How would we know? This condition has never existed at any time in any place in human history.
Sure, it has, plenty of times when governments have been absent or purposely designed to be of a free nature. The most notable example of that would be Medieval Iceland, which lasted about 300 years, and may have lasted longer if the Catholic Church hadn't gained influence and imposed a system of taxation (tithe) on the people.
Yeah, if Oracle dual-licenses ZFS or OpenSolaris then there's all kind of interesting to be waged.
I'm surprised you've found Linux filesystems such comparatively poor performers, but that's good information to have. I live in a somewhat lower performance neighborhood, and would not have noticed this.
Yeah, I was astonished when I built my first server with this kind of setup. I've been building and selling ZFS storage servers since (mostly to back-end linux servers).
All this proves is that the moronic politcal machine has no idea how to conduct real world I.T. tests
In the first half of the last millennium we had this figured out. The government didn't try to keep up with commerce or technology, there was the Law Merchant to deal with that, they had their own courts, often overseen by professionals.
It seems to have worked for a few hundred years anyway. Our governments are still trying to figure out how to react to Napster. And now they're pretending to fight a cyber war and don't even have NANOG simulated? It's a Mad Hatter's tea party with grey suits.
Can somebody show me something good to come from the Oracle-Sun deal? Anything?
For whom? Oracle made the purchase, so that's the only place to look for benefits. They at least got hardware that could continue to scale their database for another few years while they retool to provide a hadoop-ish backend and a whole services organization. ZFS is nice to come along for the ride, but I doubt it figured heavily in the calculation (to me that's the nicest thing Sun had, but I didn't buy Sun so that doesn't matter).
simple mundane things like ethernet, sound, etc interfaces come with some sort of descriptors or standards which allow at least basic functionalities to be found more easily by an OS?
You're describing USB. Bluetooth adopted the USB driver model for this very reason.
USB3 can help on the low end, but something like USB profiles on PCIe might also be interesting given hardware encapsulation support.
There's really no good excuse for an x86 Unix to not have robust ETHERNET support.
Of course it has great ethernet support. But that's a layer above the NIC driver. And when a random Taiwanese chip vendor does a new rev, a compatible NIC driver doesn't fall out of the sky for any OS, it takes work, which can be easy or hard depending on the vendor.
Oh, for hardware vendors to support a handful of the most common non-Microsoft OS's.
the supposedly intractable licensing issues that prevent ZFS from being incorporated into the linux kernel? Is it still hopeless?
There are two problems:
1) CDDL code can't be integrated with GPL code due to license incompatibilities. That's the minor one. 2) Sun(Oracle) has a large patent portfolio on ZFS. You only get patent indemnification from Sun if you use their CDDL code. So, even though ZFS isn't a large code base, and a re-implementation is technically feasible, governments the world over may attack you on behalf of Sun/Oracle if you try it.
But even if you bold ZFS onto linux, which may be nice, the solaris kernel has additional efficiencies that make ZFS a win. I recently built a RAIDZ2 using commodity 7200RPM Seagate drives and it can write 750MB/s, without compression being on. I've never seen anywhere near that performance from a Linux install on the same kind of hardware. So, ZFS on Linux is also less interesting from the performance perspective - unless it's ZFS's "rampant layering violations" that make this performance possible. In that case then there's a real good debate to be had about the cost of those layers.
The hardware is NOT great stuff. It's a cheap china usb soundcard -> Phone interface. Granted you cant screw that up too badly, but it's not cisco enterprise quality Voip hardware.. it's very low cost consumer hardware.
Which means what in terms of use? Bad gain? Untenable echo? Impedence problems? Crackly sound?
Walt Mossberg's review said people he was talking to couldn't tell he wasn't on a landline, though I doubt Walt ever gets a random box off the warehouse shelf.
When script kiddies can invade government networks
There are different kinds of government networks, depending on the cost of keeping data secure or not.
I doubt they've invited the networks where the only way to get data across is with validating message-passing bridges. Windows networks IP-connected to the Internet, sure, those are built for convenience, not security.
No, as a kernel architect, who, to gain parity, are smart enough not to make the mistakes Linus did in his early years. So that you'd wind up with a 2.6.3x kernel at the end, not a 0.9, 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6.0x.
Since the Linux guys are all busy, they'd probably have to go raid Sun for developers - I don't think the world is lousy with experienced unemployed kernel architects. You might be able to divvy up the work among architects and grunt programmers, but at least double the estimate to average out the high end.
There's no point in economic estimates that pretend about non-existent surpluses, this is going to be an expensive recruiting effort.
You replied to a comment about Bill Clinton repealing the Glass-Steagel Act. If your comment was in an unrelated context, there was no indication of it.
I was thinking about it in just the opposite manner. If you have full-time government engineers, they're going to get out of date very fast not being on the teams that are pushing these new frontiers on a regular basis.
Better to get somebody fresh from the line who can actually understand the challenges and trade-offs that are made in safety software. But, then that role can be filled by consulting firms who sometimes do the software contracting for the car companies anyway.
So, a revolving door has advantages when cutting-edge software is the subject of inquiry.
Given all we've heard so far, who would really be surprised to have the "have you seen what Little Suzy wears to school? She was asking to be spied on." defense raised?
he irony of an institution that teaches the constitution
As a perspective on this, I learned in school that the Constitution grants rights, and given my experience with real humans this seems pretty pervasive. Even if they are teaching it, there are precious few who are actually understanding and teaching it correctly, so in a way it's not shocking that they didn't comprehend how reprehensible their behavior was.
I'm a small government guy by nature, but some regulations are always in order. Pure anarchy market forces lead to monopolies and cartels, and that's about it. Because predatory crooks rise to the top levels of giving orders.. and that's business and ggovernment, both.
No, governments create monopolies. You can't have a monopoly without government creating the conditions necessary to have one.
Corporations are a necessary precondition. We learned this from the British Empire, which is why corporations were all but banned except for limited times and for public good until the 1860's when John D. Rockefeller successfully lobbied for Standard Oil to be granted a permanent charter. And, along without other legislative assistance, this allowed it to become one of the biggest and baddest monopolies.
Look at this another way: how many new financial regulations were passed between Enron and the 2008 crash? The answer is "over 40,0000". Clearly one can't cry "under-regulation", though "mis-regulation" is certainly a valid hypothesis. But that's the case, you still have to solve the problem of corrupt governments that mis-regulate before you can expect 'proper' regulation, and that's so far elusive.
The free market may not lead to perfection, but it avoids wanton corruption if not crippled by inept governments.
What's really needed is to re-license the plant with a proviso for 3rd party supervision (to make sure the known leaks are fixed properly and that there aren't any more hidden issues) and string up the officials that lied.
Yeah, or even go one step further and re-license on the condition of a sale to another energy company. They need to have some consequences, but that proviso doesn't destroy the value to acquire, only the ability of Entergy to make further profits from it.
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How would we know? This condition has never existed at any time in any place in human history.
Sure, it has, plenty of times when governments have been absent or purposely designed to be of a free nature. The most notable example of that would be Medieval Iceland, which lasted about 300 years, and may have lasted longer if the Catholic Church hadn't gained influence and imposed a system of taxation (tithe) on the people.
Yeah, if Oracle dual-licenses ZFS or OpenSolaris then there's all kind of interesting to be waged.
I'm surprised you've found Linux filesystems such comparatively poor performers, but that's good information to have. I live in a somewhat lower performance neighborhood, and would not have noticed this.
Yeah, I was astonished when I built my first server with this kind of setup. I've been building and selling ZFS storage servers since (mostly to back-end linux servers).
All this proves is that the moronic politcal machine has no idea how to conduct real world I.T. tests
In the first half of the last millennium we had this figured out. The government didn't try to keep up with commerce or technology, there was the Law Merchant to deal with that, they had their own courts, often overseen by professionals.
It seems to have worked for a few hundred years anyway. Our governments are still trying to figure out how to react to Napster. And now they're pretending to fight a cyber war and don't even have NANOG simulated? It's a Mad Hatter's tea party with grey suits.
Can somebody show me something good to come from the Oracle-Sun deal? Anything?
For whom? Oracle made the purchase, so that's the only place to look for benefits. They at least got hardware that could continue to scale their database for another few years while they retool to provide a hadoop-ish backend and a whole services organization. ZFS is nice to come along for the ride, but I doubt it figured heavily in the calculation (to me that's the nicest thing Sun had, but I didn't buy Sun so that doesn't matter).
simple mundane things like ethernet, sound, etc interfaces come with some sort of descriptors or standards which allow at least basic functionalities to be found more easily by an OS?
You're describing USB. Bluetooth adopted the USB driver model for this very reason.
USB3 can help on the low end, but something like USB profiles on PCIe might also be interesting given hardware encapsulation support.
There's really no good excuse for an x86 Unix to not have robust ETHERNET support.
Of course it has great ethernet support. But that's a layer above the NIC driver. And when a random Taiwanese chip vendor does a new rev, a compatible NIC driver doesn't fall out of the sky for any OS, it takes work, which can be easy or hard depending on the vendor.
Oh, for hardware vendors to support a handful of the most common non-Microsoft OS's.
the supposedly intractable licensing issues that prevent ZFS from being incorporated into the linux kernel? Is it still hopeless?
There are two problems:
1) CDDL code can't be integrated with GPL code due to license incompatibilities. That's the minor one.
2) Sun(Oracle) has a large patent portfolio on ZFS. You only get patent indemnification from Sun if you use their CDDL code. So, even though ZFS isn't a large code base, and a re-implementation is technically feasible, governments the world over may attack you on behalf of Sun/Oracle if you try it.
But even if you bold ZFS onto linux, which may be nice, the solaris kernel has additional efficiencies that make ZFS a win. I recently built a RAIDZ2 using commodity 7200RPM Seagate drives and it can write 750MB/s, without compression being on. I've never seen anywhere near that performance from a Linux install on the same kind of hardware. So, ZFS on Linux is also less interesting from the performance perspective - unless it's ZFS's "rampant layering violations" that make this performance possible. In that case then there's a real good debate to be had about the cost of those layers.
The hardware is NOT great stuff. It's a cheap china usb soundcard -> Phone interface. Granted you cant screw that up too badly, but it's not cisco enterprise quality Voip hardware.. it's very low cost consumer hardware.
Which means what in terms of use? Bad gain? Untenable echo? Impedence problems? Crackly sound?
Walt Mossberg's review said people he was talking to couldn't tell he wasn't on a landline, though I doubt Walt ever gets a random box off the warehouse shelf.
When script kiddies can invade government networks
There are different kinds of government networks, depending on the cost of keeping data secure or not.
I doubt they've invited the networks where the only way to get data across is with validating message-passing bridges. Windows networks IP-connected to the Internet, sure, those are built for convenience, not security.
As a programmer?? Just... Silly.
No, as a kernel architect, who, to gain parity, are smart enough not to make the mistakes Linus did in his early years. So that you'd wind up with a 2.6.3x kernel at the end, not a 0.9, 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6.0x.
Since the Linux guys are all busy, they'd probably have to go raid Sun for developers - I don't think the world is lousy with experienced unemployed kernel architects. You might be able to divvy up the work among architects and grunt programmers, but at least double the estimate to average out the high end.
There's no point in economic estimates that pretend about non-existent surpluses, this is going to be an expensive recruiting effort.
WTF are you talking about?
You replied to a comment about Bill Clinton repealing the Glass-Steagel Act. If your comment was in an unrelated context, there was no indication of it.
Sounds good in theory, but has been proven to be unworkable in practice. So, what can we do that can actually get accomplished?
I was thinking about it in just the opposite manner. If you have full-time government engineers, they're going to get out of date very fast not being on the teams that are pushing these new frontiers on a regular basis.
Better to get somebody fresh from the line who can actually understand the challenges and trade-offs that are made in safety software. But, then that role can be filled by consulting firms who sometimes do the software contracting for the car companies anyway.
So, a revolving door has advantages when cutting-edge software is the subject of inquiry.
Destroy it immediately and enjoy your still-severe-but-less-damning-than-child-porn charges.
Yeah, 1 count of 'destroying evidence'....
Given all we've heard so far, who would really be surprised to have the "have you seen what Little Suzy wears to school? She was asking to be spied on." defense raised?
he irony of an institution that teaches the constitution
As a perspective on this, I learned in school that the Constitution grants rights, and given my experience with real humans this seems pretty pervasive. Even if they are teaching it, there are precious few who are actually understanding and teaching it correctly, so in a way it's not shocking that they didn't comprehend how reprehensible their behavior was.
Who doesn't understand that once the lawyers get involved, you shut the Hell up? What is wrong with these people?
It's the same kind of wooly-headed liberal thinking that leads to spying on kids in their homes (and being eaten). (apologies to Principal Snyder)
I'm a small government guy by nature, but some regulations are always in order. Pure anarchy market forces lead to monopolies and cartels, and that's about it. Because predatory crooks rise to the top levels of giving orders.. and that's business and ggovernment, both.
No, governments create monopolies. You can't have a monopoly without
government creating the conditions necessary to have one.
Corporations are a necessary precondition. We learned this from the British Empire, which is why corporations were all but banned except for limited times and for public good until the 1860's when John D. Rockefeller successfully lobbied for Standard Oil to be granted a permanent charter. And, along without other legislative assistance, this allowed it to become one of the biggest and baddest monopolies.
Look at this another way: how many new financial regulations were passed between Enron and the 2008 crash? The answer is "over 40,0000". Clearly one can't cry "under-regulation", though "mis-regulation" is certainly a valid hypothesis. But that's the case, you still have to solve the problem of corrupt governments that mis-regulate before you can expect 'proper' regulation, and that's so far elusive.
The free market may not lead to perfection, but it avoids wanton corruption if not crippled by inept governments.
Its different in that they let me use it.
It works for me on my Comcast line and not on my Level 3 line.
I bet you hate homophones too. I don't - some of my best friends sound the same.
That's brilliant, is it yours?
Super, that's great news.
How is this different from any other ISP's DNS server (except the payload size)?
What's really needed is to re-license the plant with a proviso for 3rd party supervision (to make sure the known leaks are fixed properly and that there aren't any more hidden issues) and string up the officials that lied.
Yeah, or even go one step further and re-license on the condition of a sale to another energy company. They need to have some consequences, but that proviso doesn't destroy the value to acquire, only the ability of Entergy to make further profits from it.
Your ideas are good, but it's easier for Apple to declare, "All apps must comply with current and future policies of the AppStore."
No, but seriously, I want to invest in your interesting iPhone app business...
Are the Comcast DNS servers still redirecting mistyped domains to advertising servers?
no (at least not yet):
$host noob.floop.zop 75.75.75.75
Using domain server:
Name: 75.75.75.75
Address: 75.75.75.75#53
Aliases:
Host noob.floop.zop not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)