3 milliseconds, then count how long it is until bus z becomes 0x0001"

      Though I daresay the bicolour LED with a probe attached is useful for many simpler circuits...

    9. Re:This. by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      Few companies do component level repair anymore. If all they do is board swap, you won't need a logic probe or soldering iron.

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  3. The essentials! by Blapto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apart from computers and cases of varying kinds, you need to remember your mini fridge! Don't forget the mini fridge!

    1. Re:The essentials! by Mr.+Moose · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and a coffee machine. Where would you be without good old Mr. Coffee?

    2. Re:The essentials! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pressurized air. Comes in handy for getting rid of those dust bunnies/dinosaurs.

    3. Re:The essentials! by rust42 · · Score: 1

      put the mini fridge under the desk (for milk). You definately need an espresso machine or cafe bar

    4. Re:The essentials! by databyss · · Score: 1

      Add a microwave to that and BAM! you'd never need to get up again!

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    5. Re:The essentials! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
      3 "tech benches".

      1. Junk that I haven't gotten around to putting in its place. Plus, Coffee machine, Franks "Red Hot" sauce, 2 cans of coffee (1 with coffee, 1 with dog food), clipboard for notes, spare parts for whatever is being worked on lately.
      2. Junk that I haven't gotten around to putting in its place. A couple of servers, spare parts, and (look UNDERNEATH - AGGG!) all sorts of shit. Parts, parts, parts. Boxes. WTF - Muriatic Acid!!! Oh, right - only safe place for it. About 50 cards (video, audio, capture, etc).
      3. Junk that I haven't gotten around to putting in its place. 21" monitor and spare box for "doing stuff". Photocopier.
      4. Desk - Junk that I haven't gotten around to putting in its place, crt and box, etc.
      But I can FIND stuff! Just last week I found some software I wrote last year that we were looking for last month (better late than never).
    6. Re:The essentials! by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      For those who don't "get it" - if your space is all that neat and orderly, you've got WAY too much time on your hands.

      Remember, a clean desk is a sign of a sick mind.

      Desk too cluttered to move your mouse enough? Plug in a second mouse. Move the first one in the little space between the keyboard and papers and junk, then, when it runs into a physical obstruction, move the other one with your other hand. A LOT faster than cleaning up your desk.

    7. Re:The essentials! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      After years of doing computer troubleshooting alongside my system administration role, I swore that I would never do full-time tech support again without these two essentials:

      First, hardware diagnostics for narrowing down motherboard/processor failures.

      Second, a power supply tester.

      For all the time I spent and knowledge I gained, I found that billing hourly to track down these "hard to find" bugs where the P/S or mobo were flaky but not dead really caused technician and customer headache. I won't do it again without these two tools.

    8. Re:The essentials! by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      You Can't forget the most important thing a Lock that you have the only key to. The last thing you want is people barging in with their annoying problems all the time, disturbing your fragging.

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    9. Re:The essentials! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      Plug in a second mouse.

      Ah, yes, because surely if you don't have enough room to move your first mouse around, you'll have plenty for a second mouse?

      How about "not enough space to move your mouse around? try throwing some of those empty Big Mac containers and Mountain Dew: Code Red bottles in the trash?" or, "not enough space to move your mouse around? Go buy a friggin' track ball you messy slob!"

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    10. Re:The essentials! by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 1

      Skip that and upgrade to a beer fridge (keg models are nice).

      Nothing says quality soldering like a pint (or more) of brew.

    11. Re:The essentials! by Tongo · · Score: 1

      Our tech bench has just invested in both of those tools very recently. It has saved a lot of billing time for the customers and made our techs much more productive. Those two tools have probably been the best investment our tech department has made in years.

    12. Re:The essentials! by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Nice troll (if it was meant to be one) - in which case I'll bite.

      1. I haven't eaten a big mac in over a decade. I started boycotting McDonalds when they came out with pizza. And my BMI is normal, thank you very much.

      2. Mountain Dew and Code Red: sorry, I'm from Canuckistan (Canada to you'all :-) Our Mountain Dew is prohibited by law from containing caffeine (only allowed in colas). Cod Red? Never tried it, never will, thanks.

      3. Stuff gets piled up on the desk because of having to do more than one thing at a time. Has nothing to do with being a "messy slob." Human multitasking is much messier than a computer.

      4. Have you even TRIED to use 2 mice. Its damn convenient if you're ambidextrous.

      5. Trackballs suck.

      If you weren't trolling, thanks for giving me a chance to clear up some misconceptions. If you were, well ...

    13. Re:The essentials! by ces · · Score: 3, Funny

      Code Red is red Mountain Dew with a somewhat different flavor.

      2. Mountain Dew and Code Red: sorry, I'm from Canuckistan (Canada to you'all :-) Our Mountain Dew is prohibited by law from containing caffeine (only allowed in colas). Cod Red? Never tried it, never will, thanks.

      No caffeine in Mountain Dew?! What kind of totalitarian hellhole has Canada turned into?

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    14. Re:The essentials! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lotion, tissues, and wet-naps for those marathon pr0n sessions! :-)

    15. Re:The essentials! by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      Correct on your first four points. But on number 5 you misspelled 'are the best things ever.' as 'suck'. Not sure how you did that.

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    16. Re:The essentials! by dysan27 · · Score: 1

      Mountain Dew 'Energy' is now up here, since they bill it as an enery drink they are allowed to put caffeine in it. It's the same stuff that they have the the states. Excecpt ours has a "recomended dosage" on it. As for Code Red, It's basicly Red Mountain Dew. Actualy I liked it better then Norman, there are just no places nearby that stock it

    17. Re:The essentials! by COMON$ · · Score: 1

      No kiddin, I have a wired mouse and a bluetooth, thinking about adding a 3rd and second keyboard. My desk is cluttered as hell, just open the other spot on the desk, not to mention that this way when I am working on something and a developer or another admin comes over to show me something they can grab the free mouse rather than having me move. And I will second you, not a big fan of trackballs.

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    18. Re:The essentials! by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 1

      They recently starting selling Mountain Dew + Caffeine as "Mountain Dew Energy" here in Canada. It is pretty stupid that they have to do that.

    19. Re:The essentials! by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 1

      No caffeine in Mountain Dew in Australia either...

      Boy did, did did i i i get a surprise when i drank my favourite drink in the US... More caffine than Coke!...

    20. Re:The essentials! by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 1

      Add a microwave to that and BAM! you'd never need to get up again!

      Thats what the steam from the milk frother is for... and just remember to take the grounds out of the espresso maker when you collect hot water for the ramen...

    21. Re:The essentials! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Add a microwave to that and BAM! you'd never need to get up again!

      Your work area must smell like shit. Literally. Oh, and piss, too.

    22. Re:The essentials! by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was just in Toronto a few weeks back, and they have caffeine now- look for something called Mountain Dew Energy (dunno if you guys have Mountain Dew Amp, that's the Red Bull-like stuff. Not that.) It'll contain all sorts of fun drug information about the caffeine and say it's for active people.

      It's the same stuff the other 50 states have been enjoying for years.

    23. Re:The essentials! by Cplus · · Score: 1

      This was recently corrected with the Mountain Dew Diet Energy Drink...caffeinated and delicious, for Canadians. This has been the only bad thing about living in Canada for all of these years, and was just fixed.

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    24. Re:The essentials! by shadow0_0 · · Score: 1

      In Australia, Mountain Dew has no caffeine as well :(

  4. Well, first of all... by silasthehobbit · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'd get a much bigger bench.

  5. obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    a flux capacitor

    1. Re:obviously... by Knossos · · Score: 0

      1.21 GIGAWATTS!??!!

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    2. Re:obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one-point-twenny-one jiggywatts, dickwad.

  6. well.. by Tracer_Bullet82 · · Score: 1

    an expresso machine would be highest on my option list. Seriously though, what the /. commune would want would be quite different from what your clients would want.

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    1. Re:well.. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 1

      Gagh.

      Sorry to be pedantic, but it's *espresso*, not expresso. Does your coffee move quickly? No? It's an espresso!

    2. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your coffee move quickly? No? It's an espresso

      You're right, spelling wise, but chose a bad way to make your point - espresso is Italian for "very quickly" :-)

    3. Re:well.. by tintub · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're right, spelling wise, but chose a bad way to make your point - espresso is Italian for "very quickly" :-)

      A common misconception, but actually espresso is the past participle of esprimere, meaning to express or to press out, and relates to the process of making an espresso coffee.

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    4. Re:well.. by ScroogeMcDuck · · Score: 1

      My 1 cent contribution:

      Espresso is both the italian for "very quickly" and the past participle of "to express" (but it also is a type of train and a special delivery letter).

      I prefer to attribute the origin of the name espresso to the "quick" way it is prepared in opposition to the usual italian way of preparing the coffee (at home) by using a special coffe maker tool called "moka" that produces coffe lighter than the espresso.

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    5. Re:well.. by tintub · · Score: 5, Informative

      I prefer to attribute the origin of the name espresso to the "quick" way it is prepared in opposition to the usual italian way of preparing the coffee (at home) by using a special coffe maker tool called "moka" that produces coffe lighter than the espresso.

      Gah! No, no, no! A moka (such as the classic octagonal aluminium pot that you are talking about) is an espresso machine. It's a cheap stovetop version designed to emulate the cafe espresso machines. The point of espresso and the reason an espresso is called an espresso is that the water (or steam) is forced through the coffee grains at high pressure, which is exactly what a stovetop espresso machine does. The heating of the water in the lower half of the moka builds up the pressure, until the steam is forced through the coffee, up through a tube and into the top half. You are right that it doesn't match a cafe espresso, you don't really get a crema with a moka. Another disadvantage is that because the water is boiling when it passes through the coffee, the coffee gets a bitter burnt taste when compared with a cafe machine, which runs at about 90 degrees C. All the same, it's still an espresso.

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    6. Re:well.. by fshalor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1. Ability to make coffee: insinkerator hot water tap (replaced our bunson burner and fleaker.) We still use a glass funnel with coffee filters. Fresh grind and then pour 190 deg F water over them in a careful method. Perfect concentrated brew.
      2. Multimeter. *vital*.... never leave home without it.
      3. Complete screwdriver/torx set.
      4. Spare towles for laptop disembowlment operations.
      5. Stack of "fresh" drives. Never trust an old drive!
      6. Rubermaid container full of untouched, pristine, NIB IDE cables. Another must have. I tend to swap out IDE cables when ever I get a box just in case. It's saved me a lot of problems.
      7. Trusted powerspuplies.
      8. iPod hooked to sony stereo system.
      9. KVM.
      10. 19" LCD Samsung 930b + Sony trinitron E400.
      11. Laptop cooling pad.
      12. 7pt USB hub.
      13. 8 pt netgear switch (home bench) and 24 pt gigabit switch (foundary) at work.
      14. Safety gooooogles and electrical tape. (I guess for sledge-o-matic operations safety.) Must have my PPE's.
      15. Swingline stapeler. (Not red.) Vintage.
      16. TI-89.
      17. Perrys Handbook for Chemical Engineers. (DOn't ask why I have it near my comp workbench.... you don't want to know.)

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    7. Re:well.. by tb()ne · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I wish I had mod points for you. The only part that I might mildly disagree with is

      The heating of the water in the lower half of the moka builds up the pressure, until the steam is forced through the coffee,"...

      The first thing that gets pushed up through the tube is the water (little to no steam). It is only after almost all the water is gone that the steam is forced through and that can be minimized by removing the pot from the stove early enough. But the water is very close to boiling temperature which, as you mention, is hotter than cafe machines.

    8. Re:well.. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Ask any musician worth their salt and they'll say allegro and presto are Italian for quickly and very quickly.

      I'd say we drink espresso so that we can move presto, but I've always thought coffee and related drinks taste like shit, so it's not true for me.....

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    9. Re:well.. by tintub · · Score: 1

      I've learnt from experience to take the pot off the stove early enough to avoid damaging the seals, but I didn't realise that it was actually water rather than steam that's going through the coffee. That's made me like my stovetop machines a little bit more. They have been gathering dust recently as I prefer to use the plunger.

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    10. Re:well.. by lupinstel · · Score: 0

      It moves through me quickly.

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    11. Re:well.. by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      Perrys Handbook for Chemical Engineers

      Scary. I took his class at the University of Texas and he would give you a buck for each typo you found. You still looking to make a buck? (just kidding)

    12. Re:well.. by ScroogeMcDuck · · Score: 1

      Believe me or not, moka is not an emulation of espresso caffè machine nor it was derived from the espresso machine (that came later than the moka coffee machines). It is only a different way of doing it, as it is using the "stovetop" called "caffettiera napoletana" from its town of origin Napoli (Naples).
      I also ask you to note also that the milling of coffee for the moka machines and for espresso machines is really different (the latter is more sharp).

      But this is only the opinion of an everyday consumer of both moka and espresso. ;-)

      Ciao.

      p.s. look at http://www.caffe.it/caffe.cfm?id=7 (in italian) to find two guides for making a good moka coffee and a good espresso.

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    13. Re:well.. by fshalor · · Score: 1

      I've got the seventh edition. It's not quite as bad as the 5th. But, I could make $100 in a few mintues... Do you have his email? I've a tex document with problems and fixes. ;)

      I'm working in IT, and not using my ChE degree yet, so yeah; I'm looking to make about an extra $20K.

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    14. Re:well.. by stunted · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You've obviously got to have, screwdrivers, soldering iron, multimeter X 2, CD/DVD storage solution for install media, KVM, a bunch of angle-poise lights, ditch the CRT and get a couple of LCDs on the wall, (I still have a big CRT for photo editing but other than that I use LCDs) and a USB backup solution, I have an adaptec USB2 -> SCSI adapter and a DDS4 tape drive (except I can't find a SCSI 50 pin High Density (HD50) Female to Wide SCSI-3 High Density 68 (HD68) Male converter here so at the moment I have to drop in a PCI SCSI adapter) and it works a treat Bla Bla Bla...

      I'd add to the standard kit, an LED torch or 2 (flashlight if you must) that takes AA batteries and is operated by a button on the back, taped to one or both (more comfortable) of the ear arms of some safety goggles or glasses frames, these have the advantage of giving good spot lighting in those hard to reach bits without you having to stick said torch in you mouth causing you to dribble allover the place, they also make you look *SO* geeky people are afraid to ask you questions.

      For my mouse mat I have an A3 pad of black on white ruled paper (spine towards me) that gives very accurate response with my current cordless light mouse and the cordless ball mouse before it (also my mouse rollers never got dirty), you're never short of something to write on and when the page gets dirty just write the date on it, tear it off and file it as it will be covered in useful phone numbers and back of a fag packed calculations.

      I also have a naked test rig in the detachable motherboard bay of an old case, the cards get all the lateral support they need and you don't have to have the MB on the edge of the table.

      I'd like to have a sillyscope, a frequency generator and some other bits of cool but my desk is too small and my pockets are too shallow.

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    15. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A spare network card... for shitty old boxes

  7. The essentials of desktop repair by Mishra100 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Definitely make sure you have enough ground straps and a place to ground them to......

    Because we ALL know 99% of techies out there ALWAYS use ground straps. A+ basics right there.

    1. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Slashcrap · · Score: 4, Funny

      Definitely make sure you have enough ground straps and a place to ground them to......

      And make sure you remove those damn safety resistors. They are for pussies who lack faith in their own abilities. It also helps to add back that element of excitement that is so often missing in today's workshops.

    2. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by timmarhy · · Score: 0

      hah fuck off. in more then 10 years of tech work i have NEVER blown, or seen someone blow a PC part due to static. ground straps are just a load of bullshit, because in practise we are constantly grounding our selfs. ground straps are the kind of shit they teach in A+ courses so they get to look offical and all knowing.

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    3. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe so. But if the customer decides to sue because their computer was unrepairable for the price they wanted to pay, and you told them that, they may use the fact that they don't have a static strap as a reason why the computer is now unrepairable. When dealing with the public you will get people who will complain and sue for almost anything especially when they feel they got ripped off, or they want to rip you off. It is better to have a static strap and use it to show to the customer and perhaps the court that you take good care of the others property.

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    4. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by crashelite · · Score: 3, Funny

      oooo ooo throw in a Van de Graaff generator and then we have a nice little show... that is the only time i have seen static charge blow something (one of my teachers stood on a stool and was demenstrating and neglected to notice the electrical outlet right next to his lower exstremity... i was going to say something but he said for me to not question him.)

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    5. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 1

      I was doing a hardware inventory for an internship at a company (first business related work I ever did, I think I was like 14 or 15 years old) and on the second day I already wasted a users videocard by just touching it. Don't know if it was because of static but I even touched radiator pipe before crawling under the desk to open the computer and do the inventory.
      They didn't have spare parts either... oops.

      Anyway, I'm happy to hear you never had any problems with static electricity but I've heard plenty cases where hardware mysteriously stopped working just by touching it, spark/pop or no spark/pop.

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    6. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      people can't sue because i quoted them $100 for a repair and it turns into $200. they can either pay or refuse to pay, simple as that.quotes are subject to change, they aren't a legally binding document. and both of you missed my point. grounding yourself isn't bullshit, grounding STRAPS are bullshit. because to open the case in the first place you have to touch it, and if you can generate enough static to zap a chip in the time between opening the case and touching the card, then i'm very very impressed. if i were on the other hand handling IC's in a very dry environment prone to static build up, i might be more inclinded to ground myself some how. but those wrist straps that connect to the pc case? give me a break.

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    7. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by eggz128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a friend, I'll call Sue, who I help out by fixing her computer whenever they she does something stupid to it. Which is often.

      Sue had been complaining for a while that her computer was slow. WinXP on a P3/600 128Mb isn't much fun :) So I figured out that she'd need PC700 Rambus ram (which as it happens ment that it would be cheaper and easier to just junk the thing and get a new one, but no, we can't do that). A couple of weeks later I get a call saying shes got the RAM and could I come over to fit it.

      On my arrival she proudly told me that she'd been going to evening classes, learning how to fix computers, and the instructor had given her some spare RAM that would work.

      Anyway, I opened up the case, and started to work my way through the wires looking for the RAM slots.

      "No," she yelped, "You've got to use an earthing strap, or you'll damage it". She then launched into a nice 5 minute long lecture on the dangers of static electricity (which she'd learnt all about the previous night).

      Ok, fine I'll wear the earthing strap. Although I'd already earthed myself by touching part of a near by radiator, this would save me any more earache.

      "Ok, I can see the slot. Could you pass me the stick of RAM now please?"

      Sue turned around, and picked up a nylon ruck sack. She unzipped the front of the ruck sack, rooted around inside for a bit, and then produced a single DIMM of PC66. Not in an antistatic bag, not in any kind of protection at all actually, from either physical damage or electrical damage. And covered in all sorts of whatever crap that was in the bottom of that ruck sack.

      "Sue, why am I wearing an antistatic strap if you're going to carry the ram about, unprotected, in something that generates more static than your average Van der f**king Graaf generator?"

      "Oh"

      "And thats not a Rambus RIMM like I told you to get. It's a DIMM. PC66."

      "Dave my instructor said it would work."

      "It won't even physically fit in the slot. Look, the notches are in different places."

      "But Dave said..."

      "Dave is an idiot."

      "Dave also gave me this to speed things up..."

      And with that, Sue reached back into the ruck sack, and produced a K6-2 processor. Also covered in crap, not in an anti static bag.

    8. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by bernywork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some things are out of your control, and unless you have video tape evidence, it really doesn't matter that much.

      Get the customer to sign a disclaimer as they give you the PC. Accidents happen sometimes, nothing you can do about it.

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    9. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by 1251 · · Score: 0

      I don't use anti-static straps either. They are constraining mainly, but like otherwise stated, completely pointless if you're in the habit of touching metal BEFORE touching electronics - and of course avoiding moving afterwards. Fifteen years doing this, never used a strap, still haven't blown anything.

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    10. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by SacredNaCl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The essential I couldn't do without:

      A good quality multimeter, and a large lighted magnifying glass. . So many problems can be traced and solved with that. Doesn't hurt to have an exacto knife and some copper tape as well, depending on the exact type of repair work you do (I can salvage some boards and cards this way, though its patient work).

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    11. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 3, Informative

      I only half agree. I think grounding straps are basically stupid. However, grounding mats are a gift from the Gods. In my 10 years of tech, I've watched plently of ungrounded people take perfectly working pieces of ram and turn them into memory swiss cheese.

      We have a couple of testing stations that have the following setup.

      1. Nice grounded table, with grounding mat(s). We also have a couple grounded turn tables that really help when your building a machine.
      2. Lots of 3 prong outlets.
      3. A common area with all kinds of Power supply testers.
      4. A couple of different 450 watt power supplies wired with power switches for different models of motherboards.
      5. A common area with with a whole bunch of different ram testers.
      6. All our work areas are very well lit. Each station also is equipped with a couple long necked work lights, at least one of them has a magnifying glass so you can make close inspections of parts.
      7. A couple of our stations are equipped with grounded compressed air.
      8. Bins with test parts (video cards, ram, etc) all conspiciously marked with a color coded label to that bench.

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    12. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Goody · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't laugh at anyone who uses a ground strap. While there's plenty of folks here that have worked on PCs for 50+ years and never wrecked anything from static (or so they say), the potential is always there. No static protection may not have outright killed equipment, but there's no saying that it hasn't caused damage that showed up later as squirrely intermittent hardware problems.

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    13. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by wfWebber · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, basically you're saying you don't need a Sue to repair a pc?

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    14. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how did Sue pay for your services. I know I wouldn't put up with those annoyances unless I was compensated well.

    15. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They refuse to pay the 200, you hand them back a PC after breaking a functioning part of it, if they realise youve made it worse then your out of pocket.

      And just get a proper earth bonding point to clip your strap onto.

    16. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by magicchex · · Score: 1

      You're right. Nobody else I know uses one nor has ever needed one.

      I must be that 1% though. I've fried several motherboards (two in the same day that were the same kind (thanks Newegg for replacing them!)) as well as a video card and some other random parts, just by touching them without a strap.

      So I won't give you grief if you don't use one, but please don't make fun of me when I do.

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    17. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So, basically you're saying you don't need a Sue to repair a pc?

      No. He's saying there are other reasons to put up with this sort of crap from women.

    18. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by jonbusby · · Score: 2, Funny

      just make sure you buy one of the benches without the built-in sue.

    19. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by AngryNick · · Score: 1
      Great list. I'd also want the following:
      1. A holster for your power screwdriver
      2. Overhead power drops (like you'd see in a garage)
      3. Wall mounted speaker phone
      4. Pinup calendar
    20. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Funny

      grounded compressed air

      Its a good strategy to keep grounded compressed air on hand.

      While it's little known in the computer industry, the common use for grounded compressed air is for tire-air replacement (it gets stale). Its best to replace the air in your tires once either every 4-6 months, or when you change your blinker-light fluid.

      When using your grounded compressed air, its important to remember to stay away from electrical outlets. Normal air is an insulator, and therefore incapable of being a ground at all.
      Grounded compressed air is not, and as it drifts around it may randomly form an electrical path between things if it loses contact with the ground.

      Now please excuse me. I have to go rotate my hood ornament.

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    21. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sue is his mother.. and when he says he "came over" to fit the RAM.. he means he left his basement.

    22. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by ghukov · · Score: 0

      I have had ram go bad,just from moving it from a perfectly working box to a new box w/ an upgraded mobo/proc setup. Luckily, it was Kensington (I seem to recall) and had a lifetime warranty, so I just RMA'd it. It was probably slightly defective and just needed a nudge. That was the only time I had a static induced component failure.

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    23. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by bxbaser · · Score: 2, Informative

      2. Lots of 3 prong outlets

      Make sure they are not just 3 prong outlets that have only 2 prongs wired. Check yours to see if the electrician failed to connect the ground wire.

      7. A couple of our stations are equipped with grounded compressed air.

      Well filtered and dryed grounded air is even better, sucks when you blow 3 gallons of water onto a mb.
      Even better than compressed air is a tank of nitrogen, way cheaper than running a air compresser all day.

    24. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little clarification, please? I agree, grounding mats are crucial... but the person picking the parts up off the grounding mats must also be grounded. If not via grounding straps, then how?

    25. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Also you have to make sure that the grounded air is from a subtereanean salt mine (as an above ground salt mine is too salty) so that the salt/humidity/static level of the compressed air is kept at an ambient newton level.

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    26. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 2, Informative
      Lots of 3 prong outlets.

      There's a simple formula, too, for figuring that out:

      1. Figure how many inches of bench length you have.
      2. Figure 1 outlet per inch.
      3. Multiply by 3 for top, middle and bottom mounts.
      4. Multiply by 10 just in case.
      More seriously, and almost literally, you cannot have enough power outlets. People who provide techie areas just don't friggin' understand that one. We need DOZENS AND DOZENS of power outlets. We can consume a good 12-24 per 6FT of bench.

      KVMs help reduce that need, but with outlets being a buck each or less, in bulk, then why skimp?

      P.S. 20-30 outlets per 6FT of bench seems like a good rule-of-thumb for the techie.
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    27. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by jwocky · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also like to keep a soldering iron and mulitmeter, but i guess that depends on the work you do. other weird stuff I keep:

      1. One of those little mirrors your dentist uses, so i can see whats behind a mess of wires, read lables on the back of racked routers, etc.
      2. a pickle grabber. ESSENTIAL. looks like a clicky pen, but with prongs comming out. it's great for grabbing screws you drop in the case.
      3. a little magnet. again, for picking up screws. just be careful with magnets.
      4. duct tape....because, well, it's duct tape.

    28. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by tzanger · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, but you're full of shit.

      Static discharge very very infrequently destroys sensitive components immediately. Generally you'll find that static discharge weakens the component (breakdown of the insulation layer in the MOS devices) and causes intermittents, which become less and less intermittent as the device is further subjected to static discharge.

      Now, having said that, when you're working on a PC you are generally touching the case and the case is generally plugged in to a grounded outlet, so you're almost always at or near the same potential as the case, which is generally at ground potential. Where you generally find problems is when the device or you is at different potentials (taking a video card or DIMM out of the gray antistatic bag and setting it down, then picking up the phone/dealing with a customer and coming back to it later without regrounding yourself) -- it's stupidly easy to build up several hundred volts of static potential, and that's not enough to really feel either.

      I've also been in the biz for over a decade... it's not as cut and dry as you suggest. Keeping your environment relatively humid and minimizing static producers (rubber shoes, carpet, etc.) goes a long way. ionizers also help.

    29. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Uh, you do realise that the only reason that ICs in PCs are relatively protected against ESD is that


      1) They are mounted on a PCB


      2) A lot of engineering went into ESD protection diodes at the pins?


      When you realise that the gate on a modern CMOS transistor is only about 5 atoms thick, and you calculate the energy density of a typical human body model ESD discharge, you see that you can quickly degrade those transistors.


      The fact that the factory uses ESD practices throughout the plant, allows for fuck-head know-nothing techs like you to get away with not using a strap and jumping to faulty conclusions.


      Thank fuck you're not handling my 12GHz sampling heads! I'd shove them up your ass sideways if I saw you connecting a coax without discharging it first!

    30. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crawling after you grounded yourself would not make you grounded to what you needed to be grounded to, i.e. the computer you were about to work with.

      Rule 1:Always place computer on table before working.

    31. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rambus?

      muhahahhahahahahhaha, seriously tho... ....muhahahhahahahah

    32. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by UCFFool · · Score: 1

      ROFL. Thanks for starting my day with a big laugh 'fireboy'. I read it to a few coworkers who all laughed very hard.
      Some things don't change... :)

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    33. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double check that the electrician didn't just loop a wire from neutral to ground instead of rewireing old buildings.

    34. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by gnuorder · · Score: 1

      20A 240V to the bench broken down into several banches with their own circuit breakers is useful so you aren't running to the panel in the dark some late night.

    35. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      No, but I have had two mobos (ecs k7sem) and one power supply (dust bunnies) catch fire.

      Proper contact betwixt yourself and something metallic before touching sensitive components is enough to prevent the evils of static discharge.

    36. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So, ah, from high-school physics, you know that if something is an insulator, it will keep a charge, yes? Like a styrofoam cup, fer instance?


      So, uh, if you have air that holds a charge because it's in a container that's isolated, and you spray it all over a sensitive board that's grounded, you will transfer a charge, yeah?


      Um, uh, from high-school physics, transferring a charge equals current, uh, yes?

    37. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have seen static charge blow something

      Oh, man. I gotta get me some of that static charge!

    38. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by BreadMan · · Score: 1

      >> 2. Lots of 3 prong outlets.

      Consider makiing one of those outlets a ground-fault circuit interrupter. If the outlets are wired in a series, you only need one for the entire group. Unless you're close to the panel, I would recommend getting the GFCI outlets and not the breakers.

      This will protect you from defective equipment from the customer and the occasional coffee spill.

    39. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2, Funny

      The important question: Is Sue hot? If she is, just reinstall XP and ask her to get busy while the hard drive is formatting.

    40. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      blah blah never seen a PC part blow due to static blah blah
      No, you've just never looked closely enough to see the damage. Most often the ESD damage is not catastrophic but does degrade a chip or two, leading to errors or slow performance, or maybe the chip's premature death months hence.
      Just because you don't get a micro-nuclear explosion doesn't mean you didn't break something.
      Heck, I once grounded the wrong side of an FM antenna (in the pre-polarized-plug days) and saw a spark. The electronics ran fine for another 6 months until some part finally croaked.
      At the risk of sounding officious :-) , trust the experts. They may actually know something.

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    41. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      spray it all over a sensitive board that's grounded, you will transfer a charge, yeah?

      Are you trying to say that the phrase "grounded air" is meaningful? Do you know how much charge air can hold before it starts to do what you're suggesting in a high enough quantity to damage a circuit board?

      There are enough non-ions within the air itself that it is difficult to induce a current under almost any condition.

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    42. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by mengel · · Score: 1

      If she weren't hot, would this guy be giving her all this free tech support? ;-)

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    43. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be too geeky to see that Dave is obviously trying to bang your girl. A real man would go kick his ass on general principals.

    44. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't try to wiggle out of it, you're wrong and I caught you at it. Go re-frame your bachelor's degree or something, I got work to do.

    45. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >the potential is always there.

      No pun intended!

    46. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by litclicker · · Score: 1

      Make sure you put your outlets above the tables. Nothing more annoying than having to dick around beneath your table in a mess or cords.

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    47. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never worn a strap in over 20 years. One evening when sorting out my cousins computer, i got a full jolt and tripped the mains in the house.
      If you want a buzz forget static and go for the proper treatment, go straight for the mains, it does you wonders if you suffer from back problems.

    48. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      That's good advice, but since the "offices" of IT folks are historically jammed into attics and basements (just to get the smelly little hippies away from the stuffed shirts offended by them), you tend to find 110V being the common power offering ... which is kind of strange since in may corporate basements you can certainly find 240 and 208-3P. {shrug}

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    49. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      While there's plenty of folks here that have worked on PCs for 50+ years...
      Are these people from the future?
    50. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know how it is, you have a few too many beers and gradually the chick with three ears, one eye and an OS/2 laptop with a broken floppy starts to look like Natalie Portman asking you to make the dock icons smaller on her PowerBook.

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    51. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      He means printed circuits, n00b.

    52. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by raddan · · Score: 1

      Exactly. While I might not always use a grounding strap for run-of-the-mill PC repair work, I sure as hell always have one on when I open up one of our $20,000+ servers. Can I justify my job to my boss if I kill that machine? Better safe than sorry.

    53. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by BiAthlon · · Score: 1

      You can only put two regular outlets in the circuit after the GFCI.

      At least acording the the directions provided with the GFCI outlet.

    54. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Tim,

      You are an arrogant moron, let me show u why .

      http://www.semiconfareast.com/fmechs_die.html

      http://www.micromagazine.com/archive/00/06/levit.h tml

      As you don't belive the words maybe pictures for your
      fscking speak-n-spell brain will suffice .

      Get a clue u Tard !

      Peace,
      Ex-MislTech

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    55. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting this, there are so many psuedo techies in here
      that think they know better than 20+ years of the best electrical
      engineering minds of over 150 countries .

      ESD dmg is documented, photograhed, and billions of dollars
      have been lost due to it .

      The sheer audactiy and arrogance at times on /. from the self
      assumed brilliant is fscking staggering .

      I know there are things I don't know, I know I will NEVER know it all.

      I just have those who have gone before me to light the way .

      I have the web, I have the ISO standards, I have brilliant minds
      that sent devices into space to look to for knowledge.

      To those who want to ignore ESD ...

      Learn from the ones who have walked the road before u .

      It might help u avoid some of the mistakes they made .

      Peace,
      Ex-MislTech

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    56. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got work to do.

      Unlikely if that's the best you can do.

    57. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by klept · · Score: 1

      Her type, bro, will always be busy, but not with us.

    58. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by vespazzari · · Score: 1

      wow, i cant tell you how many time that has happened... except normally they want the dock icons bigger....

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    59. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Daktaklakpak · · Score: 1

      that is the only time i have seen static charge blow something (one of my teachers stood on a stool and was demenstrating and neglected to notice the electrical outlet right next to his lower exstremity

      oh, you meant THAT kind of blow. kinky.

    60. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Reziac · · Score: 1

      One thing I always warn my customers about, is that EVERY time you open up a PC, you run a small but definite risk that it will "just die" for no visible reason.

      I suspect these "just die" incidents are a result of microfractures in the motherboard traces, due to accumulated heating/cooling stress; the small shocks from moving and opening the case are the last straw for a cracked trace, and it finally breaks for real. You don't even have to touch anything inside for this to happen. Likely it's more of a problem with cheap cases that have too much flex in 'em.

      In my experience, static isn't much of an issue with most components. I don't use a static strap (one tech I know who deals with a lot of $erver$ says they don't work anyway), but I do spray the carpet with Downy, which keeps the static buildup at zero.

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    61. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      Ok, fine I'll wear the earthing strap. Although I'd already earthed myself by touching part of a near by radiator, this would save me any more earache.

      Actually I think you need not necessarily be at the same potential as the ground, but as the PC. Touching the case would imho be far more effective. In case the PC is plugged in this has the same effect of course. I sometimes unplug mine before servicing it.

    62. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by VAXcat · · Score: 1

      Prolly depends on what part o' the country yer in...here in old Houston town, the humidity never gets low enough to allow static buildup, so we all have become pretty cavalier about the need for elaborate ground precautions.

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    63. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by ankhank · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

      We have a problem with self-esteem in this business. There's way too much of it.

      I've gone behind the counter at some "computer repair" company to find work benches with NO static mats and NO grounding straps.

      Staffed by utterly self-assured young people who had somehow gotten out of high school, who consistently believed that they had never "blown" anything by handling it.

      Kids with no clue whatsoever how a semiconductor works -- or that the name means it has a threshold at which it changes from conducting to insulating, and the little incremental damage to components adds up slowly and unpredictably.

      I remember reading about physicists who tried shipping accelerometers, to test how well package handling companies deal with packages (30g's accelerations recorded).

      I wonder if anyone's loaded up a computer with a little self-powered covert hidden box with a system that records static spikes during "repair" -- any tech journalists, give it a try.

    64. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by eggz128 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to shatter any dreams you might of had, but Sue is 30 years or so my senior, and married. Plus my girlfriend wouldn't approve of that type of thing :)

      While it can be pretty annoying while I'm there, it's worth it just for the amusing stories I get to come away with. I had tried to share a few more in this post, but the lameness filter wont let it through (too few characters per line, blah blah).

      Shes the type that really is genuinely trying hard to learn more, but will never quite get it. Plus shes a friend of my boss, so just fixing these things makes my life easier in the long run.

    65. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by lanced · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, when you say 'broken floppy,' do you mean the laptop's, or your own?

      Although, I would be willing to over look a few things to find a chick that dug OS/2, or at least knew enough to understand why that was funny.

    66. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Two words for ya: support contract. :-)

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    67. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      What about having a work surface made out of stainless steel tied to the building electrical ground as an aid to preventing static damage? You can find stainless steel tables at a lot of kitchen supply places and sometimes they're surprisingly cheap. They're also built like tanks and easy to clean. Failing that having the worksurface covered with stainless by a countertop company would give you a nice hard surface, easy to clean and great for discharging static buildup.

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    68. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by pen · · Score: 1

      Where is your shop, and can I come work for you?

    69. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your cousin jolted you with a strap-on?

    70. Re:The essentials of desktop repair by nicomp · · Score: 1

      How do you get parts onto the grounding pad if you don't wear a strap?

  8. Warez by frinkacheese · · Score: 0


    A copy of every OS you work with plus keys.
    A coffee/tea mug and coaster.

    1. Re:Warez by Deathbane27 · · Score: 1

      A copy of every OS you work with plus keys.
      A coffee/tea mug and coaster.


      OS CDs? Coaster? Aren't those one and the same?

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    2. Re:Warez by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1
      OS CDs? Coaster? Aren't those one and the same?
      No, no no! That's AOL CD's!!
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  9. What is a tech bench? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 1

    What is a tech bench used for? (I don't know, I'm asking.)

    I have a "tech chair", but that's just a fancy name for my chair. It has casters and can go up and down at the press of a lever. It also leans back, but I can prevent that movement by a little latch on the side of the chair. The tech chair also swivels.

    But back to your question: What's on my tech bench? Me. And sometimes people who come in while I'm not here, but I don't like that very much.

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    1. Re:What is a tech bench? by Alphabet+Pal · · Score: 1
      What is a tech bench used for?

      Reviving a geek's marriage?

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  10. Dude this is slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an 8port KVM and overhead baskets full of components in my bedroom.

    1. Re:Dude this is slashdot by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Worst chatup line ever.

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    2. Re:Dude this is slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? This is slashdot!

    3. Re:Dude this is slashdot by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Even the lowest division has to have a team in last place.

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  11. More than one console . . . by millisa · · Score: 5, Informative

    One CRT isn't going to cut it. Get a second LCD mounted up on the wall. That much space, you likely want to watch more than one thing at a time and a switch box is frustrating.

    An old laptop with floppy drive (and a burner if you want to get fancy). Nothing is more irritating than having to walk back and forth for bios, drivers, and whatnot to put on floppies at your desk . . . There's always something you want to lookup online or download to use on your hardware.

    Easily accessible tools. Not bins. Not a toolbox under the bench. A nice set of phillips and flatheads, maybe a couple needle nose just there on the wall. (Paint them fluorescent orange or something so they dont walk away if you want). Those all-in-one tool cases with their plastic snapin holders are not conducive to putting things away right.

    An assortment of 'known good' parts in easy to get to bins doesn't hurt. And a nice sorted variety of screws is always good (I don't know what they do with them, but people seem to like hording backplanes and their screws . . .).

    Easy to reach canned air. Easy to reach paper towels.

    1. Re:More than one console . . . by vudufixit · · Score: 1

      >(I don't know what they do with them, but >people seem to like hording backplanes and their >screws . . .)

          Backplanes (PCI/ISA/AGP backcovers) make cool bookmarks. But other than one or two, I chuck em with zeal.

        As for screws, I find it absolutely invaluable to have extra screws around, especially ones to fasten the backs of cases, and various optical and 3.5 drives into their respective bays.

    2. Re:More than one console . . . by Zawash · · Score: 3, Informative

      In addition to the Phillips and Flathead screwdrivers, you'd also want some Pozidrivs, Hex and Torx. Although most computer screws are of the Phillips variety, it doesn't hurt to be prepared.

      Most screws out there are actually Pozidriv screws, but a lot of people use Phillips screwdrivers in Pozidriv screws and vice versa. ..Even trained carpenters! The result - ruined screws, ruined screwdrivers and carpal tunnel syndrome..

      You guys know the difference between a Phillips and a Pozidriv, right?

      Cheers!

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    3. Re:More than one console . . . by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another easily accessable computer. Sometimes you just need to google to see if a company's driver causes problems.

      A completely naked computer that has been optimized for quick booting (a CF-system, perhaps?). Either way, a quick and easy way to test parts for failure.

      Voltometer. Always good for testing parts for failure.

      USB flash drive with all of your utilities.
      Linux boot floppies / CD's.

      A wired rotary disk-cutting tool. These come in handy far, far more often then they should.

      A Lazy Susan. I hate having to constantly turn machines around.

      All of the assorted parts you need to put into computers... Things like spare case screws, spare PSU's, little rubber feet...

      All of the assorted screw drivers, etc, that you need to fix computers, which i'm sure you have figured out by now.

      A bin of dead parts for scrap. Sometimes you just really need a face pannel from a networking card. You'll figure out what the usful scavengable parts are pretty quickly.

      A pen and a notepad, believe it or not.

    4. Re:More than one console . . . by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      Make sure your KVM has the ability to auto switch between inputs on a timed interval.

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    5. Re:More than one console . . . by dagr8tim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a good list, might I add afew small things.

      The alcohol prep pads that hospitals use. I usually buy them at home health places cheaply. Bottles of rubbing alchool with q tips and swabs. And lastly, those large anti-bacterial computer/equipment wipes.

      I hate starting on a case that's covered in tar because their owner smokes. That's bare min an additional $25 fee if I have to wipe the computer down to work on it.

      I also keep assorted fly swatters/heavy hand held objects to squash anything that tried to crawl out of a case when I open it. On that note, I keep large clear plastic garbage bags on hand. These are used in alot of factories as liner's for 55 gallon drums. If something does crawl out of the computer, the computer and any assoicated parts go into a bag, the bag is tied shut, and a zip tie is affixed below the knot in the bag. Then the owner is called to come pick up their computer.

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    6. Re:More than one console . . . by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Oh, and don't forget the robertson screwdrivers. For the americans who don't know, it's a square bit used a lot in Canada. They work so much better than phillips and flat (which is the worst invention ever). I don't know why everything hasn't moved over to robertson. Does anyone know where you can get a Nintendo Triangle bit? is this only available as part of the triforce in Zelda?

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    7. Re:More than one console . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be unusually scared of creepy-crawlies.

    8. Re:More than one console . . . by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Don't forget a test bed system. For times when you need to format a Hard drive, Duplicate a drive, test a piece of hardware, etc.

      You don't even need a case for the thing.

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    9. Re:More than one console . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Heh, follow the link the in GP:

      Triangle Recess Bits

    10. Re:More than one console . . . by bernywork · · Score: 1

      I thought that "Easy to reach canned air. Easy to reach paper towels" was your sig, and I thought, "Yes , an air horn and toilet paper could well be of a lot of use"... Well, that is if you have the air horn and they don't know you are behind them.... Then THEY need the toilet paper.

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    11. Re:More than one console . . . by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      I also keep assorted fly swatters/heavy hand held objects to squash anything that tried to crawl out of a case when I open it. On that note, I keep large clear plastic garbage bags on hand. These are used in alot of factories as liner's for 55 gallon drums. If something does crawl out of the computer, the computer and any assoicated parts go into a bag, the bag is tied shut, and a zip tie is affixed below the knot in the bag.

      Personnally, I prefer to use gdb for my debugging needs...

    12. Re:More than one console . . . by dagr8tim · · Score: 1
      You seem to be unusually scared of creepy-crawlies

      I do this is a side buisness out of my basement. I personally do not have a want or need for cock roaches in my home. And yes, I have seen cases be opened and roaches crawl out.

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    13. Re:More than one console . . . by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      Robertson? I live in Canada, and was a computer tech for many moons -- I've *NEVER* come across a robertson bit on a computer or computer accessory. Everything was Phillips, Pozidriv, or Torx. The latter of which being on most proprietary systems, (HP, Dell, etc.)

      And it's funny you mention those triangle bits -- my girlfriend has wanted a triangle bit screwdriver forever so she could pull apart and/or replace batteries in various McDonald's children's toys: all of them are triangle screws.

      As for the original question, my tech bench had an AT, and ATX power supply that I screwed and BOLTED to the tech bench, since any working power supplies that were left were snatched up a salesman and sold when I wasn't looking on various occasions. I suggest at least one system on the Internet for fetching drivers/bios/etc, that has old crappy parts in it so no one will think to scam parts from it for systems they're building.

      Lots of operating system CDs with keys, a memtest86 disk/cd, lots of spare screws, and a large pair of wire cutters you can use to threaten anyone who comes to your tech bench unwanted or tries to steal any of your parts without your permission. :)

    14. Re:More than one console . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Storage space for old parts and swapped out components and labels and manuals and installation CD's. A fine-tip permanent marker for writing on things. A real labelmaker. A good quality 4-port keyboard/video/mouse switch that does USB and PS/2 at the same time. (Belkin makes a nice one.) Analog video/DVI adapters of all genders. Spare cables, especially extensions for computer power and video so you can work on a computer on the floor with the monitor and keyboard on the bench. Good pliers and wire cutters. Velcro strips instead of Ty-Wraps for bundling cable. A good voltmeter. A box of standoffs for getting your motherboards off of the bare table when you're experimenting with it. A spare, known-good, high wattage power supply. Enough electrical power. A good magnifier with a lamp built in. A comfortable chair to work from. A nearby coffee maker filled by someone else regularly. Disk space and neetwork connectivity on a server to download driver updates and put them on floppy/CD/USB stick/whatever. Live Linux boot CD's for testing hardware or recovering files, such as the Knoppix CD's.

    15. Re:More than one console . . . by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The reason that you don't really see robertson is that most people use the stock screws that come with their hardware. When it comes to case screws, which will probably get used more than any other, having a screw which doesn't strip is a lifesaver. When I end up getting new screws, I always get robertson if they are available in the right size.

      Oh, and software is probably the most important tools you can have when fixing computers. We got some new computers the other day at work. One of them had bad memory, and didn't pass the POST test once you turned on the memory. It's amazing the number of shops who don't test the parts they put into their computers.

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    16. Re:More than one console . . . by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      "I hate starting on a case that's covered in tar because their owner smokes. That's bare min an additional $25 fee if I have to wipe the computer down to work on it."
      Amen. What I do these days is clean a stripe of crap off the case, leaving a clean patch to show just how fricking dirty his box was when i worked on it...

    17. Re:More than one console . . . by FlameSnyper · · Score: 1

      Another good way to prevent salespeople from taking your power supply is to remove the top cover (thus breaking the warranty seal) and then beat on the top cover with your ball peen hammer.

      Then put it back on.

      Power supply still works, but it looks like crap. No way they're gonna sell that to a customer. :-)

    18. Re:More than one console . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh, and don't forget the robertson screwdrivers. For the americans who don't know, it's a square bit used a lot in Canada. ...
      The reason that you don't really see robertson is that most people use the stock screws that come with their hardware... When I end up getting new screws, I always get robertson if they are available in the right size.


      So what you meant to say is, it's a screw which is used a lot in Canada by you, when you end up getting new screws?
    19. Re:More than one console . . . by Marillion · · Score: 1

      Light. Lots of it. And one an articulated arm too.

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    20. Re:More than one console . . . by alc6379 · · Score: 1
      Hear Hear!

      I once installed a NIC into a system where prior to installing DSL, the owner's only usage of the computer was to sit in front of it and smoke 2+ packs a day while playing Solitaire.

      Anyways, this person had only had the system a year, but when I opened it, there was nearly 1/2 of an inch (over 1cm for you metric-er's) of this brown tar/dust mixture covering every surface of the system! About tje only way I ended up getting it out was by using the crevace tool on a vacuum set to LOW, and sucking the dirt out. Then, I hand-wiped down the PSU fan and processor fan. I was going to charge $30 to install the NIC, but when I got done with that, I charged $50 that day.

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    21. Re:More than one console . . . by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Adding to your comment, I recommend a test bed system with removeable hard drive trays (less than $10 each at computergate.com). I use them so I can use different OS's for test bedding. Also, have a second frame as the secondary master, so you can install the test hard drive in that bay (most tested hard drives will be masters) Mine has frames for Pri/Master, Sec/Master and Sec/Slave, and an second IDE card for a CDROM as master for booting if needed.

      One master drive is a completely updated Windows XP disk purely for testing hard drives that may be infected with viruses and spyware. (updated, then unplug ethernet cable before booting....) This hard drive is never connected to the internet except to update, to keep it somewhat isolated.

      Another is a Fedora disk with tons of utilities, for disk partitioning, formatting, testing or general ripping of data.

      A third is a Windows XP setup purely for games. (hey, can't work all the time....)

      Of course, I always have a Knoppix CD handy as well.

      I also use old spare drives in extra trays to test new OS's when they come out. I have several old 10,15,20gb drives I install SuSE, Debian, FreeBSD, etc on so I can test and play with them.

      My system is just a Athlon 2500+, 512ram, Gforce 4???, older 3com nic, floppy, 8x cd burner (bootable as Tert./master), and a LCD monitor. Except for games, a system with half the CPU and GPU would be fine.

      The trays allow me to have an unlimited number of virtual computers, all in one case, without dualbooting, on KNOWN hardware.

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    22. Re:More than one console . . . by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      Wow! I had no idea there where so many different types of screwheads...

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    23. Re:More than one console . . . by dc_genevieve · · Score: 1

      We wall mounted 4 15" LCD's. Since we usually had two people working at the Help Desk bench, this worked out much better than a KVM

      You should also have an analog phone line for testing modems. If possible, I suggest an alternate high speed connection to the internet. For example, some of our network jacks were on DSL instead of our main network. They really came in handy when a VP brought in a malware/virus infested computer. In addition, it was great for bypassing those tricky firewalls.

      We used large amounts of 90% rubbing alcohol and LCD screen cleaning spray. Qtips also come in handy for cleaning keyboards.

      Although it doesn't have to be stored at the help desk bench, I suggest gaffers tape for taping down cords. It comes in lots of colors, sticks to carpet nicely and is easy to tear.

  12. An excuse calandar... by spammeister · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just like the BOFH! In him we trust... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/08/11/802_11bofh /

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  13. Re:A sledge-o-matic by tabkey12 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Or possibly some beautiful Watermelon Art from the same talented guy...

  14. Known Good Parts by Fortress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMHO, nothing helps more with diagnosing hardware problems than some tested hardware (video card, processor, RAM). Makes isolating a problem or conflict dead easy.

    1. Re:Known Good Parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two words...

      post card.

    2. Re:Known Good Parts by archen · · Score: 1

      Heh, I was going to post that all I usually have are wires (power/vid/etc), a cdrom, and a spare hard drive. But when it comes down to it, you just need a bunch of spare working computers as you say.
      The problem is that all of this stuff doesn't fit on a bench easily. I mean look at the video card. You at minimum need a PCI to make sure the computer can handle video at all. There are about 3 different types of AGP slots. When you take all of the different types of RAM/hard drives/Cards etc into account it isn't really a desk anymore, it's a scrapyard.

      Basically a minimum you need two screw drivers (flat, phillips), needle nose pliers, a small box of jumpers and screws, and possibly a few cables and that's about it. Copies of often used CD's as well I suppose. Probably the best layout is having stuff organized and easily within reach NEAR the desk, because you'll never fit it all on there anyway. Some people are posting about compressed air, but I don't know why in the hell you'd want to blow all that dirt around your desk anyway, go outside or somewhere you don't care where it's dirty.

      And a pristine CDROM... don't even screw with whatever is in the computer. Lost a few knoppix cds to turbojet scratch-o-matic drives...

  15. magnifying lens or new monitor by joey_knisch · · Score: 1, Insightful

    15 inches... How do you survive man?

    Spring for a new monitor or two. They are cheap and well worth it. You have plenty of desk space and your eyes will thank you.

  16. isn't that too deep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a desk 4 feet across, you cannot reach stuff on the far side without standing up. (assume you are less than 6 feet tall.)

    vajk

    1. Re:isn't that too deep by frinkacheese · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You short-arse!

  17. Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Anything else is optional.

  18. workbench ... by tim_uk · · Score: 3, Informative
    Lose the CRT and wall mount the 3 new LCD panels (you are getting 3 new LCD panels, right?)

    Two more 4 port KVMs would then fit right in. Wall mount those as well. Keep as much bench top space as you can free. The overhead bins are a GREAT idea.

    Also several drawers running along the front. Norm (New Yankee Workshop) has a plan for a storage/workbench that would adapt really well for your requirements. Flush mount the power outlets (double the amount you think you will ever need) either to the bench surface or the wall. Beware static! ;-)

    1. Re:workbench ... by Emeye · · Score: 1

      In my friend's shop, they keep it pretty simple. It's a small place, so most of the parts are clsoe at hand. They use an electric screwdriver, because it's much faster for opening cases. A CRT, mouse, and keyboard that never leave. The coffe machine and such is on another table entirely, as clients tend to dislike it when coffee spills all over their machine, especially when it's running

    2. Re:workbench ... by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't lose the CRT. Make sure you have a good one, that can cope with a wide variety of resolutions and refresh rates - you never know what some idiot has set their screen resolution to (and wants it left at because they like it), and LCDs are a complete pain to look at if you are not feeding them their native resolution.

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    3. Re:workbench ... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Three LCDs? This isn't the dot com era. Do you know how much those LCDs cost? Here's a hint: A LOT.

    4. Re:workbench ... by tim_uk · · Score: 1

      $200 each is a lot? Wow. I guess it must still be 1998 outside...

    5. Re:workbench ... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I paid about £20 for my monitor, so yes, it is. And that 200 is only going to get you a small LCD.

    6. Re:workbench ... by tim_uk · · Score: 1
      £20? Wow. You like your eyesight then?
      I paid £100 +VAT for a 17in LCD last month. Buying three would have knocked that price down further.

      It's nothing fancy, but it doesn't need to be.

    7. Re:workbench ... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Don't lose the CRT. Make sure you have a good one, that can cope with a wide variety of resolutions and refresh rates - you never know what some idiot has set their screen resolution to (and wants it left at because they like it), and LCDs are a complete pain to look at if you are not feeding them their native resolution.

      LCD's are also a pain because some of them are really fussy about refresh rates that are not 60hz. Newer versions of windows is smart enough to adjust the refresh rate most of the time, but X in Linux usually isn't. They are also a pain because they generally won't display any resolutions above what they are rated for. My used 21" IBM with dual inputs (DVI & VGA) is a far more useful monitor for hooking up random computers.

  19. Re:dum de dum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its funny how much spare time i end up having to browse /. and such when i'm on business trips and working at the data center at 3am waiting for installs to finish or machines to boot

  20. Illuminated Magnifier by mr.henry · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Maybe I am getting too old, but I've been thinking an illuminated magnifier would be pretty useful to have for my bench.

    BTW, check out the Xcelite PRO-SERIES ergo screwdrivers (model #XPE500 for the 5 piece). I love these things -- using quality German made handtools is really satisfying. I think I paid $25 at Fry's.

    1. Re:Illuminated Magnifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >BTW, check out the Xcelite PRO-SERIES ergo screwdrivers

      Xcelite also makes the best needlenose pliers and tweezers I've ever used.

      Also, on the illuminated mangnifier, try before you buy. We have one at work that I believe wasn't cheap, but its not very useful. The light switch on it is flaky and the optics aren't really practical. I find I have to keep both my head and the piece I'm working on positioned just right or they go out of focus. You might be better off with some of those geeky, but useful, magnifiers that look like glasses. Then just make sure you have good lighting over the bench.

    2. Re:Illuminated Magnifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. XCelite a quality German-made screwdriver?

      Methinks you've been inhaling a wee bit too much dust-off.

      Did you mean to say Wiha screwdrivers?

    3. Re:Illuminated Magnifier by runderwo · · Score: 1

      I've had several Xcelite snips break on me, so they are not as synonymous with quality in my mind as with some others here...

    4. Re:Illuminated Magnifier by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Xcelite also makes the best needlenose pliers and tweezers I've ever used.

      Xcelite tweezers are nothing compared to VOMM.

      VOMM is a German company that makes ONLY tweezers. They seem to start at about $15 a piece.

      Here's an example.

      I've used Whia, Xcelite, Erem and some others that I forget. IMO, VOMM is the best.

      Also, on the illuminated mangnifier, try before you buy. We have one at work that I believe wasn't cheap, but its not very useful.

      I recommend shelling out the money for a real stereomicroscope with a boom stand.

      If you really don't have the money for that, I reccommend an Optivisor.
      Those lighted magnifiers and big and clunky and always seem to be in the way of your hands.

      If you're really broke or think someone is going to steal them, buy a set of cheap eye loupes.

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  21. Stuff you need by chowhound · · Score: 1

    Anti-static pad, LCD on a movable arm, compressed air, spare screws (there are always some missing), power strip mounted on the work surface.

  22. For example... by Yeti.SSM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In random order:

    1. Something to remove dust from the computers' inside and from the workbench (compressed air, vacuum cleaner, both...)
    2. Voltmeter
    3. Spare PSU
    4. Air conditioning (posibly in conjunction with 1)
    5. Trash bin

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    1. Re:For example... by wren337 · · Score: 1

      I have an old manually switched AT power supply that is great for powering drives outside of cases. Very handy. It has a BRS on it, and it comes on without a mainboard and without jumpering anything. Nice to have 12V and 5V leads.

    2. Re:For example... by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 1

      1. Something to remove dust from the computers' inside and from the workbench (compressed air...

      Whatever you do, do NOT use an air compressor like you would use with power tools and/or to fill a tire. You'll blow components off boards and blades off fans that way. If you do use compressed air, use 1. air in a can or 2. something that has a low pressure (I've seen hand pumps that may fit this bill).

      It's also recommended NOT to use compressed air indoors due to the sheer amount of dust you'll put in the air.

    3. Re:For example... by nharmon · · Score: 1

      You could regulate the compressed air down to a comfortable level, and then have an exhaust system take the dust and put it outside.

  23. Test bench by xx01dk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not quite related, but my bench is hand made, stands 43" high in a "L" shape, conforming to the layout of my single-car garage. I've got a kegerator in the corner, with the tap mounted 2' from my main PC's keyboard. Also have a 29" tv mounted bar-style in the corner, angled down with an Xbox and PS2 and a 5-disk DVD player attached.

    My "console" consists o my main PC, an WinXP machine on an Intel 540 with Raptors in Raid-0 and 2Gb Ramm in the center, with a 2Ghz Dell laptop on the left and a 2.4 Ghz Fed Core server on the right, all controlled via Synergy.

    The "L" is 6' by 34" on one leg and 8' by 34" on the other, along the wall. The wall portion is designed to fold down via gate hinges and gas shocks (not installed yet...it's heavy)in case I need to actually get a car in here.

    My Fed Core tower has external, front-mounted IDE and Molex connectors, and it and the WinXP pc use LCD's to save on desk space. I've got a 2'6" rack box with nothin in it at the momment but plan to add sound gear and maybe a blade server of some sort when the fundage comes. :)

    The workbench surface itself is white laminated 5/8's inch particle board stock which works great for optical mice. I wired in a 12-outlet power strip along the short wall and another 2-outlet box in the middle of the long wall.

    It's quite cozy in here and I love having all this surface to work on whether standing or sitting on my barstools. And currently, I have Pyramid Heffe on tap which doesn't hurt either. Here's a link for a pic:

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/testbenchdude /DSCN2545.jpg

    Hope you all like. I know it's kinda off-topic, but I do have a full range of miniature/microminiature solder repair equipment availible to repair PCB's and such. :) Lemme know what ya all think, and if you're even in the SD area, look me up and I'll pour ya a pint.

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    1. Re:Test bench by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Well, TBH the first thing that came to my mind was that I wouldn't want to sit on a bar stool for the amounts of time I typically spend at the computer. I imagine the ergonomics geeks won't be happy with that, either. You've got an office chair there, but that's probably for console gaming, I can't see how you would use the computers sitting in it.

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    2. Re:Test bench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that a picture of you? If so, you're actually pretty cute! Much cuter than the usual /. crowd! Keep up the good work!

    3. Re:Test bench by deetsay · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't want to sit on a bar stool for the amounts of time I typically spend at the computer. I imagine the ergonomics geeks won't be happy with that, either.
      I used to have barstools in my garage. It's not bad at all, as long as the desk is high enough. I don't have a garage any more - the current place has an extra room for "my stuff" instead. It turns out I preferred the garage. I definitely want one again next time.
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    4. Re:Test bench by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Make sure that you periodically fold the things up. I shoudl've made my workbench foldable. As it is, since the bench is a flat surface that's rarely disturbed, it accumulates junk rapidly. If it folded up to the wall when not in use, I might actually have a flat surface to work on once in a while. :(

    5. Re:Test bench by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      What's your address? I have some friends who want to..uh.. visit you. ;)

    6. Re:Test bench by bhiestand · · Score: 2, Funny
      Also have a 29" tv mounted bar-style...

      You had me at "I've got a kegerator in the corner, with the tap mounted 2' from my main PC's keyboard."
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    7. Re:Test bench by pentalive · · Score: 1

      You did not mention the "comfy chair"..

      In the last house I owned I had a whole bedroom wherein I installed plywood work surfaces around all 4 walls, the correct hight for a comfy chair. computers in each corner. Shelves on the long walls, lights underneath. The "tower of diskettes" (10 tall exponents drawer system).. no beer (but then I only drink diet dr pepper).

      Two runs of plugstrips underneath the work surfaces, one connected to the switched outlet for lights and monitors, the other connected to a non-swiched outlet for systems.

    8. Re:Test bench by brakk · · Score: 1

      Nice setup. It almost has an Irish pub feel to it. You should push it in that direction. Maybe stain and distress the wood on your bench to match the walls and hang up some bar signs or something.

    9. Re:Test bench by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Doesn't it get a little hot or cold in there? I like to hang out in my garage too, but during the summer it's about 120 in there so I don't. I imagine that most parts of the country will have this problem during some parts of the year (either too hot in the summer or too cold in the winter).

    10. Re:Test bench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My Fed Core tower has external, front-mounted IDE and Molex connectors"

      Were can I get a front-mounted IDE connector? This can be very useful.

    11. Re:Test bench by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1

      SD? As in South Dakota? Where abouts. I am in Brookings frequently and Vermillion on ocassion.

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    12. Re:Test bench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and if you're even in the SD area, look me up and I'll pour ya a pint. I think that this may be the first time ever in whih someone's garage will be Slashdotted by booze-hungry readers...

    13. Re:Test bench by xx01dk · · Score: 1

      I tend to alternate between the two a lot. The barstools now have comfy cushions on them which helps, plus the height is tall enough for me to be comfortable standing when the need arises.

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    14. Re:Test bench by xx01dk · · Score: 1

      wow, thanks!

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    15. Re:Test bench by xx01dk · · Score: 1

      It can get pretty warm, but I get a nice breeze in here most nights by opening the garage door about 6" and turning on a vent fan in the window (not in the pic), plus I have a nice, big oscillating fan in the middle of the garage. And in the cooler months (it can drop to the low 40's here) a space-heater works just fine, provided I'm not hosting a mini-lan party (the breaker is only 15amps, and 4 PC's with a couple of CRT's will blow it when the heat is on).

      Also not in the pic is one of those lamps one finds atop framed artwork ($17 from Home Depot) which is really nice since I can direct the output toward the desk for more light, or toward to ceiling for just enough light to type by. It's mounted above the short leg. I also have to apologise as the pic is about 6 months old and I've done lots of little things between now and then like a couple of Guiness tins and other tchochkes mounted for "flair".

      BTW I'm in San Diego, not South Dakota.

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    16. Re:Test bench by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      BTW I'm in San Diego,

      Oh, you should have mentioned this earlier. That explains everything. The one place in the country where you can comfortably live without A/C year-round.

    17. Re:Test bench by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      I'm in the process of setting up my workbench now. What do you have for solder equipment?

      I have a Hakko 936, a pair of hot tweezers and a cheap vaccum bulb desoldering iron. For magnification I use an Optivisor, but I soom will have a Bausch and Lomb Stereozoom 7 up and running :)

      What do you use for lighting?

      Also, beer is a great idea. I was leaning towards a milling machine, but maybe what I really need is a kegerator...

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    18. Re:Test bench by xx01dk · · Score: 1

      Nothing really technical, although I'm in the process of aquiring and old PRC-2000 with attachments. Usually I simply use an older military issue iron (can't remember what it is right now) and a set of dental tools, a couple of vises, some magnifying lenses and bases, and the afore-mentioned art-light. I'm not equipped to do micro-miniature, but it's just fine for the occasional component/board/run repair and wire-work. I got the usual suspects of solders, wicking, flux and alcohol and epoxy as well. I can't wait to get that PRC though...

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  24. PSU by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A loose power supply. One that you can actually switch on without a mainboard attached. Very conveniant to get that forgotten CD/DVD out the drive, or to test drives.

    1. Re:PSU by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      And a box of large paperclips, for getting forgotten CD's out of a drive.

    2. Re:PSU by really? · · Score: 1

      Any PSU that I know can be powered up without a MB attached; you just need to short out the right pins on the connector. I guess there could well be some that you can't do that too, but _I_ haven't found any.

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    3. Re:PSU by hokeyru · · Score: 1

      This is the only thing I use paperclips for. I can't remember the last time I had occaison to actually clip pieces of paper together.

      I do a lot of work with serial cables, and a decent soldering iron and, above all, a nice clamp is indispensible.

  25. A harddisk with linux installed on it by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

    Probably SuSE or another flavor with a large hardware support kernel right out of the box. Makes testing for hardware bugs days faster. Just mount the disk to the bench. Maybe a disk per interface type (ATA/SATA/SCSI).

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  26. You saw this comin',,,,, by DavidLeeRoth · · Score: 1

    A Beowulf Cluster of Ipod Nano's. They're so cute!

  27. Useful items: by loic_2003 · · Score: 1

    -Standalone ADSL (ie not connected to the work network/firewall) to allow you to pull down drivers/updates/apps
    -Mini toolbox & multimeter (depending how much you get into hardware repair)
    -spare *working* parts to help the process of elimination with faulty hardware.
    -Cans of air to clean parts
    -Second monitor/keyboard/mouse so you can work on two separate projects without have to muck around with a KVM

    1. Re:Useful items: by Le_Batleur · · Score: 1

      Why have a standalone ADSL? Won't you benefit from a firewalled connection?

      An exposed Wintel machine takes only minutes to pick up a passing worm when connected to the Internet by an unfirewalled connection, and be totally compromised - and a workshop is the first place I'd expect to find such a PC, in a semi-configured state.

      (We had this "No time to download patches" debate a while ago here... if you don't go through a firewall to *get* those securing patches in the first place, it's not straightforward)

  28. Missing by design.sound · · Score: 1

    Where's your 'scope? How do you expect clients and the boss to take your seriously without a scope and pretty rotating lisajous patterns?

  29. off the top of my head by _pi-away · · Score: 3, Interesting

    -speakers
    -dvi lcd (if the customer is complaining of a DVI problem, you'll need this)
    -spare PSU(s)
    -jumpers
    -Y power splitters
    -hard drives (pata, sata, various scsi if you got em)
    -hi-speed usb device (to test usb)
    -network connections (firewalled into its own DMZ, you don't want the customers wormed out pcs running wild behind your firewall)
    -cordless drill and charger
    -solder kit, heatshrink tubing
    -all the standard various screws computers come with
    -lots of outlets on a circuit supporting enough amperage to really use them

    probly lots i'm forgetting, but it's a start.

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    1. Re:off the top of my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The firewall is a great feature, I like a logging one so I can see if the nic even tries to sent packets or if the error is on another level.

    2. Re:off the top of my head by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

      What you really ideally want with the firewall is a switch that tags each machine for a separate vlan. The firewall gets traffic on all VLANs, each host only gets its own. No more worms spreading from an infected customer machine to a clean-but-unpatched one. Using VLANs should help let you network the PCs being tested without going completely insane, and without compromising client data.

      Yes, that involves a switch that costs actual money. Not too much though - I bought a 24 port vlan capable managed switch with 10/100 with two gigabit ports for AU$650 (probably well sub-$500 US). If you only need a 16 or less, it's even cheaper.

      The firewall of course would only forward traffic on specific ports, and only do HTTP/HTTPs through a non-transparent proxy (or perhaps even SOCKS).

      I'd be inclined to put some sort of cheap Linux box on all the client VLANs too, so it can provide a read-only network file store for them.

  30. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by xx01dk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    what's your point? I still check /. every day and there seems to be no dearth in the amount of respones to any given thread... Nice troll. Also, way to have nothing anything remotely constructive to add to this thread.

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  31. my usual operating table by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    halogen lamp, mini mag w/headstrap, a kvm w/audio, 17" lcd, antistatic wrist band/mat, port 80 card, network switch & cables, mini vacuum cleaner, brush, toy credit card for scraping paste, isopropyl alcohol, thermal paste, spare known good psu, psu tester, spare 256mb ddr, swabs, usb to ata adapter hooked to a dvd-rom, intellimouse explorer, cheap 104 kb, cobbled together microatx w/mobile rack & a huge hd filled with software & patches, various cds, buttload of demagnetized screwdrivers, tweezers, and a bucket filled with screws jumpers cables and header connectors. and a bunch more stuff in drawers.

  32. Tech bench by pedicabo · · Score: 0

    An engineer who works for free.

  33. It doesn't matter! by Chicane-UK · · Score: 0

    In my previous tech job, we moved offices a few times and each time we planned KVM's, tool racks, spares, places to put 'work in progress' machines etc.. but it didn't matter. Within a few months tools get left lying around (or missing), machines were scattered everywhere and the whole system was in disarray.

    I don't think we were just lazy - virtually every single tech outfit i've ever visited ends up going the same way. Its just the way of techies! :D

    So save your time now.. don't bother.. just leave some empty tables to work on and let whatever chaos that will inevitable ensue, happen! :)

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    1. Re:It doesn't matter! by Fjornir · · Score: 1
      OK, I spent some time as a consultant so I've been through a fair few shops and I think I can comment on this point. To put it succinctly a good shop is going to have good tool discipline. Now I don't mean it needs to be as strong as say, NASA's but it's important.

      I've seen groups use the "Its just the way of techies!" to excuse any amount of sloppiness and laziness. I got a sinking feeling in the bottom of my stomach when I started my most recent position and found out that the empty cube filled with crap (disassembled computers, random parts, screwdrivers strewn about, ...) actually belonged to one of the IT guys so it was no surprise to me that we've been plagued by constant network outages, server downtime, the works.

      In closing I'll say that the people leading good IT organizations tend to be serious, driven, and disciplined. And I don't think it's a coincidence.

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  34. From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbench by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • standardised personal tool harness for everybody. Power Screwdriver, small wrenches, bits, e-meter and maybe a headlamp/MiniMag with headstrap.
    • Bench Bays with rounded corners. Bench surface should be as high as your lower rib when standing (ca. 130cm)
    • 1 or 2 barchairs for those occasions when you want to sit down
    • adjustible LED-driven spotlight armlamps down from the ceiling
    • named part components at the wall end of each Benchbay
    • named screw components!
    • lists of SOPs between the bays
    • fixed bolted-on open and caseless PC setup for quicktesting hardware between bays
    • ready harddrives with all standard installs of you shop
    • small parts grabber handy
    • remotely switchable vacuum in other room with a thin hose to every workplace
    • optional: remote compressor with dentist air nozzle at every workplace
    • anti-static grounding at every workplace + anti-static armring installed
    • telefone/intercom at every workplace, maybe with headset
    • wooden working surface, thick and well waxed, oiled and polished
    • enough room for supplies/finished product trolleys
    • customer waiting zone inside the shop with coffee and magazine rack - especially if your shop is impressive and well kept


    That's all that comes to mind just now.
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  35. Very first thing... by Rgb465 · · Score: 1

    Get rid of the KVM. 4 monitors (flat panels if you need the space, CRTs if you cant spare the cost) + 4 keyboards and mice are *so* much easier to deal with when you are working on more than one machine at a time. Add a USB keyboard and mouse as well, because you will undoubtedly encounter more than a few systems that will require them.

    Second; set up a network that is isolated from your company's main network. This is so that any infected PCs would not be able to spread the virus/worm/etc to the other machines in your office. Ideally, this network would have its own external IP, as well as a strict firewall (Slackware running on a cheap 2-NIC PC has always done the trick for me, but YMMV). You will probably need a fileserver on this network (for hosting patches, AV installs, anti-spyware tools, windows upgrades, etc) running some flavor of Linux or Unix.

    Lastly; Anti-static mats over the entire bench. Nothing is worse than having to call up a customer to tell them you accidentally fried their video card.

    1. Re:Very first thing... by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

      Really. Getting rid of the KVM is something i would never do. I don't know if you worked in a computer repair shop, but having a workbench with so many keyboards is just not practical. Ofcourse, this also depends on how many persons are going to be working on it at the same time. Two people and you'll want 2 keyboards with 2 KVM's, etc. Just buy some extension cords for the keyboard/vga/mouse and you'll be fine.

    2. Re:Very first thing... by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      Check out Belkin's Enterprise line of KVMs. Hard to beat a daisy chain-able 2x16 ps2/USB KVM for $1000

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    3. Re:Very first thing... by SithLordOfLanc · · Score: 1

      When I was running a bench at a local shop, we would NEVER tell a customer that we fried their machine. If one of my techs zapped a video card, memory, CPU etc, it was just quietly replaced.

      Once one of the guys blew a K6 CPU. Only thing avail was a K62 and BIOS flash, I signed off on that and had the tech bill an extra half hour.

  36. The following is a good start.... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 1

    Rule 1, you can never have enough bench space. Get more of it.

    Without knowing exactly how much business you're doing, I'd look at fitting out with the following:

    - 4 x 17" CRT monitors. KVM's are nice and all, but there will be occasions they're just too painful to bugger around with.

    - Magnetic screwdriver set. Phillips, flathead and hex.

    - A good cordless drill. These do come in handy.

    - Assorted cable ties. I don't know about you but I'm fussy with my cable work in PC's, gotta keep things neat and a bunch of clear cable ties are a good way to start.

    - A day planner for the tech. Also, make sure he / she / you actually use it. It sounds like management speak, but they work well if you're as scatter-brained as I am.

    - A radio, or something that makes some music. Don't make people work in silence if they don't want to. Dead silence drives me bonkers.

    - Spindle of blank CD's and DVD's. Always keep a bunch of hand for backing up customers data they may or may not want. I made a habit out of backing up data even if people didn't ask for it. What the information is isn't any of your business, but there was a number of times people were quite thankful I'd backed their drive up and given it back to them in CD form as there was almost always something they forgot to get off before asking me to blow it all away.

    - Cleaning products. Glass cleaner, some cloths. I've come across computers that I simply couldn't bring myself to touch, you need to provide cleaning materials because one day you'll get them too.

    - Power splitters, laptop > ide adapters, USB floppy drive, etc... the usual stuff you never think you need until, well, you desperately need it.

  37. A naked woman... by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 2, Funny

    A naked woman on a work bench - that's how real men get "the job" done :-)

  38. Test Equipmet by skammie · · Score: 1

    Two or more good digital multimeters, one good O-scope, and a nice soldering station. A test system to test drives and memory is a must. Lose the CRT, switch to some flat panels. Nice screwdrivers only cost a little bit more, but your techs will appreciate them more. If you give them cheap tools that will break after a few months, the techs will get frustrated. Have at least two keyboards and mice on hand (1 USB set at least). Be sure to have a decent POST card on hand. I have seen them with PCI along one edge and ISA along the other edge. This helps point your techs in the right direction, and should help reduce time diagnosing.

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    1. Re:Test Equipmet by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      You probably won't need a scope at every station, just put it on a cart. Alternately, you might want to have one of these on every bench. That said, with bus speeds moving into the 400MHz range, it'll be hard to find an affordable scope that will trigger that fast.

      Me, I just stick with my 547, but then again, I'm not a real tech....

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  39. A variac by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 1

    across the AC to test the computer under brown-out and power surge conditions. (This is a joke for those of you who know what a variac is.)

    1. Re:A variac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello.

      Here in Spain we do know...

    2. Re:A variac by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      That's funny, I know exactly what a variac is, and I thought that testing brown-out conditions like that might not be such a bad idea. A typical PC SMPS should be able to work down to ~100V (in north america)

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  40. A POST Card by malraid · · Score: 1

    And list of common BIOS POST codes. One of the best tools ever in the trade

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    1. Re:A POST Card by Ageless+Stranger · · Score: 1

      What the heck is a post card? All google returns is postcards (the kind that need stamps).

    2. Re:A POST Card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A post card plugs into an expansion slot. during boot the system bios gives it's current status across the expansion bus. This boot status code can be read as two hexadecimal numbers. The post card will display these codes on an LED digital display as the system cycles through it's tests. If the system normally does not boot, the post card will tell you exactly where in the boot process the system failed. If it Fails on say (totally made up example) 2F, and you check the bios manufacturer's data sheet, you'd find that it failed while initializing video. These can get a bit more detailed than just beep codes.

    3. Re:A POST Card by Monx · · Score: 1

      POST = Power On Self Test
      A POST card translates those damned power-on beeps into English.

    4. Re:A POST Card by phrotoma · · Score: 1

      Definately a must have, I can't say how many times I've been pointed in the right direction by one of these little beauty's. What surprises me is how few people sell/use them.

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    5. Re:A POST Card by gnuorder · · Score: 1

      I've seen them at CompUSA lately and at a reasonable price. Not reasonable for what they are but reasonable for what people charge for them. Don't pay anything more than $50 and you may be able to find them as low as $20.

  41. Well, in reality by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    Shit boxes full of old cables, 386SX motherboards, 4M memory sticks, 14.4K modems, etc. Day-old coffee cups, half-full pop cans, overflowing ash trays, McDonalds wrappers...

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    1. Re:Well, in reality by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      if you ever run out, i can help you out restocking...

  42. quality digital MM by pbjones · · Score: 1

    buy a high quality digital multimeter, I recommend fluke, I have used them for 30 years and love 'em. a basic CRO is handy, but a CRO fast enough to work with modern computers is a waste of money. a Frequency counter is a better option. Serial port and ethernet tester. Good quality soldering tool, I like JBC, but we, the the service dept, also use basic Weller with the right tips, cheap and long lasting.

    You can try buy cheap, but you need stuff that is good and accurate. We buy a lot of major top brand second-hand via eBay.

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  43. Cleaning station by jimcooncat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Garbage in, garbage out! A dedicated cleaning station with a good vaccuum set and supplies cordoned off from your workbench area would be a first stop for every computer that came in your place. Keep your workbench area clean with a dust bunny containment room!

  44. That's easy.. by hhghghghh · · Score: 1

    a scantily-clad hoodcap-model.

  45. Essential Power by TechMarvel · · Score: 1

    Make sure you have a surge supressor and backup power supply.

  46. Stuff I' by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some things to consider -

    1)KVMs with both VGA and DVI in, and a DVI out to a flat panel hanging on the wall behind the bench.

    2) Big, scary Server PSU with a gazillion power connectors. Maybe two or three, and lots of extra molex connectors.

    3) A universal notebook PSU with all the lead attachments. You know someone's gonna drop off a stinkpad and not leave their power brick.

    4) A universal wall wart for powering troublesome peripherals that the owners neglected to bring the PSU for.

    5) Multimeter

    6) Nice soldering station, with adjustable temp and a variety of tips.

    7) Big, honking USB drive for emergency backups.

    8) Wireless Router with ethernet ports, and a gigabit hub to uplink to it, to test out networking ports, read Fark on company time.

    9) Electrical tape in three colors, duct tape in two, gaffer's tape, superglue and a hot-glue gun.

    10) Spare cables: USB in all its variations, ditto Firewire; Mini Din-8, DB9, DB25, Centronics and gender changers and adapters for all involved; PSU cords; Cat-5 patch cables, crossover cables; bluetooth mouse extenders, RJ-12 phone cords.

    11) A n00b intern willing to go look for a bluetooth mouse extender cable.

    12) A bluetooth mouse, to test bluetooth functionality.

    13) Ordered bins with commonly needed hardware (plastic washers, mounting studs, screws, etc.)

    14) Lotsa wireties in various sizes and colors.

    15) Professional grade anti-static setup your technicians won't bother to use, all the while rubbing their shoes on wool sweaters and playing with styrofoam.

    16: big magnifying glass on an articulated arm, preferable with a bright light.

    17: Pin vise, and one of those aligator-clip armatures. And a real bench vise, too.

    18: heat gun for heat-shrink connectors.

    19) Locking toolboxes assigned to each tech, inventoried in the morning and at night. You'll save a ton of money on tools. What goes in those boxes is another post in and of itself.

    SoupIsGood Food

    1. Re:Stuff I' by webmosher · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll bite.. what goes in that box?

  47. where's the bloody LavaLamp??!?! by andyr0ck · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    no, seriously. why has no-one listed it?

  48. re: desk rubbish... by Petersson · · Score: 1
    Well, on my desk is lot of things that used to be on desks of other people...

    Just kidding. In addition to above mentioned things, separate 12 V power source (home made) for fan testing, multimeter, small flashlight and huge copper CPU cooler as paperweight.

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  49. A open Window... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Open windows are much more cost effective than closed windows when you throw the crap out of it.

    1. Re:A open Window... by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

      But. I usually throw stuff AT Windows. Ooooh, those kind.
      Anyway. You need toys. lots of them. As much as you can balance on your monitor. I agree with the LCD monitors though. Mine will be here any day now. IT dept promised me 9 months ago.

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  50. depends on the application by Xochi77 · · Score: 1

    I dont think you can go wrong with the following:

    -inverted microscope and good objectives, maybe phase contrast or differential interference
    -single photon deep cooled fluorescence camera
    -femtosecond laser, diode array etc for confocal microscopy
    -fast digital CRO and waveform generator
    -patch clamp amplifier
    -good speakers, but no subwoofer, as it can cause blurring if you dont use an high quality air cusioned bench

    im developing optical, live neuron based bio computers, so i also need a standard molecular bio bench, cell culture bench, electronics bench aswell, but they are more standard. hope this helps

  51. 6X3 is plenty of room by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    going to a non standard custom bench size is silly.

    chuck that CRT for a LCD on the wall, get the techs a small sized keyboard with a trackball integrated for even more space savings. we also mounted a small shelf 6 inches from the desk surface that is only 6 inches deep to hold the soldering and desoldering stations the digital VM/Oscope as well as the other test gear. one dedicated PC with their testing software, a digital storage scope app that can go to 2ghz as well as a digital VM card in it plus other utilities solved all the problems. (Pic programmer, eeprom programmer ets all in the PC)

    pay less attention to desk space and more attention to upgrading your tech's equipment to something from this decade.

    6X3 is an enormous space (it had better be an ESD surface!) that if equipped with the right tools and ergonomics works very well.

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    1. Re:6X3 is plenty of room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any keyboard suggestions? Been trying to find a nice one with the trackball, but nothing but rubbish was found :(

    2. Re:6X3 is plenty of room by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      IBM. they have one for in a server rack that is perfect. Plus they feel hefty enough to kill people with. we bought ours from the IBM server rep no idea on model number but they are a replacement for their drawer mounted units.

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  52. KVM? by juventasone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While a kvm may sound like a grand idea, in practise it really isn't (or shouldn't be). When a system is busy scanning, installing, etc, you need know when its ready at a glance, anything else is wasting time. At our shop, we simply have a big 6-station bench. Each station has its own 15/17" CRT, keyboard, and mouse, and room for 1 or 2 towers.

    1. Re:KVM? by gnuorder · · Score: 1

      So you have 6 employees watching each of the monitors when you could only have one? The danger of one person with 6 keyboards, besides fatigue, is typing the wrong thing on the wrong keyboard.

      Anyone installing a large number of computers should use something like unattended which could even install XP headless after the first box goes through the install flawlessly. For virus scans and the like, they should have a report at the end or they are pretty much worthless. Some even have audio alerts when they are finished.

    2. Re:KVM? by juventasone · · Score: 1
      Uh no. Its one bench, all the monitors can be checked with the flick of one's pupils. I don't know how you can confuse keyboards when each station has the keyboard mounted in front the tower. Fatigue of occasionally moving between stations should be acceptable for anyone under 500 lbs and 80 years of age. Yes, automation and reports is the norm, but you still need to know when said task is done. An audio alert? Unless its set to emit constantly, or you're sitting around waiting for a beep, you're likely to miss it. Its always easiest to just glance. Simple.

      I'll agree that if you're running something en masse, like ghostcasting several identical systems, you need to start considering other means. I think the scope of this guy's question is like work we do, where you're doing individual jobs and building systems for home and small business.

  53. Available at your local hardware store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * Britney Spears;
    * A ball gag;
    * 10 litres of chicken grease;
    * A mop;
    * 3 stainless steel sky hooks;
    * 6 boxes of 4" holes;
    * 2-3 cups of Hydrogen;
    * Some HTML;
    * A copy of the next edition of 'PCs for Dummies';
    * (At least) 3 litres of green daylight; and
    * A tube of dark matter.

  54. 15" CRT??? by Angry_Admin · · Score: 1

    How about a bigger monitor???

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  55. Klein screwdrivers by dickens · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to truly love my Klein screwdriver. There it is right on the home page. Sniff.

    It made the Xcelite tools seem like toys.

    1. Re:Klein screwdrivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For whatever reason, www.kleintools.com is painfully slow for me right now...

      Anyway, I have a 10-in-1 Klein screwdriver that's great for most common screwdriving needs. With creativity, you can come up with more functions...mine is also a small hammer and a doorstop. ;)

    2. Re:Klein screwdrivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It made the Xcelite tools seem like toys.

      Because the Klein are very heavy. Toss four dozen tools in a box then tell me if you prefer to fly with Xcelite or Klein? You'll find guys that fly almost always have Xcelite. Different tools for different purposes.

    3. Re:Klein screwdrivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Klien makes OK drivers for electrical contractors, but for fine work check out a set of Wiha screwdrivers.

    4. Re:Klein screwdrivers by payr0k · · Score: 0

      Being a former electrician, I'll atest to the total awesomeness of Klien tools (except for the channel locks). A great and cheaper alternative however are the Stanely Vinyl Grip screwdrivers that cost about 20$ a set instead of almost 60$.

      Another item for the tech bench that no one has discused yet, anything for comfort. Make sure you have a good comfortable stool or if you prefer standing, a cushioned mat.

      Nothings worse than a sore back and sore feet at the end of the day.

      cheers

    5. Re:Klein screwdrivers by Nemi · · Score: 1
      There it is right on the home page.

      All I see are a bunch of boxes with Fancy F's in them...

    6. Re:Klein screwdrivers by ksp · · Score: 1

      And while you're at it, a really large Klein bottle for your tech bench drinks.

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    7. Re:Klein screwdrivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree! Klein screwdrivers are simply the best for this kind of work. They also work well if you are doing electrical work and cabling. The tips are a bit soft, but the tools still last for years.

  56. Band aids by rf0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Going by recent expierences expect to get a lot of cuts.

  57. desk mod by shortscruffydave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Install something around the edges to create a raised lip to stop screws and other small bits'n'bobs rolling off the bench and onto the floor

  58. What would I have on mine? by hattig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wouldn't bother with having a massively deep bench, maybe 2 foot deep.

    I'd wall-mount a couple of LCDs - nothing fancy of course.

    I'd have wells for various screw types, so they were always on hand.

    I'd have a bare component test bed, for component tests. Set it up with a working setup, then when you need to test a PSU, Motherboard, etc, just swap it into the working setup.

    Around 10000 plug sockets and a wall mounted 4 port switch. Also a wall mounted KVM?

    An area to queue up units for testing - a 'quick test' area and a 'long term repair' area too.

    A set of wall-mounted optics for easy access to spirits.

    A mini-fridge for various mixers for aforementioned spirits.

    Compressed air tank for cleaning dust out of cases, fans, etc.

    PS2 and USB keyboards. PS2 and USB mice. USB hub, Firewire hub.

    Music system.

  59. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by snookums · · Score: 4, Funny
    standardised personal tool harness for everybody. Power Screwdriver, small wrenches, bits, e-meter and maybe a headlamp/MiniMag with headstrap.

    What on Earth do you want an e-meter on there for?
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  60. Invaluable by BS405397 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to say that one of the most useful things I've gotten my hands on in a long time is an IDE to USB cable. It saves tons of time hooking up drives that aren't able to boot for one reason or another for data extraction. All that slaving to another system and rebooting gets old real fast, but I end up working on quite a few laptops. I'd also reccomend a hard drive duplicator/maintainence station. As far as tools go, everyone has their favorite for one stop shopping, but I prefer the Swiss Army Cybertool. It's way more useful than the model with a USB drive, and has nearly every commonly used PC maintenance tool I need, including a pin for reset buttons. A bit bulky, but I wouldn't be without it in my pocket. I don't know what type of KVM you use (USB or PS2), but I would also reccomend keeping a genuine opposite, read not using adapters, keyboard and mouse handy. Typically, I use PS2, but every now and then I get a system like a Compaq iPaq (the desktop not handheld) that only has USB, and doesn't work well with adapted PS2 devices.

  61. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it bad to have a 'wooden working surface, thick and well waxed, oiled and polished'? A laminate surface would require much less attention, be easier to clean and would not leave wax and oil crap on customer computers.

  62. Don't forget the proper attire! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    'cause no one will bug you or interrupt you if they think you're insane.

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  63. Everyone elses crap by mustafap · · Score: 1

    And it's bloody annoying.

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  64. Vid cards come to mind... by Rooked_One · · Score: 2, Informative
    how often do you hear that awful 3 beep'er? Lets say some PFY has decided to flash their 9800pro to an 9800XT but forked it up... I hate to be scandelous, but pop a PCI vid card in there, reflash it, and take that puppy to ebay and make another hundred bucks.

    Also, I *heard* through the grapevine that a supposed Geek Rescue cd is avaliable on some torrent sites. And i've also *heard* that what is on there is quite useful in many ways. I'm sure you already have a disk similar to this, but what i've *HEARD* about this cd is that it is pretty handy. ;P

    1. Re:Vid cards come to mind... by Rooked_One · · Score: 1
      i believe it is something like "[BEST BUY] Official Geek Squad MRI CD"

      I just woke up... what can I say...

  65. let's see... by pointbeing · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • one monitor, KVM switch and grounding mat per tech. suspend the monitors from the ceiling a little above eye level.
    • keyboards and mice in under-bench drawers for each tech.
    • two Gigabit Ethernet switches - one connected to the Internet, the other connected to a samba server in a sandbox.
    • a boatload of screws (both sizes), those nylon motherboard standoff thingies and fiber washers.
    • tools? those magnetic screwdrivers that Compaq used to give out with the replaceable bits are really nice. so are hemostats. and nut drivers.
    • couple spare hard drives and an IDE adapter for 2.5" drives for each workstation.
    • hardware disk duplicator.
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  66. FLESHLIGHT by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    all techies need a fleshlight and ample porn

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  67. Booting and power by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd definitely agree with the USB key/CDs.

    Much of the time spent fixing is in diagnosis. Having a selection of USB keys and CDs to boot into memcheck and Linux environments for analysis will be very useful. Also have a huge disk around with *everything* on it.

    You'll need power. Lots of power. Put a few mains sockets on the wall, and get a couple of big computer power supplies screwed to the wall with extra-long cables. Just make sure you have a means to turn them on and off- modern power supplies can be a pain in this respect. On the ATX ones, I recall you ground pin 10 to turn it on... but check this!

    I'd also say my Leatherman has fixed more than its fair share of VCRs and computers :-)

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    1. Re:Booting and power by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      I'd also say my Leatherman has fixed more than its fair share of VCRs and computers :-)

      I have a Leatherman Wave (20th Anniversary, not the 2004 version) and I just can't get on with it. Has anyone else tried the Gerber Legend 800?

      Leatherman have the brand recognition, but to my mind they aren't the best in the multitool market.

      On a side note, while looking up the link I noticed that Gerber have brought out a new model, so I'll be taking a look at that now instead of reading Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Booting and power by myov · · Score: 1

      UBCD and UBCD4win are your friends. I usually unpack the ISO's and add a bunch of other windows utilities, service packs, virus and spyware defs so that I have fewer CDs to carry around. (you never know when you'll have to fix something on dialup)

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  68. Cordless drill by nuggz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A cordless drill is better than a screwdriver.

    Other than the normal bits and pieces you already have, hopefully in bins what more do you need?

    1. Re:Cordless drill by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      But a cordless drill without an adjustable clutch is not worth the plastic it's made out of.

      If I have to see one more freakin' rounded phillips screw, I'm going to stab somebody with a screwdriver.

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    2. Re:Cordless drill by nuggz · · Score: 1

      My cheap ($30 CAN 14.4V) cordless drill has an adjustable clutch, levels, keyless chuck and 2 holders for double ended screwdriver bits.

      Not really much of a reason to not get all the toys.

    3. Re:Cordless drill by Quill_28 · · Score: 1

      You must have a clutch and the smaller and lighter the better.

      I had a cheap little cordless drill that worked great. Battery lasted, easy to work with, and easy on the arms.

    4. Re:Cordless drill by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      A cordless drill is better than a screwdriver.

      Only if you need it for drilling. Otherwise it's unnecessarily heavy and bulky, and very likely without low enough torque settings.
      Right now I probably put in and take out hundreds of screws in a day. They're all small screws.
      For this I use a Milwaukee 2.4V regular old electric screwdriver.
      It's smaller than a drill, so I can get it where I need it AND the battery alone for my drill weighs more than the whole screwdriver.

      Bear in mind this isn't a cheap POS screwdriver, it's properly sized for the job, and has two batteries, so I have one on charge at all times.

      I wouldn't think about using either of my two cordless drills on a #2 screw. They'd snap it off in a heart beat.

      If I was building a deck or doing drywall, sure, I'd use the drills, but for electronic devices with a bunch of #2 and #4 screws, no way.

      For working on my car, I just bought a nice IR air powered pistol grip screwdriver. Do not bring that one out in public :) Sure, I already had an impact gun and an air ratchet, but not everything needs than much torque.

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  69. tools for women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Leather wriststraps at the corners, make sure you get the 2" thick ones that are adjustable so you can get her really tight.

    2) Use the overhead bins for scented oils in your favorite flavors and small items like clothes pins and anal probes for testing.

    3) Hang a pot rack overhead for knives, whips, chains etc. It's a great turn on to have these things carressing her as she writhes in agony.

    Wow, imagine a Beowolf cluster of these!

  70. So you're a successful repair company by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

    and you don't know what tools you need? :D

  71. comfort for the techs, breadboard by Jaiden · · Score: 1

    Padded floor (big rubber mats). Padded barstools.

    A breadboard location. Eg, power supply on a wooden base with a strip of wood at one end to lift the motherboard so you can get cards plugged into it. kb/monitor/mouse for this location.

    Hair dryer. If you suspect an intermittent heat problem, you can target it

    Lots of light. swing arm lights, plus overhead.

    Stereo system

    Phone lines to test modems (what's a modem)

    Fire extinguishers.

    Lots of extra screws.

    Magnetic and non magnetic pickup tools

    don't worry about duplicating everything between stations, but DO duplicate the essentials. You don't need 4 volt meters, but everyone should know where ONE is.

    A spot OUTSIDE the shop floor to open up computers for customers with questions. No customers in shop!

    CRT's are right. LCD's suck for multiple res. I always liked having the CRT's up on a shelf at eye level.

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  72. Strippers by tommeke100 · · Score: 0

    female strippers that is!

  73. Requirements have changes over time. by pcjunky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It used to be that repairing computers involved electronics knowledge. You would need to troubleshoot down to the chip level and replace the bad component. Motherboards back a couple decades cost upwards of $500 to $1000 depending. A well equiped bench would have Multimeter, Oscope, Logic probe, Chip tester, eprom programmer (bios upgrades),

    Nowadays the motherboards (and most other pc components) use ASICs (aplication Specific Integrated Circuits). Even if you could troubleshoot down the that level replaceing them is very difficult (surface mount ICs mostly) and getting the parts just as tough. With motherboards costing only $80 to $200 it's not worth it. The one repair we still do is replacement of bad caps. These are a VERY common failure and are easy to spot (bulged tops). To unsolder these you will need a soldering station (irons don't get hot enough and aren't temp controlled) and a desoldering vacum station. The ground and PS PCB plains are so large they draw away mass amounts of heat when trieing desolder them. We generally have to use both the iron and the desoldering tool at the same time (one on the back of the baord, one on the front) in order to clean the cap lead holes. The caps? We get plenty of those from old/bad motherboards.

    Power supplies are another thing we sometimes repair. The thing that most often fails is the fan. Like to MB's the caps can fail here to, however these are much easer to desolder.

    A post diag card is helpfull to some degree but the best thing to have is lots of spare parts to swap. Old eqipment (486 and earler) is valuable for caps and fans. Allways salvage these parts before trashing.

    I find most tech work these days involves not hardware repair but software repair. Most of our time is spent getting rid of spyware and viruses and fixing OS screwups (frequently reinstalling windows). The key here is to be able to work on several machines at once because you spend a lot of time waiting for things to happen (virus/spyware scans, os installs). Have at least three hookups for machines so you can work on three at once.

    If you really want some test gear (machine that goes ping) for wow factor consider a used Oscope from ebay (~$100-$200). Analog is good enough here. I personally like HP test equipment here. You should be able to get a 100MHz or better scope for very little money. If nothing else they look impressive. A freind of my father used to have a sign in his office that read "If you can't dazzle them with brilance, baffle them with bullshit".

    1. Re:Requirements have changes over time. by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Salvaging caps is tricky - you have to be sure the donor MB wasn't from the period when the Taiwanese were making the bad electrolyte, and desoldering them may be more trouble than they're worth. Better to get new ESR caps.

      Also while HP is great for spectrum analyzers and other frequency-domain kit, Tektronix is the way to go for oscilloscopes. The Tek 465B is the best cost/performance mix unless you want storage, in which case a computer card is actually better for most purposes - analog storage scopes are great, but the tubes are delicate and all but irreplacable and the DSOs aren't available on eBay or from used vendors at a reasonable price. Also anybody getting their first scope should know to get new probes - no fewer than 3 and preferably 4, x1/x10 switchable with a decent set of tip hardware and a case for each. I believe Jameco has a decent budget model. Get the scope callibrated at least once. Also get the oscilloscope manual and a Tek book on oscope test setups from eBay - they're cheap on CD.

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  74. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by On+Call+OS · · Score: 1

    Plastic Pocket Protectors with full assortment of pencils and pens Alcohol with brushes

  75. Man oh man... by Ath · · Score: 0, Troll
    I really hate these types of postings. I actually get irritated that I take 3 seconds to read them...

    So irritated that I take another 30 seconds to vent my irritation.

  76. antiVirus Software : for install and resale by ayeco · · Score: 1

    Have plenty of Antivirus software availble that you can install and charge the client for.

  77. Tech Bench Musts by Pseudomaniac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    USB Floppy Drive
    USB NIC with XP recognized driver set
    BART PE CD
    Knoppix CD
    350 Watt or greater ATX power supply
    Digital Volt Meter
    Paperclip

    1. Re:Tech Bench Musts by sshoop · · Score: 1

      I just want to second the USB network device. That and a USB-thumb drive (with a Win9x driver on floppy) have saved me tons of time moving files around on older junk.

    2. Re:Tech Bench Musts by abb3w · · Score: 1
      USB Floppy Drive
      USB NIC with XP recognized driver set
      BART PE CD
      Knoppix CD

      USB CD Drive, for easy use of said boot CDs on more recent BIOSes.
      Self-powered (plug into the wall) USB Hub, to connect all your toys at once....

      I also haven't seen anyone mention the obvious basic NAT router. Even a cheapo model is usually good for safely patching up new installs on the bad days when you're not sure what viruses wandered in via random visiting laptop. A slightly higher-end model capable of MAC address capture is useful for unofficially hiding its presence from more facist Network groups. Leaving it unplugged and in a drawer when not in use also helps.

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  78. Something no one mentioned by e.coli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a grounding strap across the entire front of the workbench. Something you can touch whenever or lean into to disapate static.

  79. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

    Power screwstrippers should be outlawed for use on PCs. Horrible things. I never recommend a shop where I see them being used... The longest screw on a PC is about 6mm, and most are fine metric threads screwing into brass, aluminum or sheet metal.

  80. This was posted on the front page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just make sure it can run OS X x86

  81. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by giverson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently you haven't studied the history of psychiatry.

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  82. stuff by nitz7978 · · Score: 0

    no work bench is complete without a stripper pole and a stripper to dance around it. Just my opinion anyway.

  83. Anti-static Mats by Ed+Almos · · Score: 1

    Don't forget those anti-static mats and wrist straps.

    Ed Almos

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  84. Chainsaw by theufo · · Score: 1

    It saves those precious extra seconds when opening the case and keeps pesky users away.

  85. My previous employment by csirac · · Score: 1

    The workshop was compact but the main repair bench had 12 "stations", 6 stations on each side opposite each other. They had keyboard trays underneath them, and all cables (IEC mains, RJ45 LAN, telephone, VGA, keyboard) came up from the bottom through a hole about 50cm inward in a bundle for each station.

    This main bench was about 5 metres long.

    Running down the middle of the table from end to the other was a narrow shelf raised up about 30cm above the work area. It was actually a "double" shelf, a second sheet of MBF was raised another 5cm above the first. This 5cm gap held most of the power cabling and LCD PSUs.

    On top of the raised shelf sat 8x 15" LCDs - 6 down one side, and 2 on the opposite. One side was meant to be dedicated to desktop PCs, the other for laser printers and big 'ol servers.

    Our "stuff storage" was actually under the table, assorted into 50cm squar(ish) plastic bins.

    On a wall on the side of the bench that had the 6x LCDs, were the "in benches", which ran as long as the main bench. A whole wall with 4 levels of shelving. That was quite full a lot of the time... the out shelves were even bigger.

    The main bench was not against any walls of the room, so you could all the way around it but both ends of the main repair bench had a "wall" capping them off extending from the floor to the roof that we hung stuff off of (USB ethernet dongles, 2.5" IDE adapters, useful CDROMs (Knoppix ;), etc).

    Standing at the PC-repair side, the right-hand wall thing had yet another bench with a "station" - another 15" LCD, keyboard tray, LAN, etc. with a KVM that switched between four "wall-mounted" motherboards (fully functioning PCs - just with their bits screwed to the wall). These were used for testing faulty HDDs, antivirus scanning, data recovery, etc.

    There was another workbench dedicated to building and configuring PCs, but it only had one 15" LCD, keyboard tray, etc. on a KVM that could switch between four different PCs being "run up" from new. It was kind of cramped and only useful for doing the software side of things... actually building PCs ended up being done on the main repair bench anyway, but at a pinch these were used when room was scarce and the situation urgent.

    We also had compactuses, marvellous space efficient storage devices - shelves on tracks that can all slide up against each other or expended wherever you need to walk in and get something. These were used to hold components and cards and seldom-used things.

    We had a POST probe, but it was only really useful for writing something intelligent on an RA form for faulty motherboards - by the time you're pulling out a POST probe, chances are that knowing the BIOS halts at "DRAM cache init fail" is not going to help you make a physical repair to the motherboard...

    A word about the LAN at each repair station: We had cabling running to a linux box using a bunch of D-Link 4-port ethernet cards. I think we had a total of 14 10/100 ports on that thing. We set up each of the 8 repair bays that had an LCD and LAN on the main bench with its own subnet, and configured the firewall rules with fwbuilder. It worked great. I even set up transparent proxy caching with squid; although I had to create specific rules to allow the Microsoft Windows Updates to actually use the cache.

    Why did we firewall each repair bay individually to its own little subnet? Because we didn't want customer's PCs infecting each other with worms... I tried running snort and mrtd with the server's screen set to tail -f the appropriate logs but found if there actually was worm activity going crazy on 2 or 3 stations, it ate up all the RAM and CPU and things would crawl to a halt.

    Other LAN segments:
    - one with the 4x wall mounted PCs and a couple of file servers
    - one that had the 4x "new systems" bench stations and a couple of ports to our training room that was used for software trainings to our customers
    - one that contained PCs related to the running of the business (POS, j

  86. A sledgehammer by ceeam · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the sledgehammer!!

  87. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by randm.ca · · Score: 0

    13,545,370/807 = 16785 -- makes sense
    16785/3 = 5595 -- wtf is this for?

    You already used your "messages per account" number when dividing into the total number of messages, which (assuming 807 is the actual average number of posts per user) gives you the number of active users. So why do you then divide the result by 3? If you really want to work your "I have 3 accounts" value into your stupid-ass equations, try this:

    13,545,370/2421 = 5594.9
    5594.9 * 3 = 16784.8

  88. It depends on what kind of service you provide by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, it does.

    That said, my regular "tech bench" consists of a known-good CDROM, a *big* hard drive, a copy of BootIt NG which I use to make images of the "client"'s hard drives on said big hard drive before I go changing anything (yes, I could do it with Linux, but BootItNG is a lot easier in that respect, particularly if the host system doesn't support bootable CDs), a known-good PCI NIC and an Internet connection to use it with, a known-good modem, and a phone jack.

    On the software side, I keep a copy of System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/), which has MemTest+, Aida, FreeDOS, and a whole bunch of other bootdisks in its boot menu, as well as a bunch of really useful Linux tools such as gparted, QtParted, ClamAV, PartImage, etc..

    Oh, and all the stuff that should be obvious: wrist straps, grounding strips (make sure they actually connect to a ground and aren't just a long strip of metal), etc..

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  89. A Must-Have by 1251 · · Score: 0

    As I am a tech at a local shop, one thing (or, in my case, the 2 things) I cannot do without are my dedicated testing machines. Here are the specs of the main machine:

    • P4 2.4GHz
    • 512 DDR
    • 250GB HDD (IDE)
    • Promise SATA Controller
    • Adaptec SCSI-UW Controller
    • Dual Layer DVD-Burner
    • Windows XP Pro
    • AVG Anti-Virus
    • Ad-Aware, Spybot and SpywareBlaster
    • Easy Recovery Pro 6
    • Partition Magic 8.0
    • Some other software for the occassional need

    Audio is turned off, no modem - just video, LAN and the controllers.

    Shop-vac it about once every 3 months to keep it clean. Wipe and reload XP about every 6 months (it gets a bit messed up after cleaning a few hundred virus-ridden hard drives)

    --
    Age and treachery shall overcome youth and skill.
  90. Ultimate Boot CD by Throstur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked for a company doing warranty repairs for some major brands. Other people have mainly listed all the essentials you need, but there is one thing we used a lot which I notice noone has mentioned - the Ultimate Boot CD. I won't go into detail what's on it, but one of the tools we used most were all the hard disk diagnostics tools from all the HD manufacturers. It also has partitioning tools, memtest, virus scanners, and other tools. And best of all, it's free and 100% legal! I recommend it for any PC repair shop as it has saved me and my colleagues a lot of time.

    1. Re:Ultimate Boot CD by Throstur · · Score: 2

      Yes, I managed to forget the link - here it is: Ultimate Boot CD

  91. Don't forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally I'd make sure there was a decent stack of old Playboys, Hustlers etc for those moments when internet access is unavailable.

    1. Re:Don't forget by Intron · · Score: 1

      I was going to ask what happened to the Ridgid Tool calender.

      --
      Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
  92. Ask your employees by oniony · · Score: 1

    Surely the best placed people to know what is needed are the people using these desks. They know what's missing, they know what's not used, they know what would make their life easier.

    --

    Powered by onion juice.

  93. Mains power safety, etc. by csirac · · Score: 1

    I forgot to mention each IEC mains cable and each power point on the main repair bench was powered through a "lifeguard" personal mains power safety box. Thing. Although the earth-leakage detection on most modern mains circuits installed into your building will cause a trip at a certain threshold current on their own, these "personal" mains safety boxes (usually aimed at tradesmen with power-tools at a building site, I think) are designed to have a much lower threshold current and hence the theory is, that in some cases, it should prevent you from being zapped as bad (or as long) as you would just depending on the mains breaker for the entire circuit in that room.

    As for tooling: forgot to mention... we had another keyboard tray that was stowed conveniently under the new systems bench with cable test gear, mod connectors, and crimping tools along with some boxes of Cat-5e overhead on a shelf for quickly making cables on demand.

    The rest of our tools were pretty basic... a few nifty magnetic gadgets and tweezers for removing lost screws in the bowels of some $5,000 printer, a few multimetres, we also had some specialised stuff for troubleshooting some customer sites that used RS485 multi-drop networks, a whole assortment of adapters and cables... but nothing that stands out except: known working common computer bits for when you need a sanity check :-)

    If you ask me, the worst part was getting the other techs to keep the tool kits clean, vaguely sorted and free of junk... I don't know how many times I had to go outside and hunt for needle-nose pliers or cripming tool in on the floor of one of the work vehicles!

    On the rare occasions that you need them, some driver kits with the "weird" ends suitable for compaq, "security", and hex screws are extremely useful... keep in a safe place!

  94. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, I don't know which is more pathetic, the grandparent's sorry excuse of an "* is dying" troll or your failed attempt at correcting him.

  95. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by kfg · · Score: 1

    No plastics. They can hold a static charge. They are hard, noisy and slippery. Shit dropped on 'em bounces and slides around, assuming it doesn't break.

    Wood is quiet, shock absorbing, has a bit of friction to keep things in place and is antistatic.

    Wood is safer and just plain more pleasant to work on.

    An oil and wax surface gives it cleanability. I skip it where the customer will never see the surface, as it degrades some of the advantages of wood. A well oiled and waxed surface won't leave crap on anything. The downside is that requires a certain amount of maintenence.

    Laminate surfaces are low maintenence. They suck at everything else, including their supposed sanitation advantage. I don't even like them in my kitchen. They're for people who think that translucent icons are an advance in GUI technology.

    KFG

  96. Game controllers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh. A couple arcade style game controllers should do you well...

    OK seriously, CD rack/holders

  97. Testbench by quibbs0 · · Score: 1

    Testbench? Personally we have a monitor, a keyboard and a mouse. Nothing too fancy.

    On a good day there is space on that table for my beer.

  98. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    His numbers are off - its worse!

    He's including the AC posters (so remove half the 13,545,370 posts), so divide by 2 to give 7.25M

    He's including accounts that are no longer active (so remove 3/4 of the rest). This gives under 2m, but we'll say 2m

    Now, there's a difference between the MEDIAN and the AVERAGE. 1 active poster will make more posts than 100 mostly-inactive posters, so lets take me as a median for an active poster - +6000 posts (nowhere near some of the others, but wtf) - 2m/6k = 333 active posters.

    Lets face it, when half your posting is done by a core group of less than 400 ...

  99. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Craevenwulfe · · Score: 1

    Freezer Spray / Heat gun - for thermal stress Mantis scope - for magnification that doesn't make you go blind.
    NOT A RECTANGULAR 12 x 4 bench of whatever it is they got, if you're starting from the ground up, more thought should have gone into it.
    Allen keys
    Network cable which attaches to your Test network, thereby allowing you to flash harddrives on the bench, system test etc (ie. something like Ultra-x) or flashier just get the whole quick-tech pro card.
    Access to layout diagrams
    Too busy to think what else.

  100. TOC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    technician on chain

  101. suggest... by andrewweb · · Score: 1

    Knoppix LiveCD for starters...

  102. Knoppix holder by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
    Always have a designated place for your recovery and forensic live cds close by.

    I ship a LiveCD that fits the customers usage with almost every pc I repair. Next call, I can check the hardware by having the customer boot the cd, sometimes can walk them through repairing the MBR.

    Spread the Penguin
    ........Thta sounds alot worse than I thought.

    --
    OSGGFG - Open Source Gamers Guide to Free Games
  103. A vacuum by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    A vacuum - like a ShopVac - with a GOOD dust filter bag, and a GROUNDED, conductive intake nozzle - normal plastic nozzles are TERRIBLE ESD generators. A grounded nozzle to prevent zappage is a must. This way, instead of blowing OUT the dust bunnies and getting them all over, you can suck them up. You can also use this if you need to use a cut-off wheel to suck up the dust generated.

    An electric (but NOT cordless - they always have just enough charge for all but three of the screws) electric screwdriver with torque control - that way you won't be stripping the screws out when you put them back in.

    Ground mats, ground straps. wrist straps, a wrist strap checker (a little box you touch and it beeps if you have a proper 10Mohm resistance to ground - no beep, no ground. A red light turns on if you have too little resistance to ground to be safe.) A static discharging air blower (blows alternately positive and negatively charged air to dissipate charges on surfaces within a couple of seconds).

    Dry shop air supply (i.e. NOT with oil in it) with GROUNDED blow-off nozzle. Use this ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VACUUM!

    ESD jackets - it does no good to be grounded if your shirt charges up to 50kV!

    Network drop to a LOCAL server with updates for all the operating systems you will be using. Spare network cards and driver disks for systems which do not have network cards already.

    Ice cube tray - for putting case screws and other small parts in as you remove them. If you get in the habit of always starting with one cup, putting all the screws from one stage of disassembly in that cup, then moving to the next, you will have a great deal easier time reassembling.

  104. A MUST HAVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BAND-AIDS!!!!! What good is a brand new work bench if you are all woozy on the floor after a run in with a $10 case. =)

  105. my service bench by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a macintosh repair tech I probably have a little different spread of toys than many PC techs, but I suspect the basics will be much the same. Some items have been added after a moment of inspiration, and have made life a LOT easier.

    * A parts caddy. One is a large caddy, and is full of parts of course. Start out with one at least twice as big as you think you'll need, then add a second one later when you run out of space.

    * Another parts caddy. This should be a smaller one, with 36 small drawers. DO NOT put anything in this one, it's for service. This is a huge idea. When taking apart a laptop, each step of disassembly, pull out a drawer and put the parts/screws/etc in the drawer and set it on the bench to the side. Set them down in a row as you take apart the computer. This does three important things for you. First, it makes it unlikely that you will lose a part or try to put a screw in the wrong place. Second, you now have a distinct order in which to reassemble the computer so you don't put a panel back on and then realize you have to take it back off to attach a cable. Since you can't always count on having a service manual, especially for a laptop, this is very important. Third, all the parts for each assembly step are grouped together, which also helps prevent delays in reassembly and "hmm I have parts left over...". This is good for laptops and desktops, but the biggest benefit is really anytime you really have to tear something apart.

    * KVM or similar switch, to switch video between your service monitor and up to 3 other VGA sources. USB switchbox to switch your keyboard between your service machine and up to thee other computers. Four VGA/USB combo cables to run around with. Number them, and number your switchbox positions. Some people opt for the "tap shift three times" KVMs, but I personally prefer the good ol pushbuttons.

    * Tools. You can never have enough. I have particular need of my precision screwdriver set from Sears. It includes philips 0, 00, and 000 which are essential for laptops. It also comes with t5-t8 and small flatheads too. I also have a larger set of long handled philips 1 and 2, plus a set of large torx wrenches for t powermac g5's.

    * multimeter. Doesn't have to be an expensive one. You need to test voltage (BIOS batteries, power supplies) and continuity (is that wire good?) $15 from radio shack is fine.

    * firewire card in your service machine, and firewire enclosure, opened up, on your bench. This is for quick hookup and removal of drives for testing and repair, without having to reboot your machine. Another very "big idea", this will really help you. I *strongly* recommend a Granite Digital "FireView" bridge board, it has an LCD display and menu buttons and can be used to test a drive without even hooking it to a computer - extremely helpful and costs only about $100. Hard to find good diagnostic hardware of any type for that price. This will easily save you hours of frustration trying to track down a gremlin that ends up being a flakey or failing hard drive.

    * air compressor, and a place to use it. (outside) You will be thankful for this when a machine comes in that looks like it was fresh dug up out of the ground. You'll see the worst ones at least twice a month, and they will send up a huge brown cloud when you first hit them with the air. Make sure it does not have a tool oiler in line, (yes, I've seen that done to a computer, once) and it would be better still if someone knew how to empty the water drain valve occasionally.

    * cables and adapters. Like USB A-to-B, USB A-to-mini, firwire 6-6, 6-4, and 6-9. Parallel, maybe even some scsi (they come in handy from time to time). Serial, old and new style. Don't forget a DVI to VGA adapter (both ways!) because you will need them.

    * floppy drives. Definitely need a 1.44mb usb floppy, and should also try to have a zip-100 if at all possible. Zip 250 is optional but good. DVD burner also manditory, for data backups. Anything else probabl

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    1. Re:my service bench by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      "I...have never had a problem with static."

      You generally wouldn't know if you had. Most of the time giving CMOS a jolt just makes it unreliable and it fails later. In dry air with synthetic clothes, just shifting in your synthetic-upholstered chair will create several hundred volts. Seperating two materials which have become triboelectrically charged results in capacitive voltage multiplication by the square of the seperation.

      --
      "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
    2. Re:my service bench by v1 · · Score: 1

      Hard to say for sure. I know I work on all my own hardware and have been working with mos and cmos down to chip assembly for better than what... well, working with electronics in general for over 25 years so before mos/cmos was even around, and never popped a chip, never had a chip fail later either. Ya if you're reckless you'll zap something but it takes a lot less paranoia to protect against most static issues than a lot of people realize.

      It's like the people that are afraid to drive their car up a curb. OK maybe there is a remote risk, but good lord man, loosen up a little.

      --
      I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
  106. Coffee Maker by parasonic · · Score: 0, Funny

    Gah! Why hasn't someone mentioned it yet? You absolutely have to have a coffee maker. It comes right after the Knoppix disc but before the binary clock. Shoot, I'm standing at our bench on Knoppix with a coffee maker between the machine that I'm on and the one that I'm installing OpenBSD on. Coffee maker is definitely a must-have.

  107. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Craevenwulfe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I report a shop that doesn't have them for poor H&S, causing RSI injuries for their staff due to cheapness.

  108. Power screwdrivers by Monx · · Score: 1

    Power screwstrippers should be outlawed for use on PCs.

    Adjustable torque power screwdrivers are a must if you're going to be handling any decent volume. At the lowest torque setting, you'll have a hard time getting the screws tight, much less stripping them. You'd be more likely to strip the screws by hand. The amount of time you'll save using one is substantial -- particularly if the reverse switch is easy to operate one-handed. These tools will also cut down on discomfort that can occur from operating a manual screwdriver all day.

    1. Re:Power screwdrivers by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      You still have to thread the screw manually before hitting it with power. Else you'll almost certainly cross-thread the screw. For a 6mm screw, it doesn't take much to finish the job once you've threaded it.

      Precision screwdrivers, when used properly, eliminate the need to do the wrist-work with the screws. Regular screwdrivers or sockets are good for losening up the screws.

      On that note, a set of taps and extractors for fixing cross-threaded screws and holes might not be a bad addition to a tool crib in a PC repair shop.

  109. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by bernywork · · Score: 3, Funny

    Double checking their answers while they fill out the questionaire before you start work on their PC?

    From: http://lotl.cc/humor.xs

    1. Describe your problem:
    2. Now, describe the problem accurately:
    3. Speculate wildly about the cause of the problem:
    4. Problem Severity:

          1. Minor __
          2. Minor __
          3. Minor __
          4. Trivial __

    5. Nature of the problem:
          1. Locked Up __
          2. Frozen __
          3. Hung __
          4. Strange Smell __
    6. Is Your Computer Plugged In? Yes_____ No______
    7. Is It Turned On? Yes_____ No_____
    8. Have you tried to fix it yourself? Yes_____ No_____
    9. Have you made it worse? Yes_____ No_____
    10. Have you had a "friend" who "Knows all about computers" try to fix it for you? Yes_____ No_____
    11. Did they make it worse? Yes_____ No_____
    12. Have you read the manual? Yes_____ No_____
    13. Are you sure you've read the manual? Yes_____ No_____
    14. Are you absolutely certain you've read the manual? Yes_____ No_____
    15. If you read the manual, do you think you understood it? Yes_____ No_____
    16. If 'yes', then explain why you can't fix the problem yourself?
    17. What were you doing with your computer at the time the problem occurred?
    18. If you answered 'nothing' then explain why you were logged in?
    19. Are you sure you aren't imagining the problem? Yes_____ No_____
    20. Does the clock on your home VCR blink 12:00? Yes_____ What's a VCR? _____
    21. Do you have a copy of 'PCs for Dummies'? Yes_____ No_____
    22. Do you have any independent witnesses to the problem? Yes_____ No_____
    23. Do you have any electronics products that DO work? Yes_____ No_____
    24. Is there anyone else you could blame this problem on? Yes_____ No_____
    25. Have you given the machine a good whack on the top? Yes_____ No_____
    26. Is the machine on fire? Yes_____ No_____ Not Yet_____
    27. Can you do something else instead of bothering me? Yes_____ No_____

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  110. Okay, here's what you need by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Run a piece of angle iron along the front of the bench. Ground the angle iron with 10 or 12 awg wire. Touch this frequently and forget about those PITA straps. Or attach your strap to it if you're a paranoid numpty. ;)

    2. Grab some anti-static mats. Screw them into your workbench. This will help you avoid scratching the customer's equipment, and if you ground them, further mitigate accidental ESD.

    3. Make sure your floor isn't a friggin' carpet. If it is, lay some laminate floor over it.

    4. A shelf for monitors. You want a monitor ever 3.5 feet or so.

    5. A couple of "test beds", matching your most common configs. These are easy to make. Take the removable part of a case that the motherboard bolts up to, bolt a motherboard to it. Grab a piece of MDF. Bolt the case back to the MDF, and then bolt a harddrive, CD-ROM, and floppy disk to it. You can put this away and take it out easily, and it won't succomb to the "oh I'll just use this..." syndrome so easily.

    6. A network jack and a phone jack for each monitor (or more).

    7. An internet-connected PC with a floppy drive and a CD-Burner.

    There, you'll all done. Assuming you have a shelf full of spares, you can fix anything -- safely and quickly.

    --

    Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    1. Re:Okay, here's what you need by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      If you short something to that angle iron it's going to fry lots of things. Not to mention zapping you pretty good if you touch a live wire at 120 volts while leaning on it.

      Put a resistor in the ground line. At least a hundred kiloohm. Doesn't have to be high wattage, anything will do.

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    2. Re:Okay, here's what you need by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      If you short something to that angle iron it's going to fry lots of things. Not to mention zapping you pretty good if you touch a live wire at 120 volts while leaning on it. Put a resistor in the ground line. At least a hundred kiloohm. Doesn't have to be high wattage, anything will do.

      Really, this is exactly what ESD mats are for. Even if he puts a resistor to ground on the bar, it won't prevent the bar from shorting circuits on a PCB to each other, thereby frying whatever touches it.

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  111. A few things we use by hivemind_mvgc · · Score: 1
    1. Make sure your KVM has USB ports. Lots of new machines (especially new Dells) don't have any PS2 ports for mouse/keyboard.

    2. We have a couple external enclosures for HDDs, one for laptop drives and one for desktop drives, ATA and SATA. These are really handy for fast data recovery from corrupted or damaged drives.

    3. USB keychain/thumb/jump/whateveryouwannacallthem drive. These are really handy for getting drivers from machine to machine.

    4. A label maker. Or a Sharpie and tape. Something to label all the containers you're going to accumulate.

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  112. Flush Mounted Rack Mount Power Strips by braek · · Score: 1

    What we did is cut a rectangular hole in the bench, then flushmount these
    http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?prod uctID=199
    vertically into the bench. You can never have enough power outlets, right? :)

  113. Lots of hard drive space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You never know when you'll have to back up someones 40+gigs of pron. That'd take forever to backup to CD/DVD...

  114. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by shawng · · Score: 0

    Not very scientific. Just because you have 3 accounts doesn't mean that everyone does. Just because you posted 2421 comments doesn't mean that that is the average.

  115. AN ERASER! by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, seriously! Go to your local Staples, and buy a bag of those big, pink, school erasers.

    They work WONDERS for cleaning contacts -- RAM contacts, AGP, PCI, etc.

    I learned this from an electronics engineer. I've taken *MANY* RAM chips that failed memtest, cleaned them off with the eraser, put them back, and voila! Never seen again.

    I don't know how it works or what it is that does it, but erasers remove corrosion from copper.

    1. Re:AN ERASER! by dpaton.net · · Score: 3, Informative



      This is less than stellar. First off, if you actually see copper on RAM, AGP, PCI or any other edge card connector something is seriously f'd up.

      Edge cards are plated with tin/(lead)/nickel, or (90% of the time) gold. Gold is used because it doens't really oxidize, and if for some reason it does develop a microscopic layer of oxide, it's conductive and friendly.

      Any gook on the edge connector is the result of something else touching it. Kimwipes and alcohol would relaly be the best way to remedy this problem. If the item in question (like a known good vid card or DIMM or whatever) is removed and inserted a lot, the gold will wear. It's awesome for conductivity, but it's still soft. Treat it with care. If it's inserted and removed from a contact that doens't use gold plated fingers, you'll not only get wear, but you'll get oxide buildup from that other metal. This also applies to non-gold edge connectors into gold fingered sockets.

      Gold goes with gold, and nothing else, if you have any option at all.

      Clean with alcohol (97%) and some kind of chemical safe lab wipe (like Kimwipes). Use dry abrasives like erasers as a LAST RESORT. Your parts will thank you by giving you long and happy lives.

      </EE hat>

      And yes, I do remember the days of fixing flaky Apple //e's by dropping them 12" onto the table to reseat the cards and bump the oxidized fingers a mil or two. I also still shudder in horror every time I remember it.

      Be nice to your electronics.

      -dave

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    2. Re:AN ERASER! by bxbaser · · Score: 1

      ummm every other post on slashdot talks of static electricity.
      maybe have a look here to see if rubbing an eraser on an electrical item is a good thing to do.
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore& q=define:Static+electricity

    3. Re:AN ERASER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're absolutely right!

      I've used erasers myself. Though I always favored erasers on pencils since they had a longer reach and were easier to control.

      On the other hand, I haven't seen oxidation problems show up since that little issue with the socketted ROMs on my Apple II+ back in 1984.

      These days everything is gold plated, or plated in other alloys that tend to resist oxidization. Along with being much more sensitive to static than that old TTL logic.

      So if there is a problem, I'm more likely to need a soldering iron than an eraser. And an eraser could very easily fry whatever I'm trying to fix...

    4. Re:AN ERASER! by runderwo · · Score: 1
      I don't know how it works or what it is that does it, but erasers remove corrosion from copper.
      No, erasers remove 'shit' from contacts. So does solvent and a wipe. BTW, your RAM stick contacts are not copper plated, it is either tin or gold.
    5. Re:AN ERASER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And promptly cover all those lovely, conductive, gold-plated strips with... Rubber. The world's most electrically conductive substance.

    6. Re:AN ERASER! by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Oxidation, mostly the grunge built up on ppls pc's is due to
      something in the air be it what they grow in their house, smoke
      in their house, incense they burn or whatever .

      This "stuff" can build up on the connectors .

      Some techs I have known simply remove and replace the item
      repeatedly to remove the material .

      The charging port on my cell phone is frequently funked from being
      in my pocket and makes poor contact when trying to charge .

      pocket lint is the culprit .

      Like the EE said, try so low/no abrasive cleaner, and use the eraser
      as last resort for stubborn funk .

      In the telecom word for T1 plugs ppl would plug/unplug them in
      rapid succession to achieve better conductivity .

      Edge cards are delicate, and do ground urself while doing this .

      Old relays use to be cleaned with nail files, lol .

      Peace,
      Ex-MislTech

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    7. Re:AN ERASER! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Which reminds me, another of my Odd Tools for PC Tinkers is one of the punch-outs from a cheap case's card slot. The curl on the raw edge is just right for serious scraping on VGA pins that have become corroded. Thus I've restored full colour to several monitors that had decided the world was only pink or green. (Wire brush sounds more civilized, but doesn't scrape 'em well enough.)

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    8. Re:AN ERASER! by anticypher · · Score: 1

      Also puts EE hat on.

      Everything Dave says, and a little more clarification.

      My studies many moons ago were on electromigration and bi-metallic corrosion. There are three common types of edge connectors, gold alloys, beryllium-copper alloys, and tin-nickel alloys. Gold and Be-Cu have a golden hue, Sn-Ni look silvery. Putting one type of alloy in contact with another and passing a current through it will lead to an eventual failure of the contact.

      When you must clean edge connectors, by all means use kimwipes and IPA (Iso-Propyl Alcohol). If you can get your hands on it, 1,1,1-TFE is the best for stripping off gunk, but its been outlawed because its really bad for the environment.

      As a last resort for cleaning connectors, don't use a pink eraser, but a white one. The pink erasers are rubber vulcanised with sulfur compounds, and are quite acidic. Pink erasers also contain a high percentage of abrasive compounds, like pumice, which will tear microscopic channels through the plating and expose the base metal underneath. The sulfur which remains on the contacts will cause more problems 3-6 months down the road than if you left things dirty. Even on gold-plated contacts, the sulfur compounds will get underneath the plating and destroy the metal, and it all disappears. If you suspect someone used a pink eraser on contacts, wipe them with a soapy kimwipe (to neutralise the acids) and rinse clean with IPA.

      The white drafting erasers are not a rubber compound, but vinyl, and the most radical (i.e. corrosive or reactive) chemicals are chlorine based. These are much less damaging than a pink eraser. Do yourself a favor and remove all pink erasers from your company, replacing them with white PVC erasers. This will give your repairs a chance of lasting more than 6 months. Of course, you may want to be unethical and have many returns down the road.

      the AC

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    9. Re:AN ERASER! by dpaton.net · · Score: 1

      AC nails the details I left out. The sulphur deposition by your favorite Pink Pearl, especially on Be-Cu and Sn-Ni alloys, is not limited to the time of contact. The microscopic particles left behind continue to etch the plating until it's gone, leaving bare copper ready to oxidize and corrode. Bad news. Pure gold is relatively inert, but the PCB industry doesn't use pure gold. They use an alloy, closer to 14k-18k, to make sure the gold isn't so soft it comes off after a few insertion cycles, so it's vulnerable to a few kinds of oxidation and the above mentioned bi-metallic corrosion. For instance, never use a beryllium compound up against a nickel compound. Over time, they will not only oxidize each other something fierce, but will also mutally destroy the other's plating. I very rarely see Be-Cu plating on any of the comsumer-electronics-bound products that come across my desk. That coating is usually reserved for places where it is only used with gold or Be- fingered contacts (and is rarely seen in the industrial space in which I now play).

      Don't get me started on the changes being driven by the lead-free initiatives. They're driving some of the metallurgists nearby a little bit crazy. Lead is a very nice material to help join all the platings, coatings, and layers of metal together. It's unfortunate it's so bad for our little blue marble.

      Regarding the nice PVC erasers, by all means use them, but be careful what you set them down on. The chlorides involved will melt some kinds of plastic, and leave lasting marks. Ask me how I know.

      -dave

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  116. Important additions by lheal · · Score: 1
    • Tilted shelf above the bench with document clip, and a lip to hold a pen or a book.
    • channel in the front of the bench to catch rolling screws
    • 4 RJ-45 ports on the wall at each area, connected to a patch panel on the wall near the bench. A gigabit switch with more ports "than you'll ever need", because you always need more.
    • Power supply with 120VAC, 5VDC and 12VDC outputs. UPS for the whole thing, unless you've got one for the whole building.
    • If you get done and the plan calls for anything to be stored on the bench surface, you're not done.
    • Tap and dye set, for those times when you strip a screw or hole.
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  117. The essential of desktop repair by 2old2rock2young2die · · Score: 1

    Fascinating topic with lots of helpful posts. I have a light/magnifier on a compound swivel. The light is a fluorescent ring around an 8-inch diameter magnifier. Useful for delicate two-hand jobs. Useful for seeing "into" a box and reading mobo ids and switch settings. More comfortable than a head light and magnifier. Also have several anti-static mats (like shipped with some mobos) that I use to keep things steady and cushioned while they are worked on. It also works well to keep those one-of-a-kind screws from bouncing onto the floor. Also always have several small compartmented see-through boxes available. Use them to hold small parts, screws, etc. for each separate project.

  118. POST card by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    An absolute necessity is a POST card or two. Instead of highly vendor dependent beep codes, suddenly you have an LCD readout with useful information.

    Now, if only standard PCs supported serial console access to BIOS, boot loader, *and* OS....

  119. Needed tools by siliconwafer · · Score: 1

    - Oscilloscope
    - Logic Analyzer
    - Power Supply
    - Function Generator
    - DMM (Digital Multimeter)

  120. Tech bench by mculpepper · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where I work there are 5 techs and everyone of course has a better idea. First what will the owner or boss allow, if cost is an issue. 90% of everything on my bench I purchased, the bench it's self I found in a back room full of junk, pulled it out and came in on my own time and put togather. My most important tool I feel is my data recovery system which is not more than a all in one Abit board mounted on a plywood board. Easy access to replace drives and even install pci cards if needed. I can not tell you how many times a week I use it to recover and or backup data from a customers computer or scan for virus's. It is mounted on my bench, above and out of the way. I bought the board and got a used cpu from the many junk systems we get stuck with every year. I went with the KV-80 model which has onboard everything including SATA. It runs Windows 2000 Pro for the OS and has an 80 gig hard drive, with a usb external backup drive. As for the rest of my tools, the usual diag Microscope 2000 and any other software I can find, multi meter, small set screw drivers Bench has on monitor with a 4 port KVM switch. Keyboard is mounter under the bench, so as to not take us space on the bench surface. One of our techs is a wiz at making CD bootable diag disk. I must admit, each bench here is different but each tech can work on 3 computers or more at a time, and it happens from time to time. So you can imagine our benchs are much bigger than the one you have.

  121. depends what you work on by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    when i used to to this for a living i used a ground strap when working on laptops. prior to that, maybe 1 in 15 i opened had some possible ESD damage. afterwards, none. it certainly doesn't happen everytime but sod's law says when you don't do it, if you work with enough sensitive components, something will die/degrade when you're working on it due to ESD.

  122. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be a real tech: Use a Utilikilt (http://www.utilikilts.com/)

  123. Can it be... by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 1

    ...that no one has said breasts?

    Maybe /. is dying.

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  124. Imperative item. by ChrisF79 · · Score: 1

    No computer tech bench would be complete without a ridiculously sized bucket of screws, completely unsorted, and filled up so high that they routinely spill over. At least that was the case with the three different stores where I've worked in the past.

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    1. Re:Imperative item. by 2old2rock2young2die · · Score: 1

      Remember to throw in some misc. sharp pieces of metal that fell out of something at some point and that may be useful for something at some point in some alternate universe.

  125. ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    very smart. kills the static, also may kill you if you touch a hot rail in the PSU, or the PSU's faulty and shorting to ground. an ESD will ground you, but more importantly it WON'T PUT YOU IN THE GROUND if you get mains voltage between you and the earth due to the high resistance in the ESD lead.

    1. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      kills the static, also may kill you if you touch a hot rail in the PSU, or the PSU's faulty and shorting to ground.
      Ok...let's stop and think about this.
      If the PSU is faulty and is shorting to ground, then as soon as you plug it into the wall it's going to blow the fuse/breaker for the outlet, so no power to kill you with.
      If you mean the 12V supply is shorting to ground, then one of two things is going to happen:
      1. The power supply detects the short (they are built to do this, you know) and shuts down, so no power to kill you with.
      2. It's a cheap power supply that doesn't detect, and you get 12 volt on the outside of the case. Oooh, wow. Ever grab both terminals on a car battery? Try it some time. You won't feel a thing.

      If you're touching a hot rail in the PSU, then you're a stupid shit in the first place. Once you remove the case cover, the PSU is still inside it's own steel case. Typically you have to remove the PSU from the machine in order to open this case, and if you've still got it plugged in after all that, you should probably be dead, because your brain already is.
      If you open the computer case, and notice the gaping hole in the side of the PSU, because somebody removed the side of the PSU cover previously, and still keep working on it with it plugged in.....well, take a look at my previous comment.
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    2. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1


      2. It's a cheap power supply that doesn't detect, and you get 12 volt on the outside of the case. Oooh, wow. Ever grab both terminals on a car battery? Try it some time. You won't feel a thing.

      Yes, but put one finger on the positive side of the coil (the 12V input), lick your other finger and put it on the negative terminal of the battery. You get a nice tingling sensation, also you now know that the circuit between the positive terminal of the battery and the coil is good.
      <Threadjack>

      Yes, those straps are worthless, you've got enough metal in the case, which you are going to be touching enough to keep you grounded, unles you are doing something dumb like working on a dry carpet in sneakers and shuffling your feet.
      As for Mr. The PSU Will Kill You; come off it, that PSU would either have to modified to hell and back, or god just has it in for you. Besides which, isn't the first thing, most of us do when working on the innards of a computer, especially the farking power supply, is unplug the computer! If you're yanking a video card, or your screwed up power supply, you should really have the computer unplugged from the wall. I've never blown a card via static electricity; I have, however, blown a card by poping it out of it's socket while the system was running. (Not my fault, honestly, the jerk off who'd worked on the system before me didn't secure the cards, so when I plugged a cable in, I pushed it just wrong and poped the card out)

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    3. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, but put one finger on the positive side of the coil (the 12V input), lick your other finger and put it on the negative terminal of the battery. You get a nice tingling sensation, also you now know that the circuit between the positive terminal of the battery and the coil is good.
      That's not 12V from the battery you're feeling. That a higher voltage induced from the ignition coil.

      When you have DC flowing through a high-impedance coil, there's a static magnetic field formed around the coil. Remove the DC supply, and the rapid collapse of this field induces a current in the coil flowing in the opposite direction from the original DC input.

      This is the principle by which your car ignition system works. The ignition coil doesn't have a constant current to it. Voltage is applied, builds up the magnetic field, and when it's time to spark the plug, the voltage is removed, and the collapsing field generates one hell of a high voltage across the secondary side of the ignition coil, which is typically many times the impedance of the primary side.

      You're feeling a little tingle of maybe 50 volts and a few milliamps on the primary side by doing what you describe. The secondary side has a voltage between 25,000 and 80,000, depending on the ignition system, but with only microamps of current available. That's why if you grab a spark plug lead when the engine's running, you feel quite the belt, but it doesn't do any damage. Not enough current.
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    4. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 1
      Your post makes little sense. Do you mean that there is a shock hazard from the case?

      Why do you think PC cases (and most other metal encased electric appliances) are earthed? If the live wire should for some reason get shorted to the case, your circuit breaker will simply trip.

      A huge part of our society is based on electric power. People should at least try and learn the basics.

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    5. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Wow, learn something new everyday, thank you.
      As for the spark plug hitting you, ya it's a hell of a jolt. Never let your finger get to the metal part of the pliers while balance testing and engine, it's fun once, but I'd never do it on purpose.

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    6. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1
      Wow, learn something new everyday, thank you.
      Glad to be a help. My friends say I'd be such a geek if I wasn't a car nut and a musician, too! :)

      Comes with growing up on a farm. It was a 1/2 hour drive to any town of reasonable size, so whenever something broke, we would fix it ourselves.
      As a result, I'd rebuilt engines before I could legally drive. Engines, brakes, hydraulic systems, transmissions....you name it, I've probably worked on it. Then I bought a computer when I went to university, and decided to apply the same philosophy to that:

      If it isn't broken, take it apart anyway!! :)
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    7. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by SupremeTaco · · Score: 1

      Why unplug the computer? Isn't that what's giving you the ground connection anyway? Just make sure you turn it off. As long as the box is plugged in, you've got a good path to ground.

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    8. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      that's not the point. *you* are earthed. any stray high voltage you touch inside the case (which is not likely, but *is* possible, whether it's due to a fault or not) will flow across you to earth. bang. it's not a shock hazard from the case, it's a shock hazard from a stray live that earths through you and/or the case.

    9. Re:ah yes, grounding yourself on the case by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      That is why I wear rubber boots, electrician's gloves, and a rubber apron whenever I work on PCs. I also keep one hand in my pocket at all times...

      Using this technique I've never blown any electrical gear or become part of the electrical circuit. Of course, my mean time to repair sux...

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  126. do you do network by chrisnewbie · · Score: 2

    -One 8 port switch or router so you either update your pc there or configure small network if it applies.
    -screw containers
    -tool rack for screwdriver (damn compaq)
    -tie-raps by the thousand
    -cofee was previously mentioned
    -two or more power bars with wires already there so you dont always ahve to unwrap them from the new cases.
    -wheels on your workbench with a removable power source so your not limited to that work area.
    -One weird toy to say "hey it's my workplace"
    -One list of thing you dont do
    -Another list for things you do only if a 20$ bill accidentally fall into the specially designed drop box on the side of your workbench.

  127. Several things... by Shads · · Score: 1

    ... 2 KVM, 2 19" LCD, wireless kb/mouse for KVM, ethernet hub, a small file server, cd server, a set of restore disks for whatever computers you use, ghost cds, knoppix cd, "drivers and utilities" cd, antistatic top, grounding strap connections, diagnostic equipment, etc

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  128. Tools at my bench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found the following indispensable:

    - USB NIC w/driver disc
    - Wire cutters
    - Bart PE disc
    - Spare everythings
    - USB Key

  129. Cabling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suggestion for the cabling, run a power strip across the whole bench, and terminate it at a UPS.
    Also for the net connections, run 3 cables per connection point
    1)LAN
    2) Internet(seperate from the lan)
    3)telephone/modem

    they'll come in handy

    1. Re:Cabling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as long as you don't plug a surge protector into a UPS. That's a good way to create lots of smoke. UPS is always last on the chain.

  130. Phone headset! Yes!! by HWheel · · Score: 1

    A phone headset really improved my productivity. Now I have both hands free and can wait while on hold and people find information and such.

  131. one problem by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    LCDs have a tighter range of refresh rates they'll deal with. i discovered this when I used to build nforce2-based systems. during install of the graphics driver, they default to a refresh rate my philips 150P can't display. during original boot, they default to a refresh rate my crappy test monitor can't display. result? every build, I had to swap the monitor post driver install! it took me some time to work out the black screen post install wasn't actually a driver fault...
    moral? if you go LCD, get one that supports as wide a range of refresh rates/resolutions as possible as otherwise you'll be lugging the CRT in regularly. for antistatic, get a benchtop grounding mat and permanently ground the whole shebang. it's cheap to do and *will* eventually save an expensive mishap.

  132. Paperclips... by vspazv · · Score: 1

    Lots of paperclips. You will use them more than most other tools on your bench.

    Also, a USB/Firewire drive enclosure is very helpful.

  133. Wiebe Tech Drive Docks by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    These toys allow you to take a 3.5" or a 2.5" drive and use it externally via USB or FireWire. It's been useful to me in my existance as a bench tech.

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  134. Curved Hemostats by Ann+Elk · · Score: 1

    Perfect for reaching into dark recesses to retrieve dropped screws/nuts/whatever.

  135. Never use a vacuum cleaner! by Seng · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They can build up static so quick you'll kill more machines than you'd ever imagine! It's the dust moving across the hose builds up static charges quickly.

    1. Re:Never use a vacuum cleaner! by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Simple. Use one of the older ones with the stainless steel tube on the end of the hose, and ground the tube with a wire.

      Problem solved.

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    2. Re:Never use a vacuum cleaner! by VoidWraith · · Score: 1

      There are vacuums made for this sort of application that create no static electricity. I believe a line is called "Data Mate" or something. Anyway, they exist.

  136. Work bench? What's that? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

    I have a monitor on a 2'x3' table. The table is covered in CDs/DVDs and other things. The computer goes flat on the living room floor and is hooked up to a KVM switch so I don't have to disconect my regular system. All power goes through a 10 plug surge protector I have.

    That's about it. Any cables/screwdrivers/supplies I need I keep in two toatlockers in my room. It's worked for me for years.

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  137. tweezers. by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

    Forgot about that. Will save you endless frustration when trying to remove/ change jumpers.

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  138. Microsoft Security CD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft Security CD!

  139. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by yellowdragon · · Score: 1

    The e-meter is to audit the 'puter in order to get rid of the 'puter thetans. Masses of thetans stuck to it or themselves... Wogs call them dust bunnies... ;)

  140. workbench decoys by vidbot · · Score: 1

    In high traffic areas, even if they are secure there are always those who admire fine tool and utilities. I always kept what I called decoy tools about on the bench while my good set of precision tools lay in a recessed drawer under the counter out of site of the passerbys. I have also always kept on of those small zipper case
    for my personal faves.

  141. Embedded Systems Workbench by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

    1. Laptop
    2. 10 port switch
    3. JTAG debugger
    4. Programmable power supply
    5. HP Logic Analyzer that was probably made before I was born
    6. Scope from the Ming Dynasty (the guys I work with like to hang on to old stuff)

  142. Talent.... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    I assume you already have this, but a lot of places don't:

    A technician who knows WTF they're doing!!

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  143. workbench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amidiags ( yes i still like it) wireless connection, tools are a given, vacuum is a given, canned air or an air compressor is a given. perhaps a firewire bay on a tech pc that will take ide hard drives, mounted power strips, nav or something of the sort on the tech pc to do vrius scans over the network. known good hardware is a given. adjustable lamps is also a given. As far as monitors go, i'd have more than one if you have more than one tech working. KVMs are annoying. 17" lcds are what 220 bucks? if you are going to outfit the whole bench with whatever it is you want, why scrimp on what you'll be staring at most? Just make sure at least one of them has a digital connector on it for a mac, or at very least an adapter. oh and on the tech pc ( which should be very close to the bench, put a dvd burner to take images of customer machines. if i was your avg small business owner and brought a pc in, i'd be pretty pissed if joe computer monkey lost all my info because he wasnt grounded properly( this is a joke for all you grounding nazis) ... it wouldnt hurt to have a copy of ghost on hand for those repeat offenders... ( you could also charge to keep an image handy in the event they bring it back when they blow it up again.)

  144. Don't forget live Linux CDs by Seng · · Score: 1

    Knoppix being one of my favorites... It's simply priceless when that Windows HD won't boot, but Linux will mount the drive and allow you to copy all the customer's data off it. Also, the dmesg log and syslog show a LOT more about what's working or not than any Windows Event Log...

  145. On the Tech Bench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about an oscilloscope?

  146. Big Screens Make Techs Happy....film @ 11 by FVK · · Score: 1


    At my last job when I got a couple freebie 20" CRT's, it completely changed my experience of fixing Macs.
     
    Probably matters slightly less for PCs, due to safe mode being low res anyway, but for me it was like brushing my teeth with toothpaste instead of the dogshit I had been using.
     
    I had some 15's and even an old 14" Applevision, it really sucked.
     
    Do yourself a favor and go 19"+ on your CRT's/LCDs!

  147. beer? by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    Good god man! After all these suggestions, am I the first one to suggest beer? I saw the minifridge posts, but for all I know that could be for some kind of hippie yogurt or something? What kind of world are we living in?

  148. A UPS is nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually have a UPS on my workbench. There is nothing worst than seeing your work disappear due to a 3 second power outage. Especially when you are almost at the end of that OS installation.

    1. Re:A UPS is nice by bjheu · · Score: 1

      or worse yet a BIOS flash :cringe:

    2. Re:A UPS is nice by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Many Gigabyte motherboards have a nice feature called "dual BIOS", where there's a back-up BIOS in case you normal one is flashed wrong.

      However, what kind of crappy places are you people living in where you have power outages? I haven't had one that I recall for the last 6 years or more.

  149. For those dificult jobs.. by member57 · · Score: 0

    10lb Sledgehammer
    Cutting Torch
    Pipe Wrench (big one)
    A 2ft length on water pipe
    That will cure those "difficult" jobs/ customers.

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  150. MOD PARENT UP! by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    +1 fscking hilarious!!

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  151. Testing... by Rihahn · · Score: 1

    A few known good motherboards mounted on plywood for component testing along with several varoious PSUs,

    a USB external HD of a decent size for making backups of customer data,

    a selection of known good internal wiring such as IDE cables, SATA cables, etc.,

    a selection of known good ram for testing,

    a burn in application that tests all low level components over an evening,

    a wide selection of spyware and virus removal tools,

    and most important of all; someone to act as the interface between the customers and the technitions - should be technically savy and infinitely patient, and be able to translate 'customer' to 'tech' and back again.

  152. a debugging rules poster by raygunz · · Score: 1

    I always have one above my bench, but then again, I designed the poster and think it's both amusing and useful. Downloadable from http://www.debuggingrules.com/

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  153. a ubuntu cd... by root-a-begger · · Score: 1

    this is a must for removing that nasty WinXP virus.

    1. Re:a ubuntu cd... by bjheu · · Score: 1

      Or to recover data when that poor excuse for a robust operating system claims the hard drive is unbootable. (actually had this happen at work, LAN support said the PC was unrepairable and they couldn't recover any data. I said screw that, told the user to shut it down while I burned a DSL CD, and 30 mins later he had 4 CDs worth of his data.)

  154. What your bench needs... by j.leidner · · Score: 1

    How about a copy of "USMA's Guide to the Use of the Metric System [SI edition]" each?

  155. Ram testers considered harmful by ktwombley · · Score: 2, Informative

    5. A common area with with a whole bunch of different ram testers.

    It may be that I'm more budget-conscious than others, but I think ram testers are a load of crap. They're expensive and quickly become obsolete as new types of ram comes out.

    A better solution, IMHO, is a couple known-good barebones PCs. For any modern computer you only need one supporting SDRAM and one supporting DDR. Neither machine needs a hard drive; just a bootable CD-Rom drive with a bootable memtest86 disk.

    This setup also doubles as a generic parts tester; you can plug any pci card, hard drive, cd drive, etc. into these barebones machines to verify failure. I use an ultimate boot cd in each machine. It comes with memtest , hard drive diagnostic tools, and a bunch of other diagnostic apps.

  156. Prio number 1 by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1
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  157. The hard way (Re:The essentials of desktop repair) by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    I felt much the same until I fried a MUX board valued at $50k (this was in the early 90s). Some environments are just giant static generators. When dealing with high-price components: play it safe, unless you can afford to eat the loss. I do prefer ESD mats over straps, but I will still strap myself if I am working on something more critical than an expansion card or drive unit.

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  158. first things first... by zenneth · · Score: 1

    Your dedicated 15" is going to be a poor supporting cast member when a customer brings in a computer with their resolution set at 1280x1024. Get a 17" and you're set.

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  159. Nerf guns and Thinking Putty by emidln · · Score: 1

    Soldering iron, ionized water, sponge, tin, book-o-resistors, book-o-capacitors,breadboards, assorted gauge wire, a bin of crimpers, cutters, and strippers, a good-sized chest of random parts, a few good catalogs (in case you happen to destroy your building's electrical and absolutely must have a part by noon tomorrow), a cell phone (see above), a spectrum analyzer, a couple good scopes, a hammer, a rubbe mallet, at least 20 sizes of screw drivers, a dremmel, a larger dremmel, a corded drill, several networked computers with their data mirrored somewhere else on the network, a small generator....

    Oh wait, you mean, what would I put on my bench? I currently don't have any glow in the dark thinking putty or nearly enough nerf guns. I'm also missing a mini fridge, though I do have a space heater (and a pentium 4 if it gets really cold).

  160. Two things by kponto · · Score: 1

    Carpet the countertop, to prevent scratching peoples machines, and plenty of ice cube trays to organise different screws when taking a machine apart.

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  161. A good reason for a big monitor-- by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

    Big monitors can display the higher resolutions- if you're powering up a machine that has its default video setting to 1600x1200- your 5 year old 15" monitor may not be able to display it- which leaves you without a display on a machine you're troubleshooting. In my last job, I had a really nice LCD (17") on my bench- it was great when it came to saving bench space, but it wouldn't display anything better than 1280x1024 and just kept a black screen (or a message that it couldn't display the image) if you tried to plug in a higher resolution. Which means... fiddling with the default resolution or finding the appropriate monitor and lugging it to your bench- both of which mean additional time.

  162. What We Have by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

    Our tech bench is approximately 20 feet long. We put up a good solid shelf at about chin-level above the bench. On this shelf we have four LCD monitors each attached to a 2-port KVM switch. Every 6 feet or so we have a tower of drawers, each labeled appropriately with their contents (tools, software CDs, labeling kits, spare drives of various sorts, ribbon cables, spare keyboards, mice, power cables, network cables and just about anything else you can think you may need handy. At each monitor station, we have a 2-port network drop and a four outlet power wall-plate. Works pretty good but we ended up with too many "misc" drawers so I'd recommend reorganizing them once in a while.

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  163. Dream Tech Bench by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

    You should probably have two monitors. KVMs are great, but they don't help you configure two computers at the same time. Spring for dual 15" LCDs with VGA input, should total $250 for both with shipping. Put KVMs on those. Have a large enough free area to have two computers disassembled, with a repositionable light nearby. Lots and lots of storage is a must, overhead or underneath, depending on the condition of your back. I'm sure you already have tools, but those are a must too, multiple sizes of philips, from teeny (laptops) to gigantic (IBM is fond of screws that could hold up a bridge), as well as a couple of standard head (IBM sometimes still uses em, plus they are good for prying), star shaped, and hex screwdrivers. Several pairs of pliers, thick ones for gripping and twisting and a pair of needle nose for more delicate work. I have actually found that a small hammer can be useful sometimes too (no, not in the way you think, sometimes a few gentle taps will dislodge stuck power supplies, CD drives, or case pannels). In terms of extra parts, you might want to stock a couple of sticks of RAM, PC100 or DDR400 depending on what kind of machines are in your buisness. A couple cheap 40 GB hard drives and 350W PSs are good, because most dead machines I see are because of bad RAM, HDs or PSs, or a combonation thereof.

  164. Re:A sledge-o-matic by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Right, so after scrolling down a while and finding nothing on the actual topic of tools:
    1) 2 metcal re-work stations
    2) 2-3 rolls of solder, varying diameter
    3) 2 bottles of liquid flux (someone will steal one)
    4) IPA, swabs and cloth wipes
    5) Machinist chest (small) loaded with the RightTools (TM) (ESD safe snips, strippers, pliers, etc.)
    6) bin box for scrap devices and solder soaked wick for "proper" disposal
    7) PC w/ 17" LCD, mounted on a swivel arm.
    8) the kitchen sink.

    other:
    * One bench with an inspection microscope for taking nice pictures like this: http://xbx.networkboy.net/modules/gallery/albums/a lbum24/TEEPE_2X402S_TO_1_603CAP_TO_GROUND_SHOT2.pn g (should have a pair of very fine tipped soldering irons for re-work)
    * Community station with a Zyphertronics and low temp solder (you can recover and reuse the solder a couple times, feels chincy to do, but that shit is pricy)
    * Solvent tank, if you can afford it and the OSHA regs, etc. Makes cleaning boards a breeze.

    All the above is with re-work in mind, and if you need to do debug I highly suggest a seperate station or two with a good scope (I like Tek) and Logic analyzer, DMM (should have lots of these floating around any lab), etc.

    If you want some pics of my bench setups for my lab let me know (email the admin of the site the pic came from).
    -nB

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  165. Stuff I usually need by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

    Linux CD's - Fedora of course including rescue CD.

    WinXP SP2 and Win98SE CD's - sometimes we have to use Windows, and Win98SE makes a good boot CD for DOS firmware flashers.

    USB key with my serials on them - it just seems easier to use text files than a load of sticky labels from CD cases. Also some example config files like xorg.conf and notes about how I've fixed Linux problems before, plus software I've written myself (always nice to test on a new platform) and the 'usual' stuff like wallpaper and some MP3's to test the audio with.

    Acronis Drive Image 8 boot CD - will back up anything you throw at it, better than Ghost.

    Ethernet cable - preferably linked to a switch to get to the fileserver and optionally the internet.

    Screws - mainly drive and case types, plus motherboard risers and thumbscrews.

    Magnetic Philips screwdriver - how many times have you dropped a screw in someplace unreachable by human hands and don't want to shake the whole case around to get it out?!

    Cybertool Swiss Army Knife - for when you can't find the right screwdriver or you need to unscrew GFX card connectors or cut something.

    80mm fans - I always seem to need to add these, cases never come with enough (usually 1-2).

    Dremel - for cutting holes for fans, or trimming overly large drive bays, or emergency dental surgery ;-)

    Fileserver - contains ISO's for various CD's and also rsync'ed updates made into a YUM server and storage space to image the new PC to (see Acronis above).

    Warez - well not warez as such, but the hundreds of CD/DVD's you've filled with stuff you've downloaded over the years. You'll always find something you need that you can no longer download (like that 96Mb Abi Titmuss Lesbian WMV, oh what I wouldn't give for a peak at that one!)

    Artic Silver 3 thermal paste - much better than that white crap they give you with retail CPU's.

    Spare Realtek/3com ethernet cards - endless times I've found computers I'm fixing have dead or dodgey ethernet, or Linux doesn't support the onboard one. Same goes for graphics cards - always carry an old 2Mb S3 PCI card and an 8Mb ATI AGP card.

    KVM is useful (if they have built-in cables, nothing's worse than trying to find that monitor extension cable!) so are dual input LCD's, but always have a spare CRT around for when the GFX card is trying to use a mode a 60Hz 1280x1024 LCD would not cope with.

    Spare mice - Microsoft are the best, don't like USB mice, but I have found some motherboards that won't power down with PS/2. Also get a PS/2 keyboard not a USB one.

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  166. Mirrored Back by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

    Did a tour of CDW a couple of years ago. One of the things that impressed the hell out of me was that every tech bench (for the customization staff) had a mirrored back panel. Perfect for hooking up cables without turning the machine around. I couldn't believe I never thought of it.

    Brilliant.

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  167. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by siggy_lxvi · · Score: 0

    WTF? Why is this modded redundant? I mean, obviously everybody should be asking these questions anyway, but still... It should at least get a funny.

  168. More than one connection... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What! No ethernet connection to the internal service network? You can have an internal server with all the documentation/virus/spyware updates and drivers/BIOS updates* (especially for older hardware) you need. Plus PXE can come in handy with the newer MBs. Some of the older ones can use an NIC with a boot rom.

    *Two pluses doing it this way (yes you still need to occasionally check the manufacturers site). One is when the main site is down. The other is when it's difficult to navigate. e.g. compaq/HP. Remember time is money.

    Also don't forget to have an internal trouble-ticket/problem tracking setup. Usually manufacturer problems come as a run. e.g a particular series, or year. It's good to see if someone else ran into the same problem as you, and what they did. Especially in small shops that have a high rate of turnover.

  169. What is this bench nonsense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a computer doesn't work, tell someone to swap it for a spare from inventory and call in an RMA... who has time to muck around with hardware anymore?

  170. Cable tester by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    One of those $150 cable testers that does USB, RJ, DB25, DB9, etc cables.
    Ours looks like this one but has no manufacturer's ID on it, other than the marking "PC Cable Tester":
    www.nudata.com/testers/pccabletester.htm

  171. Masking Tape and Marker by nikwax · · Score: 1

    The single most useful bits of kit I use are a roll of masking tape and a marker pen. Great for keeping track of all that stuff on the bench, especially if there are multiple units.

    If there are cables to be detached temporarily I always tag the ends first. For two reasons: sometimes I can't remember where to put them back, and if (later) I suspect they were in the wrong place, I can check.

  172. Specialty tools by cojsl · · Score: 1

    Many good ideas here, I'll add a few of my favorite specialty tools: Antec PSU tester (~$15). Soyo Techaid post code diagnostic PCI card (~$20). USB NIC (many manyfacturers ($30) faster than opening the case on machines w/o a NIC, also good for diagnosing "is it the NIC or OS" issues. USB to ATA adaptor- connect client's hdd to bench machine fast for file retrieval/virus scan. (2) 2.5" to 3.5" hdd adaptor ($10)- connect/copy laptop drives with your bench gear. Ground mats, GOOD hand tools, extra hdds to clone disks before beginning work are also vital.

  173. you need a large poster of a naked chick.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right about the workbench... that is essential isn't it?

  174. Something no one mentioned-One's Brain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of something that no one has mentioned.

    This poster and this site

    Sometimes the most important tool is the one between your ears.

  175. An autographed picture of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Natalie Portman pouring hot grits down my pants in 1999!

  176. Well, seeing as how you asked... by Woodmeister · · Score: 1
    Let's see. For starters I'd want a 200 Mhz dual trace 'scope (storage option a bonus), a 1+ GHz spectrum analyser, two or three nice VOMs, a couple of fully-featured AF signal generators, an RF generator capable of all-mode modulation (AM, FM, SSB, FSK, etc..), a nice'n'clean class-AB stereo AF amplifier (with a lower power _pure_ class-A stereo amp for headphones or other ultra low distortion applications), a power supply with a half-dozen or so matched +/- voltage rails, a 100 watt (or so) linear RF amplifier, an RF power/VSWR meter, and a primo soldering station.

    On the _other_ bench, I'd want a drill press, band saw, lathe, Dremel(TM) with all the accessories, a PCB milling machine (or a reasonable equivalent), and all the hand tools one would possibly need for homebrewing circuits.

    Oh, and a good selection of electronic components. A _metric_shitload_ of electronic components.

    Somewhere I'd want a computer w/ 17" monitor for automation and stuff, but, hey I'd rather design a bloody computer and build it from scratch as opposed to assembling and fixing the damn things ;P

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  177. USB IDE Interface by daern · · Score: 1

    Undoubtedly the most useful thing for fixing dead boxes is a USB / FW IDE interface that allows you to quickly slave up suspect disks and drag data off them in double-quick time.

  178. Not Complete Without....... by mjinman · · Score: 1

    If you are serious about having a REAL tech bench then you need one of these bad boys....

    http://www.home.agilent.com/USeng/nav/-536892327.5 36882573/pd.html

    Otherwise how will you test your homebrew wifi antennas?

    1. Re:Not Complete Without....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's overkill. There are antenna analyzers that are up to the task for far less money.

  179. Tsk tsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it looks like crap. No way they're gonna sell that to a customer"

    Is it that you don't know many salesmen or that you're trusting?

  180. Make sure you get USB KVMs! by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    Computer manufacturers are shipping some PCs with no PS/2 ports, USB only, so make sure you get some USB KVM's. I would also recommend putting customer machines on a seperate network than any employee's machines, either physically or virtually. Oh, and be sure to get a candy machine that takes dollar bills, or else the "exact change only" light is gonna be lit on your soda machine more often than not.

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  181. A lazy Susan by Gerdazech · · Score: 1

    To be honest, one of the most usefull things i've had on my bench at times was a lazy susan. It's really nice to be able to spin your case around and work on any side of it, without any hassle.

  182. Bench tools by keithdowsett · · Score: 1

    1) If you're fixing used kit, start with a grounded extract line with a brush nozzle. It's way better than blowing dust all around the lab every time. Make sure the extract has a decent ground connection and test it regularly. Extract systems are very prone to static build-up.

    2) A built in 500W power supply with resettable fuses in the DC lines. Under-spec power supply faults are b***ards to debug without a known clean PSU.

    3) Separate area with big (16+ port) KVM for machines on soak test. That way they don't fill up half my bench and turn the lab into a sauna.

    4) Lockable tool board above bench with spring clips for screwdrivers etc. That way I can lock my tools up when I go home.

    5) Communal whiteboard

    6) Anti-static matting on all benches. Anti-static flooring and ankle straps so we don't need wrist straps.

    7) Large anti-static plastic boxes underneath bench for parts & cables. Small boxes on wall above bench for bolts, standoffs, fuses, etc.

    8) As lots of people have already said - a turntable big enough to take a large PC.

    9) Laptop with FDD, CD burner and Internet connection, locked to the bench so people don't keep strolling off with them.

    10) Cupboard containing solvent cleaner, screen wipes, paper towel roll and foam cleaner.

    11) Lockable cupboard for 'known good' parts. If you don't lock them up, they wander almost as fast as tools.

    Just my thoughts,

    Keith.

  183. Van De Graff Generator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never run a tech shop without these. They impress people with the need to wear antistatic strips, which you should buy in bulk and add-on sell to everyone who comes to the store.

  184. Re:i'd put.. IDE expansion and SCSI conversion. by Forge · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would have kits and cables to conect any disk to a very simple, test "box" SCSI, SATA, IDE (2.5" & 3.5"). including a PERC 3/DC (Dell RAID card) Box is in quotes because it would never actualy be closed.

    It should have a multiboot disk drive (Linux and a few other OSs.) a 2nd very large drive for dumping rescued data. A DVD/CD burner and DAT drive for returning rescued data to clients.

    A small vacum cleaner and some canned air are esential (Broken computers tend to be dirty).

    A set of Jewelers screwdrivers (For laptop work).

    A Leatherman (look it up)

    And last but not least; an anty static wrist strap.

    PS: Ohh and a competent enginear. :)

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  185. a thick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A thick hard rubber mat to prevent damaging droped parts and prevent scratching.

  186. More ideas from another small shop. by UncleRage · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In no particular order.

    1.Live Linux distro of choice (Ubuntu & Knoppix are both good choices) for recovery as mentioned below many times. These are invaluable -- I also include a labeled Ubuntu Live disc w/ every consumer job I perform.

    Winternals is not without it's merrit. Especially if you have a high volume of 2k/XP systems and are unfamiliar/uncomfortable with Linux.

    2. USB keydrives. 1 GB's are very cheap now. No reason not to have a couple w/ at least one set up for quick boot/recovery on drive.

    3. A larger monitor (as mentioned previously). 10-12 hours of staring at small screens makes me cranky. Even a 17" is a vast improvement (w/ minimal footprint increase).

    4. Seperate workbenches are a must: I've got a similar small workbench (5x4x5) specifically set for hardware work. That bench is for nothing but hardware installs, soldering work, etc...

    My second bench (a 7' table) is set up for installs, troubleshooting, etc... It has a small desk (actually, an old 80's industrial printer stand) with a 19" monitor, keyboard, mouse, KVM and a small 5-port linksys 10/100 hub (that ties into the main network). I am able to perform 4 simultaneous install jobs at once. Greatly reduces workload.

    5. A dedicated fileserver is a good idea. All it takes is a single job where the client insists (and is ready to pay) to have 100-200 GB of data backed up, for you to realize that shuttling data around on 1 GB keydrives is for the birds.

    6. An older laptop or SFF desktop (1GB P III, 512 MB Ram is more than enough... and very affordable via ebay -- less than $100 for a SFF Compaq Deskpro EN) for rolling out patches -- eliminates the necessity of burining weekly updates. This reduces network clog, and greatly lowers bandwidth requirements. You could pull double time w/ your file server... but I prefer for each piece of equipment to have a single dedicated purpose (not to mention, downtime is greatly reduced when one of your boxes goes down).

    7. Creature comforts. Whatever those may be.

    That last part may sound silly, but it isn't. All it takes is to get slammed w/ 7 or 8 straight 14 hour days and you'll soon realize that a handful of 15 minutes breaks with something enjoyable is a sanity keeper. As my shop has a LAN gaming center along with the PC sales and repairs, I have a 27" TV behind the counter attached to several old(er) consoles (Genesis, Saturn and a Dreamcast). It works with the overall theme of the business... and I really appreciate a quick button masher during crunch times. Along with this goes decent speakers for music, a small fridge, a pair of comfy slippers and a pair of sneakers for a quick 15 minute walk at some point in the day.

    I'm sure you'll figure out more things as time goes by (specific tools, a third station for console repairs or custom builds, magic fingers vibrating bed, etc...) The biggest thing is to maximize your space and be comfortable in it. I cannot stress this enough. If you're not comfortable, you cannot make your clients comfortable -- and if they are not comfortable, they won't come back.

    Anyway... good luck and congrats on the increase in business. Every time a friend of mine comes in to town he bitches and moans and looks at my little shop with envy in his eyes. He's always fond of saying... "Yeah, doing it on your own and not shoveling it for the man. You've got it made".

    Meanwhile, he's raking it w/ a major player, benefits, and all the toys he cares to buy (like a nice new convy Jag). Ah well, I guess it always looks better from the other side. ;)

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  187. How about real tools like ... by Forge · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would have kits and cables to conect any disk to a very simple, test "box" SCSI, SATA, IDE (2.5" & 3.5"). including a PERC 3/DC (Dell RAID card) Box is in quotes because it would never actualy be closed.

    It should have a multiboot disk drive (Linux and a few other OSs.) a 2nd very large drive for dumping rescued data. A DVD/CD burner and DAT drive for returning rescued data to clients.

    A small vacum cleaner and some canned air are esential (Broken computers tend to be dirty).

    A set of Jewelers screwdrivers (For laptop work).

    A Leatherman (look it up)

    test motherboards that support the more common dimm formats. (Cheaper than a memory tester).

    A stack of utility software like ghost and a Windows pasword hack utility.

    And last but not least; an anty static wrist strap.

    PS: Ohh and a competent enginear. :)

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    1. Re:How about real tools like ... by Qazimov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This and parent have some great ideas for an advanced bench, but most repair places are not going to have any use for solder and so on when doing warranty (and non) repairs. Basically any warranty repair is not going to involuve it's use at all - even if fixing something that's no longer covered by warranty, few A+ tech's are going to be useful with an iron or a Perc raid card. (I may be mistaken, but don't most raid array's refuse to rebuild if you move the drives to anything other than the exact same card?) Definitely need the various tools, Jewlers screw drivers (with hex, torx and so on can be a life saver.) Vacum and compressed air for sure. I find the use of a simple USB/Firewire external drive is plenty for backing up data on 99% of the jobs a normal tech bench will see. Get two for a large bench with a couple people. A USB network adaptor - can be a real time saver, again. Voltmeter. And one thing that I found terribly useful and so cheap I'm surprised I don't see them more - Ice cube racks. When you're dismantling a system, you can go clockwise around the ice tray placing scres from each layer in a new mini-bin. THen when you are putting things back together you just work back through the bins/layers and make sure you get every screw back. This little trick makes it VERY easy to verify that you aren't missing pieces, or that you accidentally put another piece back in that blocks another screw and so on. (Things like that can totaly kill productivity on a bench) Also a good information workstation per engineer at the bench can make things run much smoother. Access to repair PDFs and online information possibly not from the manufacturer can help to save time.

    2. Re:How about real tools like ... by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Actually there is one reason to do soldering on motherboards - bad capacitors. Damn things flake our all the time. Any really good repair place should stock several of the more common values of low-ESR electrolytic caps in skinny form factors and should have a good ($400+) soldering/desoldering station. Also, a really good multimeter with miniclip probes is always needed. Get two, and spare batteries. Get them with temperature probes, and get an infrared thermometer, too. A dummy load for testing power supplies. A big Enermax ATX test power supply. A shunt for high-current measurements. An anti-static mat and wrist-strap. A drive duplicator and a stock of the more common drive types. Manufacturer's low-level format disks. Monitor calibration software. Norton, esp. Ghost. Knoppix. PC-DOS/ Ghost bootdisks. Other needed OSes with the needed licenses. Forensics software for data recovery. At least two 17" LCDs - one for the problem computer and one for the diagnostic computer. The space gained with LCDs is worth the money over CRTs, and they interfere less. (14" CRT and a KVM switch - how sad. hang on to the KVM switch, though.) 2nd barebones test computer for component testing. A cheap old oscilliscope can be useful for monitoring power supplies' performance under start-up loads, residual ripple and for intermittent electrical noise problems. It also helps with capacitor testing and makes your bench look cool. There are lots of other uses one can find for an oscope. Or get an oscope card for the test computer, which looks less cool but can be useful for recording transients and long-term tests. Four new 1x/10x switchable probes with tip sets. Old Tektronix manual on CD from eBay on how to do various kinds of oscope tests. Various USB devices - at minimum mouse, keyboard, powered hub, thumb drive. USB 2 drive for when other backup methods fail. Thermal grease for heatsinks. Cheap low-thermal resistence heatsinks for common processors. Electric screwdrivers and bit set. HDD and case screws - replace user case screws with knurled hand-removable screws and you'll get more repeat business. Parts trays. Database-inexed copies of every driver you've had to download. Copies of all OEM driver disks that ever cross your bench. Two of every major kind of computer component for tests. Replacement fans. A test CPU for every kind of socket you generally come across. A universal laptop power supply with interchangable tips. A univeral RadioShack power brick with a set of common tips. Some system for logging tests and results by case. A bookshelf - file the most recently used items on the left, and store anything that hasn't been used in a long time in a shelf below the bench. And most importantly- POWER OUTLETS - LOTS OF POWER OUTLETS. At least 18. And the biggest UPS you can afford serving the whole bench.

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    3. Re:How about real tools like ... by Forge · · Score: 1

      2 things.

      1. I havn't solderd inside a computer in years.

      2. I want the thing I'm repairing on a diferent UPS from the machine I keap my documentation etc... on.

      If you ever see a short circuit on the output side of a UPS you will agree.

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  188. Re:i'd put.. IDE expansion and SCSI conversion. by biryokumaru · · Score: 1
    Hahaha, your sig reminded me of another thing I keep on my desk, inherited from my Grandfather, an engineer who designed analog computer control systems for aluminum forging =]

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375 702121/002-9908256-4490441?v=glance

    Of course, his is a first edition =]

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  189. You must have an Etherkiller just in case. by Ranxerox · · Score: 1
  190. cleaning out dust sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one tool that is really worth the investment is a service/toner vacuum cleaner.

    These things rock at the part of computer repair that sucks the most (no phun), the cleaning.

    You can use compressed air and clean out your shop every ten computers as you just spread dust around. (Also am I the only one who hasn`t masterd these enough to prevent them from blowing dust in your face?) You can used a normal vacuum cleaner and try to use the big bulky thing to clean out every little corner while risking sucking a vacuum between the mainboard and the case cousing it to bend and/or crack. These tonar cleaners have a flexible thin rubber nozle that fits between pci cards, hard disks well, everywhere.

    Now that I googled one I realised how expensive these are, but the one I used was a leftover over from the copier repair days of someone.

  191. essentials by XdevXnull · · Score: 1

    Based on my experience with my benches at work, I'd say you've mostly got it down. But the two things I'd suggest you try to get in there are a 17" LCD and a high quality KVM , as it will see a lot of use. The LCD is less imperitive, but it's really nice when you're working with a large system or many computers and countertop realestate is at a premium. The KVM is a lot more imporant. Nothing is worse than a KVM that will blank out when you're going to one of the inputs. I've even had situations where computers would spontaneously reboot as soon as I switched over, because of a crappy KVM.

    Choose wisely.

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  192. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by mollymoo · · Score: 1

    Microsoft just called, they said something about you performing a study for them.

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  193. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got this one wrong.

    27. Can you do something else instead of bothering me? Yes_____
  194. Dehumidifier by kenwood720 · · Score: 1

    No one mentioned a humidy controlled dehumidifier. Some rooms are too humid for electronics to work properly. I bought a 50pint from sears for $200 with controls to set the humidity level and hourly power settings.

  195. Flexible claww grabber and 3rd hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't seen these ones mentioned yet and I love them. These are just samples not the exact model.

    Flexible Claw Pick Up Tool
    http://www.toolspot.co.uk/product/24-flexible-claw -pick-up-tool

    Third Hand Clamp with Clips & Magnifier
    http://www.ccsilver.com/supplies/tools/tools6.html

    A light on a flexible shaft is a good idea as well along with a mirror on an extending shaft.

  196. The techbench list [partial] by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1

    As a small computer repair company that has seen enormous growth in the past few months, we are now looking to expand our facilities.

    So its basically you then is it?

    Well lets see, your going to want more than one monitor, more like three at least. One connected to a small cubby hole machine that you can use as a test device for external I/O ports and such, also for looking up information on the net and burning your CDs and floppies. You will want to make this a box that can masquerade and serve up some DHCP on your little techbench network. round off with a 5 port switch and some cable drops for power, net and the like.

    The other two monitors are due to the fact you will only rarely have a single project going on at once, at the same time. Make sure you have cable extenders on your second two monitors, these are much esier to replace than the stock cables on your monitors when you bend the pins to hell.

    Lots of lighting prefferably adjustable.

    Since parts tend to be all over except where you want to find them, we have installed steel shelves to hold up largish rubbermade bins. The system is viewed as moderately successfull.

    A multimeter, for looks and a logic probe just so you can use the words "logic probe" every once in a while.
    Some wrist straps so that you can insist on people wearing them (the policy deters most people from touching things).
    A CD rack or you will be always burning your tools and install disks.
      Oh, make sure its a wood top on your bench. Nothing worse than a metal top techbench.

    Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

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  197. Machinists Handbook by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    'nuff said.

  198. Always copy driver CDs, floppies! by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

    Every driver CD/disk that comes across my desk gets copied to another CD/disk and also copied to a driver folder on the network. I can't tell you how many times I've watched companies drop access to drivers and left me stranded...

    ...same goes for downloaded software -- always archive it!

  199. A dual input CRT can do the same job by Tired_Blood · · Score: 1
    One CRT isn't going to cut it. Get a second LCD mounted up on the wall. That much space, you likely want to watch more than one thing at a time and a switch box is frustrating.

    Technically, one CRT may actually be enough.

    For a while (before getting a LCD monitor a few months ago), I was working on two PCs with a dual input CRT. One touch of a front panel button toggled views easily. Great investment at the time (21" and cost $80 as "refurbished" at a show 3 years ago).

    The two problems I had:
    • forgetting which PC is being monitored - very infrequent after adjusting to the experience.
    • CRTs are massive - my reason for adopting LCD.

    In the context of this topic, you'd use the secondary input to access some reference material and run even less risk of confusing the two sessions.

    As for other tools, certain medical equipment is great for general electronics work. For example, I've got a bunch of surgical clamps that solve the problem of needing an extra hand to hold a loose wire in place when both of my own hands are occupied with the soldering tools.
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  200. One last thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone has had great suggestions, there is really one thing I didn't see, and it is important. Zip ties, you can buy them in big packs at auto-parts stores, having a big selections of zip ties make it so easy to secure all your wiring.

  201. Digital Camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one hasn't been mentioned yet but of all the things typically found on test benches I'll add digital camera to the mix. Useful in a myriad of ways.

    Need to identify on board chipsets buried in a box or difficult to read otherwise? Snap a pic in macro mode and zoom in on the interesting bits. I can do that in camera while doing internet searches for drivers, info, etc.

    Need to remember where all the connectors went for case lights/power switches etc.? Same thing.

    More convenient that writing things down or sketching things out in many situations.

    I also use it to record things like physical damage or general condition in case questions arise later. Or screen shots of bios information...

    Also use it to record serial numbers, license keys etc. Works great for reloading OS like XP where the serno is stickered on the back/side of the computer.

    And it works well for onsite physical inventory or record keeping of work performed and so on.

    In many cases using a camera is much faster, flexible, less error prone and more convenient generally than jotting down notes.

    Nor do you need a large megapixel fully featured expensive model for such work. 2 to 4 megapixels are plenty. A nice performing macro mode, flash and generous LCD are desireable. At the moment mine is a Canon A75 but just about anything on the low end from Canon or Nikon could be recommended although many others would be found equally suitable I'm sure. If you happen to have a better camera, use it.

    Recommended.

  202. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by cvdwl · · Score: 1
    Ah, come on. The best customers are the ones who fail at number 6. Bill them $80 for 2 hours and $150 a new "electronic supply stabilization device" to connect your computer to the "electron supply and recovery conduit".

    And, while RTFM (Questions 12-16) is funny and all, have any of you ever SEEN a manual worth its weight in pennies recently. Most manuals I've gotten with computers extend as far as "put the thing with the three metal prongs on the end into the wall." That's not much help when the hard drive crashes or the BIOS battery dies. I usually recycle them the first time my electronic device boots into a functional OS.

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  203. Dental picks by colenski · · Score: 1

    No, seriously, dental picks. Absolutely the best tool to unstick fans, lever CPU's and chips out of their sockets, retrieve tiny screws and parts wedged in crevices, the list goes on. Probably the tool I turn to most.

    Another essential is a long T-15 Torx screwdriver. With it, you can disassemble any Tier 1 box really really quickly. Ever try to change a board in a Compaq without one? Can't be done.

    Several known good crossover cables, you gotta have'em. Why dick around with a hub or a switch?

    Fish tape , and a very long highly flexible pole (fishing rods work good) for running Cat5 in a plenum. Essential. With the rod alone, it cuts your time to run the cable by at least half, as well as the number of ceiling tiles you have to remove by half

    Finally, a good hardware troubleshooting kit

    hth

  204. got walls? by j!mmy+v. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back when I'd primarily work on a bench with a wall behind it (as opposed to relatively-free-standing like I do now) I would always keep a mirror at the back of the bench, standing up and facing me.

    This is to counter the effects of J!mmy's Rule: "The interface ports you can't see are not where your fingers remember them being."

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  205. My bench by Widowwolf · · Score: 0

    dont forget all the zip ties! they are always imporatnt..and a good trash can withing reach(not 1 large one per shop...get one below or beside each bench, and on hanging on the wall a damp cloth(how many times have you gotten something in your eyes, mouth and your fingers are coated with 3" of dust from the customers case..) and last but not least walkie talkies..that way you rguy in teh front can talk with your guys in tha back without having to leave the customer...leaving customers alone is bad..unless it something that needs to be said privately, get an intercom or walkietalkie systems...als oyou gotta get your techs some tunes...build in radios or allow employees uses of ipods or something. most of the times they aremuch happier !

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  206. 2 things.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've fixed more computers with two things:

    1) a knoppix live cd

    2) an external drive bay

    the drive bay used to hold a cd burner till the drive died. now i leave the guts showing, but I am able to swap out any kind of IDE device that i like depending on the situation. its great for recovering data quickly or cloning drives.

  207. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by bernywork · · Score: 1

    You read a lot of BOFH don't you?

    I guess the question is: Doesn't everybody?

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  208. Swiss Army Cybertool by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

    I use the Cybertool from Victorinox, and rarely reach for another tool.

    http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools/Product.htm?ca tegory=doityourself&product=54919&

    I like the smaller one (model 29) because it lives in my pocket all the time.

    Additionally, how do you have a growing repair shop with the price of modern computers?

  209. TightVNC by Chonine · · Score: 1

    Do as much of that stuff remotely as possible. Mom, Dad, Grandma, Auntie, have all fell in love with that program and my time.

  210. Testbench Essentials only by who's+got+my+nicknam · · Score: 1

    Bawls. Lots of Bawls. And ditch the CRT, man. It takes up a lot of room that could be used for Bawls. The KVM is a good idea, as it lets you toggle between systems without having to put down the Bawls you are drinking. Make sure you have a good sturdy shelf to store the empties, too.

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  211. Things on our test benches by OAB_X · · Score: 1

    I work a computer store, here are the things on every test bench:

    4 port KVM
    grounded mats (some still have the grounding wires attached to them!
    lots of power bars
    1 19" LCD monitor hooked up to said KVM
    knoppix (and ubuntu live CD)

    In general use:
    1 psu tester
    a couple psu's
    air compressor
    vacuum
    multimetre
    2x putty knife (one large, one small)
    dozen copies of ToolStar and Microscope
    IBM IDE Hard Drive test diskett
    1x USB floppy drive
    copies of all windows versions (including 11-in-1 windows DVD, and windows XP super cd's)

    why do we have no extra psu's, ram, hdd's etc? Well, it is because we do mostly laptop work. We have about 150+ laptops in for repair at any one time. If you need ram, steal it from one other laptop. Need an AC adapter? Have the client bring in their own. If it dosnt charge, multimetre the adapter, if the adapter works, new motherboard. Dim screen? FL inverter. Use a multimetre to test it.

    Oh, and cabinets. LOTS of cabinets and shelving. We have too many computers, we have a bin allocation for "floor", and "on top of cabinets" where we stack things.

  212. USB HDD enclosure. by toastee · · Score: 1

    A External USB 2.0 HDD enclosure (i like the startech one because its internal design is resistant to abuse) can be used to plug any IDE disk into a system and bring it online for OS based testing or data recovery. you can also use it as a method for running a virus or spyware scan on a system who's own OS is too far gone to use effectively.

    I have a SATA version as well on the bench in my tech shop.

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  213. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by daniil · · Score: 1

    I just had a frightening thought. The Troll blacklists both have 200 foes. Assuming that half the names on both lists are the same, this makes 300 troll accounts. The mods have marked me a troll above, so we can safely bet that there's 300/3 = 100 trolls on Slashdot. This also means that roughly one third of 333 active users are [tt]rolls. This number (1/3) corresponds to the signal-to-noise ratio according to AlterSlash.

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  214. One thing I haven't seen in the comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A calendar with bikini clad lovelies.

  215. Multimeters... how? when? why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People keep mentioning multimeters, but I don't see how they can be useful if you don't have schematics. Are there any good references to figuring out electronics issues when it's a complex piece of equipment and you don't have schematics. I need to know where to start.

    I'd love to learn electronics well. But, it almost seems to be a dying art with respect to individuals, though. I understand basic ohms law, capacitance, the math behind some of it, but when it comes to something that is already put together and doesn't have schematics, damnit I'm lost.

    For example, I have a set of 5.1 computer speakers I can work on first. I can see the cap that blew. But how do I know that isn't a symptom of some other issue elsewhere in the system.

    Or in a computer. How do you go through it and see anything useful? Or a radio or TV? It just seems impossible without schematics because you don't know the values you should be looking for or even when should those values appear on that circuit.

  216. Often overlooked by jlowe312 · · Score: 1

    Keep spare screws! I can't count how often I've lost a screw while repairing a computer. Get the standard sizes; case screws, drive screws... Just keep a number of spares at hand. Also, get a telescoping magnet wand to retrieve anything that might fall behind the work bench.

  217. Modern Tinkers by Reziac · · Score: 1

    One of my indispensible tools: the smallest-size needle-nosed ViseGrips. Great for removing round screws with stripped heads. Occasionally useful as a clamp or prying tool. (You know the motherboard is warped when you have to use visegrips to remove a Slot-1 CPU :)

    Other oddities I've found useful, that are in my portable kit:

    Dentist's mirror (good for checking jumpers without having to remove a cramped drive)
    Magnifying lens that I can stick down into small spots (mine is just a lens salvaged from a big projector)
    Twisty-ties (easier to redo than cable ties)
    Very small plastic cocktail straw, or WD40 straw (for poking stuff out of small places)
    Pipe cleaners (for getting gunk out of glued-together heatsink/fan arrangements)
    Toothbrush (for removing stuck-on gunk)
    Cap from a BIC Stic pen (the skinny part is good for stopping PSU fan when I need to check its spin-up, or to momentarily cut its noise to hear something else)
    Rest of the BIC Stic pen (the point is just the right size for shorting between the power-on or reset pins, without having to fumble with the wiring harness, or poke 'em with a screwdriver that might touch Something Unexpected)

    I do question magnetizing screwdrivers, tho. Do you really WANT a magnet poking around next to magnetically-sensitive equipment?

    When I need to put a screw in some tiny place, I use one of those 3-prong screw extractor/pickup tools (three little bent wires that can be extended from a small plastic tube). It's not only good for picking screws up, it's good for starting them in spots too small for anything but a narrow tool. (Also for removing them the last couple turns, so they don't fall down inside the PC.)

    Another indispensible "tool": a wooden plank, about 12x24 inches. Good for working on loose motherboards, as the small height is enough to let you put cards in the mobo without having to face it any particular direction. (Tho here I usually just drape it across an open case that's serving as the temporary power supply.) In my portable kit, I have a piece of heavy dull-surfaced cardboard that does the same job.

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    1. Re:Modern Tinkers by Sosarian · · Score: 1
      • I do question magnetizing screwdrivers, tho. Do you really WANT a magnet poking around next to magnetically-sensitive equipment?

      And what magnetically sensitive equipment would you be talking about exactly?

      Just try to degauss a floppy disk with a magnetic screwdriver, and the magnets inside your typical harddrive are many times stronger than your screwdriver will be too, not that you'll be putting such a tool inside the drive anyways.

    2. Re:Modern Tinkers by v1 · · Score: 1

      I do question magnetizing screwdrivers, tho. Do you really WANT a magnet poking around next to magnetically-sensitive equipment?

      Magnetic frailty is somewhat of a urban legend with computers. Consider this: one of the best places to find a powerful, rare earth magnet (four of them in fact!) is inside a HARD DRIVE. They are used as opposition to move the disk arm very fast and very precisely. Rare earth magnets are also commonly used in the stepper motor just below the platters, often in groups of 8 or 10.

      (can you think of anywhere that would be MORE sensitive to magnetic fields?) Of course they do a very good job of containing and routing the flux, but still, well, you get the point.

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  218. you're all deluded by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    so carry on, it's darwinism in action. if you have a faulty PSU, where, say, the live rail shorts to the case, and you're touching that case, you're in for a world of pain. it's not common, but it does happen and i prefer not to trust my health to some cheapo taiwanese PSU made by convicts. cheers.
    you fail it for this one, i'm afraid.

  219. What you need by mdman · · Score: 0

    Nobody knows what you need for your business better than you... I would say, if you have been in business for any lenth of time, you should know the tools you need, and the set up of your work space.. Better than the people here on /. Maybe you need a business consultant?

  220. A firewall. Seriously. by myov · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firewall off your test area. Viruses, worms, malware, irc, bots, etc. all want to get out and infect things, or will flood your network trying. Allow access to only the things the boxes need to see (windows update, antivirus/spyware, your local file server, etc). Block everything else, or at least be able to turn it off. Cache the updates and save bandwidth.

    Log everything and watch the logs to see what the malware is trying to hit.

    Ideally, use a managed switch and separate each port (or a few cheap routers) so that machines can't infect each other while they're connected.

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  221. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by daniil · · Score: 1

    I am?!? Cool! It means I got that job *dance of joy* Though it is a bit strange that they called you not me... Are you pulling my leg?

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  222. Re:FP?!? Get some priorities, man! Slashdot is dyi by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    Yeah, but without a proper analysis, there's no way of telling whether the noise is coming from the trolls or from people posting AC. My bet is that the troll posts contribute more, in terms of both diversity of opinion (outside-the-box thinking, etc) and in just plain entertainment (how many posts have been mis-marked troll because someone misses the joke)?

    It would be interesting to do a real study on the s/n ratio, and determine just how many users it takes to post half the logged-in comments.

  223. Air Purifier running 24/7 and other ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think anyone mentioned an air purifier. In addition to an air compressor and vaccuum for dust, I recommend an air purifier that runs 24/7. There is always dust in the air. This does a good job to collect the dust.

    Another surprisely good tool is a cart with wheels that has a table top at waist height. The one I have is intended for use in the kitchen. You can spin it around. Very nice.

    A peg board is nice for storage of wires.

    I stick thumb tacks in the wall to hold CD's. Each thumb tack can hold about 5 CD's.

    I also stick important documentation to the wall with thumbtacks.

    A whiteboard is nice for discussion and planning. You can also write in giant letters that are visible from 10-20 feet away. Good for IP and MAC addresses.

  224. USB Nic by ssand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A USB Nic can be pretty handy. If you ever have to get drivers and updates for a machine that doesn't have a nic, or doesn't have nic drivers it can save you some time. Also, have a phone line available to test a 56k modem. While they seem like a thing of the past, people still use them.

  225. Ceiling Mounted LCD's on a Pole by KE4SFQ · · Score: 1

    I am in the process of updating my workbench at work and am about to purchase one of these: http://www.ergoindemand.com/monitor_ceiling_mount_ duo.htm. This will allow one pole to come down in the center of the workbench and place 1 - 4 monitors on it that can be swiveled to the user. I am going to purchase 2 monitors for it and point one each direction from the center. Then each one will have a 4 port KVM switch.

    The other thing I use often is a laptop ide to standard IDE adapter. This allows you to put a laptop hard drive in a fullsize computer which is very helpful for troubleshooting and ghosting since laptops usually have slower processors and offbrand nic's.

  226. When I was a PC Repair Tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used to have as many monitors as we could, partly because it meant you could more fluidly work on more than one machine at a time (some "repairs" just involved basic software re-install).
    Plus at least 2 of every popular tool, because someone will always borrow one of them unexpectedly.
    One or two bare-metal motherboards and PSU's -- basically a stock (tested!!) MB screwed onto a plank of wood with various spare cards (e.g USB, VGA, IDE) and cables (IDE, Floppy), &c. so that you could plug in a card, HDD, etc, into it to double-check it.
    Plus, copies of Rescue/Install Floppies/CDs, etc. Though these were usually custom built for whatever task was appropriate.

    These days, my tech-bench is the extra space at the end of my desk, but still consists of a spare monitor, couple of keyboards and mice, the tools, but also a seperate, reliable Linux PC, a LAN connection, a IDE-USB convertor and copies of Knoppix and Gentoo Install CDs -- for system rescue -- and a serial cable and a null-modem/serial-cross cable, cause I also work on Unix Server H/W a lot these days, and most of this type of gear has a serial-console.

  227. Rack of tools, bin of bottles, etc. by whit3 · · Score: 1

    From a few years spent tech-ing, I'd say there's no more frequently used tool than frosty Scotch tape. Rip off a couple of inches, bend over a bit at the end (for a handle) and you have a removable label. Stick it on the components you yank, and write on it with a Sharpie (felt-tip fine point marker). Bingo, no more confusion over which memory you have tested and which you haven't. Remove the labels when the job's done, or leave 'em on the dead bits so your junk pile is documented. When the user wants to see the dead part, you're so ORGANIZED, even your mom would be proud.

            An early step is going to be visual inspection, so a small paint brush (to loosen the dust) and a vacuum (to remove it without putting your lungs at risk) are key. Get a jeweler's loupe. Seeing a scorch mark, a burn blister, or oozing capacitor is quicker than functional testing. In case of intermittent faults, ANYTHING is quicker than functional testing.

            We used Wiremold brand power strips (with one AC socket per 6 inches) on the leading edge of an above-bench shelf, always accessible. That was nearly enough.

            Keep some chemicals on hand; Caig Labs stuff for contact enhancement, methanol (or denatured ethanol) for most plastics, Windex (low-residue waterbase cleaner) for just about everything, threadlocker for hardware that isn't supposed to come loose, maybe MEK (lacquer thinner) to be applied with a small cotton swab away from plastic parts... And I presume any tech knows to have freeze mist and WD-40 and canned air (or a compressor and blowgun) around. Low-residue wetting agent (Kodak Photo-Flo) in few-drops-in-a-quart-of-water solution, and water soluble solder flux (apply with an artist's camel-hair brush) are useful. One odd item was brake fluid; it's formulated to be very friendly to rubber items, makes a great cleaner for rubber rollers and was VITAL in the old days with impact printers.

            Waterless handcleaner and a toothbrush will brighten up a case. Work it in, then let sit a few minutes before you wipe up. For a smoker's computer monitor, I've done wonders with a tiny bit of lye in soapy water (not for the metal or electronic parts). Gives you something to do while listening for hard disk misbehavior.

            Boxes or ashtrays or muffin tins for small parts, and a tool organizer/rack for all the most frequently used tools. Don't hide tools in a box unless they're used infrequently, or you need to drag 'em onsite.

                    Finally, we used a database to keep our notes, including the computer's serial number and customer contact info. It was a very fine way to look into the past history of a machine, and anyone who answered the phone could relay the job status after checking the database record.

  228. Re:The essentials- ground straps and precautions by whit3 · · Score: 1

    Grounding has to be ABSENT when working on high voltage (monitors or potentially backlights for LCDs), so the 'put grounding mats everywhere' approach is flawed. Keep ground straps around, and when reseating RAM use at least the left-hand-on-chassis precaution. No real need to be anal about it. While MOS inputs are sensitive, there are some ameliorating circumstances:
          (1) except for RAM and CPUs, the removable parts of a computer have I/O pins (with both a MOS input and a transistor OUTPUT connected together) and that means very little sensitivity to static. Video cards from the plastic bins at generic-salvage-mart usually work fine.
          (2) since the 1970s when static charge clobbered lots of expensive hardware, the manufacturers have learned to protect their products. It's normal to pass a 2000V static test (but they still don't recommend it).
          (3) many materials (cardboard, real wood, most kinds of paint) are static dissipative anyhow, and the exceptions (shoe soles, nylon carpet) react well to some coatings (spray-on Downy fabric softener is a common recommendation). Here in Seattle, we have humidity which helps, too.

            When a CDROM is packed in a sleeve with an antistatic precaution label on it, you KNOW something is over-the-top in the warnings about static. It's like the magnet I bought, that had a little pamphlet explaining it should always be used with eye protection... Electronic parts suppliers put warnings everywhere about static, just like machine tool suppliers put warnings everywhere about eyeshields. Those warnings often exceed the underlying dangers.

  229. My setup at work by therufus · · Score: 1

    I work at a computer store as a technician. We do all kinds of upgrades, installs, maintenance, etc. We have 4 test benches setup with 15", 17" and 19" monitors. Each bench has a keyboard, optical mouse, IEC power cable, phone line cable, network cable and speakers all bound together with plastic tubing.

    We also run a Windows (yes, everyone uses it - lets face it) server running XP with a large HDD in it. Removable rack ready for a customer's HDD and a DVD burner so we can backup customer's data before a reload.

    We have a central place for all our tools hung up on the wall.

    Hope this helps alot :D

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  230. Big bench by Barny · · Score: 1

    We service about 3-4 PCs a day where i work, 2 main techs and an extra (omg, our manager actually does work here :) ) this is the setup

    3 benches
    CRTs
    ps2 keyboards and MS optical mice
    phone leads to each desk
    net cable to each desk (10mb/s coz its all we got)
    A super long cross over cable to our main rig (1Gb/s cat6)
    3 cordless screwdrivers
    1 multimeter
    1 power supply "tester" with status lights for all rails
    1 usb-ide box, with a dvd burner that sits near it all the time

    on secondary bench we have crt and another ps2 rig, with 4port KVM, 1 phone lead, 2 lan cables

    Software is something we pride ourselves on, we build all our new PCs on this desk too and use a DVD to install windows (quite a bit faster), same disk also has all drivers, programs, etc needed to setup, repair, reinstall a pc. Few coppies of knoppix floating around too :)

    The usual bits go without saying of course, about 4 spare PSUs, 2-3 vid cards (pci, agp, pci-e), ram bucket :)

    Goodluck with the redesign :)

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  231. Firewall, Ice Cube trays, procedures & securi by parr · · Score: 1

    1) A firewall configured to block access from the work bench to the rest of your network, but still allow it to the internet (optionally with site or rate limiting) for patches etc.
    2) Ice Cube trays to hold the different sized small screws in order from dissassembly of things like notebooks.
    3) A small sized system connected to a wall mount LCD to read manuals from CD, PDFs or web HTML.
    4) A POTS line for modems -Sadly still occasionally needed.
    5) Large flash drive for holding critcal utilities, when the system won't read external media.
    6) Cheat sheet for startup key shortcuts for various manufacturers & OS. Entering CMOS on an old gateway. Boot into open firmware on a Mac. Password recovery on a Cisco, etc.
    7) A procedure and system to log actual time spent on the repair. Assuming that one is billing or accountable for their time.
    8) The ability to process credit cards. This enables one to get a deposit BEFORE upgrading a machine that is too old to cost effectively upgrade.
    9) A security system and procedures to minimise the possibility or your customers machines and data falling into someone elses hands.

  232. Tech Bench? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont need a tech bench, I work in a lab!

    I am a data recovery tech so beside me I have a cleanroom, on my desks (I have 3 desks in a horse-shoe) I have 6 PC's, a 4 port kvm, a 2 port KVM, a laptop, telephone, and a gazillion drives. Another bench I have a desoldering station + soldering iron + microscope, on another a mac and other junk, and then ....

  233. Never saw a TV repair bench? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    Was standard feature in every TV shop I ever worked in. It allowed you to watch the screen while making adjustments or tapping around to find a loose connection. For repairs on a console set in a customer's home, we used a small mirror on a tripod placed in front of the set.

    When working around 25,000 or so volts, you DON'T want to be reaching over the set to grope for a pot while watching the screen...

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  234. Dixie cups by DragonHawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget a bunch of dixie cups. I find the small (3 oz) plastic ones work best. Keep em stacked up in a nook that will keep them from falling over.

    What for? Easy: For parts. When you start taking something apart, put the bits in a dixie cup. When you move to the next level/layer/component, put a new cup in the old one. When you're done taking apart, put an empty cup in the top of the stack. Now you've got all the parts, in a nice neat stack, reasonably safe from spilling, at a cost so low it's almost free.

    Yah, you can use those fancy bins and trays and stuff, but this is so much cheaper and can actually work better. Takes up less space, sometimes, too.

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  235. High pressure air by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    Whatever you do, do NOT use an air compressor like you would use with power tools and/or to fill a tire. You'll blow components off boards and blades off fans that way."

    Bah! If it comes off, it must not have been very wall attached, and thus needed to be replaced anyway! ;-)

    Seriously, at my last job as an IT whore (AKA "consultant"), we had a "closet" for cleaning dust. It had compressed air, but on an adjustable regulator so you could pick a real light flow for delicate stuff, or heavy for that baked-on dust. We also had a nice exhaust fan to suck it all outside. That worked out so well.

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  236. Re:Multimeters... how? when? why? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

    People keep mentioning multimeters, but I don't see how they can be useful if you don't have schematics.

    Power supply voltages. Is your +5V output from your power supply really 5V or is it 4.5V?

    when it comes to something that is already put together and doesn't have schematics, damnit I'm lost.

    So sit down and draw some schematics. That's what I did when my speedometer quit working. Eventually I traced the problem to a bad $0.20 rectifier diode, but being able to look at the signal flow on paper made it easier to understand what was going on.

    But how do I know that isn't a symptom of some other issue elsewhere in the system.

    It's had to know for sure, but a lot of the trick is knowing what the individual parts should look like (electrically) and how they tend to fail.
    In your case I would guess three causes for the bad cap: Age, overvoltage, or reverse polartiry.
    So next you sit there and think of what might cause overvoltage (bad regulator) or reverse polarity (no obvious choice.. maybe the wrong wall wart got plugged into it).

    Or in a computer. How do you go through it and see anything useful? Or a radio or TV? It just seems impossible without schematics because you don't know the values you should be looking for or even when should those values appear on that circuit.

    You know what the deivce is supposed to do and you have the numbers on the parts (usually). Learn to read values off resistors and capacitors and look up datasheets for other parts online.

    For a basic intro I reccommend and of the books by Forrest Mims, especially "Getting Started in Electronics". Those books are generally very approachable.

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  237. So many types of screwheads by fciron · · Score: 1

    If you weren't aware of the many types of screwheads then you have not been reading /. with sufficient skepticism.

  238. This Advice Should be Saved... by JWedg · · Score: 1

    The serious lists of things needed on a tech bench that have been suggested are amazing!
    People differ significantly, but the overlap and original ideas for what makes it work for each individual should be saved...
    I write software, but occassionally have to tinker with hardware, and I expect to return to this list a number of times...

    I hope the /. archives last forever.
    Thanks guys.

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  239. The Ultimate Toolbox by csb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lots of good tool tips in this old article at Tom's Hardware Guide:

    http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20020820/index. html

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  240. Re:From my list of requirements for the ideal PCbe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote that.

  241. Mac Centric Bench by MacDaffy · · Score: 1

    LCD monitors (easier to move from bench to bench)
    Multimeter
    Extra sticks of GOOD memory
    PS/2 mice and keyboards
    ADB mice and keyboards
    USB mice and keyboards
    Crossover cables
    10/100 Ethernet connection
    Wireless network
    Black & Decker cordless screwdriver (articulated w/Torx, hex, & conventional bits)
    Jeweler's screwdriver sets (conventional and Torx)
    Grounding strap
    CRT discharge kit
    Mac OS disks from 7.1 to Tiger
    Apple Diagnostic Disk Set
    Norton SystemWorks (latest)
    TechTool Pro 4.0.5
    OnyX
    External FireWire/USB 2.0 DVD burner
    External FireWire/USB 2.0 hard drive
    WiebeTech IDE sleds (full-size and notebook)
    IDE drive with bootable 9.2.2 and Mac OS X build installed
    CD with draggable vanilla 9.2.2 System Folder
    USB Key Drive
    USB Wireless Adapter
    USB PCI card
    FireWire PCI card
    Serial ATA PCI card
    SCSI PCI card
    SCSI terminator
    External SCSI case
    Spare video cards (PCI & AGP)
    Screw organizer
    Magnetic retriever
    Claw retriever
    Motherboard batteries
    Well-lit loupe
    Laptop w/wireless for Service Manual reference
    Thermal grease/paste
    Compressed air
    Q-Tips
    90% Isopropyl alcohol
    Kapton tape
    Macintosh G4 Sawtooth (great for rescuing HD's from dead machines and backing up the contents. I use these because they're well-built, provide easy access to the inside, and boot into OS 9. They're also good for restoring machines via Target Mode)

  242. Emergency repair tool kit by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... which consists of a rabbit's foot, a magic wand, a crystal ball, and a hammer. A hand grenade is optional.

    (from the Repair FAQ)

  243. Mini-maglight by LPrecure · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most-used tool on our bench: Mini maglight flashlight (2-AA size). They come with a nylon holster, which can be easily attached to the bench.

  244. The Answer is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you have chosen:

    a. Apple: That means you are a person who loves to eat apples

    b. Banana: That means you are a person who loves to eat bananas

    c. Strawberry: That means you are a person who loves to eat strawberries

    d. Peach: That means you are a person who loves to eat peaches

    e. Orange: That means you are a person who loves to eat oranges

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  245. My Current Bench by WolfRune · · Score: 1

    Mine is relatively spartan at the moment, as I'm lacking extra monitors to...well, monitor my planned cluster. Mostly, its just parts, sorted by type (Optical storage, Magnetic Storage, etc.), and a thingy for small bits like LEDs and screws.

    Mind you, mine doubles as a location to strip down seriously damaged PCs for their functional components ;)

  246. Great setup from a past life by someothername · · Score: 1

    I worked as a tech years ago and when we moved the owner had three custom benches made. They were about 10' long and about 3' deep on either side so that you could have a tech working on each side. In the center there was a shelf about 2.5' up for monitors, and then up from that was another shelf for stuff. The riser in the middle had surge strips mounted on either side just above the main bench every foot or so. There were many points to attach a ground strap. These were excellent workspaces that made a great deal of difference. As far as stuff, a soldering iron, multimeter, lots of spare parts (boards, cables, screws, drives). We each supplied our own tools. Coffee pot near by, mini fridge, bottled water dispenser, tunes, small wharehouse nearby for all of the new equipment, equip. waiting to be repaired, and the stuff that was fixed. Computer for each tech with net access, etc. to write up tickets, look for symptoms on KB's, etc.

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  247. 4 Requirements by sanjed · · Score: 1

    Hammer Anvil Forge Workable Metal. You're going to need to work out your frustration somehow if you're fixing other peoples PCs. Why not do that in a productive way, and make a nice piece of Ironmongery.

  248. Dustbuster, Compressed Air, Small parts bins by tommy_traceroute · · Score: 1

    Seriously, the compressed air is a must, but your work area will quickly become unbearably disgusting unless you have a small vacuum (dustbuster) for getting rid of the larger wads of hair and crap that are usually nested in machines 3+ years old.

    A smallish "parts organizer" cabinet w/ removable drawers comes in handy, both for keeping track of small screws and such for the current project, as well as having a good assortment of extra odds-and-ends available. Get something with about twice as many drawers as you think you'll need - the empty ones fill up fast.

    In 6 years of freelance PC repair, all I've ever needed for tools are the pretty obvious ones:

    Screwdriver set, complete w/ torx bits, etc.
    Soldering iron
    KVM switch
    Desk lamp
    Large tweezers and/or small needle-nose pliers
    Knoppix CD
    A decent (~1.2GHz) mid-range test box with removable HD trays and CD/DVD burner

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