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but remember what happened when the Southern *states* did that after Lincon was elected? I doubt that even the largest corporations in the world could fare even as well.
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The way that is phrased it makes it sound as if the North walked all over the South. I doubt that is how you intended to come across.
The American civil war was not one sided at all. The war was much more complex then that, and there was a good chance that the South could have won.
Ranum says hiding the operating system from everyone, including the professionals who know how to maintain one, is a smart solution. Every system takes time to learn, and his company wants to make its Network Flight Recorder product simple to use. Ranum says, "The Unix heads hate NT, and the NT heads hate Unix, so our answer is that it's like a toaster: There are no user-serviceable parts inside." ------------
IMHO, this is a huge mistake. I have used NFR for a while, I like the older versions. They were great. But this attitude of Ranum's is why the program got screwed up, and why I no longer like it.
NFR is a IDS for those of you that do not know. A IDS takes some time to understand, and you have to know networking to use it right. By creating a IDS that any moron can use will mean that any moron will use it. And any moron will not know the difference between a attack they should worry about, and one that they can ignore. I don't want a easy to use IDS on my network, I want a good one.
Plus, the amount of useabilty that I lost with the newest version of NFR was huge. A prime example is that the only way to interface with it now is through a WIN32 interface. There is not way to access your NFR install from a UNIX box. Plus there are little things, like for instance that you cannot say see every packet from a given IP regardless of what sig matched it.
I need printed docs. I don't just use computers when I am at the computer, I want to read all the time. Before bed, I lie there and read, while I wait in the car for someone I read, while I watch TV I read. I always have something to read with me.
If I am trying to learn a new program, and I do not have printed docs all ready, I will normally go buy a book or two, and print out all the docs I can find for it. Many times have I pissed off all my co-workers because I printed out a 800+ page doc.
I love to read. I waste tons of paper. I wish there was a better way, but if I want to read the man pages for Postfix while I take a dump, what other choice do I have but to print them out? When I was setting up a new VPN system, I was overjoyed to find that there was a book with all the IPSec RFCs printed out and indexed. The world would be a better place with more books like that.
The world would be a better place with more books.
Bill Joy, (also the creator of the Linux text editor vi)
That is wrong. From http://www.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/~joern/jargon/ vi.HTML
vi:/V-I/, *not*/vi/ and *never*/siks/ n. [from `Visual Interface'] A screen editor crufted together by Bill Joy for an early {BSD} release. Became the de facto standard UNIX editor and a nearly undisputed hacker favorite outside of MIT until the rise of {EMACS} after about 1984. Tends to frustrate new users no end, as it will neither take commands while expecting input text nor vice versa, and the default setup provides no indication of which mode the editor is in (one correspondent accordingly reports that he has often heard the editor's name pronounced/vi:l/). Nevertheless it is still widely used (about half the respondents in a 1991 Usenet poll preferred it), and even EMACS fans often resort to it as a mail editor and for small editing jobs (mainly because it starts up faster than the bulkier versions of EMACS). See {holy wars}.
Fact should be strait before posted as news. Mistakes happen, but really, how could and *real* Unix user not know the history of Vi? How could you really belive that it is a "Linux Text editor"?
This stuff has been out for a looooonnng time. (In fact I submited a link about it over 6 months ago, funny how something is not important one day then the next it is...) It is great, it taste wonderfull and WILL keep you up at night. My mother in law works graveyard shift (10pm-6am), if she drinks one of these at midnight, at 6 in morn she is still wide awake (otherwise she has a hard time staying awake on the ride home).
And the company is good too. I saw this stuff advertised on TV a long time ago, thought it looked good, made a special trip to the store that they said sold it, and no employe there had heard of it. I send Bawls a e-mail, next day the local distributer calls me up, finds out what store did not have it, promises to make sure they will in the future (and they did start carring it the next week, I shop their all the time now). Plus, I got a e-mail from Bawls asking me for my address, I send it off to them, they send me a free 6-pack so I can try it out. Not bad for a little company.
Only thing i can say bad about this drink is it is not on sale enough. Most times it is selling for $1.29 to $1.39 a bottle, and when it is on sale it is $.99 a bottle. Plus, the stores that sell it around here are pretty stupid, when it is on sale the signs say "Bawls Water".
There name is great as well, once my motherinlaw was with us, we stop in at a gass station and she goes in wanting to buy some "Bawls" (I am sure you can see where this is going). She wonders around the store, does not see any and goes to leave, the guy at the counter says "can I help you find something?". Without thinking she just says "No, you dont got no Bawls." The guy got *pissed* and started cussing her out before she could explain. she just left in a hurry.
I really dont think you can blame the users for this one. It is easy for us to do, because we know computers, we understand them, and we expact everyone else to be the same. The thing is, most people could care less.
See, as a small time sys admin, I try and try to drill into peoples head "Dont open attachments". But that dont work, curistory and the cat. So I explain to them, never open.exes,.bats, or.coms. Anything else, after you recive it, send a e-mail back making sure the person really send it too you (that alone can stop you from getting most e-mail viruses), and if you do open it, dont enable macros.
Think is, that is too much for most of my users. Why? Most of my users are middle age or older females that could care less about computers. They dont want to know a why or how on anything, they want to follow a 123 step recipie do do the little work they have to on the machines. And really, I cant blame them. There main job has nothing to do with computers, but people. And they can do that better then I ever could. So can I really blame them for not knowing this stuff?
The other section of people I work with is seniors that want to learn computers. These poor people are so trusting, and so eager to do right that if someone sends them something, they feel it is a insult to the sender if they don't open it. These are our grandparents trying as hard as they can to learn a way to stay in contact with their grandchildern, can I fault them for not knowing everything?
I don't think we can blame the users. I think it is the software. When I chose a OS, I would expect that vendor to have a system that works correctly. But MS is leaving a system with huge holes right in the middle, and conspiracy mode on, but here is why I think it is.
As a low lever sys admin, I work in a place where no one knows what I do here. I go about my days, usallay never talking to anyone else here, most people look at me strange when I walk down the halls. (I dont think it helps that I also keep strange hours, never turn on my main light, instead use a little table lamp so I can see the screen better and I keep moy door shut and locked all the time.) Needless to say, I don't get noticed much, so I don't get patted on the back much at all.
But because of the Melissa virus, I got my first "good job" from the Big boss in a long while, simply cause we did not get hit, some simple e-mail filters on the server was all that was needed to keep Melissa outside (a unfilterable virus would be a tough one, Melissa was easy as far as that goes). But because of all the attention Melissa got, people that did not know better thought I was superman for protecting them from her. I did nothing special, keeping e-mail filters is something ever sys admin does, it is a dull part of the job. But for a three day period of time, my bosses had it in their head I was protecting the company from evil. I could have wore tights and a cape and got away with it. Even though I did something I do a million times before, this time they knew about it, and were told by the TV it was a big deal, so they accepted it.
So you could say I benifited from Melissa. And I am not the only one. Magizines sold (When there is good news, you go out and experience it, when there is bad news, you hide inside where it is safe and watch it on TV), news shows got watched, anti-virus programs sold, IT people got kudos. Etc. People justified their paychecks because of Melissa.
For no reason at all, everday jobs got alot of attention. Sure, it only lasted for what three days? But how many people are going to to bring it up during their next review? How many extra units did anti-virus publishers sell? And how much more did mags charge for a back cover add in the special Melissa issue?
Those are the reasons Melissa was such a big deal. Melissa was just a natural progression of viruses, nothing exciting. The next one will even be that much more clever. But will it get noticed? No, these stories are only good about once every two years. Thats why the gov and his lackies had to go out and suck up the press while they can.
This whole thing was a big non-event that made a bunch a people look good, and a poor virus writer is going to publicly shuned for a while. He may have been stupid for writing a virus, but not 40 years stupid. Give the poor slob probation.
As a long time/. reader (well, ok just over a year and a half, but that is a long time for me to keep hitting the same site), here are my simple ideas.
Moderation is needed. I have seen this site grow quite a bit over the last year, and that is good. But the singal to noise ratio has gone up alot, Malda is doing the right thing by setting up moderation.
I also belive that who moderaters may be more important then what they can do. Considering the fact that most people just use the defualts, moderators will set the tone for the whole site.
The question is, who do we want setting that tone? Who do we trust? And what do we want that tone to be?
For instance, as Linux has gone mainstream over the last year, and Slashdot right along with it, the "unwashed masses" have decended with a vengence. These are the people that use Linux not for its merits, but because it is cool. And part of the "coolness" is coming to the Geek sites and belonging. These are the people that cause the most noise, they are the ones that the "old timers" get annoyed with the most.
Now, God love the newbies, some day they may very well teach everyone a thing or two. But they have to grow up. They are quick to flame, and quicker to post without understanding the topic.
Now, I have always thought that Slashdot has reflected the nerd computer user communtiy, not Linux or Open Source or whatever. And it has done a good job doing it. But as the community changes to embrace the onslaught of newbies, and slashdot changes with it, where do the hardcore users go?
I think the plan that Taco has layed out is a good one for letting slashdot reflect the reader base. What my idea is, whynot have a geek.slashdot.org, or nerd.slashdot.org or whatever for the old time readers. Those of use that would come here before it was hip. Those of us that want a place to dicuss topics with other like minded people, not newbies doing their best to be accepted.
How that would be done, I have no idea. Whats to stop the newbies from russing in there so they can say they are hardcore? I dunno. I just know what I would like to see, not how to get there.
Now this may very well be a stupid idea, and I am open to that suggestion. But anyways, I have babbled enough now..
I find all these people trying to be funny on Aprils Fools day annoying. I really do. From STB and 3dFX merging to web sites shut down, to the people on the radio saying the mayor shut down the city council. Its annoying.
But this Katz story was the only joke to make me laugh yet today. Good read. I liked it.
>The deception is the relevant issue. Apple >proclaims to be something that they are not.
Ok. Please describe how Apple is using deception. Please explain how Apple is calling this something it is not. As I understand it, the license is up on Apple's web site, and you must read and agree with it before DLing any source. Please explain what you mean.
>I don't care to use Apple's software. I do care >that they are lying about what its license >really says. Licenses do matter.
I do not understand how Apple is lying about what the license says. If they hid the term of the license, then yes, I would be in total agreement with you. But as far as I know, the license is up for public viewing.
Now really, what I read from your post is that you do not like the terms that Apple has given. And you understand that you dont have to work on the code if you dont want to.
What I do not understand is why you care if Apple makes the right choice or not. That is one thing I see alot as well, people that seem to take a extreame interest in the action of others.
Why not, if you really want a OS that gives you the freedom that you want, use the one that gives it to you allready? Why care what Apple does?
Now this may be a lack on knowledge on my part, so please feel free to chime in and show me where I am wrong. But this is how I see it.
I think this is a buch of noise about nothing, and will do nothing but hurt Open Source. Apple has no obligation to realease the source to their software, so why should we care what type of license they use? Any prudent devoleper should read the fine print, and if they decide they do not like the terms, not work on it. Work on software that has terms that you do agree with, be that GPL, BSD style, etc. People must get over this idea that something is owed to them, if you dont like something, use something you do. Support what you do/can belive in.
All this infighting looks to be a bunch of men with big egos trying to see who has the most influnce. They all want to domanate, so no one will back down. But a outside observer will just look at all this infighting and think that Open Source is falling apart. It makes the movment look bad.
Now, I am not a coder. I just know a little Perl. But Open Source does help me, just last night I was screwing around in a app that has a bad interface cleaning it up to make it work better for me. It was fun, and usefull. But, you must remember that people are free to make their own choices. If someone spends time on a app, and only realses the binary, that is their choice. If you dont like it, use another app the is open source, or write your own.
The curse that I see in the Open Source movement is that people spend tons of engery in complaing about what is wrong, and very little in fixing it. Let Apple do what they will, if you dont like it, dont use/support it. Support something you like, and leave it at that. This whole "issue" is a non-issue. It should not matter.
I like the general concept of this idea, I cannot comment on the way it is being done, but the idea is a great one. See, I am a firm beliver in OpenStandards. I like to use many different OSes, and many different apps. When one does not play well with others, it ruins my day. That is why I love html, plain text, mpeg, wav, jpeg, etc. I can use any of those formats, and use them on any OS I happed to be in front of that day.
Now, we could argue if this standard is being done right, but that will not accomplish anything. Lets insted be happy with the fact that people are working towards another cross-platform technology. And if you do not like the way this one works, draft up your own ideas, I am sure people would be more then happy to look at them.
Sometimes I get the idea that people would rather sit back and complian about the work of others, and not do anything to make it better. That is what is great about the internet, you don't have to be someone important to have a good idea that people latch onto.
I for one am happy to see Be willing to give out Be for free to OEMs, if for no other reason to to increase mindshare. Be has gained alot of press lately, and I really think they have been helped out by it.
But what I am even more happy about is the hopes that this effort by be will make the respect between Be users and Linux users rock solid. What is good for Linux is good for Be. And what is good for Be, is good for Linux. It looks like this is going to go a long way towards helping people realize that. The battle is over choice, not a my OS is better then yours. I could care less what you think the best OS is, I just want the chance to choose my own.
>Nothing worse to a linux advocate, then to read another good review on an alt os. Wake up suckers! BeOS RULES!!!
Really, people like this piss me off. Really, we all want the same goal: To be able to choose what OS we are going to use without having one forced upon us. Because one is good for me does not mean "It Rulez!", it means it is good for me.
Live and let live, and destory all those who stand in your way.
>I keep on hearing that BeOS is superior to Linux, >but I'm not exactly sure why.
Really, saying one is better then the other is like saying that a car is better then a boat. They are both great for the purpose they were made. End of story.
To see MS fall because of its own screw ups. Having "the truth" (if this really did happen) come out and investors lose faith in MS (lie once and you will lie again), so MS stock drops, etc. Chain reaction.
If MS is going to get hurt, I would much rather see it be because of this then the DOJ.
My guesss at the reason Sony would be upset is simple. If they did not make it, they dont want anyone else too. Really, how could this hurt them? A bigger market for the games and all. Plus, anyone who would buy a playstation still will. I am not going to go buy a $1000 computer then buy software to play the games. Plus, controllers on computers IMOHO are not as good as consoule controllers.
On the other hand, if Sony had thought of it first they would be promoting it as "the next great thing". Hell, I would not be suprised if they would bundle software with the real playstation.
Is the cases. Now, I am not crazy about Apple's new cases, but they dont look terrible. But the fact that Apple had the guts to come out with them is what I like. Trying new things...
Now, what I am hoping, is that PC makers take note and start making some cool looking cases. Really, how hard would it be to design a box that can take a stnd ATX case that looks cool? Throw in a couple fans and plenty of drive bays...
So many of us take such time into making our desktops look cool, why not have a case to match?
With Apple showing that a pretty box will sell, hopefully others will jump on the bandwagon.
If people dont like the look of a site, let them go else where. If they have such great ideas, let them use them on there own site. Only people that would have any rite to complain are the ones that paid for the site. I dont think anyone paid for Freshmeat.
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but remember what happened when the Southern *states* did that after Lincon was elected? I doubt that even the largest corporations in the world could fare even as well.
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The way that is phrased it makes it sound as if the North walked all over the South. I doubt that is how you intended to come across.
The American civil war was not one sided at all. The war was much more complex then that, and there was a good chance that the South could have won.
This is at the end of the article:
Ranum says hiding the operating system from everyone, including the professionals who know how to maintain one, is a smart solution. Every system takes time to learn, and his company wants to make its Network Flight Recorder product simple to use.
Ranum says, "The Unix heads hate NT, and the NT heads hate Unix, so our answer is that it's like a toaster: There are no user-serviceable parts inside."
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IMHO, this is a huge mistake. I have used NFR for a while, I like the older versions. They were great. But this attitude of Ranum's is why the program got screwed up, and why I no longer like it.
NFR is a IDS for those of you that do not know. A IDS takes some time to understand, and you have to know networking to use it right. By creating a IDS that any moron can use will mean that any moron will use it. And any moron will not know the difference between a attack they should worry about, and one that they can ignore. I don't want a easy to use IDS on my network, I want a good one.
Plus, the amount of useabilty that I lost with the newest version of NFR was huge. A prime example is that the only way to interface with it now is through a WIN32 interface. There is not way to access your NFR install from a UNIX box. Plus there are little things, like for instance that you cannot say see every packet from a given IP regardless of what sig matched it.
I need printed docs. I don't just use computers when I am at the computer, I want to read all the time. Before bed, I lie there and read, while I wait in the car for someone I read, while I watch TV I read. I always have something to read with me.
If I am trying to learn a new program, and I do not have printed docs all ready, I will normally go buy a book or two, and print out all the docs I can find for it. Many times have I pissed off all my co-workers because I printed out a 800+ page doc.
I love to read. I waste tons of paper. I wish there was a better way, but if I want to read the man pages for Postfix while I take a dump, what other choice do I have but to print them out? When I was setting up a new VPN system, I was overjoyed to find that there was a book with all the IPSec RFCs printed out and indexed. The world would be a better place with more books like that.
The world would be a better place with more books.
Bill Joy, (also the creator of the Linux text editor vi)
/ vi.HTML
/V-I/, *not* /vi/ and *never* /siks/ n. /vi:l/). Nevertheless it is still
That is wrong. From http://www.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/~joern/jargon
vi:
[from `Visual Interface'] A screen editor crufted together by Bill
Joy for an early {BSD} release. Became the de facto
standard UNIX editor and a nearly undisputed hacker favorite
outside of MIT until the rise of {EMACS} after about 1984.
Tends to frustrate new users no end, as it will neither take
commands while expecting input text nor vice versa, and the default
setup provides no indication of which mode the editor is in (one
correspondent accordingly reports that he has often heard the
editor's name pronounced
widely used (about half the respondents in a 1991 Usenet poll
preferred it), and even EMACS fans often resort to it as a mail
editor and for small editing jobs (mainly because it starts up
faster than the bulkier versions of EMACS). See {holy wars}.
Fact should be strait before posted as news. Mistakes happen, but really, how could and *real* Unix user not know the history of Vi? How could you really belive that it is a "Linux Text editor"?
This stuff has been out for a looooonnng time. (In fact I submited a link about it over 6 months ago, funny how something is not important one day then the next it is...) It is great, it taste wonderfull and WILL keep you up at night. My mother in law works graveyard shift (10pm-6am), if she drinks one of these at midnight, at 6 in morn she is still wide awake (otherwise she has a hard time staying awake on the ride home).
And the company is good too. I saw this stuff advertised on TV a long time ago, thought it looked good, made a special trip to the store that they said sold it, and no employe there had heard of it. I send Bawls a e-mail, next day the local distributer calls me up, finds out what store did not have it, promises to make sure they will in the future (and they did start carring it the next week, I shop their all the time now). Plus, I got a e-mail from Bawls asking me for my address, I send it off to them, they send me a free 6-pack so I can try it out. Not bad for a little company.
Only thing i can say bad about this drink is it is not on sale enough. Most times it is selling for $1.29 to $1.39 a bottle, and when it is on sale it is $.99 a bottle. Plus, the stores that sell it around here are pretty stupid, when it is on sale the signs say "Bawls Water".
There name is great as well, once my motherinlaw was with us, we stop in at a gass station and she goes in wanting to buy some "Bawls" (I am sure you can see where this is going). She wonders around the store, does not see any and goes to leave, the guy at the counter says "can I help you find something?". Without thinking she just says "No, you dont got no Bawls." The guy got *pissed* and started cussing her out before she could explain. she just left in a hurry.
Great drink, just dont take one before bedtime.
Elwood (I got Bawls)
I really dont think you can blame the users for this one. It is easy for us to do, because we know computers, we understand them, and we expact everyone else to be the same. The thing is, most people could care less.
.exes, .bats, or .coms. Anything else, after you recive it, send a e-mail back making sure the person really send it too you (that alone can stop you from getting most e-mail viruses), and if you do open it, dont enable macros.
See, as a small time sys admin, I try and try to drill into peoples head "Dont open attachments". But that dont work, curistory and the cat. So I explain to them, never open
Think is, that is too much for most of my users. Why? Most of my users are middle age or older females that could care less about computers. They dont want to know a why or how on anything, they want to follow a 123 step recipie do do the little work they have to on the machines. And really, I cant blame them. There main job has nothing to do with computers, but people. And they can do that better then I ever could. So can I really blame them for not knowing this stuff?
The other section of people I work with is seniors that want to learn computers. These poor people are so trusting, and so eager to do right that if someone sends them something, they feel it is a insult to the sender if they don't open it. These are our grandparents trying as hard as they can to learn a way to stay in contact with their grandchildern, can I fault them for not knowing everything?
I don't think we can blame the users. I think it is the software. When I chose a OS, I would expect that vendor to have a system that works correctly. But MS is leaving a system with huge holes right in the middle, and conspiracy mode on, but here is why I think it is.
As a low lever sys admin, I work in a place where no one knows what I do here. I go about my days, usallay never talking to anyone else here, most people look at me strange when I walk down the halls. (I dont think it helps that I also keep strange hours, never turn on my main light, instead use a little table lamp so I can see the screen better and I keep moy door shut and locked all the time.) Needless to say, I don't get noticed much, so I don't get patted on the back much at all.
But because of the Melissa virus, I got my first "good job" from the Big boss in a long while, simply cause we did not get hit, some simple e-mail filters on the server was all that was needed to keep Melissa outside (a unfilterable virus would be a tough one, Melissa was easy as far as that goes). But because of all the attention Melissa got, people that did not know better thought I was superman for protecting them from her. I did nothing special, keeping e-mail filters is something ever sys admin does, it is a dull part of the job. But for a three day period of time, my bosses had it in their head I was protecting the company from evil. I could have wore tights and a cape and got away with it. Even though I did something I do a million times before, this time they knew about it, and were told by the TV it was a big deal, so they accepted it.
So you could say I benifited from Melissa. And I am not the only one. Magizines sold (When there is good news, you go out and experience it, when there is bad news, you hide inside where it is safe and watch it on TV), news shows got watched, anti-virus programs sold, IT people got kudos. Etc. People justified their paychecks because of Melissa.
For no reason at all, everday jobs got alot of attention. Sure, it only lasted for what three days? But how many people are going to to bring it up during their next review? How many extra units did anti-virus publishers sell? And how much more did mags charge for a back cover add in the special Melissa issue?
Those are the reasons Melissa was such a big deal. Melissa was just a natural progression of viruses, nothing exciting. The next one will even be that much more clever. But will it get noticed? No, these stories are only good about once every two years. Thats why the gov and his lackies had to go out and suck up the press while they can.
This whole thing was a big non-event that made a bunch a people look good, and a poor virus writer is going to publicly shuned for a while. He may have been stupid for writing a virus, but not 40 years stupid. Give the poor slob probation.
Kind or remined me of Wag the Dog.
As a long time /. reader (well, ok just over a year and a half, but that is a long time for me to keep hitting the same site), here are my simple ideas.
Moderation is needed. I have seen this site grow quite a bit over the last year, and that is good. But the singal to noise ratio has gone up alot, Malda is doing the right thing by setting up moderation.
I also belive that who moderaters may be more important then what they can do. Considering the fact that most people just use the defualts, moderators will set the tone for the whole site.
The question is, who do we want setting that tone? Who do we trust? And what do we want that tone to be?
For instance, as Linux has gone mainstream over the last year, and Slashdot right along with it, the "unwashed masses" have decended with a vengence. These are the people that use Linux not for its merits, but because it is cool. And part of the "coolness" is coming to the Geek sites and belonging. These are the people that cause the most noise, they are the ones that the "old timers" get annoyed with the most.
Now, God love the newbies, some day they may very well teach everyone a thing or two. But they have to grow up. They are quick to flame, and quicker to post without understanding the topic.
Now, I have always thought that Slashdot has reflected the nerd computer user communtiy, not Linux or Open Source or whatever. And it has done a good job doing it. But as the community changes to embrace the onslaught of newbies, and slashdot changes with it, where do the hardcore users go?
I think the plan that Taco has layed out is a good one for letting slashdot reflect the reader base. What my idea is, whynot have a geek.slashdot.org, or nerd.slashdot.org or whatever for the old time readers. Those of use that would come here before it was hip. Those of us that want a place to dicuss topics with other like minded people, not newbies doing their best to be accepted.
How that would be done, I have no idea. Whats to stop the newbies from russing in there so they can say they are hardcore? I dunno. I just know what I would like to see, not how to get there.
Now this may very well be a stupid idea, and I am open to that suggestion. But anyways, I have babbled enough now..
>From STB and 3dFX merging to
I screwed that up, I ment to say "Form Nvidia and 3dFX merging"
Now I have egg on my face...
I find all these people trying to be funny on Aprils Fools day annoying. I really do. From STB and 3dFX merging to web sites shut down, to the people on the radio saying the mayor shut down the city council. Its annoying.
But this Katz story was the only joke to make me laugh yet today. Good read. I liked it.
>The deception is the relevant issue. Apple >proclaims to be something that they are not.
Ok. Please describe how Apple is using deception. Please explain how Apple is calling this something it is not. As I understand it, the license is up on Apple's web site, and you must read and agree with it before DLing any source. Please explain what you mean.
>I don't care to use Apple's software. I do care >that they are lying about what its license >really says. Licenses do matter.
I do not understand how Apple is lying about what the license says. If they hid the term of the license, then yes, I would be in total agreement with you. But as far as I know, the license is up for public viewing.
Now really, what I read from your post is that you do not like the terms that Apple has given. And you understand that you dont have to work on the code if you dont want to.
What I do not understand is why you care if Apple makes the right choice or not. That is one thing I see alot as well, people that seem to take a extreame interest in the action of others.
Why not, if you really want a OS that gives you the freedom that you want, use the one that gives it to you allready? Why care what Apple does?
Now this may be a lack on knowledge on my part, so please feel free to chime in and show me where I am wrong. But this is how I see it.
I think this is a buch of noise about nothing, and will do nothing but hurt Open Source. Apple has no obligation to realease the source to their software, so why should we care what type of license they use? Any prudent devoleper should read the fine print, and if they decide they do not like the terms, not work on it. Work on software that has terms that you do agree with, be that GPL, BSD style, etc. People must get over this idea that something is owed to them, if you dont like something, use something you do. Support what you do/can belive in.
All this infighting looks to be a bunch of men with big egos trying to see who has the most influnce. They all want to domanate, so no one will back down. But a outside observer will just look at all this infighting and think that Open Source is falling apart. It makes the movment look bad.
Now, I am not a coder. I just know a little Perl. But Open Source does help me, just last night I was screwing around in a app that has a bad interface cleaning it up to make it work better for me. It was fun, and usefull. But, you must remember that people are free to make their own choices. If someone spends time on a app, and only realses the binary, that is their choice. If you dont like it, use another app the is open source, or write your own.
The curse that I see in the Open Source movement is that people spend tons of engery in complaing about what is wrong, and very little in fixing it. Let Apple do what they will, if you dont like it, dont use/support it. Support something you like, and leave it at that. This whole "issue" is a non-issue. It should not matter.
Please, give me a reason as to why it does.
I like the general concept of this idea, I cannot comment on the way it is being done, but the idea is a great one. See, I am a firm beliver in OpenStandards. I like to use many different OSes, and many different apps. When one does not play well with others, it ruins my day. That is why I love html, plain text, mpeg, wav, jpeg, etc. I can use any of those formats, and use them on any OS I happed to be in front of that day.
Now, we could argue if this standard is being done right, but that will not accomplish anything. Lets insted be happy with the fact that people are working towards another cross-platform technology. And if you do not like the way this one works, draft up your own ideas, I am sure people would be more then happy to look at them.
Sometimes I get the idea that people would rather sit back and complian about the work of others, and not do anything to make it better. That is what is great about the internet, you don't have to be someone important to have a good idea that people latch onto.
I for one am happy to see Be willing to give out Be for free to OEMs, if for no other reason to to increase mindshare. Be has gained alot of press lately, and I really think they have been helped out by it.
But what I am even more happy about is the hopes that this effort by be will make the respect between Be users and Linux users rock solid. What is good for Linux is good for Be. And what is good for Be, is good for Linux. It looks like this is going to go a long way towards helping people realize that. The battle is over choice, not a my OS is better then yours. I could care less what you think the best OS is, I just want the chance to choose my own.
Elwood.
http://www.benews.com/story/?ID=670
They talk about why the picts looks funny. Question answered.
I am looking forwad to more info about how the Be version of Quake will be DLable....
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And: http://www.benews.com/features/quake/img/?file=qu
The time in the lower right hand side, and the uptime on the two systems is EXCATLY the same. Anyone know what that is?
>Nothing worse to a linux advocate, then to read another good review on an alt os. Wake up suckers! BeOS RULES!!!
Really, people like this piss me off. Really, we all want the same goal: To be able to choose what OS we are going to use without having one forced upon us. Because one is good for me does not mean "It Rulez!", it means it is good for me.
Live and let live, and destory all those who stand in your way.
Elwood.
>I keep on hearing that BeOS is superior to Linux, >but I'm not exactly sure why.
Really, saying one is better then the other is like saying that a car is better then a boat. They are both great for the purpose they were made. End of story.
Elwood.
To see MS fall because of its own screw ups. Having "the truth" (if this really did happen) come out and investors lose faith in MS (lie once and you will lie again), so MS stock drops, etc. Chain reaction.
If MS is going to get hurt, I would much rather see it be because of this then the DOJ.
Elwood.
My guesss at the reason Sony would be upset is simple. If they did not make it, they dont want anyone else too. Really, how could this hurt them? A bigger market for the games and all. Plus, anyone who would buy a playstation still will. I am not going to go buy a $1000 computer then buy software to play the games. Plus, controllers on computers IMOHO are not as good as consoule controllers.
On the other hand, if Sony had thought of it first they would be promoting it as "the next great thing". Hell, I would not be suprised if they would bundle software with the real playstation.
Elwood.
Is the cases. Now, I am not crazy about Apple's new cases, but they dont look terrible. But the fact that Apple had the guts to come out with them is what I like. Trying new things...
Now, what I am hoping, is that PC makers take note and start making some cool looking cases. Really, how hard would it be to design a box that can take a stnd ATX case that looks cool? Throw in a couple fans and plenty of drive bays...
So many of us take such time into making our desktops look cool, why not have a case to match?
With Apple showing that a pretty box will sell, hopefully others will jump on the bandwagon.
Elwood.
If people dont like the look of a site, let them go else where. If they have such great ideas, let them use them on there own site. Only people that would have any rite to complain are the ones that paid for the site. I dont think anyone paid for Freshmeat.
Elwood