All this air stuff is awesome, but the guys on the ground could still use a device that can detect a buried pipe bomb from a safe distance.
Not quite sure of my own reasoning on this yet, but we need to at least recognize the danger of making war too safe for any party. It doesn't seem too far off that we could replace foot soldiers with ground-based drones, and station our troops out of DC metro, with time after a raid on [insert 3rd world village] to make the kids' soccer game and have some pizza over Idol.
Remember, we put a politician in charge of our military and historically the human cost of going to war has always had to be contemplated. When an entity (be it a politician, a party, a country, an alliance) can conquer another without loss of life (on its side, of course), it'll likely become too alluring. We already have a problem with empire-building tendencies with the status quo.
That's at least as old as Dunkirk and as recent as the US invasion of Iraq.
When the US invaded Iraq, it sent gunships in at low altitude to take out the anti-aircraft, then it sent in aircraft to bomb the way clear for the ground force.
Yes, good job, I'd already seen all of that. The "Fleet Modernization" is dead, it was changed to something else. So are you really going to focus on the fact that "Fleet Moderinization" was in the title, rather than what the bill actually says? Really, what the hell is your point?
My point was that the stated purpose of the bill was to improve the environmental impact of the national fleet - I stated this, and you refuted, "your talk of fleets is irrelevant". I've proven the intent of the bill.
Well what the fuck was your point about "fleet moderization?" Who the fuck cars what the bill USED to be called in a form that WAS NEVER PASSED? Christ you've wasted all this time arguing when we already were talking about the same fucking program?
This is what I've been telling you and you're refusing to believe. It was designed to improve the environmental impact of the national fleet and as an economic stimulus. Where you got some idea about corporate customers I'll never know, but seeing as you previously accused me of not comprehending the issues, you'd do well to understand the terminology on the issue, which is what I was attempting to help.
Apperently you are not, since you can only link to articles written when the program just ended.
That was your bone of contention - that when the program ended the inventories were not going to be replenished. I proved that to be incorrect. No more current article would be better, the decision point in question occurred at the end of the c4c program. If you had some further information that those decisions were subsequently countermanded, then, sure that would be useful, but surely you're not expecting me to prove that those decisions weren't countermanded?
But please, show me ANYTHING that backs up your claim that every car sold resulted in a new car being built.
That wasn't my claim, I claimed the popular models would be.
Remember, some people were going to buy cars anyway, and its for these people that the cars are being built now.
Exactly, that's where the Edmunds 125,000 number comes from, as previously cited.
The machine is sub-par.... slow and I have dumpster diven machines that are better than it. The Atom is not worth its money. It might be because I run Linux (Ubuntu 9.10, by now), but if people really think Atom powered laptops are enough, they are mistaken. I have an original Asus EEE 701, and it fares better than the crap I type on now.
FWIW, most binary OS's are poorly optimized for Atom. Fedora 12, for one, will default gcc to -mtune=atom for i686 builds. Gentoo might do better too.
I'm using Fedora 11 now, and it's pretty slow - only the battery life of this machine makes it worthwhile.
Yes, please read that link. Scroll down to section 'legislative history', fourth paragraph. Notice this is Betty Sutton's bill. She got it passed on HR2454 on May 19th. Here's John Dingell congratulating her about "Fleet Modernization/Cash for Clunkers". Check that previous link I sent you to her website - as of May 21st, it was pulled as an amendment and offered as its own bill, HR 2640, which was re-introduced as HR 2751, which Wikipedia verifies as the CARS program. Go ahead and compare the bills, there are some minor changes (always are if the bill number changes), but it's the same bill.
Do you understand that article? It says that the booked revenue in GDP was inflated due to the Cash for Clunkers sales. It does not refute the source I showed you that the auto manufacturers were ramping up production to back-fill inventory due to C4C, which was counter to your claim. Manufacturing activity would not be booked as GDP revenue.
I'm quite fond of SF but let's keep it out of the discussion. We're only begining to understand the mechanisms of aging, there was a very major prize handed out this year on that topic if you recall. We are nowhere near the point where we can say anything at all about the possibilities of extension of human life.
The telomere work, like most Nobel prizes, is not new work. The research happened 30 years ago, and we currently know how to lengthen telomeres, at least in worms. They live about 20% longer.
Betting against advancements in medical technology would seem to be the unwise option. Of course, when 20% of the baby boomers live to 120, the whole system collapses, so maybe best to just keep quiet on the matter.
See above. Let me ask you, when you are old and worthless and drooling, are you going to gladly give up your healthcare?
When we reach that age we're not going to have a choice, the system is beyond bankrupt even without gene therapy. Maybe the Singularity will have occurred by then, that's all we've got.
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?
Lots of ads I see on TV say, "available for iPhone and Blackberry". If that changes to "Android and Blackberry", then maybe. It seems unlikely in the near future.
what he was really doing who should take the blame for the failure that killed people, not the computer.
Or, y'know, call me crazy, but maybe we should blame the Iraqi government for launching the missiles with intent to kill civilians? That Patriot did any good at all (if it did) is just added good fortune.
I still think that truly deep space exploration will require artificial gravity (i.e., spinning spacecraft), but this sounds like FUD to justify research funds to me.
I've heard it told (though IANAA) that being sensitive to smells isn't a qualifier for spaceflight. Adults wearing diapers, zero-G toilets, no showers.
No wonder there are problems with the same challenges as basic hygiene.
KDE's Okular does speech synthesis and has a high-contrast mode.
yet can't output PS that my Brother BRScript can handle (Evince does OK).
All of the open source PDF readers have come a long way in recent years - my only point is that PDF appears to be *hard* to implement. I don't know why somebody would need to, but my imagination is limited. Should a file format essential to government be such a hurdle to potential users?
"Last year, Californians sent nearly $20 billion more to Washington in federal taxes than the state received back in federal spending. The stateâ(TM)s 1998 deficit of $19.4 billion marked the largest such imbalance for any single state in the history of the nation, eclipsing the previous record of $14.3 billion, set also by California in 1997"
Yeah, that's the point of re-distributionist tax policy. Do the Californians complaining about it also support a repeal of the 16th Amendment?
The status quo seems only inevitable and right to them, the natural order of things, and anyone who protests it is an impractical dreamer who should get a job or a malcontent who needs to be medicated
Wait, so it's the conservatives who are leading the campaign to control the atmosphere of the planet to exact ppm levels of CO2 pegged to current levels?
It's the conservatives who mandate the number of children that people can have so the population doesn't change?
It's the conservatives who decide that people need to be relieved of their earnings to be given to a central power to dole out uniformly?
It's the conservatives who decide that people need to build buildings all the same way, use land all the same way (or not use it at all), build certain kinds and colors of houses in certain places, property rights not withstanding?
You're making a good argument against authoritarianism, but don't be fooled by those who are trying to convince you that "the [L,R] is evil", that's just playing their game.
In essence, uTorrent connects to clients randomly, and makes no attempt to prioritize "nearby" clients.
You might be interested in this thread I started on the topic in '05 - it covers some pros and cons. My intent at the time was to avoid the whole problem we wound up with at Comcast (that took the FCC to fix). Somebody mentioned to me once that there was a problem with traceroute on Windows, not sure if that's really true.
where the only thing you can change is where the numbers are placed and what the handset looks like. Maybe I'm missing the point, but how does this benefit anyone?
Are you old enough to remember when we had to rent phones from the telephone company? When you couldn't go to an electronics store and by the phone you want? Suffice it to say, the Bell phones stunk, if you wanted to do anything but what they expected you to (the quality was great for sitting at a desk and talking). My childhood friends' mothers all had 50' handset coil cords and these soft plastic cushions glued on the back so they could talk while working in the kitchen. Today, cordless/headset is a no-brainer.
Skype's echo cancellation on non-headsets is fantastic. I can just sit in front of a laptop and talk without any tuning. Once OSS gets there it will be 'good enough' and disrupt Skype, but until then, better to have the option of using a decent client.
To save you the trouble, "Cash for Clunkers" is the colloquial name for the Sutton Fleet Modernization Amendment.
do you really think they were pumping out more cars to meet the demand here? Also, check you facts again.
This is all I've been asking as well. To save you the trouble of searching again:
More importantly, the new projection is that this will sustain the increase in GDP in Q4 as production is hiked to refill some of those inventories. On the jobs front, the DOT said this will have created or saved roughly 42,000 jobs in the second half of 2009 as Ford, GM, and Honda have announced production hikes.
*sigh* Please work on comprehension. Only individuals could take advantage of cash for clunkers... so your talk of "fleets" is not relevent.
Do you know what the Sutton Fleet Modernization Amendment is?
You act as if popular cars were unaffected by the recession. You also act as if the number of cars built is anywhere near the amount sold.
The Edmunds report concludes 125,000 cars were sold that would not have otherwise been. I'd have to check if production is lower than that across the industry since then, but I'd be very surprised if it's not.
I'm not quite sure I understand your point. Are you saying that Obama is better because he intentionally violates the Constitution, while Bush just did it through ignorance?
Likely more dangerous - if one is intent on subversion he will develop a strategy.
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Not quite sure of my own reasoning on this yet, but we need to at least recognize the danger of making war too safe for any party. It doesn't seem too far off that we could replace foot soldiers with ground-based drones, and station our troops out of DC metro, with time after a raid on [insert 3rd world village] to make the kids' soccer game and have some pizza over Idol.
Remember, we put a politician in charge of our military and historically the human cost of going to war has always had to be contemplated. When an entity (be it a politician, a party, a country, an alliance) can conquer another without loss of life (on its side, of course), it'll likely become too alluring. We already have a problem with empire-building tendencies with the status quo.
When the US invaded Iraq, it sent gunships in at low altitude to take out the anti-aircraft, then it sent in aircraft to bomb the way clear for the ground force.
Yes, good job, I'd already seen all of that. The "Fleet Modernization" is dead, it was changed to something else. So are you really going to focus on the fact that "Fleet Moderinization" was in the title, rather than what the bill actually says? Really, what the hell is your point?
My point was that the stated purpose of the bill was to improve the environmental impact of the national fleet - I stated this, and you refuted, "your talk of fleets is irrelevant". I've proven the intent of the bill.
Well what the fuck was your point about "fleet moderization?" Who the fuck cars what the bill USED to be called in a form that WAS NEVER PASSED? Christ you've wasted all this time arguing when we already were talking about the same fucking program?
This is what I've been telling you and you're refusing to believe. It was designed to improve the environmental impact of the national fleet and as an economic stimulus. Where you got some idea about corporate customers I'll never know, but seeing as you previously accused me of not comprehending the issues, you'd do well to understand the terminology on the issue, which is what I was attempting to help.
Apperently you are not, since you can only link to articles written when the program just ended.
That was your bone of contention - that when the program ended the inventories were not going to be replenished. I proved that to be incorrect. No more current article would be better, the decision point in question occurred at the end of the c4c program. If you had some further information that those decisions were subsequently countermanded, then, sure that would be useful, but surely you're not expecting me to prove that those decisions weren't countermanded?
But please, show me ANYTHING that backs up your claim that every car sold resulted in a new car being built.
That wasn't my claim, I claimed the popular models would be.
Remember, some people were going to buy cars anyway, and its for these people that the cars are being built now.
Exactly, that's where the Edmunds 125,000 number comes from, as previously cited.
Yes, this is exactly right. The people who should be the biggest supporters of this technology should be those who don't care to use it.
The machine is sub-par.... slow and I have dumpster diven machines that are better than it. The Atom is not worth its money. It might be because I run Linux (Ubuntu 9.10, by now), but if people really think Atom powered laptops are enough, they are mistaken. I have an original Asus EEE 701, and it fares better than the crap I type on now.
FWIW, most binary OS's are poorly optimized for Atom. Fedora 12, for one, will default gcc to -mtune=atom for i686 builds. Gentoo might do better too.
I'm using Fedora 11 now, and it's pretty slow - only the battery life of this machine makes it worthwhile.
Um, no, that's another program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System [wikipedia.org] or CARS. THATS cash for clunkers.
Yes, please read that link. Scroll down to section 'legislative history', fourth paragraph. Notice this is Betty Sutton's bill. She got it passed on HR2454 on May 19th. Here's John Dingell congratulating her about "Fleet Modernization/Cash for Clunkers". Check that previous link I sent you to her website - as of May 21st, it was pulled as an amendment and offered as its own bill, HR 2640, which was re-introduced as HR 2751, which Wikipedia verifies as the CARS program. Go ahead and compare the bills, there are some minor changes (always are if the bill number changes), but it's the same bill.
The full title of HR2751, aka CARS aka C4C, is: To accelerate motor fuel savings nationwide and provide incentives to registered owners of high polluting automobiles to replace such automobiles with new fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles.
But please, feel free to check out the offical site and show me where it says businesses are eligible for the rebate: http://www.cars.gov/ [cars.gov]
Who ever said anything about businesses?
If you've been curious, why have you wanted until now to search?
Eh? I'm well aware of the issues, I was giving you some links since you couldn't find the first hit on Google.
But let me do some searching for you and point you to an article thats NOT three months old already: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQcFan9QMe0k [bloomberg.com]
Do you understand that article? It says that the booked revenue in GDP was inflated due to the Cash for Clunkers sales. It does not refute the source I showed you that the auto manufacturers were ramping up production to back-fill inventory due to C4C, which was counter to your claim. Manufacturing activity would not be booked as GDP revenue.
I'm quite fond of SF but let's keep it out of the discussion. We're only begining to understand the mechanisms of aging, there was a very major prize handed out this year on that topic if you recall. We are nowhere near the point where we can say anything at all about the possibilities of extension of human life.
The telomere work, like most Nobel prizes, is not new work. The research happened 30 years ago, and we currently know how to lengthen telomeres, at least in worms. They live about 20% longer.
Betting against advancements in medical technology would seem to be the unwise option. Of course, when 20% of the baby boomers live to 120, the whole system collapses, so maybe best to just keep quiet on the matter.
See above. Let me ask you, when you are old and worthless and drooling, are you going to gladly give up your healthcare?
When we reach that age we're not going to have a choice, the system is beyond bankrupt even without gene therapy. Maybe the Singularity will have occurred by then, that's all we've got.
Wondering why SEC is not regulating the market capitalization of listed companies while FED is regulating the reserve ratio of all banks?
because it benefits the incumbent politicians? Sorry for the generic answer.
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?
Lots of ads I see on TV say, "available for iPhone and Blackberry". If that changes to "Android and Blackberry", then maybe. It seems unlikely in the near future.
what he was really doing who should take the blame for the failure that killed people, not the computer.
Or, y'know, call me crazy, but maybe we should blame the Iraqi government for launching the missiles with intent to kill civilians? That Patriot did any good at all (if it did) is just added good fortune.
I still think that truly deep space exploration will require artificial gravity (i.e., spinning spacecraft), but this sounds like FUD to justify research funds to me.
I've heard it told (though IANAA) that being sensitive to smells isn't a qualifier for spaceflight. Adults wearing diapers, zero-G toilets, no showers.
No wonder there are problems with the same challenges as basic hygiene.
KDE's Okular does speech synthesis and has a high-contrast mode.
yet can't output PS that my Brother BRScript can handle (Evince does OK).
All of the open source PDF readers have come a long way in recent years - my only point is that PDF appears to be *hard* to implement. I don't know why somebody would need to, but my imagination is limited. Should a file format essential to government be such a hurdle to potential users?
"Last year, Californians sent nearly $20 billion more to Washington in federal taxes than the state received back in federal spending. The stateâ(TM)s 1998 deficit of $19.4 billion marked the largest such imbalance for any single state in the history of the nation, eclipsing the previous record of $14.3 billion, set also by California in 1997"
Yeah, that's the point of re-distributionist tax policy. Do the Californians complaining about it also support a repeal of the 16th Amendment?
The status quo seems only inevitable and right to them, the natural order of things, and anyone who protests it is an impractical dreamer who should get a job or a malcontent who needs to be medicated
Wait, so it's the conservatives who are leading the campaign to control the atmosphere of the planet to exact ppm levels of CO2 pegged to current levels?
It's the conservatives who mandate the number of children that people can have so the population doesn't change?
It's the conservatives who decide that people need to be relieved of their earnings to be given to a central power to dole out uniformly?
It's the conservatives who decide that people need to build buildings all the same way, use land all the same way (or not use it at all), build certain kinds and colors of houses in certain places, property rights not withstanding?
You're making a good argument against authoritarianism, but don't be fooled by those who are trying to convince you that "the [L,R] is evil", that's just playing their game.
Turned out their MP3 archive was one big massive copyright law violation.
what would have happened if they ripped each customer's CD onto a back-end server employing data-deduplication?
There's a very slippery slope here among copyright, caching, compression, and de-duplication.
But most people might be on space colonies before that scenario becomes likely.
If we're lucky it might stave off the next Ice Age, due to begin this millennium. Then we have 10,000 years to figure the rest out.
In essence, uTorrent connects to clients randomly, and makes no attempt to prioritize "nearby" clients.
You might be interested in this thread I started on the topic in '05 - it covers some pros and cons. My intent at the time was to avoid the whole problem we wound up with at Comcast (that took the FCC to fix). Somebody mentioned to me once that there was a problem with traceroute on Windows, not sure if that's really true.
where the only thing you can change is where the numbers are placed and what the handset looks like. Maybe I'm missing the point, but how does this benefit anyone?
Are you old enough to remember when we had to rent phones from the telephone company? When you couldn't
go to an electronics store and by the phone you want? Suffice it to say, the Bell phones stunk, if you wanted to do anything but what they expected you to (the quality was great for sitting at a desk and talking). My childhood friends' mothers all had 50' handset coil cords and these soft plastic cushions glued on the back so they could talk while working in the kitchen. Today, cordless/headset is a no-brainer.
Skype's echo cancellation on non-headsets is fantastic. I can just sit in front of a laptop and talk without any tuning. Once OSS gets there it will be 'good enough' and disrupt Skype, but until then, better to have the option of using a decent client.
Given that I can find no information that it has yet passed, I really again fail to see your point.
Wow, really? The very first hit from Google?
To save you the trouble, "Cash for Clunkers" is the colloquial name for the Sutton Fleet Modernization Amendment.
do you really think they were pumping out more cars to meet the demand here? Also, check you facts again.
This is all I've been asking as well. To save you the trouble of searching again:
I'd have to check if production is lower than that across the industry since then, but I'd be very surprised if it's not.
errr "... higher".
*sigh* Please work on comprehension. Only individuals could take advantage of cash for clunkers... so your talk of "fleets" is not relevent.
Do you know what the Sutton Fleet Modernization Amendment is?
You act as if popular cars were unaffected by the recession. You also act as if the number of cars built is anywhere near the amount sold.
The Edmunds report concludes 125,000 cars were sold that would not have otherwise been. I'd have to check if production is lower than that across the industry since then, but I'd be very surprised if it's not.
Well, the 'P' and 'Z' keys are practically right next to each other.
hey, there must be some alternate keyboard-layout where that's true!
Unfortunately, I must honestly settle on 'addle-mindedness'.
I'm not quite sure I understand your point. Are you saying that Obama is better because he intentionally violates the Constitution, while Bush just did it through ignorance?
Likely more dangerous - if one is intent on subversion he will develop a strategy.
that over a field in AZ
um, blame the cold meds. PA. :P