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You've created a double bind for the jury: They can't decide that he's lying until they decide that he killed Nina; if they can't decide his statements are lies, then they must accept his claims at face value; if they accept his claims at face value, they can't decide that he killed Nina. Therefore, all he has to do is claim he didn't kill Nina by claiming he couldn't, and no jury could convict him without a videotape of him strangling her.
There is a simple solution for this -- try to determine if he killed Nina, not if he is lying or not.
In reality, the circumstantial case against him was strong,
No, it was not. The evidence would not be sufficient to convict him if the jury was not hostile toward him -- and that hostility had nothing to do with the crime. It was possible to get more evidence, however police never bothered to do so -- they singled him out at the very beginning, spent untold amount of time following him (but only him), yet couldn't even take a sample of blood without messing up. Middle school kids provide better reasoning in essays than those detectives did in their investigation, so the whole trial mostly consisted of attorneys throwing feces at both Hans and Nina.
and he appeared to be lying in disputing the facts of that circumstantial case. I would have voted to convict,
He appeared to be frustrated and illogical. Neither is an evidence of a murder. If he was charged with "being an asshole" or "acting like an idiot", most of the trial would make much more sense.
and I'm far, far from a law-and-order, hang-em-all type.
Then increase the tax, so it will be sufficient, you morons! You can't get something for nothing, and inventing new, less efficient ways to get money from the public merely adds more overhead (toll companies, equipment maintenance, mailing mini-tickets...)
Of course, it's competitive industry -- companies compete for access to politicians who let them fleece the public.
In reality just raising the taxes to cover any additional road maintenance would be a much more fair and cheap solution, however stupid Americans are afraid of taxes and would prefer to pay hundreds a year for toll roads rather than seeing few dollars in tax increases.
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What Hans Reiser claimed would be recognized as a "lie" only if it was already proven that he killed Nina. Otherwise it's circular reasoning. In fact he merely was wrong and occasionally illogical -- however a person that charged with a murder may be wrong, illogical and still innocent. Worse yet, hiding something while being charged with murder is not the same as being guilty of murder -- one may hide something completely different.
Or... they could restart, press their F8 key or whatever, and do System Restoration.
...into unpatched Windows from 2-5 years ago? Good luck keeping it un-pwned until the updates will finish downloading.
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who (correctly) reasoned that one doesn't lie in a murder case unless one's covering up a murder.
This is the most illogical claim I have ever heard about Hans Reiser -- and there are plenty of illogical things said about it.
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That still doesn't change the fact that Hans Reiser was convicted without sufficient evidence, and what is more disturbing, without any investigation that would likely provide such evidence if police bothered to look for it.
Apparently most people can't accept a valid criticism of a process when it can somehow support even a slightest defense of something or someone that is evil or wrong. Same applies to criticism of idiotic laws and processes related to "terrorism", "sex offenders" and other similar scares.
Photoshop, as shown above, is often used as THE GREATEST ARGUMENT NOT TO USE LINUX. Just like the rest of Microsofties' arguments, it's usually invalid.
Yeah, it allows you to use numbers and names for your colors. Anyone who needs it, can include those names (in all versions that are needed to match crazy color correction requirements).
Libraries break their ABI periodically on Linux because no one really thinks about binary developers. Think about this: a deb package for Ubuntu from a release six months ago will probably not work on the next release.
That's why it's a debian package -- it is maintained along with the rest of Debian distribution.
However Linux games come with their own libraries, and therefore continue running. At worst they may need a wrapper if it's an old game that used OSS instead of ALSA for sound, so to share the audio card with other applications it needs aoss or esddsp.
The point you are trying to make is, "Linux changes its system calls interface (that's what ABI is) and X protocol", however that would be false. My copies of Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 run now just like they did almost a decade ago (except with higher resolution and more fps).
Except the "cost of living" figures are not real -- they are based on prices of arbitrarily chosen product and can be easily skewed. How much would it cost in China to live an exact copy of American white-collar worker lifestyle (owning a house and a car, eating American fast food) and how it would compare to an actual person living in China doing a similar office job and living a similar kind of life (renting an apartment, having a bicycle, commuting public transit, eating local food)?
I won't try to defend people being denied preventative treatment, but single payer isn't the only solution. Even in a single payer system, hard decisions will be made about what is covered. Government insurance will be limited in what it can afford to cover, just like private - i.e. not utopia.
You mean, universal healthcare system that is implemented in almost each and every developed country already?
I don't think I need to explain myself when I say I don't want the government taking control of the entire health industry.
Your explanation would be many decades too late because nothing in US healthcare is ever done without going through the government-mandated processes that involve government agencies.
It can do a much better job of regulating health care without making half of the country a federal employee or federal contractor.
Except, of course, universal healthcare does not work that way.
Profits will still be made on health care in that situation, and the government will be the sole arbiter of who gets them - a bad situation if you ask me.
Does it mean that you believe, insurance companies are now better at making this decision?
Let me ask you a question, do profits explain the fact that it's cheaper, faster, easier and safer for me to send a package via UPS or FedEx than the US Postal Service?
No. It means that you haven't sent enough packages to notice how often UPS and FedEx employees steal them.
Does USPS have some profit motive for giving me crappy service?
Actually it sucks surprisingly little considering the amount of retarded and corrupt people involved in it.
You seem to think that a bunch of guys getting extremely rich is a fault of those nasty corporations, rather than say there is a natural bell curve of skill with a rather long tail.
No, I think that it's called "rent-seeking behavior" that is widely accepted as the bane and cancer of the economy even by the greatest apologists of US-style capitalism. Too bad, most of US economy is now based on it.
Yes, Outlook does support that craptastic IMAP protocol.
IMAP is the best remote email reader protocol that currently exists.
And indeed, it is one of the worst IMAP clients of them all.
Only because Outlook is among the worst email clients with any protocol. I don't recommend using Outlook unless you have to deal with Exchange, and even then Thunderbird with Exchange IMAP is better as long as you don't have to respond to the calendar crap.
However, my point was in support of the original post I was replying to, where it was posited that "You will almost never ever be able to get a company to drop Microsoft Exchange/Outlook or Windows Server if they use it currently."
And it's about as relevant as any other "support" post that exists purely to provide an impression that the idea being pushed is already popular.
Now your quote: "So his argument to support Exchange proprietary protocol instead of IMAP is that supposedly different clients don't act like Outlook does when talking to Exchange server."
Precisely, that there will be tough time had by all trying to migrate from an Outlook/Exchange solution. I merely added details of why one might find it difficult to make that happen. Because things are different. Because there is a mix of different behaviors. Because the experience is not as "nice".
Nope. You tried to promote the point of view that you favor, and failed miserably.
Now, if you said that Exchange is a terrible IMAP server, so everyone who wants to use IMAP, or any other mail server, at the scale of university should ditch Exchange and install Cyrus, mail server that was developed precisely for this application, you would have a point. But that's the very opposite of your goal, promoting the use of Microsoft software.
Microsoft usually negotiates with people who handle purchasing, and those are not the same people who implement or determine anything. As long as IT people won't ask for any unusually expensive purchases, they can implement anything they want as long as nothing gets broken in the process.
Another post from your friendly Microsoft marketdroid.
Aren't you, guys, supposed to make those things longer so it would look like you actually made some point, or do they now pay you per click on "Submit"?
Yes!!! There is no open source software that will waste as much people's time in meeting as Exchange does by making an assumption that anyone at any time can be called to a meeting if he is not already in another meeting.
Total cost of ownership is Microsoft's standard argument against FOSS competition. You save on license fees, but what does educating people (administrators, tech support, end users) about the differences between MS and FOSS products cost you?
Most universities are known as places that are paid to educate people, not the other way around.
Mentioning in your resume that you can use Microsoft Office (or any office suite) will get your resume thrown away at any place where university degree is required. Maybe except some law companies.
A "nothing but open source" policy is as terrible as a "no open source" policy. Use what's best for the job, not what fits your ideologies.
Why? Why OTHERS are allowed to push their ideology, and only software should be firmly in "realpolitik" realm?
New media departments, for example, aren't going to switch to whatever bullshit the OSS world flogs when they have Maya/3DS Max, Photoshop, and Illustrator. Blender's good but nonstandard and nobody really uses it, the GIMP sucks for all the reasons everybody already knows, and Inkscape simply does not step to Illustrator.
Oh, of course, everyone knows those "reasons". That's because you and your friends in Adobe and Microsoft marketing departments repeat them constantly.
Except, of course, they are not real. Inkscape is the closest thing to a reference implementation of SVG that exists. Gimp and Cinepaint are used for movie production. Gimp provides the same useful functionality as Photoshop, except its user interface is not designed by a marketing department, so the user has to SELECT A TOOL IN A MENU for it to appear. And, of course, every fucking PRINTER DRIVER handles RGB/CMYK conversion now. Best of all, overwhelming majority of Photoshop-educated, Photoshop-using graphics artists still can't color-manage their way out of a wet brown paper bag (that is, the bag looks more orange or green when the picture of the bag is finally printed in whatever magazine they work for), and yet Adobe and Microsoft spare no effort making sure the world knows how important it is to use the great color management techniques that jump out at you and fix everything in your work automagically when you buy a copy of Photoshop and run it on Windows.
because GIMP doesn't (or is not allowed) to support Pantone colors
Neither does Photoshop. Pantone is a set of colors, you get them as samples you keep in a desk drawer. Everything else is an approximation. Also no printer that a student will be able to use at school is capable of reproducing them close enough without manual tweaking (and Photoshop is of no help with that), so it's actually a useful learning experience to build a table of colors that your printer can print as a Pantone approximation -- then use them with whatever piece of software you like, open or not.
and 16-bit channels,
Cinepaint branched off Gimp with primary difference being 16-bit channels. However you have to choose what to put into the foundation of your trolling -- if you use Pantone colors, then sure as Hell you are not going to get any use of 16-bit channels, and vice versa.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me announce another Microsoft marketdroid:
Please look at this:
And this is because there isn't an equivalent protocol that is as slick as Outlook connected to an Exchange server. Sure, you have your IMAP, but every mail client is a little different; some mark things as deleted, some move messages to a local deleted messages folder, some move them to a server deleted messages folder, etc.
Note that he is talking about DIFFERENT CLIENTS.
Now this:
And then you have Outlook. Everything is kept in server folders, which are synced all of the time (barring settings for the otherwise). E-mail is pushed to you within a second of the server getting it. Send a message and you are instantly done--no waiting for the client to connect to the server--it then sends in the background.
So his argument to support Exchange proprietary protocol instead of IMAP is that supposedly different clients don't act like Outlook does when talking to Exchange server.
Except, of course, Outlook supports IMAP. Outlook sucks in its own right, so I wouldn't recommend using it in the first place, however this is completely unrelated to the fact that this "aaron.axvig" person uses the argument so fallacious, it can not possibly come from anywhere but a marketing company.
Something should be terribly wrong with a university if it has to schedule rooms with Outlook. In fact, the only part of Exchange that usually isn't implemented in open source products is IT'S STUPID CALENDAR. This is because no self-respecting programmer will want to work on a system that is only good for stealing other people's time by demanding them to go to a meeting at any time when they aren't already in a meeting with somewhere else.
damn I love Outlook/Exchange.
Of course, he loves Microsoft software. This is what he is paid to do.
Even Outlook Web Access 2007 is good...it blows the doors off of ANY webmail client I've ever seen, and a good number of client applications too. Guess what, I don't even have to bitch about it not working in full featured mode with Firefox because I use IE7 all the time.
That's because Outlook Web Access is not a webmail system. It's an application running in his ActiveX-supporting browser (along with tons of other viruses).
Except, of course, it's up to politicians to choose which products' prices to use when establishing that ratio. The easiest way to skew it is to include some typical American products that are unpopular or rare (and therefore disproportionately expensive) abroad.
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You've created a double bind for the jury: They can't decide that he's lying until they decide that he killed Nina; if they can't decide his statements are lies, then they must accept his claims at face value; if they accept his claims at face value, they can't decide that he killed Nina. Therefore, all he has to do is claim he didn't kill Nina by claiming he couldn't, and no jury could convict him without a videotape of him strangling her.
There is a simple solution for this -- try to determine if he killed Nina, not if he is lying or not.
In reality, the circumstantial case against him was strong,
No, it was not. The evidence would not be sufficient to convict him if the jury was not hostile toward him -- and that hostility had nothing to do with the crime. It was possible to get more evidence, however police never bothered to do so -- they singled him out at the very beginning, spent untold amount of time following him (but only him), yet couldn't even take a sample of blood without messing up. Middle school kids provide better reasoning in essays than those detectives did in their investigation, so the whole trial mostly consisted of attorneys throwing feces at both Hans and Nina.
and he appeared to be lying in disputing the facts of that circumstantial case. I would have voted to convict,
He appeared to be frustrated and illogical. Neither is an evidence of a murder. If he was charged with "being an asshole" or "acting like an idiot", most of the trial would make much more sense.
and I'm far, far from a law-and-order, hang-em-all type.
You are that very "type" if you think that.
Then increase the tax, so it will be sufficient, you morons! You can't get something for nothing, and inventing new, less efficient ways to get money from the public merely adds more overhead (toll companies, equipment maintenance, mailing mini-tickets...)
Of course, it's competitive industry -- companies compete for access to politicians who let them fleece the public.
In reality just raising the taxes to cover any additional road maintenance would be a much more fair and cheap solution, however stupid Americans are afraid of taxes and would prefer to pay hundreds a year for toll roads rather than seeing few dollars in tax increases.
What Hans Reiser claimed would be recognized as a "lie" only if it was already proven that he killed Nina. Otherwise it's circular reasoning. In fact he merely was wrong and occasionally illogical -- however a person that charged with a murder may be wrong, illogical and still innocent. Worse yet, hiding something while being charged with murder is not the same as being guilty of murder -- one may hide something completely different.
Or... they could restart, press their F8 key or whatever, and do System Restoration.
...into unpatched Windows from 2-5 years ago? Good luck keeping it un-pwned until the updates will finish downloading.
who (correctly) reasoned that one doesn't lie in a murder case unless one's covering up a murder.
This is the most illogical claim I have ever heard about Hans Reiser -- and there are plenty of illogical things said about it.
That still doesn't change the fact that Hans Reiser was convicted without sufficient evidence, and what is more disturbing, without any investigation that would likely provide such evidence if police bothered to look for it.
Apparently most people can't accept a valid criticism of a process when it can somehow support even a slightest defense of something or someone that is evil or wrong. Same applies to criticism of idiotic laws and processes related to "terrorism", "sex offenders" and other similar scares.
Photoshop, as shown above, is often used as THE GREATEST ARGUMENT NOT TO USE LINUX. Just like the rest of Microsofties' arguments, it's usually invalid.
It's just one off-the-top-of-my-head point
First and foremost, it's a stupid point that reflects your ignorance in the matter.
making light of Mr. Belits' regularly retarded asshattery that he loves to spew. He's not really worth more than that.
My life was not complete without an evaluation of my overall worth by a Microsoft apologist.
Yeah, it allows you to use numbers and names for your colors. Anyone who needs it, can include those names (in all versions that are needed to match crazy color correction requirements).
Libraries break their ABI periodically on Linux because no one really thinks about binary developers. Think about this: a deb package for Ubuntu from a release six months ago will probably not work on the next release.
That's why it's a debian package -- it is maintained along with the rest of Debian distribution.
However Linux games come with their own libraries, and therefore continue running. At worst they may need a wrapper if it's an old game that used OSS instead of ALSA for sound, so to share the audio card with other applications it needs aoss or esddsp.
The point you are trying to make is, "Linux changes its system calls interface (that's what ABI is) and X protocol", however that would be false. My copies of Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 run now just like they did almost a decade ago (except with higher resolution and more fps).
Except the "cost of living" figures are not real -- they are based on prices of arbitrarily chosen product and can be easily skewed. How much would it cost in China to live an exact copy of American white-collar worker lifestyle (owning a house and a car, eating American fast food) and how it would compare to an actual person living in China doing a similar office job and living a similar kind of life (renting an apartment, having a bicycle, commuting public transit, eating local food)?
I won't try to defend people being denied preventative treatment, but single payer isn't the only solution. Even in a single payer system, hard decisions will be made about what is covered. Government insurance will be limited in what it can afford to cover, just like private - i.e. not utopia.
You mean, universal healthcare system that is implemented in almost each and every developed country already?
I don't think I need to explain myself when I say I don't want the government taking control of the entire health industry.
Your explanation would be many decades too late because nothing in US healthcare is ever done without going through the government-mandated processes that involve government agencies.
It can do a much better job of regulating health care without making half of the country a federal employee or federal contractor.
Except, of course, universal healthcare does not work that way.
Profits will still be made on health care in that situation, and the government will be the sole arbiter of who gets them - a bad situation if you ask me.
Does it mean that you believe, insurance companies are now better at making this decision?
Let me ask you a question, do profits explain the fact that it's cheaper, faster, easier and safer for me to send a package via UPS or FedEx than the US Postal Service?
No. It means that you haven't sent enough packages to notice how often UPS and FedEx employees steal them.
Does USPS have some profit motive for giving me crappy service?
Actually it sucks surprisingly little considering the amount of retarded and corrupt people involved in it.
You seem to think that a bunch of guys getting extremely rich is a fault of those nasty corporations, rather than say there is a natural bell curve of skill with a rather long tail.
No, I think that it's called "rent-seeking behavior" that is widely accepted as the bane and cancer of the economy even by the greatest apologists of US-style capitalism. Too bad, most of US economy is now based on it.
Yes, Outlook does support that craptastic IMAP protocol.
IMAP is the best remote email reader protocol that currently exists.
And indeed, it is one of the worst IMAP clients of them all.
Only because Outlook is among the worst email clients with any protocol. I don't recommend using Outlook unless you have to deal with Exchange, and even then Thunderbird with Exchange IMAP is better as long as you don't have to respond to the calendar crap.
However, my point was in support of the original post I was replying to, where it was posited that "You will almost never ever be able to get a company to drop Microsoft Exchange/Outlook or Windows Server if they use it currently."
And it's about as relevant as any other "support" post that exists purely to provide an impression that the idea being pushed is already popular.
Now your quote: "So his argument to support Exchange proprietary protocol instead of IMAP is that supposedly different clients don't act like Outlook does when talking to Exchange server."
Precisely, that there will be tough time had by all trying to migrate from an Outlook/Exchange solution. I merely added details of why one might find it difficult to make that happen. Because things are different. Because there is a mix of different behaviors. Because the experience is not as "nice".
Nope. You tried to promote the point of view that you favor, and failed miserably.
Now, if you said that Exchange is a terrible IMAP server, so everyone who wants to use IMAP, or any other mail server, at the scale of university should ditch Exchange and install Cyrus, mail server that was developed precisely for this application, you would have a point. But that's the very opposite of your goal, promoting the use of Microsoft software.
Oh, a lot of posts like this, too...
Microsoft usually negotiates with people who handle purchasing, and those are not the same people who implement or determine anything. As long as IT people won't ask for any unusually expensive purchases, they can implement anything they want as long as nothing gets broken in the process.
Another post from your friendly Microsoft marketdroid.
Aren't you, guys, supposed to make those things longer so it would look like you actually made some point, or do they now pay you per click on "Submit"?
Yes!!! There is no open source software that will waste as much people's time in meeting as Exchange does by making an assumption that anyone at any time can be called to a meeting if he is not already in another meeting.
Total cost of ownership is Microsoft's standard argument against FOSS competition. You save on license fees, but what does educating people (administrators, tech support, end users) about the differences between MS and FOSS products cost you?
Most universities are known as places that are paid to educate people, not the other way around.
Mentioning in your resume that you can use Microsoft Office (or any office suite) will get your resume thrown away at any place where university degree is required. Maybe except some law companies.
A "nothing but open source" policy is as terrible as a "no open source" policy. Use what's best for the job, not what fits your ideologies.
Why? Why OTHERS are allowed to push their ideology, and only software should be firmly in "realpolitik" realm?
New media departments, for example, aren't going to switch to whatever bullshit the OSS world flogs when they have Maya/3DS Max, Photoshop, and Illustrator. Blender's good but nonstandard and nobody really uses it, the GIMP sucks for all the reasons everybody already knows, and Inkscape simply does not step to Illustrator.
Oh, of course, everyone knows those "reasons". That's because you and your friends in Adobe and Microsoft marketing departments repeat them constantly.
Except, of course, they are not real. Inkscape is the closest thing to a reference implementation of SVG that exists. Gimp and Cinepaint are used for movie production. Gimp provides the same useful functionality as Photoshop, except its user interface is not designed by a marketing department, so the user has to SELECT A TOOL IN A MENU for it to appear. And, of course, every fucking PRINTER DRIVER handles RGB/CMYK conversion now. Best of all, overwhelming majority of Photoshop-educated, Photoshop-using graphics artists still can't color-manage their way out of a wet brown paper bag (that is, the bag looks more orange or green when the picture of the bag is finally printed in whatever magazine they work for), and yet Adobe and Microsoft spare no effort making sure the world knows how important it is to use the great color management techniques that jump out at you and fix everything in your work automagically when you buy a copy of Photoshop and run it on Windows.
because GIMP doesn't (or is not allowed) to support Pantone colors
Neither does Photoshop. Pantone is a set of colors, you get them as samples you keep in a desk drawer. Everything else is an approximation. Also no printer that a student will be able to use at school is capable of reproducing them close enough without manual tweaking (and Photoshop is of no help with that), so it's actually a useful learning experience to build a table of colors that your printer can print as a Pantone approximation -- then use them with whatever piece of software you like, open or not.
and 16-bit channels,
Cinepaint branched off Gimp with primary difference being 16-bit channels. However you have to choose what to put into the foundation of your trolling -- if you use Pantone colors, then sure as Hell you are not going to get any use of 16-bit channels, and vice versa.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me announce another Microsoft marketdroid:
Please look at this:
And this is because there isn't an equivalent protocol that is as slick as Outlook connected to an Exchange server. Sure, you have your IMAP, but every mail client is a little different; some mark things as deleted, some move messages to a local deleted messages folder, some move them to a server deleted messages folder, etc.
Note that he is talking about DIFFERENT CLIENTS.
Now this:
And then you have Outlook. Everything is kept in server folders, which are synced all of the time (barring settings for the otherwise). E-mail is pushed to you within a second of the server getting it. Send a message and you are instantly done--no waiting for the client to connect to the server--it then sends in the background.
So his argument to support Exchange proprietary protocol instead of IMAP is that supposedly different clients don't act like Outlook does when talking to Exchange server.
Except, of course, Outlook supports IMAP. Outlook sucks in its own right, so I wouldn't recommend using it in the first place, however this is completely unrelated to the fact that this "aaron.axvig" person uses the argument so fallacious, it can not possibly come from anywhere but a marketing company.
Synced calendars, room scheduling, task lists, delegated mailbox permissions, RSS feeds,
Something should be terribly wrong with a university if it has to schedule rooms with Outlook. In fact, the only part of Exchange that usually isn't implemented in open source products is IT'S STUPID CALENDAR. This is because no self-respecting programmer will want to work on a system that is only good for stealing other people's time by demanding them to go to a meeting at any time when they aren't already in a meeting with somewhere else.
damn I love Outlook/Exchange.
Of course, he loves Microsoft software. This is what he is paid to do.
Even Outlook Web Access 2007 is good...it blows the doors off of ANY webmail client I've ever seen, and a good number of client applications too. Guess what, I don't even have to bitch about it not working in full featured mode with Firefox because I use IE7 all the time.
That's because Outlook Web Access is not a webmail system. It's an application running in his ActiveX-supporting browser (along with tons of other viruses).
Gimp pretty much consists of plugins.
Except, of course, it's up to politicians to choose which products' prices to use when establishing that ratio. The easiest way to skew it is to include some typical American products that are unpopular or rare (and therefore disproportionately expensive) abroad.