Could a Change In Wording Attract More Women To Infosec? (csoonline.com)

itwbennett writes: "Information security is an endeavor that is frequently described in terms of war," writes Lysa Myers. "But what would the gender balance of this industry be like if we used more terms from other disciplines?" Just 14 percent of U.S. federal government personnel in cybersecurity specialties are women, a number startlingly close to the 14.5 percent of active duty military members who are women (at least as of 2013). By comparison, women are well represented in other STEM fields: "As of 2011, women earn 60 percent of bachelor-level biology degrees. Women also earn between 40 and 50 percent of chemistry, mathematics and statistics, and Earth sciences undergraduate degrees," writes Myers. Why the difference? Myers points to a comment from someone who taught a GenCyber camp for girls: "He found that one effective way to get girls to feel passionate about security was to create an emotional connection with the subject: e.g. the shock and distress of seeing your drone hacked or your password exposed," writes Myers.

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[Elledan]

As a (female) senior developer my only response to the summary was a stunned 'WTH'. Now I'm certain this is a The Onion article... *checks*

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[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately we have the same FUD coming from numerous politicians, as well as corporate owned media. While the message "should" come from the Onion, it's being repeated often enough that people too lazy to do any thinking on their own are believing it.

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[neoritter]

Welcome to Poe's law.

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[Anonymous Coward]

But as a women you are supposed to be weak and need coddling. Isn't that why all these SJWs are trying to shield women from reality?

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[kuzb]

Welcome to the brave new world, where making everything girl friendly is the only acceptable answer. Since women apparently do not want to join willingly we have to ramp up the propaganda machine to fix those percentages!

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[rwa2]

Eh, as a male dev who ran 3000 miles away from the defense-industrial complex surrounding the Washington DC partly because of the terminology (though the actual "warfighters" I worked with were the most remarkable people with awesome life stories), I have to admit that just about all of our security officers I've reported to over the decades were women. To the point where I believed the ISSO was the new pigeonhole to stash any and (and almost every) female employee.

My soviet-raised wife always laughs at all these equality efforts and doublespeak here. Both her grandparents were naval engineers (they met in University where degree programs were assigned to students by lottery to fill military quotas for WWII). Her great-grandmother had a doctorate back when women in the West were still being eclipsed and ignored by their male counterparts. Maybe someday the pendulum in the US will swing far enough that we'll be where the Russians were in the 80s with regards to gender balance in the workplace.

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[ganjadude]

WE GET IT!!!!

seriously what is the obsession with this stuff today??? its getting obnoxious

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[IceAgeComing]

My guess: "As you get older, news is more and more likely to make you gag."

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[emorning]

I don't think you should be insulted by this. All humans, not just women, are irrational and emotional. We prefer that our detergent come in orange boxes instead of green boxes. We're attracted to people with symmetrical faces. We'll buy that fake diamond if the seller tells us it'll make our life complete. It's just the way we are..

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[Archangel Michael]

Actually, making things one way or another because of some "slight" to one group or another is pretty damn insulting. Especially if there is no slight intended.

Lets just face it, boys and girls are different, lets quit trying to make them the same.

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[Anonymous Coward]

As a (female) senior developer my only response to the summary was a stunned 'WTH'. Now I'm certain this is a The Onion article... *checks*

Yeah. As a (male) senior systems engineer, this struck me as almost as bad as "don't worry your pretty little head about it" (or maybe: "would a change of wording get them to worry their pretty little heads about it?"). Incredibly insulting to say the least.

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[oh_my_080980980]

This is from CSO a rag trying to pimp security, so yeah...

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[oh_my_080980980]

Actually the bulk of the article as about attracting people into InfoSec careers. As stated neither boy or girls were aware of it coming out of high school as possible career choices. Funny how you find things out when you read.

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[neoritter]

Hmm, maybe, but I'm not that old.

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[kheldan]

As a (female) senior developer my only response to the summary was a stunned 'WTH'.

I actually had a similar reaction to it; it came off as insulting to women, like they can't be appealed to intellectually, only emotionally.

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[kheldan]

All humans, not just women, are irrational and emotional.

The complacency implied in that statement is part of the problem, and that complacency may be holding back the human race from evolving towards our intellect having more control over our actions than our emotions.

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[AmiMoJo]

I wish the editors would edit these summaries. The story is interesting but the summary is flamebait. Someone trying to undermine efforts to get more diversity in tech on ideological grounds, and twisting articles to suit their views on the (correct) assumption that most people don't read them.

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[guruevi]

Information security is not a career. It's a buzzword for another management level over systems, database and network admins. If you are a good admin, you know about the prevalent threats and mitigate them, that is your job.

Typically an infosec person is someone who you report to in addition to your boss that concentrates on beating some type of C-level report regardless of the underlying facts. Oh your PHP is out of date, fix that regardless of the fact that the security patches are back ported or no issues affect the install. Debian is the bane of my infosec group.

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[gstoddart]

Well, apparently now we have to appeal to the emotional side of women, while hiding out Star Wars posters, self castrating with a USB stick, and ensure that all metaphors involve fluffy bunnies and hair products.

Honestly, I've known a fair few women in tech ... none of them had to deal with this "no girls allowed crap", none of them hated Star Wars, or otherwise needed to be coddled due to their gender.

I don't know if this is a generational thing which happened recently, or if every attempt to lure women into tech needs to pander to them on such a silly level.

Hell, my wife works in tech -- but she came at it indirectly and worked her way up so she didn't start off as a geek. I can't imagine trying to "appeal to her emotions" to make her sad about her drone or her password. I might get hurt.

Mostly because she's not some fragile flower who needs to have her emotions pandered to.

I don't get it. But then, maybe I'm old and clueless and too set in my sexist ways to know how I'm not proactively generating an environment which appeals to the delicate and sensitive nature of women and ensuring that everything I do is warm and nurturing.

I've known a couple of guys with sensitive egos. And from what I've seen, women have nothing on a whiny nerd who has had his feelings hurt. Those guys just won't let it go.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like you don't have enough business savvy. If a security concern is not truly a concern, make a business case, support it with facts and numbers in dollars, then present it. If your reasoning is sound you will get your way. If not, do what they say. That is why they pay you.

Infosec isn't just another management layer. It is a specialty just like a network admin or sysadmin. Their job is mitigating risk, improving reliability, and all the other things flowing from the security triad. Those specialists tasks just so happen to require authority. Think of them as an assurance that you do not have to think as deeply or as long about redundancy, security, and lawful compliance. That is their job to do.

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[Phil-14]

I thought InfoSec was from 1984, not Brave New World?

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[Grishnakh]

I've known a couple of guys with sensitive egos. And from what I've seen, women have nothing on a whiny nerd who has had his feelings hurt. Those guys just won't let it go.

APK is a prime example of this.

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[metrix007]

Were you always female though? IT has a lot of transgender folk in the field.

Which, I fully support, but there is a remote possibility that the majority of ciswomen are just not that interested.

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[mwvdlee]

What? You mean you DON'T want everything in your live to be pink and fluffy and frilly and sweet and cudly and girly all the f**king time?

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[codeAlDente]

These summaries are edited for conversion to flamebait. Says so in TFA.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I wish the editors would edit these summaries. The story is interesting but the summary is flamebait.

The summary is a combination of the title of the actual article and the byline of the actual article, and the comment about the girls' camp is presented as the sole piece of supporting evidence for the idea that a shift in language might help get women into Infosec.

So no, it's not twisting the article, which is actually somewhat surprising for slashdot these days. For the record, the article really isn't that interesting either. For those who don't feel like reading it, you can sum it up with "Infosec terminology is derived from male-dominated Military jargon, so it doesn't appeal to girls. The evidence for this is that STEM fields with better gender balance use less of this type of terminology."

But what isn't surprising is to see AmiMojo getting her panties twisted up in a knot on each and every story even remotely related to anything involving a discussion of gender, whether it's warranted or not, and proceeding to spam SJW white-knight posts all over the comments.

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[Anonymous Coward]

seriously what is the obsession with this stuff today

Clickbait?

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[IceAgeComing]

Gather around, kids, and hear the story about the time, before 1987, when News actually meant something special...

Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Though even when it was around, the News did not seem a whole lot different. There was still censorship and bias in the choice of which stories to run, and the editors decided how to frame the "multiple perspectives" on a single story. Which is kind of incredible, if you think about it.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I agree with the GP. Every dedicated security person I've known has been an expert in one thing... What the various PCI/Sox/HIPAA regs are, and how to meet the letter of the requirements.

Most of them will look at a router config and say "you need to separate these things", but won't actually know what that looks like in practice.

Basically they are trained to present the illusion of security by allowing you to pass audits. I've had several of these auditors try to get me to open gaping security holes because he thought it would make it look more secure.

Not to say they are all like this, but they is the way of the security field in general these days.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Ah. You must have a penis.

These stories are important to people that don't. Maybe.

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[gweihir]

That may be a really, really bad idea. The absolutely last thing we need is even more incompetent InfoSec people. InfoSec people need to be competent to have any worth. From personal experience, that needs something like 5-10 years on top of a university master's with security focus and a lot of personal interest in the subject.

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[edtice1559]

The InfoSec industry has a terrible reputation. It will take more then a terminology change, but this *might* be a good first step towards making the industry more attractive. I think /. ers living in their mother's basements probably rank higher in the social pecking order.

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[gweihir]

The first UNIX sysadmin of the student pool I did run in at university was a bit like that. She was also competent and helpful, so nobody of the (almost completely male) students had a problem with that. And that is just the thing: I know quite a few female CS and EE types and none of them had any serious issues with gender discrimination. They universally had a dim view of most other female students though as them being "lazy" and unwilling to get their hands dirty and such. If you want some people with a really dim view of female students in STEM, just ask some of the female STEM graduates that do well in the field.

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[youngone]

Maybe women are stupid and need to be conned into doing something they don't really find interesting.

Or maybe not.

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[gstoddart]

APK is a prime example of this.

OK, I've been trolled and memed by this in one day ... is this like the poop guy? The timecube guy?

Yarg, teh security or something.

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[BarbaraHudson]

Ah. You must have a penis.

These stories are important to people that don't. Maybe.

These articles perpetuate the paternalistic stereotype that men have to help women do what they want to do, and if the women aren't doing it, it's because they're too ignorant to know what's best for them. And that the careers women choose to go into are somehow of lesser value.

One of the premises of the article:

Among the findings, the authors of the report found that in the U.S., 67 percent of men and 77 percent of women said no high school teacher or career counselor ever mentioned the idea of a cyber security career.

... means absolutely nothing. Kids in high school don't get told about the possibility of a career as a veterinarian, underwater welder, garbageman, town councilor or mayor, crop duster, backhoe or hydraulic shovel operator, etc. And yet, there are people working in all these jobs. You're not going to discuss a career in information security with your English teacher, and how many people even talk to a career counselor in high school? Mostly just the ones who are obviously not going on to higher education and will probably drop out of high school.

Yet another study trying to force on women that we can't make our own career choices because we don't know what to do. Statistics say otherwise - more women than men are going into professional careers, just like more women than men are getting degrees.

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[BarbaraHudson]

Actually, men are more likely to act emotionally than women. Look at all the testosterone-fueled murders - mostly men.

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[Anonymous Coward]

..and economic imbalance everywhere else.

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[Grishnakh]

If you don't know, you must be browsing Slashdot with it set to hide all Anonymous Coward posts. There's no way you can miss the torrent of nutso messages from him, especially every time Coren22 posts something. He has mental problems and got into some argument with Coren about hosts files a long time ago, and just won't give up his barrage of angry posts about it. It's really quite sad.

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[BarbaraHudson]

Were you always female though? IT has a lot of transgender folk in the field.

Which, I fully support, but there is a remote possibility that the majority of ciswomen are just not that interested.

Hey - I resemble that remark!

Seriously, it's not polite to ask. Do people go around asking you if you were always your current gender? Those of us who have already been publicly outed (raises hand) are probably in the best position to tell people just how rude it is, because we've been through it. Now while it's true that being open about it was a very positive experience overall, it should be up to each person to decide if, when, and how to make that knowledge public.

Just saying, because, you know, it's not polite to ask, especially in public. It puts people on the spot over something that is very personal :-)

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[Anonymous Coward]

One of many reasons our "news" has turned into propaganda and disinformation.

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[Anonymous Coward]

And you somehow believe that your rather short sighted personal anecdote means something? You are an idiot if you do.

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[Anonymous Coward]

We have a couple of that type too, meh. We also have one that's quite the opposite. He does admin stuff and pen testing - let's just say I'm glad he's on our side. Learned a lot from that guy.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Nahh, a little practice with daily scrums and people hired specifically to be scrum masters will help you swallow longer, deeper, and uncut.

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[Anonymous Coward]

> Seriously, it's not polite to ask.

Check for the Adam's Apple, the eyebrows, and the walk. I know way too many transgender "men", and they can never be bothered to learn the walk. And it's not impossible: the women at MIT have it down really well, because they walk like they're *going somewhere*.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Welcome to the brave new world, where making everything girl friendly is the only acceptable answer. Since women apparently do not want to join willingly we have to ramp up the propaganda machine to fix those percentages!

It might also help if the lonely and socially inept males in the industry could learn how to treat female co-workers with human decency and respect. Just saying!

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[davester666]

Instead of 'war on terror', it could be 'Create a dialog with America's enemies', with the 'dialog' being a handful of bullets or a smartbomb.

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[Cinnamon Beige]

All humans, not just women, are irrational and emotional.

The complacency implied in that statement is part of the problem, and that complacency may be holding back the human race from evolving towards our intellect having more control over our actions than our emotions.

They've actually had a few case studies on just what happens if somebody's emotions for some reason or other (read: various flavors of brain damage) cease to be involved in their decision-making processes. This included one woman whose rich husband bribed his way into getting her a lobotomy, because he thought her 'too talkative.' The only time she actually felt anything after the surgery was joy at his death.

She lost pretty much every single cent of the considerable fortune he left behind.

Emotions, it turns out, are actually pretty important to making good decisions--they remind you of the risks and encourage caution. It's like having a friend who is insightful but impulsive: letting them be in charge is probably bad, but so is ignoring them.

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[LostMyBeaver]

Elledan,

What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would want this. It would be like saying "We want more straight guys to consider becoming hair dressers". This is InfoSec, as a career path, it's right up there with used car sales and hair dresser.

I was at a hair dresser in San Diego about a year ago and some whacko woman cutting my hair... and trust me, I've never seen a person take this type of job so seriously, she was religious about it... well she spent half an hour trying to force to to change shampoos. She went on and on about how this one has this chemical and that one has another. I didn't want to be rude, but several times, she was simply naming the chemical with the biggest words and assumed they must be the active ingredients of the shampoos. She didn't really have any idea what each one of them did. She just assumed that if it was the biggest word, it must be important.

This is how I see InfoSec. I've met people who have obtained Ph.D.s in Infosec and they can't tell you about how anything they're trying to secure works. They love to spew off an endless list of big words they use with little regard to their real meanings, but they sound really intelligent when they do so... unless of course you know what it means.

Securing information requires understanding how it is stored and accessed. This means, programmers and network engineers (or ideally someone with genuine experience with both) is required to make a infosec person. But sadly, because of the bad reputation infosec has, I can't think of any people with the skillset that would be interested in such a step down.

The article mentions that women are far better represented in real subjects like science, mathematics and engineering. I regularly tell teenage girls that are looking for career advice they should go for a real science, not computer science or IT... but instead something like chemistry, physics, math, etc... and the reason for this is that they require the benefits of a stereotypical female mind. They are disciplines and in effect require discipline which men rarely have. Men often win all the love and awards for the accomplishments in these fields and often that's because of the reckless nature they take to achieve their results, but the real work in these fields is almost always done by people who can work without insisting on always starting a pissing contest about everything. Testosterone just doesn't really fit in fields that require disciplined intelligence.

Let's also point out that in most cases, InfoSec, IT in general, programming and often electronic engineering almost never (with the exception of bio tech) have any value to the world. It's not like curing diseases or creating a new non-toxic emulsifier for epoxy resin. I know every time I write a line of code, it has absolutely no value to the world in general. Math, science and physics generally tend to make a real difference or at least have a much better chance to make a difference.

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[cyber-vandal]

I've been in IT for 20 years and the lonely and socially inept have been a small minority of my colleagues. In any case the lonely and socially inept that you so despise were probably badly bullied at school. They're not going to be more social if people like you give them more of the same.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Clearly you've never seen the inside of any IT department.

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[metrix007]

Barbara, I don't really care what you have to say on this matter. I have ties to the community, and disagree with you signature.

I understand it's rude, but I think it's an important point and relevant to the discussion. I don't mean to out anyone, but people put themselves out there when using their real name.

Thanks though.

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[kheldan]

Um.. I'm really not sure what your purpose is in making that point? We're on the same side of this discussion, by the way.

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[kheldan]

..OK, why is it that people on the Internet seem incapable of seeing anything other than the extremes, and not the infinite shades of grey between the two? I never said 'I wish people had no emotions; what I said was (in case you can't be bothered to read the quote you included in your own comment-to-my-comment) is: "..from evolving towards our intellect having more control over our actions than our emotions" In case you're having trouble understanding that statement, let me elaborate for you: That does not, and is not intended to imply, that I wish humans had NO emotions, nor did I say they should IGNORE their emotions. I merely would like people, in general, to stop being ruled by their emotions, as evidenced by how gods-be-damned stupid people can act. Are we clear now?

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[Elledan]

No, I'm not transgender. Which you could easily have figured out if you had looked at my site. But this is Slashdot after all :)

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[Anonymous Coward]

So now I can't yell at my security consultant when they screw up because I might hurt their feelings?

I find it very difficult to establish an emotional conenction to inanimate hardware & software, especially when a supposedly knowledgeable human being misconfigures it!!!!!

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[ET3D]

Thanks for the great post. It's bothered me for quite a while now that people try getting women into IT, a field that's well known for work dissatisfaction and lack of job stability, and they keep trying to find all kinds of reasons to it, rather than women being more savvy than men about the jobs they choose.

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[Cederic]

I do. You forgot to mention the lace though.

Sadly society disapproves.

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[Cinnamon Beige]

Aside from suggesting that you perhaps ought to make an effort to demonstrate your goal yourself, it's also worth pointing out that people who hold that particular view have an interesting tendency to confuse 'a decision I do not like' with 'a decision fueled by emotions instead of intellect.' The bottom line is that the original person is very right: Humans are irrational and emotional beings.

Accepting this is, in fact, key to not letting that prevent yourself from letting your emotions rule you, because that enables you to compensate and ask yourself if you're just trying to rationalize a decision you made emotionally, and accept those moments when the only way to decide fast enough is to go with your emotions. So, too, is the idea that others may be making what are perfectly reasonable decisions that merely appear to you to be entirely emotional--they might have decided that y'know what, they're happier staying home with the trio of literal screaming infants because while their job does pay well it doesn't pay enough to make it worth dealing with the greater number of non-literal screaming infants there instead. While I would say this is an emotional decision, I'd also not consider it an irrational one: the only thing that's irrational is involving gender roles in this.

But if we're going to talk about gender roles, let's get back on-topic: Modern Western culture rewards and encourages women to behave in an emotional manner. It's not even a universal--in some cultures women are expected to be the tough, rational voice and the men emotional. The suggestion of using more emotional wording to try to increase the number of women in the field is very definitely reinforcing gender roles. This is particularly bad since there's actually good reasons to bring up the emotional aspects--this seems like the kind of job where you want somebody who is emotionally invested in doing the best job possible, and you're more likely to find people with that if you call on 'empathy for potential victims' than 'pride in work' because the latter's rare.

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[Anonymous Coward]

they cant help it cuz theyre retarded

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[Big Hairy Ian]

In Soviet Russia monotonous repetitive joke hits you

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[Anonymous Coward]

Or, for that matter, male students.

When I was in college, it was a frequent occurrence that some of the lazier male students would cozy up with me because they knew I was smart and worked hard, and figured because I was female, I would just let them cruise and not stand up for myself.

The rude awakening they got when I refused to let them walk all over me was priceless.

-LaurenC

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[gstoddart]

If you don't know, you must be browsing Slashdot with it set to hide all Anonymous Coward posts.

For years now ... precisely to prune out the crazies.

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[Grishnakh]

Yeah, I get that. The problem I have with it (not telling you what you should do, just my reason for not doing it) is that you also miss out on people who post AC for a very good reason, because posting under their real pseudonym can be dangerous for them. This happens quite a lot on here when people talk about their work; what they post is too unique and could help their employer figure out who they are, by looking at their overall comment history, and googling for that pseudonym, but with an AC post there's no way to tie it to any other posts.

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[Coren22]

Who are you to complain, that summary sounds like something you would write.

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[kheldan]

Aside from suggesting that you perhaps ought to make an effort to demonstrate your goal yourself

So pointing out what actually happened in this thread by way of defending myself is 'being ruled by my emotions'? Obvious troll, please bugger off, you're not worth my time.

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[BarbaraHudson]

Well yeah, if you clump around like some ape ... but good posture makes a big difference - it shifts your center of gravity back, raises your head, and shortens your stride - all important factors if you don't want to get clocked. Also, as you pointed out, makes is natural to put a little wiggle in your walk :-)

It's not like there aren't examples all over the place to observe and learn from ... though it might take a little time to unlearn the habits that kept you safe when you were posing as a guy before transition.

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[Coren22]

Well, Barbie's job is Infosec, and just look at her car and mansion. Who wouldn't want to do Infosec knowing it is what Barbie does for a living.

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[Coren22]

My curiosity is, how old were the survey respondents. "Cyber Security" wasn't even a career option just 10 years ago. It is a rather new career field. I do IT (Systems Engineer...designing and securing large groups of mostly email servers), when I was in high school, I don't even think my job field really existed, as I had never heard of it, and I don't know that many had. I graduated the same year Windows 98 came out, so servers weren't exactly common, and 90% of my classmates didn't even know what the internet was. I had a Windows NT Workstation system at home, and a Windows 95 system, and had setup the networking between the two (10baseT! OMG was that fast at the time! It did after all replace a null modem cable).

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[BarbaraHudson]

You are certainly free to disagree. However, one of the problems we have is that the greater LGBT movement has, in the public (and many of their members) minds confounded sex and gender. Transsexuals should not be grouped with the greater transgender community, nor the LGBT movement. Now, I don't care if someone is gay, lesbian, bi, or likes to cross-dress, but none of these have to do with gender identity - they're sexualized behaviors.

We're not about sexual practices. Unlike the LGBT movement, we achieved our results without having riots like Stonewall. We've been allowed to marry long before this became a matter of public debate, as long as our paperwork was in order. The LGBT movement did not help us achieve our goals. Quite the contrary, the confusion they've caused makes pretty much everyone assume that we must be gay, and that it's about sexual expression and behavior.

When leaders of the LGBT movement try to justify their claims that they're helping us by saying things like "we had drag queens on our Mardi Gras float this year", and then telling transsexual employees "Come on, you're really a gay man in a dress," it makes it pretty clear they don't have a clue.

We've had more rights, longer, than the gay community. If anything, they've been riding on our coattails. The public was fascinated by Christine Jorgenson, for example, She charged newspapers for interviews, she had an act that people paid to see ... the level of hate was nowhere what it became after the LGBT "took up our cause." We got hit, hard, with the splashback. With friends like that ...

Neither gays, lesbians, bisexuals, drag queens and kings, etc., want, or need, medical intervention to live a normal life. The intersexed and transsexuals are like the Sesame Street song: "One of these things doesn't belong here, one of these things is not the same."

As for "the community", I don't buy into it. MY community is my family, friends, neighbors, and everyone else I encounter on a day-to-day basis. Why would I want to be part of a "community" that says we need "safe spaces" to lead "authentic lives?" That tells us to be wary of the society around us, and that we'd be safer with them. That prefers to live in an apartheid-like mental ghetto of their own making? We have the laws on our side, we have the judges on our side, we have the medical community on our side, and we achieved this without violence. Without mass demonstrations. I don't want to sit around in the same city with others who bemoan "our" lack of rights and "our" non-acceptance and "our" need for safe spaces" I'm living my life the same as any other woman, and I'm enjoying the freedom of doing so. And by being open to answer questions from the general community, I'm paying it forward for all those who went before me. Not sitting around moaning and groaning to other transsexuals about how bad things are, or how tough life is.

When problems arose, I used the legal tools that are readily at hand to fix them. Not wait for someone else to "take up my cause." I'm not ashamed of who I am, and I will not live in fear, or be bullied. In other words, I have the courage of my convictions to sustain me.

I'm all for gay rights, but don't even try to include me in that group, because I'm not, and I shouldn't be forced to pretend I am because otherwise it will "harm the community." The "community" has no right to tell me what to do, how to act, what to believe. Ive never needed their help to live my life, and I'm not going to accept that I need special protection from the greater world, over and above what any other woman living here needs. The community is dis empowering when it comes to transsexuals. Time we all woke up and realized we have never needed them, and that by confusing the issues of sexual behavior and gender orientation by putting them under the same group, they have perpetuated ignorance about and towards us.

I've had online discussions with transsexuals who are living in the gay ghetto here, and i

Re:Speechless

[BarbaraHudson]

Um.. I'm really not sure what your purpose is in making that point? We're on the same side of this discussion, by the way.

Just a side note, is all :-) We're definitely on the same side on this one.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, men are more likely to act emotionally than women. Look at all the testosterone-fueled murders - mostly men.

ciatation needed.

Re:Speechless

[BarbaraHudson]

Thanks. Looking back, I'm glad my daughters didn't follow me into IT. Smart kids :-)

Re:Speechless

[BarbaraHudson]

Actually, men are more likely to act emotionally than women. Look at all the testosterone-fueled murders - mostly men.

ciatation (sic) needed.

Here you go

n the United States, men are much more likely to be incarcerated than women. More than 9 times as many men (5,037,000) as women (581,000) had ever at one time been incarcerated in a State or Federal prison at year end 2001.

In 2011, the United States Department of Justice compiled homicide statistics in the United States between 1980 and 2008. That study showed the following:
Males committed the vast majority of homicides in the United States at that time, representing 90.5% of the total number of offenders

Re:Speechless

[BarbaraHudson]

Teachers don't generally do career counseling in high school, and the ones that are sent to guidance counselors are the ones that are "problem students", more likely to drop out and are going to need help entering the low end of the work market if they don't change what they're doing.

Re:Speechless

[Archangel Michael]

get more diversity in tech

Unless you can prove absolute bias in Tech, against whatever group, you're basically making my case for me.

The goal should be the best candidate, not a diverse workplace. Since the days of Grace Hopper and Hedy Lamar, there have been notable women in Tech.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

That just shows the rampant anti-male bias of our judicial system!

See what I did there? If were a Wikipedia page about the incarceration rates of African-Americans or Hispanics, you would have been shouted down by the SJW crowd. But hey, since it's against men in general, no one said a thing.

Re:Speechless

[voodoobettie]

That's just what I thought when I read it too. (Also female developer.) Sometimes I think that people just don't get that infosec is interesting to some people, and not others. I doesn't really matter what gender the people happen to be. If you don't dig computers much, then you probably won't get more interested based on some change in nomenclature, which will fall down as soon as you realize "oh, you're talking about cybersecurity, right".

Re:Speechless

[voodoobettie]

I kind of feel that I want my girls to do something in IT / programming but sometimes I feel like all these rah-rah girls coding cheerleading incentives to get girls interested might actually give them the impression that normally they don't belong. Girls don't need pink computers, they just need an interest in how they work. That's how the rest of us learnt. I didn't know that IT wasn't a "girl" thing until I realised I was always the only girl in my class.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

Speechless? Coren22 is speechless against his greatest hits fails list posted here.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

> Ah. You must have a penis.

The days when you could assume that having a penis makes someone male are long-gone.

There are penile-Americans who identify as women, you insensitive clod!

Re:Speechless

[gweihir]

Ah, yes. I remember those. They try this with smart male students too, but are probably easier of fend off. Parasites.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

What utter twaddle. Some of us are somewhat in control over our emotions, and most certainly do not allow our emotions to take charge of ourselves.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

Were you always female though? IT has a lot of transgender folk in the field.

Which, I fully support, but there is a remote possibility that the majority of ciswomen are just not that interested.

You can use the terms, but what do you really know? A woman doesn't fit your view of the world and you accuse her of being transgendered? I'm afraid that you don't even realize that you and your views are a big part of the problem. How can you say you support people yet produce such a ridiculous comment? And, to top it off, you were modded up. The vast majority of people can't understand what it is to be transgendered.

Re:Speechless

[Anonymous Coward]

fucking retard

Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emotion

[JoeyRox]

I'm the furthest thing from an SJW but could this be any more insulting toward women?

Women are so easy to manipulate!

[Anonymous Coward]

Unlike men who are always so logical and rational. No weepy emotions when you have a Y chromosome, no making poor decisions because you're upset. Nope, men always do the right thing.

Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Joe_Dragon]

Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave where they can't fire you for using it.

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[leonbev]

Those will never happen, as those suggestions cost the company money.

Besides, most companies like the status quo and are happy for their female employees to work in Marketing or Sales (where a pretty face can help to get sales) instead of Engineering. This article is more of a bad PR stunt than anything else.

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Anonymous Coward]

Get yer dirty communism out of my country!!!

-Average Murkan dipshit

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Anonymous Coward]

Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave where they can't fire you for using it.

The Maternity leave won't fix the issue, even if it was mandated, which is that during (and often after) Pregnancy, women are in general less productive. That's not a slight, it's a simple fact. A lot of women get severe morning sickness, have frequent doctor's appointments, sometimes deal with severe depression, and experience dramatic hormonal shifts which can adversely affect mood, attitude, and interfere with rational thinking processes. The phrase "baby brain" is thrown around a lot, and for a damn good reason.
It's not fucking easy at all to stay on the cutting edge of a career (or continue advanced Education or training) while dealing with all that, let alone the time off for actual childbirth and at least a couple weeks following. Then if you go back to work, you're still dealing with a new infant, while paying some stranger to raise your kid. That's really, really difficult for anyone to deal with, even without the job. And if the worst of the pregnancy happens during the crunch time on a big project, it really affects everyone else and the woman misses out on a lot of opportunities to excel and stand out from the general rank-and-file.

The only way to make Maternity leave have a net zero effect on gender in the workforce, is to force the men to take all that time off along with the woman.

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Anonymous Coward]

Sooo...the only employable women are the ones with "pretty face(s)"?

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[BarbaraHudson]

Sooo...the only employable women are the ones with "pretty face(s)"?

Ask most actresses ...

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Anonymous Coward]

That's the thing - maternity leave doesn't really cost the company that much money.
Modern business never factors the value of "good will" into anything. An employee who is happy works better than one who is not, the security and happiness afforded by paid maternity is worth more than a spreadsheet can tell you.

Re:Get rid of the H1B's / have maternity leave

[Hognoxious]

I often wonder what happens when, say, Cheryl Fergison gets a call from her agent.

CF: So, tell me about the character.

A: She's a complex person. Highly capable, but not really recognized as such by her male colleagues. Has a tough exterior, but deep down ...

CF: [interrupting] She's fat and ugly, isn't she?

Still, I suppose it puts bread on the table. And a not insignificant number of cakes, by the look of it.

Sure, because women are shallow and easily swayed

[Anonymous Coward]

WHAT

THE

FUCK?!?!?!

Only if you use APPS!

[Anonymous Coward]

Modern app appers know that only apps can app apps, not LUDDITE hackers!

Apps!

Betteridge's Law Of Headlines

[Penguinisto]

..."no" especially applies here, since wording, subtlety, and semantics are a rather big pillar of infosec, for frig sakes. If you get butthurt in the adverts, then how do you expect to once you're in it?

PS: 14% and 14.5% aren't far enough off to get anyone's panties in a bunch (yes, pun intended).

Wording, really?!

[holophrastic]

A sensitive bunch, to be sure. Perhaps, if a group isn't interested in a subject, just maybe you shouldn't try to con them into it? There's nothing wrong with someone being disinterested in something.

Re:Wording, really?!

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps, if a group isn't interested in a subject, just maybe you shouldn't try to con them into it? There's nothing wrong with someone being disinterested in something.

Especially "Information security". Yes, there is a real need for this niche role in large organizations and government, but from what I have seen there are far too many people in information security and not enough people actually implementing best practices. If it is true, then perhaps women aren't interested in "Information security" because they are smart enough to avoid it.

Re:Wording, really?!

[Mr.CRC]

There is something very much wrong with it, if it is an individual's choice. We'll have none of that!

In other words...

[halivar]

"We could attract more women to infosec if we fool them into thinking it's not really infosec." Guys, Dice, get it through your thick skulls: the ladies just aren't into you. Accept their decision and move on.

Re:In other words...

[neoritter]

No means no!

Re:In other words...

[Coren22]

Apparently, Yes means yes!

Re:In other words...

[neoritter]

No, yes means yes for now, but I reserve the right to change my answer at any time.

Re:In other words...

[Type44Q]

Guys, Dice, get it through your thick skulls: the ladies just aren't into you.

Dice, he's right you know.... but all's not lost; some of us think you look mighty cute in them jeans...

;)

Re:In other words...

[edtice1559]

I so wish I had mod points.

Re:In other words...

[gweihir]

Indeed. Apparently these people think it means "we can talk about it" and that being dishonest and manipulative is fine.

Re:In other words...

[Anonymous Coward]

"We could attract more women to infosec if we fool them into thinking it's not really infosec."

Good point. It _is_ war. Maybe you could attract more women by talking about gmail passwords, but that is handled by robots. Infosec is about avoiding bank runs, bread lines, outages of communications, travel, and power, and the ultimate realization of Stalin's dream. It's a war we're losing, but the last thing we need is bodies filling chairs who aren't fighting it.

Maybe we can get women on board by saying "your children's future depends on doing this work correctly, and currently it is not getting done"?

If we can't, I sure hope men start doing it.

Can we please stop re-engineering the world?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just let people choose what professions suit them, instead of trying to lure people in?

Re:Can we please stop re-engineering the world?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, because then we'd have a world populated by Paris Hiltons and rock star wannabe's instead of ditch diggers and trash workers. Two more jobs that I bet are slim on women...I wonder if they just changed the job descriptions...

Does it matter?

[Anonymous Coward]

Let woman do what they want to do, and let men do what they want to do.

Why is there an imperative to force woman into IT? Should men be forced into specialties historically dominated by women? If so, why?

Re:Does it matter?

[Coren22]

Well, we can't have that, then women might not get paid penny to penny to do touchy feely jobs like nursing instead of STEM jobs where the money is.

Re: Does it matter?

[bill_mcgonigle]

but we have to treat people as collectives, not individuals! Wait ...

Frankly, industry members could start by showing much lower tolerance for awful hours, dead-end careers, and generalized workplace assholery. Oh, but that's more expensive than pinkwashing and working together is hard. If you all stand up to the Deathmarches you don't need to fear the H1B worker. Look in the mirror, righteous warriors.

Re:Does it matter?

[Grishnakh]

Nursing is probably a better career choice than STEM anyway: it's extremely stable (you have to be really incompetent to get fired as a nurse), the pay is pretty good if you're an RN, there's no ageism, the hours are good (since you actually get paid for your 40 hours and get overtime if you go over), and the social atmosphere is a lot better. Also, you can work anywhere, since there's almost no place that doesn't have a hospital nearby, whereas in STEM you're stuck working in certain cities depending on your industry and specialty.

Honestly, I frequently wish I had gone into a medical profession instead of engineering. Maybe not nursing exactly, but one of the jobs like medical imaging technicians might have been a good choice. I wouldn't make as much absolute money as I do now, but the career stability and better socialization would have made up for it.

Re: Does it matter?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you had gone into nursing, you would realize the crap they put up with. Their bosses do threaten them with firing. They do get horrible work schedules with 12 hour shifts. And the pay? A lot of it sucks. Plus they're not hiring if they can get you PRN.

No, shit sucks in that field too.

Re:Does it matter?

[gweihir]

This comes from people that do not understand the relation between cause and effect: They think by changing the numbers, they can change the conditions that lead to these numbers. Of course, that cannot work.

Re:Does it matter?

[Anonymous Coward]

...and as a plus, as a nurse, you have demonstrated valuable skills such as being capable of critical thinking in chaotic situations and demonstrating success, where a software developer would just say "hey, this scenario wasn't part of the spec, it isn't my fault if it fails" and just stack up the dead bodies to stabilize his desk chair.

If you think nurses (oh, and imaging techs) aren't overall out-earning you via a mix of earnings, benefits, and stability, you are navel-gazing.

That mohawk you have won't look so elite and smart at age 30. You also know the software industry considers you useless by then, right?

Need more emotion?!!?

[Virtucon]

"Your password was cracked! /quote

ramifications: because terrorists now have your password, your baby is now on fire!

What a dumb summary and an even dumber premise.

Re:Need more emotion?!!?

[tnk1]

Bad physical security, poor password security

Ramifications: Because terrorists were able to steal the password to your hibernation pods, they were able to steal your baby and kill your spouse. Now, because of that, you need to go on a rip roaring rampage of revenge through a post-apocalyptic wasteland to get your baby back.

Could I Possibly Care Any Less?

[Anonymous Coward]

The answer to both of these riveting questions is NO!

Is it Friday already?

[hackertourist]

n/t

Fuck off

[Anonymous Coward]

How's that wording? Fuck off feminists.

If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[petes_PoV]

Information security is an endeavor that is frequently described in terms of war

And no sane person likes war ... right?

The point is that to make Infosec more attractive to normal, sane, people the intent should be changed from one of confrontation and dominance to one that coveys an intent to make the world better, more secure, safer, and protected from the crazies out there.

If that sounds a lot like the (female dominated) caring professions, then so be it. But if you really believe that Infosec is there as part of a "war" then carry on as you were ...

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[jedidiah]

Nope.

"More secure,safer,and protected from the crazies" sounds more like being a police officer than being in one of the "caring professions".

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, fearmongering and calculating attack vectors isn't really a happy feel-good type of operation is it?

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Sable Drakon]

Except that InfoSec kinda is warfare. Sure, it's not a shooting war, but it's no less violent, aggressive, and brutal. The phrase 'If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen' comes to mind. Because if you try and sugar-coat InfoSec, you'll end up with a lot of people entering the field that feel as if they got the bad end of a deal and hate their job.

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Mr.CRC]

Sounds like you don't understand the real purpose of police.

Re: If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Anonymous Coward]

They haven't had much purpose ever since Sting left.

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Gryle]

Enlighten us then?

Re:If that wording reflected a change in attitude

[Mr.CRC]

http://www.amazon.com/Arrest-P...

one effective way to get girls to feel passionate

[turkeydance]

somebody trademark that phrase.

The old B-E-D trick

[HideyoshiJP]

Who would have thought those silly women could be fooled by changing of wording? While I don't care for some of the "women in STEM" shenanigans going on lately, this just strikes me as insulting to women.

Better Ideas

[Anonymous Coward]

Use lots of pink, jewelry, and ponies!

Re:Better Ideas

[viperidaenz]

Pink keyboards, mice and IDE skins! Brilliant idea!

Because like, OMG,

[CQDX]

all women coders are like Elle Woods from Legally Blonde and won't take a job unless you feminize it. What an insult.

Re:Because like, OMG,

[serviscope_minor]

won't take a job unless you feminize it

Or alternatively, men are excessively attracted because the job description has been masculinized.

It's interesting how you think the current state is some default to be feminized, rather than some non default because it's been masculinized.

I'm not going to claim either, but I will point out bias in your assumptions.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[neoritter]

An SJW would actually promote this tactic. There was an article from CNNMoney a year ago that honestly said that we'd have more women going for IT jobs if we changed the wording of the job description. For instance use cooperative instead of competitive. Or don't use hard work in the description.

So, to make it like everything else

[Anonymous Coward]

So, to make it like everything else in the world, saturated with drama. Reality TV. The stuff that since being 9, I engrossed myself in tech to escape from. So much for "diversity".

Listen Up Geek Managers...

[sycodon]

...You have to go out to meet hot women. You can't count on hiring them.

Re:Listen Up Geek Managers...

[Anonymous Coward]

I wish someone had told me this a long time ago.

Re:Listen Up Geek Managers...

[Coren22]

Unfortunately, you shouldn't try to date the ones you hire, that tends to lead to sexual harassment lawsuits, and losing your job...you are much better meeting them on Geek2Geek :)

A better question

[Crashmarik]

Could a change in wording repel the parasites trying to turn software development into a political football ?

Something like

[Anonymous Coward]

Work with lots of muscular sexy men?

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[gurps_npc]

Like you, I am a guy, but I agree - this is insulting to women.

It's kind of like saying, "You know, those poor, oversensitive women. The problem isn't harassment, unfair pay, or things like that. It's just that we are using the wrong words."

You want to hire more women? Pay them the same as guys and crush any attempt to harass them with an iron first.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

Something I've noticed is that the SJW diversity push is effectively pushing skilled women (and skilled minorities, for that matter) OUT of tech.

Partly it's because it's become a self-fulfilling prophecy that "women don't do tech." Where as before a technically inclined woman would do the same things that technically inclined men do, now they've been taught by SJWs that they "aren't welcome in tech" no matter what they experience. So they just don't enter because they've been told again and again that they're not welcome, without realizing that the people telling them that don't even work in tech in the first place.

It also means that where before, people knew a woman in tech was there because she had earned the job, now you have to wonder if she's a "diversity hire" who's there not because she was the best for the job but because she allowed the company to check off "employs women" on the SJW score-card.

I've seen women actively leave where I work not because they didn't enjoy the job but because my employer has started doing this whole "encourage women in STEM" thing and all they've really accomplished is crapping all over the accomplishments of the women who work there. They're no longer "the best in the field" they're now "the best women we could find." Turns out being told "you're only here 'cause you're a woman" is really demoralizing to technically skilled women.

And so now, they're leaving the field entirely, giving SJWs even more to whine about.

What did they do for science

[avandesande]

"As of 2011, women earn 60 percent of bachelor-level biology degrees. Women also earn between 40 and 50 percent of chemistry, mathematics and statistics, and Earth sciences undergraduate degrees"

So what did they do to get women involved with the sciences.... did they change the lingo to better suit women?

Re:What did they do for science

[JustNiz]

More to the point, what are they doing to fix this terrible gender imbalance and attract more men into Biology degrees?

Re:What did they do for science

[Octorian]

No. They specifically cited the only fields of science where women have significant representation, while ignoring all the other fields where they're an extreme minority.

Re:What did they do for science

[vux984]

What? Your university didn't rename
Earth Sciences to "Where are the Kittens at?" and Biology to "Adorable Kitten Studies"?

Re:What did they do for science

[oh_my_080980980]

It's called recruiting. A large part of it is letting people know these fields and careers exist. The other part is encouraging them. What a lot of people fail to understand is that several generations of women were not encouraged to go to college and have a career. That started to change in the '60s and '70s. Even today you have people against women serving in combat. So you have women that want to serve in combat and people actively preventing them.

So yes, gender bias does exist, even today.

Re:What did they do for science

[oh_my_080980980]

Really: "Women are well represented in the science and mathematics areas of STEM, but not in technology and engineering. "

Re:What did they do for science

[avandesande]

So how are they recruiting differently for IT vs sciences? Did they use a more appealing language for chemistry or mathematics- probably not. So you are agreeing that the premise of the OP is incorrect?

Re:What did they do for science

[Anonymous Coward]

"As of 2011, women earn 60 percent of bachelor-level biology degrees. Women also earn between 40 and 50 percent of chemistry, mathematics and statistics, and Earth sciences undergraduate degrees"

Is that why so many studies can't be replicated or verified?

*dives for cover

Re: What did they do for science

[Anonymous Coward]

And who is stopping them from serving, exactly? As a male, my parents discouraged me from service as they wanted me in a safer career. It wouldn't have made a difference to me though, if that was what I really wanted to do.

Are you saying that women are far more sensitive to someone around them giving discouragement? In the face of the slightest bit of adversity they will give up because they are weak?

Give me a break.

Re:What did they do for science

[Anonymous Coward]

More to the point, what are they doing to fix this terrible gender imbalance and attract more men into Biology degrees?

We should change wording in fishing, construction recycling and maintenance industries which are disturbingly disproportional. No doubt it will generate massive interest in the female population and force males to seek out other, less lucrative opportunities.

Re:What did they do for science

[Gibgezr]

No. They specifically cited the only fields of science where women have significant representation, while ignoring all the other fields where they're an extreme minority.

There are only two fields of science where women are an "extreme minority": engineering and computer science. There is math, where they are in a minority, but not really "extreme minority". There are many more fields where women are a significant majority, as it happens...like, by far most fields of study. And there are many large fields of study where men are the "extreme minority", and more extremely in the minority than the women are facing in engineering and science.

Source:
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/di...

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[IceAgeComing]

Don't feed the News Troll. They want your painties in a twist.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm the furthest thing from an SJW but could this be any more insulting toward women?

That was my reaction too. I am a natural-born woman though I suppose the SJWs will argue even that point of truth.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

There was an article from CNNMoney a year ago that honestly said that we'd have more women going for IT jobs if we changed the wording of the job description. .....Or don't use hard work in the description.

Oh, then you'd get millennials wanting to go into IT!

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[lgw]

I find the whole concept of Penis-and-Vagina Accounting applied to software development insulting toward women. The whole attraction of geeky fields (at least to me) is that they're about your mind, not your body. Do you have the geek mindset? Bright and intellectually curious and fearless? Welcome about. Reducing that to "but how many penis and how many vaginas" soils the field. That aspect shouldn't be important, and focusing on some unimportant aspect of biology is certainly insulting: it's reducing people to their junk.

I'll take them seriously...

[JustNiz]

when they also show an even slight concern about the much greater imbalance of 90-95% females in most nursing degree programs, and a similar problem in teaching.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[Opportunist]

This just in, women prefer to work with people and be liked by them instead of going into it security, be seen as the company gestapo and avoided by every coworker...

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[JustNiz]

No you don't get it. Women are _always_ innocent victims of everything, so just because there isnt exact numbers of both genders in infosec, it MUST be something wrong with the whole field rather than anything to do with womens actual freedom of choice.
Obviously this is all just a giant plot and the fault of every male on the planet, to keep all women opressed and out of the "old boys club" that is infosec, where we all sit about in big leather chairs, drink brandy and smoke fat cigars all the time.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[serviscope_minor]

Every single thread like this some idiot like you pipes up with this. Every time someone goes and digs out the numerous links about people pointing out this is a serious problem and attempts to remedy it.

I've done it many times.

I can only assume now, you're an idiot who's impervious to learning or an idiot who's incapable of using google.

I'm fairly sure it's the former and that you actually have a strong desire to not change your beliefs on the matter. If you're merely an ignorant, lazy dumbass as opposed to a nutjob dumbass, then you can correct it by going here:

http://www.google.com/

and entering words relating to men in nursing. I'm 99.5% sure you won't do that however.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[JustNiz]

Oh you mean like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

The point you are making is vague at best (other than you clearly being a fucking rude, arrogant twat for no reason), but if you're trying to suggest there are actually more male nurses than 5-10% as I pointed out, you're also factually wrong according to wikipedia.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[serviscope_minor]

Hells bells, man!

You complain about people not caring about "men in nursing" (wtf? is this a nursing site or a tech site) the "prove" me "wrong" by posting a link where the 3rd item in the table of contents is about increasing representation of men in nursing.

other than you clearly being a fucking rude, arrogant twat for no reason

Well, you annoyed me by whittering mindlessly about an issue that's covered in every single one of these threads and covered in a link you sent me to prove me wrong.

I think rudeness is justified because you're an idiot.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[JustNiz]

I think ignoring you from now on is justified because you can't discuss things without being an arrogant, rude dick.

Re:I'll take them seriously...

[serviscope_minor]

Discuss what? You blither about people not caring about male nurses on a tech site for some reason, even though people do in fact care.

Feminism

[CauseBy]

If we are choosing between "let women decide what they want" and "try to manipulate women into doing what you think they should do", then I guess I would have to say that only the first option is consistent with human dignity.

I'm a programmer on a team of about ten, all men. We were at lunch one day talking about it and my boss said he went way out of his way to try to hire women. He said he proactively sent invitations to CS programs soliciting women, sent invitations to women on LinkedIn, and as a rule he would interview any woman who applied, regardless of the resume (is that gender equality? whatever).

He got zero female applicants. Zero. We have women at the company, we have women doing programming, but none doing the kind of programming that my team does. My best guess, informed by personal experience, is that women are just a lot less likely to want to do this work. There might be more than zero, but the rate is less than 1/10th of the rate for men, which on a team this size means there are zero women.

Re:Feminism

[Anonymous Coward]

Did your boss mention he was looking specifically for female developers? I've had interviews before that were oh so excited that I was a woman in tech and they didn't have any women on their team, that it dominated the conversation and made me feel like I was only contacted because of my gender.

Re:Feminism

[Grishnakh]

Unfortunately, that's quite possible (see the OP's remark about his boss saying he would interview *any* woman who applied, regardless of the resume"). That's what you get when you have an extreme situation: people will do things to try to correct it that they normally wouldn't do.

I know some men will disagree with me on this, as they actually like their "boy's club", but many of us really wish we had more women around us at work. What kind of weird guy wants to only be around men all the time, except for the 1 female he shares a house with? That just isn't healthy.

Re:Feminism

[viperidaenz]

One could argue that men traditionally are the hunters, spending all day with other men hunting, while women spend their time gathering and taking care of children.

The came farming, and fucked it all up. Now everyone's confused.

Re:Feminism

[Anonymous Coward]

What kind of weird guy wants to only be around men all the time, except for the 1 female he shares a house with?

The kind of guy who doesn't think getting to look at boobs while on the job outweighs the risk of being sued or laid off because she accuses him of oppressing her.

Re:Feminism

[Grishnakh]

I've got an argument against the hunter/gatherer angle:

In a traditional hunter/gatherer community, such as those in Hawaii before European contact, there's a lot of mixing of the sexes. Sure, supposedly the men did the hunting and the women did the gathering, but there was more to their daily lives than that: they came back to the village and gathered together, making food, etc. So they spent a good amount of time in mixed company, just not during part of the day (this assumes that the hunting and gathering really were segregated).

These days, we don't have any of that. We go to work for 9+ hours (including lunch hour), then we come home to our spouse and maybe kids, and that's it (this assumes you're married; if you're single, you come home to your cat or dog and TV). We don't have communities any more. We don't live with other people, just our nuclear families. So the only mixed company most people in our society get outside of work is going to be something like church, or whatever other extracurricular activities they have on the weekends.

Finally, as an aside, from what I've read about traditional Hawaiian culture (pre-contact), they didn't even have marriage, or any kind of pair bonding. They were entirely promiscuous, had sex parties, no one knew who kids' fathers were (or cared), and kids were taken care of by the village collectively. This didn't apply to royalty though. It's entirely possible that our whole notion of marriage and long-term pair bonding is a modern (post-agriculture) invention.

Re:Feminism

[viperidaenz]

That's really sad, that you have no friends and assume everyone else is the same.

Re:Feminism

[Mr.CRC]

Your boss has internalized misogyny causing him to commit many unconscious grammatical microaggressions triggering traumatic stress levels in the women who read the job postings. He needs to be sent to a sensitivity training camp.

Re:Feminism

[Mr.CRC]

That must be very frustrating. I've always argued that this social engineering will wind up making things worse.

Re:Feminism

[Kellamity]

If I interviewed and got the vibe they were just keen on my because they wanted a women, I'd not be very so willing to take the job.

Who wants to work in a team that are thinking at the back of their minds, 'well the boss only hired her because she's a women, she probably wouldn't have gotten an interview otherwise' even if you did have the skills. Or worse, did not have the skills and got hired anyway!

I landed a pretty competitive position a couple years ago and someone from university had to nerve to say to me they probably just liked that I was a woman. No buddy, I'm actually just better than you and very talented and personable. I was later involved in intern recruitment for the same company and we didn't even take any women this year, none of them were good enough. I am a developer, for context. Also a women if that was unclear. lol ;)

Re:Feminism

[serviscope_minor]

One could argue that men traditionally are the hunters

One could argue that, but one could also argue that trying to reason based on exceptionally simplistic and often incorrect ideas about how our very distant ancestors behaved is pretty silly unless you're after one of these awards:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id...

Re:Feminism

[CauseBy]

I have a question for you, why do you think there are so few female programmers now versus all of the world's early programmers being women? I figure it's because "those were the limited opportunities women had back then, so they took it", not "because women back then super duper wanted to be programmers, while men didn't". Do you agree with that? Do you think The System is squeezing out women now, or do you think women just less frequently want to program?

Re:Feminism

[Kellamity]

What do you mean by 'early programmers'? Do you mean the people who operated the early computing machines, which was considered menial work and suitable for women? Or was there an era more recently when programming was a popular womens job (I am not aware of one though statistics show enrollments for women in CS have gone down again in recent years, I seem to recall reading somewhere.) I imagine it would have been the kind of job that was repetitive and boring and easy for people to learn and do, while the men did the more important things. Like my grandmother was a book keeper, it was basically considered to be 'just punching number in' and updating records, while she probably worked for a man who was the accountant. I feel like early programming might have been like that? I think you are right, women were offered several jobs to choose from, you can be a typist, a receptionist, a switchboard worker etc.

So... now that programming is considered important, and difficult, I can see there would have been a swing back towards it being 'mens' work. I'm sure my mother was never offered it as a possible career choice.

These days though, there's really nothing stopping people from pursuing any career they want. My high school we all did cooking, sewing, computer studies, metalwork, woodwork, doesn't matter what gender you were. Then you could pursue whichever subjects you wanted in later years. I don't see how any system could squeeze anyone out. We all learned BASIC in year 8, pretty much everyone hated it. I liked it, so I was encouraged to do the harder of the two IT subjects in year 12 (we did programming in Pascal and VB while the other one they did excel and word). I was never given the impression it was a boys subject, though I was the only girl in the class.

Personally, I think that most women just aren't interested. The kind of people who make good programmers are those who like to understand how things work and learn how to build things. Women in general just like to learn how to use things. Plus it's a bit of a crappy job and I think most women are smart enough to see that. I love it though. There's something wrong with me. None of my female friends are interested in learning how to put a PC together, or learn much code beyond customising a wordpress site. I don't think it's because the opportunities aren't there. I think it's because they can do anything they want, and they have better things in mind.

Re:Feminism

[CauseBy]

"What do you mean by 'early programmers'? Do you mean the people who operated the early computing machines, which was considered menial work and suitable for women?"

Yes that's what I mean: Lovelace, then the women who programmed ENIAC, and so on. It seemed to switch by the time NASA was trying to program spaceships. My historical perspective is just what you said: the work was considered menial thus was offered to women, who had only a few options to choose from.

"Personally, I think that most women just aren't interested."

Yeah, this is most of why I think fewer women program, with a sizable minority reason also being that once a field is dominated by one sex then the other sex has somewhat of a barrier to it (consider nursing). So I think it's both of those things, but more of the former.

"Plus it's a bit of a crappy job and I think most women are smart enough to see that."

Ha ha, me too, I feel that way -- it's a terrible job which my brain enjoys. How wonderful, right, to have a job that is both easy and pays well, all because everybody else finds it scary and boring.

Thanks for your opinion. Good luck.

Re:Feminism

[CauseBy]

I don't think so. We "social engineered" the end of slavery, the end of child labor, universal education. Most people consider those to be net positives; I do. The goodness of the engineering is the sum of the goodness it produces, which might be positive or negative.

It could work

[Krishnoid]

He found that one effective way to get girls to feel passionate about security was to create an emotional connection with the subject: e.g. the shock and distress of seeing your drone hacked or your password exposed

Right -- the old 'shock and awww' approach. I guess it's true -- an effective way to induce passion (an emotion) in humans is to, you know, describe things using emotionally-laden descriptions. Protip -- some parents use a variation of this when telling a child to "Use your words."

Trust networks

[Anonymous Coward]

I bet one way to describe security is essentially networks of trust. For instance, if you're exchanging keys with people, you're deciding how much you're going to trust them. Every decision you make in security basically comes down to how much do you trust this or that node.

So you can describe a lot more in terms of relationships.

If I was female I'd be insulted.

[JustNiz]

The massive implication here is that women can't decide their own career for themselves and are dumb enough to choose a whole career path just because of some emotional trigger words.

Re:If I was female I'd be insulted.

[Anonymous Coward]

My wife's defining moment was when she won a computer programming contest in camp and got some crappy 'girl' loser trophy because the organizers never assumed a girl could beat all the guys and they didn't want to give her the guy trophy. So, emotional triggers work in all sorts of ways....

Pissing kids off does work sometimes. If you can keep them feeling accomplished, but 'wronged' they might be on to something.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

It is not just penis and vagina, but sexual orientation. It has sadly come to the point where if you don't cheer everyone for everything possible, you are a bigot and victimizing them. You didn't fire that person for being lazy and not working, you fired them for being transgender. You didn't hire that guy because he was qualified, you hired them because you are a bigot against anything that a person could possibly claim they identify with.

Standing in for serviscope_minor

[Hognoxious]

Pay them the same as guys and crush any attempt to harass them with an iron first.

But be sure to let them define harassment.

Ignoring them or paying attention to them is a good start. As is anything in between. Or anything at all, in fact.

Re:Standing in for serviscope_minor

[Anonymous Coward]

Fortunately, technology is closing the wage gap fast.

The first phase was the industrial revolution, which eventually led to women's lib in the 70s, allowing women to work the same jobs as men, as physical strength is no longer so important (except in a few cases, like the military, where it's actually gotten more important).

The second phase is internet porn, which has resulted in men no longer tolerating women who don't pull their weight (thus movements like MGTOW).

Could this be any more insulting to women?

[Opportunist]

Are you aware what you're saying there? You're saying that women are scared away from a field because of how it is described. They are according to this piece scared of words. Are you fucking serious? Can you get any more condescending and belittling?

I am in it security. And as far as I can tell it's the reputation the field has that is to blame for the gender gap, and how itsecs are treated by their coworkers. We don't tend to be the most social of people. On one hand because that's basically the reputation that we have (it's self perpetuating, on one hand we have that rep, on the other hand people who aren't too fond of too much human interaction choose the field, further reinforcing that stereotype), on the other hand itsec is usually as well liked as controlling. People feel uncomfortable talking to us. Because we might hear something that makes us go "Whhaaaaaat did you say?"

Most women probably just don't want to be outcasts.

Re:Could this be any more insulting to women?

[Actually, I do RTFA]

You're saying that women are scared away from a field because of how it is described. They are according to this piece scared of words. Are you fucking serious?

Of all the things to pick on, you choose the one sane thing? Everyone is scared away from various fields because of how it's described. I didn't join the Army because the way it's described is: "carry a gun while people shoot at you". That scared me away from that field.

Now, you probably meant the specifics about how it was described, but...

Re:Could this be any more insulting to women?

[Cederic]

Isn't the US army job spec now, "Sit in an air-conditioned office in a comfy chair playing flight sims in which you can rack up an awesome kill/death ratio"?

Re:Could this be any more insulting to women?

[iheartwookies]

The only people that scared me away (almost but I'm in Infosec so I overcame it) was the guys at cons assuming I'm "someone's girlfriend". Until I realized, it's up to me to just ignore that mess and have the courage to just speak up and be myself. I felt at first like I had to 'act like a guy' or like one of the guys to fit in and realized after awhile I didn't. I do think many young women can feel this way, like they have to adapt in ways to fit into a field. There is a lot of egoism in Infosec that thankfully, I'm noticing, seems to be going away these days. While I feel the author meant well, it is a discussion overall worth having if people even want more women in Infosec. I see it improving by leaps and bounds though.

Re:Could this be any more insulting to women?

[Anonymous Coward]

The only people that scared me away (almost but I'm in Infosec so I overcame it) was the guys at cons assuming I'm "someone's girlfriend".

Yes, but then you ahve to realize that 99% of all the girls they even met in that setting was someones girlfriend.

So its that insidious form of sexism that's called "experience". Its what humans do. We spend most of our time trying not to think and analyse as that's just too bloody hard, instead trying our best to as quickly as possible fall back on our experience instead. It's an absolutely necessary labor and energysaving device. That's a whole nuther ballgame than good old fashioned sexism that would have made you meet active hostility as soon as you stated you were in the same field.

That people are trying to "peg" you as quickly and efforlessly as possible, that's just the way we are.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm glad I'm not the only person to notice this.

Ugh...

[EmeraldBot]

If Mr. Editor here had two neurons to rub together, he would actually read the comments and see how fewer and fewer people are supporting him. He's done so much damage towards this cause, I wonder if that's what he intended from the beginning? Having special advantages for either gender was always sexist, I thought, but this is worse than even that.

Re:Ugh...

[Anonymous Coward]

There is no cause. Mr. Editor's job is not to post quality submissions, it is to post shit that people will click on and generate pageviews and ad impressions. Stupid bullshit like this makes any sane person uncomfortable at least, and in a lot of cases just downright mad, and a lot of these people will go to comments to voice the problems they have with the article. Then, a couple of trolls and/or marxists come along and start arguing with them, calling them nazis and rapists for denying that every man is "privileged", and before you know it you have 500+ comments and tens of thousands of ad impressions.

It's our fault for commenting on this, for getting mad. If we just paid no attention to the idiots they'd go away.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Krishnoid]

giving SJWs even more to whine about

I know you didn't mean it in quite this way, but ... yeah.

Could we attract more Yorkshire people?

[Hognoxious]

Could we attract more Yorkshire people by changing the name of everything to "whippet" or "Tetley's"?

Obvious correlation?

[Anonymous Coward]

14% of military are women and 14.5% of infosec employees are women. Maybe that says more about what ~86% of women think about joining the military than it does about their oppinion on STEM subjects?

Re: Obvious correlation?

[Anonymous Coward]

In hind sight "their interest in STEM subjects" would have been a better way to word it...

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Applehu Akbar]

I'm the furthest thing from an SJW but could this be any more insulting toward women?

Only if you...let's see now..introduced shoe metaphors?

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[guruevi]

They already get paid more than men on an absolute level. The statistic used in unfair wages arguments is the estimated lifetime income which tends to be lower for women because they tend to stay home with kids while dad goes to work.

If you hire someone and explicitly pay them less based on gender, you're a lawsuit waiting to happen.

create an emotional connection

[Anonymous Coward]

Bingo! That's how girls are wired.
But we're supposed to treat girls as little men to be politically correct... ..not on my watch!

CAP === 'pearls'

And more importantly...

[flacco]

...who gives a fuck?

Re:And more importantly...

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly. The problem isn't "we need more women in field x," it's "women in field x quit/are unhappy/want female company."

Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[pecosdave]

with getting women to do what they don't want to do?

Namely work in STEM fields.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[Anonymous Coward]

Because it's more likely to draw a bunch of comments complaining about it. When the bulk of your stories are either stupid or "old news" due to the screwed up mod system, you end up going with click-bait.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[LessThanObvious]

I think it's because they know we read and comment on the things that piss us off just as much, or more than content that is actually interesting. Any half-ass SJW opinion piece is bound to get 300 comments in no time. Congratulations Dice, you annoyed most of your female readership with your patronizing nonsense.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[Mr.CRC]

Feminism is collectivism. It is now a far greater danger to the freedom of individual women than any of the societal ills that it claims to rectify.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[pecosdave]

I would argue trying to manipulate women - as this article suggest we should do - is far from feminism. It's all in the name of collectivism of course.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[BarbaraHudson]

Maybe because, as in this case, they're reporting what some people in the industry are saying, and why they're saying it. You know, exposing the stupidity for all and sundry to see while maintaining neutrality. It's more evidence of what those making the decisions really think of us - as dumb-as-a-rock, easily manipulated cows. MOO!

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[Mr.CRC]

Don't you think there has been a trend even in 2nd wave feminism to persuade women that being a housewife was not being a team player? I think the existentialist core philosophy that started feminism was compatible with individualism, but its been downhill ever since.

Re:Why are Slashdot Editors obsessed

[Anonymous Coward]

It's more evidence of what those making the decisions really think of us - as dumb-as-a-rock, easily manipulated cows. MOO!

And they are correct. Now get back to work and produce some more wealth for them to enjoy.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[Grishnakh]

The gender pay gap thing is just dumb anyway. If I run a company, and I could save ~25% by just hiring women, why wouldn't I do that? We should see men having a hard time getting employment if this were the case, but it's not.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[Anonymous Coward]

Or you could just say that the single mother made 3,000 a week working from home.

Gossip

[dohzer]

Why not just tell them they'll get to read other people's gossip without them knowing?!

Equality

[viperidaenz]

How about we try and get more men in to biology?

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[vel-ex-tech]

(First of all, holy cow, Dice! Just remade an account and WTF happened to D1? Oh well.)

You didn't fire that person for being lazy and not working, you fired them for being transgender.

Doubtful. Please provide citation. Like the deaths from cannabis edibles in Colorado, it may have happened once or twice, but this is certainly not the case.

It is true that if you fire a woman who simply can't code for shit, the SJWs and 3rd wave "feminists" will come after your ass, but only if she's a womyn-born-womyn (and white).

Observe the true horror of what the SJWs* have done to us. Trust me. Transphobia is very much alive and well. Us geeks are some of the most tolerant types. I have never faced or observed transphobia from a geek, at least one under 40. Yet we're being painted in the media as being a bunch of closed-minded woman-hating misogynerds. Look to Brianna Wu to see exactly what SJWs think of trans folks.

Now, that's a complicated point but bear with me here. Brianna Wu is trans, but she just doesn't want to admit it. In fact, I see the position she's taken, and I can't say I disagree. In an ideal world, Brianna Wu, yourself, myself, and every other person out there would just be women and men, and we'd have no use for my trans- this cis- that all over the place. I want to live in that world. I would be delusional to think I do live in that world, however.

Why do you think that whatever that project of Canonical's was needed to not only emphasize that they accepted trans women, but genderqueer folks? Do you think it was because they earnestly wanted help from anyone and everyone who wasn't a (cis/trans) man? Nope, try again. The SJWs imo, well, they don't really help anyone, but they certainly don't give a damn about trans women because we're not "real" women. We weren't "born" that way.

I'd argue that yes I was, because I'm the body part between my ears, not the one between my legs that was mutilated anyway within 24 hours of taking my first breath. SJWs would beg to differ. Their world is the world of oppressed womyn-born-womyn and us "invaders" who retain male privilege (somehow) and should FEEL GUILTY.

I'm the AC who's been complaining about gaslighting asshole managers. It's true. I've seen two women, one cis, one trans, get chased out of tech by gaslighting asshole managers, usually from the executive level. Why would an executive waste his time on a lowly tech in the trenches? Yet, the SJWs focus their hate on us, nerds and geeks who like I said seem to me to be the most tolerant and accepting people I know.

I would also like to add that blacks seem to be in a similar position. The SJWs will come after you with their FEEL GUILTY crap, they'll interrupt your rallies with their #blacklivesmatter shit, but at the end of the day, they don't care about the racism I've observed several gaslighting asshole managers display.

Us geeks value that body part between the ears, and I think that's why I simply fail to see transphobia from geeks. Please don't get confused by the SJWs. They want to act like they're progressive, but where is #translivesmatter? Why doesn't Brianna Wu stand up for the shit that trans women have to put up with? She doesn't even "pass" as well as I do (not that it should matter), but I admit she does pass fairly well. Perhaps she's just too self-centered, like SJWs tend to be, to see the misery that is the life of a trans woman who is obviously transgendered when a gaslighting asshole manager has her in the sights.

Of course, not all managers are gaslighting assholes. My former boss and current bosses I had/have I have a great deal of respect for, and I've learned many things about being a professional from them.

* I don't like the term SJW, but I think we all know exactly who it refers to, and it's not Rosa Parks.

Like they did in the 1940's?

[Kellamity]

In world war 2 the Australian army recruitment targeted women by mentioning how snazzy the uniform was to appeal to their love of fashion and whatnot as a way to make them want to join. https://www.awm.gov.au/images/...

I thought we had advanced as a society?

Or maybe infosec workers need a trendy uniform?

Problem #1

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's re-brand the field of quantum physics as "Practical Magic" -- maybe we can get more Muggles to sign up.

I'm interested in technology

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey!

I'm a man interested in technology. I'm wondering if there's a site or organization that I can be a part of that is more about technology, and less about shaming me for having a penis.

Thanks!

You mean like...

[Anonymous Coward]

Like code masseuse, security stylist, project nanny?

Makes perfect sense

[Anonymous Coward]

"what would the gender balance of this industry be like if we used more terms from other disciplines?""

Yes, if only we used terms like "Protect the home", women would flock to Infosec..... said no woman ever.

Women are more pragmatic

[gweihir]

The thing is, this is just the same with all of CompSci, coding, etc. Women generally look more carefully at the types of careers and working environments they can have afterwards. Now, working conditions, career options and compensation for Coders, Software Engineers, etc. generally suck badly these days. It is no surprise that women with the talent and skills more often than not avoid going into this field. Incidentally, this is something a lot of men also do, but to a lesser degree.

The thing is, we have far to many IT people, coders, etc. We urgently need to get all the incompetents and semi-competents out of there, pay the rest a lot better and give them the power to decide things. An incompetent IT person (and they are far more than 50%) is worse than having nobody. But as long as you pay peanuts, you only get monkeys.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[gurps_npc]

Several companies in fact do this. So do industries. Nursing is a great example where the pay is low and people complain about being unable to hire qualified people.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[gweihir]

While none of the female CS types I know have let themselves be pushed out by this, quite a few complain, and rightfully so. This is insulting to anybody that has worked hard to be good at things. In addition, the women that were hired because of gender often seem to be incompetent, disrupt the workplace, and generally make a lot of work for others, often the competent women.

Really, STEM is a "every competent sentient life-form welcome" club. There is NOTHING that should be done to push people in that field, because people that need to be pushed or manipulated into it will later very likely fail as they will lack the dedication and skill to make it.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[gweihir]

All scientifically done studies on the subject indicate a slight bias towards women being a little bit more for the same work. Of course, women far more often work part-time and often take significant time off for children. That results in lower pay, but it is not like this is hidden or unfair in any way.

Maybe?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is just a long shot, but is it possible no one wants to get into this because they don't want to be "helping the bad guys", and feel they might be safer if their job description didn't involve the terms "until we can ship this off to Indians for pennies on the dollar, anyways"?

Naaah. Obviously it's just not girl-friendly enough. Dark-Pink Web, that's the answer!

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[gweihir]

SJWs are not info pesky facts. They want to portray themselves as victims and then reap unearned benefits from that. Basically parasites without any useful skills.

I just hope the STEM field if more resilient to this kind of dishonorable and destructive attacks than other fields have been.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[gurps_npc]

You are correct that the pay gap is exaggerated by the statistical issues you mentioned. It also ignores the issue of inheritance (i.e. women marry older men, who die earlier then women, then inherit the money, effectively having a second source of income not included in the statistics). Nor does it take into account other factors such as height (a 5'4" man makes less on average than women - all other things being equal) and race. Finally when a women and men marry, legally they share both salaries. They both benefit and no reasonable accounting would not take that into account.

But even accounting for all of those things, women still get less pay for the same work. The Sony hack proved this, if nothing else. The major group of women that suffer are those that never marry a man. This includes lesbians as well as women that simply never wish to marry.

These women are screwed over by society. just as black men, short men, transgender people, muslims of any gender,

Similarly, the people that most benefit from this practice are gay, tall men. Of course, gay men suffer from other consequences and I am sure most would not consider the money worth it.

likewise

[Trailer Trash]

We should be able to get more men into nursing if we eliminate the emotional connection with patients. Perhaps, too, if we brought more concepts of "competition" and "fighting" to nursing, too, since men totally dig stuff like that.

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[Grishnakh]

People in engineering and IT complain about the pay being low, while companies complain about being unable to hire qualified people, and that has nothing to do with sex since there's so few women in these fields.

And from what I've seen, the pay for 4-year RNs isn't that bad, and for NPs it's pretty good. For the LPNs it sucks though.

the prime cause

[Anonymous Coward]

Most software developrs are rank-able on the autism spectrum.
  Autism is much more often seen in males than females.

Thus you get sex bias (note, not gender-bias, sex is biology, gender is identity) in the field, and also the bias makes it harder to being females in- their autistic coworkers rank among the most difficult in society to work with, by definition.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[BarbaraHudson]

Brianna Wu is the embodiment of someone who is so voraciously pushing the SJW shtick because she doesn't want people to ever *dare* question her identity.

"The madame doth protest too much", as it were.

And of course, she's been self-promoting, including with a lot of fake claims (like saying she had been forced out of her place by haters when she in fact had signed up months ago to attend a con that day), and bogus drama (OMG they have the picture of where I live!). Like nobody can use google earth ...

Her artwork depicted women as if they had been drawn by an adolescent male (complete with camel toe in one instance which has been removed from the site after I made a bit of a stink about it and her portrayal of women in general).

Fortunately, she does not represent the majority of us. Unfortunately, not everyone will realize that. Even though she won't admit to being trans, she still depends on it to get a free pass from criticism.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[vel-ex-tech]

I agree with you completely, Ms. Hudson. She must not represent us imnsho. I have seen the evidence that she faked her own harassment. That's why I hate on her so viciously. I hate to do this to somebody who has lived through the hell we all have (assuming she has?), but she stands as a threat to all progress for trans women. I also vehemently disagree with her supposition that only us trans women may speak about trans women. I encourage all dialog, and I have great faith in geeks and nerds that we will expose the truth.

More pay

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you just pay them more than men. Then, it'll be fair.

More to the original point, or back to it...

[Anonymous Coward]

My company has specific hiring guidelines and published rules stating "HIRE MORE LGBT AND WOMEN!" If they didn't, we'd have people petitioning the company claiming discrimination. That's not a maybe but a would, because it's a large enough company to target. We have public groups in my last several large companies advertising "LGBT" issues, events and lifestyles. "Women in the Workplace" is seen all over the place. We have to celebrate them for who they are, or are bigots. Now what do you think would happen if a straight male started up a group about heterosexual male celebration? Yeah, people like vel-ex-tech keep thinking it's only one sided bias. Then we have reality.

Re:More to the original point, or back to it...

[BarbaraHudson]

Equal opportunity has somehow morphed into equal outcomes, to the detriment of everyone.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[BarbaraHudson]

Fortunately people are catching on. Even the prosecutor in Columbus, Ohio says she's a waste of time. :-)

She has zero credibility except among the fools who she cons into donating to her Patreon campaign, who have no incentive to discover that they've been duped and would reject the suggestion.

She's as bad in her own way as the TERFs.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

One of those "women" wrote the article.
Does it have any technical merit?

You could pitch such a job to a woman like this:

[Anonymous Coward]

"Imagine having the skills to get dirt on anyone, and having that dirt to hold over their head.. Imagine what you could do to those heartless bitches from high school and college. You can appear smart, and guys always want a smart chick, because they think they actually have a chance at sex, without having to pretend to be all damaged.. Smart chicks have their pick of the litter of all the guys who have 0 idea how to please them!"

better yet:

"look at all these damaged guys to fix.."

Sadly, I find the same thing. The SJW feminists

[aussersterne]

are rather sexist and are so busy fighting against "masculinism" that they don't notice they're reifying the very gendered category system that feminists once, at the beginning, set out to make obsolete. Once again, war, labor, objectivity and striving are seen increasingly as being for men, while flowers, cooperation, peace, and "locality" (a thin veneer over domesticity) are the supposedly more desirable feminine (i.e. not so masculine) traits that we ought to promote.

It's gone gone from "women should be free to leave the kitchen and join any action they want" to "if we can move the Oval Office and the battlefield into the kitchen, we can have women present in both places as they cook!"

For the umpteenth time

[Anonymous Coward]

Women do not WANT to go into IT. It's a thankless shit job with no career prospects that attracts the lowest-ranking scum from the socially inept pit. IT is for losers. Women are interested in careers and in jobs that give them a good pay, the ability to travel and interact with people, not in burning their eyes out in front of a screen, tapping away their lives on a keyboard. That's for stupid males.

Wording is the last thing to fix since

[Anonymous Coward]

the sexism, pay discrimination, and disrespect problems have clearly been solved. Good job everyone!

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[serviscope_minor]

The gender pay gap thing is just dumb anyway. If I run a company, and I could save ~25% by just hiring women, why wouldn't I do that? We should see men having a hard time getting employment if this were the case, but it's not.

Your reasoning only follows if the so-called "free market" is effective, or *efficient*. You seem to be treating the high effectiveness of the free marked as an axiom. Naturally if you choose your axioms, you can reach any conclusion you like using logic. However, if your axioms aren't based in reality then your reasoning won't have any bearing on reality.

If you wish your argument to have any merit, you need to provide some evidence that the market for employment is actually some approximation of an efficient, free market. I strongly suspect it isn't because there's a lot of friction for employees changing jobs and employers have very imperfect knowledge of who to buy employment from, and the extreme difficulties in assessing how good potential employees are.

With those two barriers it is unlikely that the market is efficient. Therefore any arguments based on efficient employment markets are inapplicable.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[serviscope_minor]

Even though she won't admit to being trans

Why the ever living fuck is half of slashdot so hung up on this?

Curiously it seems to be the same side who screeches about SJW and declares that they're all evil because software should be about your brain not your genitals. Somehow none of you all seem to get the irony.

Yes

[wonkey_monkey]

Could a Change In Wording Attract More Women To Infosec?

Yes. Start with not calling them "babes." Chicks hate that.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

no, that is exactly how they meant it

Yes, they use more appealing language for math!

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm pretty sure they don't advertise Chemistry or Mathematics using war metaphors (nobody refers to a proof as a logical kill chain or differentiates between the white hat chemicals (oxygen, carbon) and the black hat chemicals (uranium, arsenic)). The point of the essay seems to be that because we have evidence that war is unattractive to women as a career choice, it is likely that the heavy use of war metaphors within a career likewise makes that career choice unattractive to women. The net result, if their thesis is correct, is that women who would otherwise be attracted to the career and good at it instead avoid it. We could test this hypothesis by finding another career that isn't war but that uses war metaphors to describe the job and discovering that it has a similar gender distribution.

So yes, they did use more appealing language for Chemistry and Mathematics - that's exactly the point.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess now we know what's backfiring in the whole "affirmative action" approach. This is how an African-American would feel (minus the boobs, of course).

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[r0kk3rz]

The gender pay gap thing is just dumb anyway. If I run a company, and I could save ~25% by just hiring women, why wouldn't I do that? We should see men having a hard time getting employment if this were the case, but it's not.

The key is maternity leave; during a woman's career she can fall pregnant at any time, and her already having children is no predictor of lack of future children, nor is her marital status any real indication either.

A company is on the hook for an unproductive (read: absent) employee for 6 months (or more) at their current salary, and this can happen more than once. If this doesn't put downward pressure on women's salaries I don't know what else will.

What "gender balance"?

[Kartu]

Disclaimer: I come from USSR myself.

It's true that women had access to education and what not from Lenin's times.
Yet it is still statistically "not balanced" as majority of STEM-ers or politicians are, again, men.
The same goes for the top management of the most companies.
You can sure come across women here and there, but it's hardly any different from the West.

On top of it, views in regards of what harassment and "other things" is are much more, let's say, relaxed.
Just an example from a popular series ""
http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/8...

1) sexual relationships with the boss, so what, no big deal
2) rape attempt, again, no big deal either

So in other words..

[bsdasym]

Men like war, women no like war! Ooga oorga! *pounds chest*.

But wait just a minute here. I thought the whole point these jerks have been trying to make is that you can't pigeonhole them like this, and that girls like GIJoe as much as boys if just given a chance to play with them!

In other words, make up your minds. Then shut up because tired of this.

More Jewish nation-wrecking in action...

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you sick of 'Climatedot' being a mouthpiece for our Jewish slavemasters?

well

[sociocapitalist]

We could change it to infosex...that aught to get everyone more interested...

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[Grishnakh]

Yep, this is why both maternity and paternity leave should be mandated by law, and equal to each other. It would eliminate this as a factor entirely, plus also give new dads a much-needed break to help take care of their kid and their wife/girlfriend. Every advanced country has this.

An actual female that's in Infosec opinion..

[iheartwookies]

I'm female and actually in the field.. we don't need an emotional connection any more than a man does. To see a fellow female passionately talking about what she loves about technology is very inspiring to me and empowering, that alone. No words need to be changed. I think the message needs to be "Hey, you can wear skirts, be yourself and still like science and tech" from women to women. As far as men, they don't need to "help" us get interested. I was always in tech but got interested in Infosec because my former coworker (who is still my good friend) a guy, told me about it and how passionate he was. It rubbed off, but my own reasons for loving it are different. His are for "conquering knowledge", mine are for "protecting people" and I find it creepy and fascinating what "bad guys can think of next". I feel like Infosec is just isolating PERIOD. There are one or two of us in an organization, if you are lucky. We need to come together not the opposite, the gender separation is annoying. Let's talk about what we are passionate about in the field, that ignites people.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[BarbaraHudson]

Let me again repeat why it's an issue, this time using slightly different words - her being ashamed of it informs her actions towards the rest of the world, particularly using her brand of feminism and SJW crap to be predisposed to launch attacks on anyone, not just over the subject of being trans, but anything that might call her into question on ANY subject. In other words, she's paranoid about her identity, and that explains why she acts the way she does. It's happened before, with transsexuals who feel they have to overplay who they are to be accepted, or at least, not have anyone dare call them into question.

It also explains why she posted threats to herself, and made the false claim that she had been forced from her home, as ways to draw sympathy towards her. She saw Anita Sarkeesian getting a lot of attention and decided to insert herself into the drama, because her game sucked and the angel investors are out of luck.

In other words, it's her own reaction to what she is that explains the "why is she doing this". She is the one who made it about more than just ability. When you get caught in a bunch of lies that you've done your best to attract attention to, people have the right to ask "why is she doing this?"

When it's the the cause of why she's behaving so dysfunctionally it becomes a legitimate issue. She is not representative of transsexuals, but an embarrassment and an impediment. She has become a professional victim, and judging by her Patereon account, she's making money off it. There are still some people that believe all the lies she told, even though they have been debunked, because some people have a vested interest in not looking too closely to her story. Same as someone who just bought a computer refuses to believe that someone else bought a better computer for less money - "There must be some difference, I paid more, so mine is better." See P.T. Barnum for more details :-)

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it!

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Hasn't happened..

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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

It works there!

Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

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You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

APK

P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

How can my program do it?

Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

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"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

"the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

"maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

"I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

Childish sigs = all you've got!

"I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

&

"You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

&

"I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

"written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

You're 30++ & haven't done either!

Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

APK

P.S.=>

"I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

You PROVED I AM... apk

Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk

[BarbaraHudson]

Okay, maybe I'm stupider than I give myself credit for - but what does all this have to do with women in IT in general, except maybe to give more incentive for women to stay out of IT?

Re: Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emo

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

According to this, a lot of countries have mandated paternity leave, but none or almost none give as much as maternity leave. It may have changed since June, but if that's your definition of "advanced country", then I don't think there are any. I agree with you that both should be offered, though.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[voodoobettie]

Totally agree. The idea that women need to be duped into doing cybersecurity using emotional manipulation misses the point that you have to be quite clever in the first place to do it, so it's unlikely to work.

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it!

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it!

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

---

"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

---

"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Hasn't happened..

---

"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

It works there!

Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself! Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

---

You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

APK

P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

How can my program do it?

Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

---

"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

---

You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

APK

P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

---

"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

---

"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

---

"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

---

"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

---

"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Hasn't happened..

---

"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

It works there!

Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself! Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

How can my program do it?

Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

---

"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

"the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

"maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

"I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

Childish sigs = all you've got!

"I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

&

"You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

&

"I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

"written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

You're 30++ & haven't done either!

Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

APK

P.S.=>

"I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

You PROVED I AM... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

---

I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

---

"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it!

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

---

"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

---

"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

---

You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

APK

P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

---

"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

---

"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

---

"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

---

"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

---

"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

Hasn't happened..

---

"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

It works there!

Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself! Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

How can my program do it?

Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

---

"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

APK

P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

"defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

"the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

"maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

"I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

Childish sigs = all you've got!

"I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

&

"You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

&

"I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

"written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

You're 30++ & haven't done either!

Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

APK

P.S.=>

"I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

You PROVED I am, lol... apk

Women in infosec?

[ebvwfbw]

Like Santa Claus and the M&M figures - they do exist. I have actually worked with a few woman in infosec. They did very little, then moved on for a big pay raise, where they did nothing there as well. They were nice to look at while they were there though most of them are like a door knob. Everyone got a turn.

This is so stupid. They don't like the numbers so they just make up crap. Maybe more men should check off the female box so they can feel better. You know, women really are just as good as men.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[Anonymous Coward]

also, "brianna" is a man.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[BarbaraHudson]

also, "brianna" is a man.

Please, do some research on the topic, you'll find that was never really the case.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[vel-ex-tech]

Heh, nice link.

Honest question: what's a TERF? Google!

Terf stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.Aug 9, 2014

Ah. Explains much. I just wonder how she got accepted into radical feminism in the first place.

Re:Yes, becaue women are bundles of unbridled emot

[BarbaraHudson]

Here's a better link about TERFs The reality is that Wu is not accepted into radical feminism even though she claims to be. Radical feminists believe only "women born women" are real women. Heck, even Germaine Greer continues to push that old, ignorant-of-the-facts-and-don't-wanna-know line that we're not "real women".

Too bad for them that they're more and more seen as exploiters of hate and misunderstanding towards us, same as many in the religious and political extreme right try to do. That horse might not be dead yet, but they'll keep beating it until long after it is. In a way, it's counter-productive to their aims - since they're seen as out to lunch on so many other issues, people who hear them attacking us will, for the most part, figure that if these people are against us, they should probably be for us :-)