Come on,/.! You're missing the obvious. Spin this as a social justice troll FEEL GUILTY issue.
Ada, Countess of Lovelace, Enchantress of Numbers; Rear Admiral Hopper, Pirate Queen (yarr!), Lady of the Nanosecond (ok, I'm just making shit up now); Alan Turing, and Hedy Lamarr are right there in TFA, but they don't make it into the summary!? Instead we just get a bunch of cis het white (performing type promotion Indian to white for Ratan Tata) misogynerds!
I mean, ok, Dice, I get the cloud and Bill Gates wunderkind angle. Oh, I get it. It's turkey day today. (Giving thanks? WTF. I've got mine, fuck you. I'm the very image of a modern Randian bootstrapper!) I guess I have to wait until tomorrow for SJW* Friday. (Warning: based on gas prices I haven't seen since I got my operator's license, mentat computations derive extremely bad luck around 7:00 am EST for tomorrow. Outlook bad. We might not get SJW Friday tomorrow, but something much worse.)
Ok, to be serious for a moment, I'd invite Lovelace, Hopper, Curie (they can both come over--I've got some RadAway they could use), and Harriet Tubman--who I recently learned through Drunken History was more epic than I had imagined.
Well, there goes the meager karma I'd acquired on this UID!
Sweet, yet another tiling window manager. I love the concept of a tiling window manager, but none since I think it was ion2 have really captivated me. xmonad was extensible like nothing else, but needing to know Haskell was quite the learning curve. Ratpoison is nice because it feels like GNU Screen, but it just isn't the right fit for me.
I'll have to give this one a try once I get tired of Fallout. The goals looks promising but the web design style and youtube videos all over the place are kind of a red flag, but don't judge a book by its cover I guess. Thanks for the link, AC.
In fact, start over from scratch without Poettering.
I understand there are some legitimate needs for a "modern" desktop that systemd is attempting to fill. I've also heard that it will allow Linux to run on devices like phones and tablets with far fewer headaches.
But yes, kick out Poettering, and give me something designed and written by competent developers.
Ugh, pulseaudio is still wonky? Last time I used it, back when OSS was the thing before we all switched ALSA, I couldn't for the life of me get it to work with less than about a whole second or two of lag. I always used ESD. ARts seemed to suffer from lag also if I remember correctly, but then again it was more than just an audio muxer (and yet on that point JACK can do all kinds of crap in near real time, used it as a stand-in all-purpose set of floor pedals when I tried learning guitar).
I might try systemd at some point just to see whether it's as bad as I've heard, but when I first heard of systemd, my reaction was pretty much "some guy who can't write a sound daemon is going to try to replace init?!" Then replace the logger. Then hoover up getty and replace login?! WTF!
While Betteridge would suggest we're all doomed, 2016 is almost here, and I'll be running Gentoo with XFCE and the section in my package masks marked "# poettering" that's kept me Poettering-free since this mess got started for the foreseeable future.
In fact, I gave Enlightenment E19 a spin a few months ago, and even though it says it depends on systemd, it worked fairly well for me without systemd. I don't think it even pulled in systemd-shim, either. I might need to double-check that.
Really, though, even if XFCE, Enlightment, Mate, and all the full blown DEs go full systemd retard, there's still, oh, IceWM, xmonad, RatPoison, Window Maker, FVWM, awesome, you name it. I just listed the ones I could remember using off the top of my head. I know I've used more.
I can see you, lmao, holding the camera shooting a Pr0N flick or something
On an odd sidenote, I might actually do this. I have been wanting a pr0n flick that had some actual plot, possibly a gender change at some point, consensual of course. There are many themes to explore here. I hate this plague of non-consensual gender (and species!) changes that has established itself in the TF community.
In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable.
Same AC that posted the sibling comment. (Well, I guess I'm not AC any more!)
The evidence is conflicting. All I'm able to find is hearsay. Would you please provide evidence that Randi is trans?
Here's where I display a bit of bigotry. If she's not trans, I don't give a fuck about her. Being a woman does not preclude one from being an asshole. Brianna Wu is a woman who is an asshole, but I single her out because she is trans. I am very uncomfortable with what such a troll as that asshole can do to all trans women. I was shocked at the deluge of ACs misgendering Wu during the interview threads.
I think Brianna Wu and Randi here can die in a fire, regardless of cis- this or trans- that. I single out Wu because I wish 1.) she would be honest about her history and not go "eww, why would I want to hang out with a bunch of transsexuals?" I get her sentiment--I even agree that in a perfect world, no, we wouldn't need trans- this and cis- that. I don't live in that world, and neither does that bitch. 2.) she would shut up with her lies and bullshit. I've noticed backlash against transgendered people I have never observed before in the past few years. Wu and her ilk are the cause of it.
To be clear: being a woman or being trans does not put one above reproach or above being an asshole. However, being trans was beginning to be tentatively accepted by the mainstream. Then came Obamacare. Then came anti-gamergate. I feel assholes like Wu (and Randi here if you can provide proof) need to be publicly outed and denounced by trans women at large, as much as I would normally find the outing of a trans woman abhorrent.
Interesting times call for interesting measures, I guess. I'm just trying to be practical. Feel free to flame me here.
finding out years after I'd graduated that the district's "first" computer club was founded by a bright young woman, that is no small thing. In fact, I did get worked up about it when I found out.
I got worked up because had I been given proper credit for what I did, starting a computer club, that would be something to put on a resume. The young woman? I don't know her, but hopefully she's a geek and a good-type hacker, so I guess more power to her.
I'm just not the kind of person to roll over and let somebody else take undeserved credit. Well, I suppose credit is due where credit is due. Because of her gender, she was able to get through whatever the "proper channels" were for founding a club, whereas I got sandbagged, gaslighted, and ultimately accused of felony computer misuse because I didn't "go through the proper channels." I went to my homeroom teacher, and I put my faith in her that she knew what the "proper channels" were. The next year, the computer club's patron teacher was, well, what we call SJWs now, frankly, looking back. What a lesson a year and a half later when we were shut down and then a decade later when I found out about the founder of the district's "first" computer club!
To answer AmiMoJo's question and your point, it would have been small claims court likely for perhaps a thousand or two for property destruction--nothing extravagant like Clock Boy here. I like how AmiMoJo didn't read the part where I mentioned the teacher was apologetic when she realized what she had done. I decided to forgive her and move on.
The other incident, the one I suspect was blatant gender discrimination, was completely unrelated. Heh, perhaps I should have just replied to AmiMoJo instead, but that would be straying from why I registered an account again. To answer his concern that I'm the type of person that gets worked up over nothing, I'd like to think I'm not.
Going through the effort to start an after school computer club, having it shut down by lying assholes threatening felony prosecution, and finding out years after I'd graduated that the district's "first" computer club was founded by a bright young woman, that is no small thing. In fact, I did get worked up about it when I found out. But that was over two decades ago.
Oh, and regarding the computer club incident, having school officials blatantly lie to one's parents is also no small thing. So yes, I did get worked up about that as well. I'll bet the asshole administrators were disappointed that my parents didn't ground me for life lol.
(Truth be told, at that time in my life, I was too naive to suspect I had just become an early victim of "two wrongs make a right" sexism.)
Of course, since I'm just a dirty, mentally ill trans woman, I'm sure none of that would register for AmiMoJo had I responded to him. I just wanted to clarify.
I am aware, but thanks anyway. SJWs like AmiMoJo are why I registered an account again. The red site might be where we all wind up in the long run, but for now, the discussion is here. I left after Slashcott when the red site became stable. (Well, actually/. didn't go in my hosts file until we got Brianna Wu's answers to our interview questions.) When I learned that one of my best apprentices was a feminist I kind of had a moment where up was down, left was right, short was long, and everything I knew was wrong, so I scrambled my password and email on both sites. I wound up learning that Amazon feminism is a thing, but I don't know much about it other than that, well, it exists. So, long story short, I can't prove I'm the UID in my signature, but please take my word for it. (If you have sigs disabled, this is the old trans- this cis- that 6 digit UID poster known as velex.)
What I hope to eventually elicit out of AmiMoJo or some other SJW (entrap him/her into?) is an opinion on the fact that one of the best hackers I know, who happens to be a woman and trans, was fired for being trans and cannot find any more work. She pretty much taught me how to use Javascript correctly (and could probably school any of these SJW punks in using Javascript correctly, safely, and efficiently any day of the week). In fact, she did not even think being trans had anything to do with it until myself and another of her friends pointed out that the things she had been telling us that had been going down about a week or two before she was shitcanned by an asshole executive wasn't proof but a strong indication that there was discrimination afoot.
I also want to know what the SJWs would say to me. My own transition has been on pause for over a decade, but I intend to finally resume it by preparing to be out of the workforce for a while and changing jobs. However, all of this shit, and the realization that transphobia is alive and well among SJWs (unless transphobia is the thing of the week for us to FEEL GUILTY about, but oh, let's give a big name trans woman an award for fucking taking her meds and putting on a dress and problem solved! [Caitlyn Jenner, nothing against her personally unlike my ire at Brianna Wu and the misgendering her shit started from the ACs here.]).
Well, all of this shit has chased me out of tech on the date in about two years when I change my name and begin living full time as a woman. If I need to change jobs to transition (wanting to avoid the bunch of drama I know will ensue from the older women where I work), well, why the fuck not change careers if being assigned the male gender at birth and being in tech automatically makes me a misogynerd.
At this point, flipping burgers looks like a better career than tech. If that changes in two or three years' time, I'll reconsider, but I'm not optimistic.
(It turns out the nurse shortage is so real that they are actually trying to fix this gripe, and salaries are rising as one would expect in response to the demand, unlike in a certain industry. Iow, you're not necessarily wrong in a general sense, but please choose a different example. The are so many to choose from!)
Fair point for nursing. That is becoming less of a problem. See homecare providers also. I somehow got on a mailing list for a local nursing/homecare association, and they even have a spotlight for men in those professions.
If women want a STEM career they will get one. Clearly they don't want them.
This is so mind numbingly stupid, yet brought up in every debate on the subject, that I can't even be bothered to refute it any more.
Would you please help me to understand why this is mind-numbingly stupid? Up above I talked about my various experiences mentoring women programmers. One was quite brilliant. However, the only woman I know personally who does programming outside of work is trans. There is something going on here, and it seems that the assertion should be more specific: "cisgendered women don't want STEM careers."
That tells me, unlike other people unconsciously blabbering this whole "women are different" axiom, that the problem is social. The problem could be fixed. I'll be blunt: would a world where women may be circumcised at birth, are generally viewed as expendable, are required to sign up for selective service/be drafted, have to worry about being stuck making alimony payments if married or considered being in a common law marriage, have lives that can be completely ruined at the mere accusation of rape or sexual harassment, etc, a world with absolute gender equality, have this problem?
Additionally, I'm having troubles seeing barriers outside of a lack of jobs and asshole gaslighting managers for programming in particular. A couple weeks ago I got a sort of "I wanna be a programmer!" from of one of the line workers, so I told her about code.org, recommended Ruby or Python, and let her know another good learning experience is installing a Linux, even recommended Linux from Scratch when she was comfortable with a command line. I haven't received any follow-up questions. Either that means she's a genius hacker and has grokked things that took me a good 6 months to even figure out when I first started messing around with Linux, or by "I wanna be a programmer!" she meant that she wanted a job like mine. Job being the key word.
If could magically create 3 programming jobs out of thin air, I could, right now, at this very moment, fill them with that trans hacker I know who, you guessed it, was fired by a gaslighting asshole executive, and two black women who have given me "I wanna be a programmer!" in the past 6 months. No, make that 4, since there needs to be room for my current apprentice. Give me 300 programming jobs out of thin air, and I'll bet I could fill them with a veritable army of black, brown, cisfemale, transfemale, probably otherkin!, you name it people. And in flyover country, to boot! These wouldn't just be "diversity hires" either. I have standards, and I'm willing to personally mentor others to meet those standards when somebody in an appropriate job goes "I wanna be a programmer" and it actually means, "Hey, this stuff could really make me a more valuable employee. Help me out, Vel!"
Hell, make that 5. I just remembered I got "I wanna be a programmer!" from, get this, not only black, not only a woman, but trans! Although I hope we won't forget she's a person before all that.
The only thing getting in my way would be that pesky law that says I'd have to consider white male applicants fairly.... Well, and the fact that there are no good jobs to motivate my army of diversity to become programmers. All we're left with is us misogynerds:(
Heh, we've reached the point where I'm not sure if this is actual trolling. I have one nitpick:
and extend unemployment to deal with the loss of jobs for some it will cause.
That will never happen. If the male gender is what's on your birth certificate, you are expendable.
The problem with these kinds of articles I see is that painting male tech workers as a bunch of sexually frustrated misogynerds (no idea if that's what TFA does) is going to turn women off to the idea of majoring in CS. Hell, it's scaring me out of tech!
Furthermore, focusing on the state of the industry is putting the cart before the horse. We could implement your modest proposal tomorrow, and companies would never be able to comply in two years. The problem is that I need to start seeing which ever demographics we need for "diversity" in classrooms.
This is an example of one of the problems with social justice bullies I outlined above: they keep missing the target!
Figure out why women are not choosing STEM majors. Start at the elementary school level. From what I've been reading here and on the red site, mostly from commenters, the problem at the elementary and middle school level (K-8) seems to be solving itself. Then figure out whether or not differences in high school demographic groups even need to be addressed. (They're teenagers, after all.) Then, finally, figure out why women choose non-STEM degrees.
Once we start seeing whatever diversity target statistics we need in graduates, then and only then can we even begin to think about implementing your modest proposal.
Here's the danger: without diversity in graduates, that leaves companies in a quandary that will inevitably lead to the "diversity hire" problem, which, as we know, makes everything all the worse for everybody.
Ah but hell, maybe that's what the Illuminati want. Still, original point stands. The Illuminati (TPTB, Masters of the Universe, call them whatever) have figured out that nobody cares when an assigned male is left starving and homeless by failed economic policy.
Yes, those people advocated for social justice. Had I been born 100 years earlier, I would have been doing everything I could to support them. Random factoid: the suffragettes were compared to Amazon women in the newspapers of the day. I kinda like that.
I'd think about helping out somehow girls in the worst parts of the Middle East being denied an education, but I'm afraid the problems over there go far deeper than just some civil rights issues for certain demographics. Maybe that's something for me to look into more.
peace prize
Somewhat overrated.
conservation and recycling
These are also important. We have to figure out how to continue technological progress and move past oil dependence, otherwise when the oil runs out, prepare to promptly revert to a medieval lifestyle.
I'll throw this out there. William Lloyd Garrison. Here's a quote if you're having trouble remembering this guy:
On [the abolition of slavery], I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen;â"but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnestâ"I will not equivocateâ"I will not excuseâ"I will not retreat a single inchâ"AND I WILL BE HEARD. The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal, and to hasten the resurrection of the dead.
Here's where the confusion comes in and why I don't like the term SJW. That guy was a social justice warrior in the sense you seem to understand the term SJW. I do not think he qualifies as the kind of SJ"W" implied by GP. So, I will use the term social justice trolls (SJTs) to talk about what others call, apparently confusingly, SJWs.
This is a bit long-winded, but I hope the point I want to make will come across.
Back before the twitters and facebooks were being mobbed by SJTs, I was informed by a woman who knew next to nothing about computers (but quite a lot about "social justice") that I was part of the grand conspiracy of misogynerds who didn't want women to be programmers. Did I know Ada Lovelace was the world's first programmer? I was too shocked to point out to her that while Lovelace is generally recognized as the first programmer, did put some astonishing ideas to paper, and advocated for a scientific community that accepted women as equals, that claim is debatable.
The reason I was shocked is that, basically, since I was about 7, I have been trying to get women into programming. That's right, 7. Most of my friends back then were girls, and I had found something fascinating and wonderful in programming I wanted to share with my friends.
Well, fast forward about two decades, and I'm basically in charge of a software deployment and switch-over. This software's killer feature was its inner platform (yes, the anti-pattern) that allowed one to "program" it to customize it. The company was pretty much all female, so I set about trying to train the people who would use it daily. My job was also supposed to be temporary. It turns out that combined with a hefty dosage of math-phobia, I was given an impossible thing to do: "train" my co-workers in "programming" on a completely horrendous inner platform that tried too hard to be Crystal Reports in all the wrong ways.
So it started. I failed with the existing team. So, we brought another one of the line workers in, and she went "I wanna be a programmer!" I tried and again I was frustrated by failure. So then another person, somebody who is reasonably bright I might add, went "I wanna be a programmer!" Unfortunately, she was not in a role that woul
Looks like Betteridge strikes again! It's time to move away from tech. I don't know why, but the Illuminati have decided that tech work must needs be worthless. We see H-1Bs, the Everyone Can Code! Narrative, and more. Our skills are derided, and we're painted as a bunch of misogynerds (regardless of lived gender, only the assigned one matters to these dipshits) who are keeping women out of tech with our jargon.
To name three things that happened to me off the top of my head:
1. Accused of criminal hacking (by, you guess it, gaslighting asshole managers^H^H^Hadministrators) and had my computer privileges revoked for a few weeks. Told me I was lucky they didn't have me arrested by the FBI and imprisoned in the big city. I was also lucky my parents didn't believe their version of events.
That one turned out to be blatant gender discrimination. I later found out they had no problem with what I was doing, as long as it was an empowered young woman doing it.
Oh, edit: 1.5. After I warned the librarian responsible for the open-use computers that they were infected with a virus, I was given a stern warning and told I may have broken the acceptable use policy.
2. Accused of plagiarism because obviously a however year old I was at the time couldn't possibly program something in Pascal. They were never quite able to figure out what and who I plagiarized.
3. Had a calculator game I'd put perhaps 3 or 4 weeks of work into erased after leaving my calculator unattended. That was definitely a lesson in keeping backups! (As in I didn't have a single backup anywhere.) That one almost escalated to a lawsuit, but to her credit, the teacher that did it became apologetic once she realized what she had actually done.
On the other hand, I was never actually arrested.
On the other, other hand, my motives were authentic unlike "Clock Boy," who seems to have had questionable motives. I also learned that computers are magical palantirs into cyberspace powered by waldos and that any display of talent on my part would get me labeled a dangerous criminal hacker.
On the 3rd other hand, at a different school, my talent got me a summer and after school job. I'm certain I must have been a misogynerd who prevented a more talented woman from being offered that job. (I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, since my specialty is software development and the only woman in the class specialized in hardware and network, which would have been more relevant to the job.)
I agree with you completely, Ms. Hudson. She must not represent us imnsho. I have seen the evidence that she faked her own harassment.
That's why I hate on her so viciously. I hate to do this to somebody who has lived through the hell we all have (assuming she has?), but she stands as a threat to all progress for trans women.
I also vehemently disagree with her supposition that only us trans women may speak about trans women. I encourage all dialog, and I have great faith in geeks and nerds that we will expose the truth.
(First of all, holy cow, Dice! Just remade an account and WTF happened to D1? Oh well.)
You didn't fire that person for being lazy and not working, you fired them for being transgender.
Doubtful. Please provide citation. Like the deaths from cannabis edibles in Colorado, it may have happened once or twice, but this is certainly not the case.
It is true that if you fire a woman who simply can't code for shit, the SJWs and 3rd wave "feminists" will come after your ass, but only if she's a womyn-born-womyn (and white).
Observe the true horror of what the SJWs* have done to us. Trust me. Transphobia is very much alive and well. Us geeks are some of the most tolerant types. I have never faced or observed transphobia from a geek, at least one under 40. Yet we're being painted in the media as being a bunch of closed-minded woman-hating misogynerds. Look to Brianna Wu to see exactly what SJWs think of trans folks.
Now, that's a complicated point but bear with me here. Brianna Wu is trans, but she just doesn't want to admit it. In fact, I see the position she's taken, and I can't say I disagree. In an ideal world, Brianna Wu, yourself, myself, and every other person out there would just be women and men, and we'd have no use for my trans- this cis- that all over the place. I want to live in that world. I would be delusional to think I do live in that world, however.
Why do you think that whatever that project of Canonical's was needed to not only emphasize that they accepted trans women, but genderqueer folks? Do you think it was because they earnestly wanted help from anyone and everyone who wasn't a (cis/trans) man? Nope, try again. The SJWs imo, well, they don't really help anyone, but they certainly don't give a damn about trans women because we're not "real" women. We weren't "born" that way.
I'd argue that yes I was, because I'm the body part between my ears, not the one between my legs that was mutilated anyway within 24 hours of taking my first breath. SJWs would beg to differ. Their world is the world of oppressed womyn-born-womyn and us "invaders" who retain male privilege (somehow) and should FEEL GUILTY.
I'm the AC who's been complaining about gaslighting asshole managers. It's true. I've seen two women, one cis, one trans, get chased out of tech by gaslighting asshole managers, usually from the executive level. Why would an executive waste his time on a lowly tech in the trenches? Yet, the SJWs focus their hate on us, nerds and geeks who like I said seem to me to be the most tolerant and accepting people I know.
I would also like to add that blacks seem to be in a similar position. The SJWs will come after you with their FEEL GUILTY crap, they'll interrupt your rallies with their #blacklivesmatter shit, but at the end of the day, they don't care about the racism I've observed several gaslighting asshole managers display.
Us geeks value that body part between the ears, and I think that's why I simply fail to see transphobia from geeks. Please don't get confused by the SJWs. They want to act like they're progressive, but where is #translivesmatter? Why doesn't Brianna Wu stand up for the shit that trans women have to put up with? She doesn't even "pass" as well as I do (not that it should matter), but I admit she does pass fairly well. Perhaps she's just too self-centered, like SJWs tend to be, to see the misery that is the life of a trans woman who is obviously transgendered when a gaslighting asshole manager has her in the sights.
Of course, not all managers are gaslighting assholes. My former boss and current bosses I had/have I have a great deal of respect for, and I've learned many things about being a professional from them.
* I don't like the term SJW, but I think we all know exactly who it refers to, and it's not Rosa Parks.
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Come on, /.! You're missing the obvious. Spin this as a social justice troll FEEL GUILTY issue.
Ada, Countess of Lovelace, Enchantress of Numbers; Rear Admiral Hopper, Pirate Queen (yarr!), Lady of the Nanosecond (ok, I'm just making shit up now); Alan Turing, and Hedy Lamarr are right there in TFA, but they don't make it into the summary!? Instead we just get a bunch of cis het white (performing type promotion Indian to white for Ratan Tata) misogynerds!
I mean, ok, Dice, I get the cloud and Bill Gates wunderkind angle. Oh, I get it. It's turkey day today. (Giving thanks? WTF. I've got mine, fuck you. I'm the very image of a modern Randian bootstrapper!) I guess I have to wait until tomorrow for SJW* Friday. (Warning: based on gas prices I haven't seen since I got my operator's license, mentat computations derive extremely bad luck around 7:00 am EST for tomorrow. Outlook bad. We might not get SJW Friday tomorrow, but something much worse.)
Ok, to be serious for a moment, I'd invite Lovelace, Hopper, Curie (they can both come over--I've got some RadAway they could use), and Harriet Tubman--who I recently learned through Drunken History was more epic than I had imagined.
Well, there goes the meager karma I'd acquired on this UID!
* I do despise the SJW term, but hey.
Sweet, yet another tiling window manager. I love the concept of a tiling window manager, but none since I think it was ion2 have really captivated me. xmonad was extensible like nothing else, but needing to know Haskell was quite the learning curve. Ratpoison is nice because it feels like GNU Screen, but it just isn't the right fit for me.
I'll have to give this one a try once I get tired of Fallout. The goals looks promising but the web design style and youtube videos all over the place are kind of a red flag, but don't judge a book by its cover I guess. Thanks for the link, AC.
This would be acceptable.
In fact, start over from scratch without Poettering.
I understand there are some legitimate needs for a "modern" desktop that systemd is attempting to fill. I've also heard that it will allow Linux to run on devices like phones and tablets with far fewer headaches.
But yes, kick out Poettering, and give me something designed and written by competent developers.
Ugh, pulseaudio is still wonky? Last time I used it, back when OSS was the thing before we all switched ALSA, I couldn't for the life of me get it to work with less than about a whole second or two of lag. I always used ESD. ARts seemed to suffer from lag also if I remember correctly, but then again it was more than just an audio muxer (and yet on that point JACK can do all kinds of crap in near real time, used it as a stand-in all-purpose set of floor pedals when I tried learning guitar).
I might try systemd at some point just to see whether it's as bad as I've heard, but when I first heard of systemd, my reaction was pretty much "some guy who can't write a sound daemon is going to try to replace init?!" Then replace the logger. Then hoover up getty and replace login?! WTF!
While Betteridge would suggest we're all doomed, 2016 is almost here, and I'll be running Gentoo with XFCE and the section in my package masks marked "# poettering" that's kept me Poettering-free since this mess got started for the foreseeable future.
In fact, I gave Enlightenment E19 a spin a few months ago, and even though it says it depends on systemd, it worked fairly well for me without systemd. I don't think it even pulled in systemd-shim, either. I might need to double-check that.
Really, though, even if XFCE, Enlightment, Mate, and all the full blown DEs go full systemd retard, there's still, oh, IceWM, xmonad, RatPoison, Window Maker, FVWM, awesome, you name it. I just listed the ones I could remember using off the top of my head. I know I've used more.
I can see you, lmao, holding the camera shooting a Pr0N flick or something
On an odd sidenote, I might actually do this. I have been wanting a pr0n flick that had some actual plot, possibly a gender change at some point, consensual of course. There are many themes to explore here. I hate this plague of non-consensual gender (and species!) changes that has established itself in the TF community.
In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable.
Same AC that posted the sibling comment. (Well, I guess I'm not AC any more!)
The evidence is conflicting. All I'm able to find is hearsay. Would you please provide evidence that Randi is trans?
Here's where I display a bit of bigotry. If she's not trans, I don't give a fuck about her. Being a woman does not preclude one from being an asshole. Brianna Wu is a woman who is an asshole, but I single her out because she is trans. I am very uncomfortable with what such a troll as that asshole can do to all trans women. I was shocked at the deluge of ACs misgendering Wu during the interview threads.
I think Brianna Wu and Randi here can die in a fire, regardless of cis- this or trans- that. I single out Wu because I wish 1.) she would be honest about her history and not go "eww, why would I want to hang out with a bunch of transsexuals?" I get her sentiment--I even agree that in a perfect world, no, we wouldn't need trans- this and cis- that. I don't live in that world, and neither does that bitch. 2.) she would shut up with her lies and bullshit. I've noticed backlash against transgendered people I have never observed before in the past few years. Wu and her ilk are the cause of it.
To be clear: being a woman or being trans does not put one above reproach or above being an asshole. However, being trans was beginning to be tentatively accepted by the mainstream. Then came Obamacare. Then came anti-gamergate. I feel assholes like Wu (and Randi here if you can provide proof) need to be publicly outed and denounced by trans women at large, as much as I would normally find the outing of a trans woman abhorrent.
Interesting times call for interesting measures, I guess. I'm just trying to be practical. Feel free to flame me here.
Ugh, sorry to reply to myself.
finding out years after I'd graduated that the district's "first" computer club was founded by a bright young woman, that is no small thing. In fact, I did get worked up about it when I found out.
I got worked up because had I been given proper credit for what I did, starting a computer club, that would be something to put on a resume. The young woman? I don't know her, but hopefully she's a geek and a good-type hacker, so I guess more power to her.
I'm just not the kind of person to roll over and let somebody else take undeserved credit. Well, I suppose credit is due where credit is due. Because of her gender, she was able to get through whatever the "proper channels" were for founding a club, whereas I got sandbagged, gaslighted, and ultimately accused of felony computer misuse because I didn't "go through the proper channels." I went to my homeroom teacher, and I put my faith in her that she knew what the "proper channels" were. The next year, the computer club's patron teacher was, well, what we call SJWs now, frankly, looking back. What a lesson a year and a half later when we were shut down and then a decade later when I found out about the founder of the district's "first" computer club!
I wasn't clear. My apologies.
To answer AmiMoJo's question and your point, it would have been small claims court likely for perhaps a thousand or two for property destruction--nothing extravagant like Clock Boy here. I like how AmiMoJo didn't read the part where I mentioned the teacher was apologetic when she realized what she had done. I decided to forgive her and move on.
The other incident, the one I suspect was blatant gender discrimination, was completely unrelated. Heh, perhaps I should have just replied to AmiMoJo instead, but that would be straying from why I registered an account again. To answer his concern that I'm the type of person that gets worked up over nothing, I'd like to think I'm not.
Going through the effort to start an after school computer club, having it shut down by lying assholes threatening felony prosecution, and finding out years after I'd graduated that the district's "first" computer club was founded by a bright young woman, that is no small thing. In fact, I did get worked up about it when I found out. But that was over two decades ago.
Oh, and regarding the computer club incident, having school officials blatantly lie to one's parents is also no small thing. So yes, I did get worked up about that as well. I'll bet the asshole administrators were disappointed that my parents didn't ground me for life lol.
(Truth be told, at that time in my life, I was too naive to suspect I had just become an early victim of "two wrongs make a right" sexism.)
Of course, since I'm just a dirty, mentally ill trans woman, I'm sure none of that would register for AmiMoJo had I responded to him. I just wanted to clarify.
Nobody cares, apk. Do you have a script that just posts this junk whenever Coren posts?
I am aware, but thanks anyway. SJWs like AmiMoJo are why I registered an account again. The red site might be where we all wind up in the long run, but for now, the discussion is here. I left after Slashcott when the red site became stable. (Well, actually /. didn't go in my hosts file until we got Brianna Wu's answers to our interview questions.) When I learned that one of my best apprentices was a feminist I kind of had a moment where up was down, left was right, short was long, and everything I knew was wrong, so I scrambled my password and email on both sites. I wound up learning that Amazon feminism is a thing, but I don't know much about it other than that, well, it exists. So, long story short, I can't prove I'm the UID in my signature, but please take my word for it. (If you have sigs disabled, this is the old trans- this cis- that 6 digit UID poster known as velex.)
What I hope to eventually elicit out of AmiMoJo or some other SJW (entrap him/her into?) is an opinion on the fact that one of the best hackers I know, who happens to be a woman and trans, was fired for being trans and cannot find any more work. She pretty much taught me how to use Javascript correctly (and could probably school any of these SJW punks in using Javascript correctly, safely, and efficiently any day of the week). In fact, she did not even think being trans had anything to do with it until myself and another of her friends pointed out that the things she had been telling us that had been going down about a week or two before she was shitcanned by an asshole executive wasn't proof but a strong indication that there was discrimination afoot.
I also want to know what the SJWs would say to me. My own transition has been on pause for over a decade, but I intend to finally resume it by preparing to be out of the workforce for a while and changing jobs. However, all of this shit, and the realization that transphobia is alive and well among SJWs (unless transphobia is the thing of the week for us to FEEL GUILTY about, but oh, let's give a big name trans woman an award for fucking taking her meds and putting on a dress and problem solved! [Caitlyn Jenner, nothing against her personally unlike my ire at Brianna Wu and the misgendering her shit started from the ACs here.]).
Well, all of this shit has chased me out of tech on the date in about two years when I change my name and begin living full time as a woman. If I need to change jobs to transition (wanting to avoid the bunch of drama I know will ensue from the older women where I work), well, why the fuck not change careers if being assigned the male gender at birth and being in tech automatically makes me a misogynerd.
At this point, flipping burgers looks like a better career than tech. If that changes in two or three years' time, I'll reconsider, but I'm not optimistic.
Let me Google that for you. The first result was a professional association for male nurses, so I'll skip that.
Male Nurses Break Through Barriers to Diversify Profession
Enhancing Diversity in the Workforce
Man Enough: Recruiting Men into Nursing School
Hope that helps!
(It turns out the nurse shortage is so real that they are actually trying to fix this gripe, and salaries are rising as one would expect in response to the demand, unlike in a certain industry. Iow, you're not necessarily wrong in a general sense, but please choose a different example. The are so many to choose from!)
Fair point for nursing. That is becoming less of a problem. See homecare providers also. I somehow got on a mailing list for a local nursing/homecare association, and they even have a spotlight for men in those professions.
If women want a STEM career they will get one. Clearly they don't want them.
This is so mind numbingly stupid, yet brought up in every debate on the subject, that I can't even be bothered to refute it any more.
Would you please help me to understand why this is mind-numbingly stupid? Up above I talked about my various experiences mentoring women programmers. One was quite brilliant. However, the only woman I know personally who does programming outside of work is trans. There is something going on here, and it seems that the assertion should be more specific: "cisgendered women don't want STEM careers."
That tells me, unlike other people unconsciously blabbering this whole "women are different" axiom, that the problem is social. The problem could be fixed. I'll be blunt: would a world where women may be circumcised at birth, are generally viewed as expendable, are required to sign up for selective service/be drafted, have to worry about being stuck making alimony payments if married or considered being in a common law marriage, have lives that can be completely ruined at the mere accusation of rape or sexual harassment, etc, a world with absolute gender equality, have this problem?
Additionally, I'm having troubles seeing barriers outside of a lack of jobs and asshole gaslighting managers for programming in particular. A couple weeks ago I got a sort of "I wanna be a programmer!" from of one of the line workers, so I told her about code.org, recommended Ruby or Python, and let her know another good learning experience is installing a Linux, even recommended Linux from Scratch when she was comfortable with a command line. I haven't received any follow-up questions. Either that means she's a genius hacker and has grokked things that took me a good 6 months to even figure out when I first started messing around with Linux, or by "I wanna be a programmer!" she meant that she wanted a job like mine. Job being the key word.
If could magically create 3 programming jobs out of thin air, I could, right now, at this very moment, fill them with that trans hacker I know who, you guessed it, was fired by a gaslighting asshole executive, and two black women who have given me "I wanna be a programmer!" in the past 6 months. No, make that 4, since there needs to be room for my current apprentice. Give me 300 programming jobs out of thin air, and I'll bet I could fill them with a veritable army of black, brown, cisfemale, transfemale, probably otherkin!, you name it people. And in flyover country, to boot! These wouldn't just be "diversity hires" either. I have standards, and I'm willing to personally mentor others to meet those standards when somebody in an appropriate job goes "I wanna be a programmer" and it actually means, "Hey, this stuff could really make me a more valuable employee. Help me out, Vel!"
Hell, make that 5. I just remembered I got "I wanna be a programmer!" from, get this, not only black, not only a woman, but trans! Although I hope we won't forget she's a person before all that.
The only thing getting in my way would be that pesky law that says I'd have to consider white male applicants fairly.... Well, and the fact that there are no good jobs to motivate my army of diversity to become programmers. All we're left with is us misogynerds :(
Heh, we've reached the point where I'm not sure if this is actual trolling. I have one nitpick:
and extend unemployment to deal with the loss of jobs for some it will cause.
That will never happen. If the male gender is what's on your birth certificate, you are expendable.
The problem with these kinds of articles I see is that painting male tech workers as a bunch of sexually frustrated misogynerds (no idea if that's what TFA does) is going to turn women off to the idea of majoring in CS. Hell, it's scaring me out of tech!
Furthermore, focusing on the state of the industry is putting the cart before the horse. We could implement your modest proposal tomorrow, and companies would never be able to comply in two years. The problem is that I need to start seeing which ever demographics we need for "diversity" in classrooms.
This is an example of one of the problems with social justice bullies I outlined above: they keep missing the target!
Figure out why women are not choosing STEM majors. Start at the elementary school level. From what I've been reading here and on the red site, mostly from commenters, the problem at the elementary and middle school level (K-8) seems to be solving itself. Then figure out whether or not differences in high school demographic groups even need to be addressed. (They're teenagers, after all.) Then, finally, figure out why women choose non-STEM degrees.
Once we start seeing whatever diversity target statistics we need in graduates, then and only then can we even begin to think about implementing your modest proposal.
Here's the danger: without diversity in graduates, that leaves companies in a quandary that will inevitably lead to the "diversity hire" problem, which, as we know, makes everything all the worse for everybody.
Ah but hell, maybe that's what the Illuminati want. Still, original point stands. The Illuminati (TPTB, Masters of the Universe, call them whatever) have figured out that nobody cares when an assigned male is left starving and homeless by failed economic policy.
Civil rights, suffragettes
Yes, those people advocated for social justice. Had I been born 100 years earlier, I would have been doing everything I could to support them. Random factoid: the suffragettes were compared to Amazon women in the newspapers of the day. I kinda like that.
I'd think about helping out somehow girls in the worst parts of the Middle East being denied an education, but I'm afraid the problems over there go far deeper than just some civil rights issues for certain demographics. Maybe that's something for me to look into more.
peace prize
Somewhat overrated.
conservation and recycling
These are also important. We have to figure out how to continue technological progress and move past oil dependence, otherwise when the oil runs out, prepare to promptly revert to a medieval lifestyle.
I'll throw this out there. William Lloyd Garrison. Here's a quote if you're having trouble remembering this guy:
On [the abolition of slavery], I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen;â"but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnestâ"I will not equivocateâ"I will not excuseâ"I will not retreat a single inchâ"AND I WILL BE HEARD. The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal, and to hasten the resurrection of the dead.
Here's where the confusion comes in and why I don't like the term SJW. That guy was a social justice warrior in the sense you seem to understand the term SJW. I do not think he qualifies as the kind of SJ"W" implied by GP. So, I will use the term social justice trolls (SJTs) to talk about what others call, apparently confusingly, SJWs.
This is a bit long-winded, but I hope the point I want to make will come across.
Back before the twitters and facebooks were being mobbed by SJTs, I was informed by a woman who knew next to nothing about computers (but quite a lot about "social justice") that I was part of the grand conspiracy of misogynerds who didn't want women to be programmers. Did I know Ada Lovelace was the world's first programmer? I was too shocked to point out to her that while Lovelace is generally recognized as the first programmer, did put some astonishing ideas to paper, and advocated for a scientific community that accepted women as equals, that claim is debatable.
The reason I was shocked is that, basically, since I was about 7, I have been trying to get women into programming. That's right, 7. Most of my friends back then were girls, and I had found something fascinating and wonderful in programming I wanted to share with my friends.
Well, fast forward about two decades, and I'm basically in charge of a software deployment and switch-over. This software's killer feature was its inner platform (yes, the anti-pattern) that allowed one to "program" it to customize it. The company was pretty much all female, so I set about trying to train the people who would use it daily. My job was also supposed to be temporary. It turns out that combined with a hefty dosage of math-phobia, I was given an impossible thing to do: "train" my co-workers in "programming" on a completely horrendous inner platform that tried too hard to be Crystal Reports in all the wrong ways.
So it started. I failed with the existing team. So, we brought another one of the line workers in, and she went "I wanna be a programmer!" I tried and again I was frustrated by failure. So then another person, somebody who is reasonably bright I might add, went "I wanna be a programmer!" Unfortunately, she was not in a role that woul
Came here to say this.
Looks like Betteridge strikes again! It's time to move away from tech. I don't know why, but the Illuminati have decided that tech work must needs be worthless. We see H-1Bs, the Everyone Can Code! Narrative, and more. Our skills are derided, and we're painted as a bunch of misogynerds (regardless of lived gender, only the assigned one matters to these dipshits) who are keeping women out of tech with our jargon.
Time to move on.
Heh, nice link.
Honest question: what's a TERF? Google!
Terf stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.Aug 9, 2014
Ah. Explains much. I just wonder how she got accepted into radical feminism in the first place.
On the other hand, I was never actually arrested.
Trust me, I recognize the privileges my European ancestry gives me.
Bump.
To name three things that happened to me off the top of my head:
1. Accused of criminal hacking (by, you guess it, gaslighting asshole managers^H^H^Hadministrators) and had my computer privileges revoked for a few weeks. Told me I was lucky they didn't have me arrested by the FBI and imprisoned in the big city. I was also lucky my parents didn't believe their version of events.
That one turned out to be blatant gender discrimination. I later found out they had no problem with what I was doing, as long as it was an empowered young woman doing it.
Oh, edit: 1.5. After I warned the librarian responsible for the open-use computers that they were infected with a virus, I was given a stern warning and told I may have broken the acceptable use policy.
2. Accused of plagiarism because obviously a however year old I was at the time couldn't possibly program something in Pascal. They were never quite able to figure out what and who I plagiarized.
3. Had a calculator game I'd put perhaps 3 or 4 weeks of work into erased after leaving my calculator unattended. That was definitely a lesson in keeping backups! (As in I didn't have a single backup anywhere.) That one almost escalated to a lawsuit, but to her credit, the teacher that did it became apologetic once she realized what she had actually done.
On the other hand, I was never actually arrested.
On the other, other hand, my motives were authentic unlike "Clock Boy," who seems to have had questionable motives. I also learned that computers are magical palantirs into cyberspace powered by waldos and that any display of talent on my part would get me labeled a dangerous criminal hacker.
On the 3rd other hand, at a different school, my talent got me a summer and after school job. I'm certain I must have been a misogynerd who prevented a more talented woman from being offered that job. (I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, since my specialty is software development and the only woman in the class specialized in hardware and network, which would have been more relevant to the job.)
I agree with you completely, Ms. Hudson. She must not represent us imnsho. I have seen the evidence that she faked her own harassment. That's why I hate on her so viciously. I hate to do this to somebody who has lived through the hell we all have (assuming she has?), but she stands as a threat to all progress for trans women. I also vehemently disagree with her supposition that only us trans women may speak about trans women. I encourage all dialog, and I have great faith in geeks and nerds that we will expose the truth.
(First of all, holy cow, Dice! Just remade an account and WTF happened to D1? Oh well.)
You didn't fire that person for being lazy and not working, you fired them for being transgender.
Doubtful. Please provide citation. Like the deaths from cannabis edibles in Colorado, it may have happened once or twice, but this is certainly not the case.
It is true that if you fire a woman who simply can't code for shit, the SJWs and 3rd wave "feminists" will come after your ass, but only if she's a womyn-born-womyn (and white).
Observe the true horror of what the SJWs* have done to us. Trust me. Transphobia is very much alive and well. Us geeks are some of the most tolerant types. I have never faced or observed transphobia from a geek, at least one under 40. Yet we're being painted in the media as being a bunch of closed-minded woman-hating misogynerds. Look to Brianna Wu to see exactly what SJWs think of trans folks.
Now, that's a complicated point but bear with me here. Brianna Wu is trans, but she just doesn't want to admit it. In fact, I see the position she's taken, and I can't say I disagree. In an ideal world, Brianna Wu, yourself, myself, and every other person out there would just be women and men, and we'd have no use for my trans- this cis- that all over the place. I want to live in that world. I would be delusional to think I do live in that world, however.
Why do you think that whatever that project of Canonical's was needed to not only emphasize that they accepted trans women, but genderqueer folks? Do you think it was because they earnestly wanted help from anyone and everyone who wasn't a (cis/trans) man? Nope, try again. The SJWs imo, well, they don't really help anyone, but they certainly don't give a damn about trans women because we're not "real" women. We weren't "born" that way.
I'd argue that yes I was, because I'm the body part between my ears, not the one between my legs that was mutilated anyway within 24 hours of taking my first breath. SJWs would beg to differ. Their world is the world of oppressed womyn-born-womyn and us "invaders" who retain male privilege (somehow) and should FEEL GUILTY.
I'm the AC who's been complaining about gaslighting asshole managers. It's true. I've seen two women, one cis, one trans, get chased out of tech by gaslighting asshole managers, usually from the executive level. Why would an executive waste his time on a lowly tech in the trenches? Yet, the SJWs focus their hate on us, nerds and geeks who like I said seem to me to be the most tolerant and accepting people I know.
I would also like to add that blacks seem to be in a similar position. The SJWs will come after you with their FEEL GUILTY crap, they'll interrupt your rallies with their #blacklivesmatter shit, but at the end of the day, they don't care about the racism I've observed several gaslighting asshole managers display.
Us geeks value that body part between the ears, and I think that's why I simply fail to see transphobia from geeks. Please don't get confused by the SJWs. They want to act like they're progressive, but where is #translivesmatter? Why doesn't Brianna Wu stand up for the shit that trans women have to put up with? She doesn't even "pass" as well as I do (not that it should matter), but I admit she does pass fairly well. Perhaps she's just too self-centered, like SJWs tend to be, to see the misery that is the life of a trans woman who is obviously transgendered when a gaslighting asshole manager has her in the sights.
Of course, not all managers are gaslighting assholes. My former boss and current bosses I had/have I have a great deal of respect for, and I've learned many things about being a professional from them.
* I don't like the term SJW, but I think we all know exactly who it refers to, and it's not Rosa Parks.