but not as a form of protest. My wife has a terrible voice. For a joke, we were going to have her sing some popular songs, and then post them on Napster and watch people download them.
So why are you getting all upset now and flaiming Katz?
I am upset at Katz, flaming even, because he implies that if all the irresponsible engineers and inventors were rounded up and executed, there would be a bloodbath. There may be iresponsible engineers and inventors, but I don't think there are many.
That's a slur against my profession, nearly every engineer I went to school with or know is conscientious of their responsibilities. Unlike say, a journalist, where one can make provocative statements with little basis in fact just to make a name. The idea that an engineer would design a dangerous building or vehicle just for attention is repugnant, yes this is a standard journalistic practice.
Fittingly, he also refers to the Code of Hammurabi, one of the first codified systems of law dating back to the days of Babylonian dominance. That code dictated that if a mason constructed a building which collapsed and killed the owner, the mason would be summarily executed. Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.
This idea was stressed and reinforced when I was taking engineering classes. We realized we had responsibilities akin to a doctor, except a doctor has a hard time killing hundreds of people at one time.
Now, I may be an old fart, but this was only 15 years ago, I can't imagine it has changed much (BS Aerospace, 1988).
So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few? The double decker highways collapsing in Oakland or Japan? I'm sure a foolish company put in an earthquake resistant bid for those, and I'm sure they weren't the low bidder. Some government official decided those highways didn't need to be earthquake resistant, maybe we should execute them.
You might want to execute the builders too, if you use shitty materials, the best design in the world won't help.
Also, could we extend your analogy to journalists? Can we execute a journalist if a suicidal teen reads their work?
Of course, engineers and inventors aren't held accountable that way, but then, the only people that are held accountable with a penatly of death are poor, retarded minorities (unless you live in an enlightened country).
They still seem slow to me, especially when dragging a window around.
I have the chance to play with a Sun Enterprise rackmount server with a flat panel LCD, it sure is nift looking, but the slow refresh rate is to distracting.
I imagine doing Quake or Doom on this would be lackluster, jsut a bunch of smeared pixels.
Are they every going to make the refresh rate better?
I thought people reverse engineered IBM's stuff and that IBM fought it tooth and nail. Did IBM acutely open up their stuff?
Hmm, maybe you're right, I'm not sure. But there must be a good reason no one did this to Apple, or why Apple succeeded in being propietary and IBM didn't.
800x600 or 600x800. Cool. Macs were waaay ahead of the times back then. Supported multiple monitors (up to 8!) since the Mac II in the 80s. PCs are just bareley getting this capability now. And never a resource conflict on the NuBus cards... GURANTEED. Why? Because each SLOT had its own interrupt/resources. I mean really "Duh! Why didn't designers of ISA, VESA, Microchannel, PCI, AGP, PCI 100,..., figure out something as simple as this?" stuff. Geez.
If only Apple had gambled like IBM
And opened all this neat stuff up, they would have had a smaller piece of the pie, but a much bigger pie.
But unless they included a command line, I would have still disliked them.
They've had monitors that can be tipped on their side for years. Mostly used for word-processing work. To the OS, they look like something with a higher height than width.
Oh yeah, that's right, I have a Mac in my basement with a Radius monitor, that goes from Portrait to Landscape, thanks!
I mean, computing was exciting when the personal computer revolution broke out (see Pirates of Silicon Valey), and the Mac was revolutionary (see that famous commercial), but a whole movie about X11 developers?
Where's the drama, getting 600x800 on a new card, making anti-aliasing work? I guess I'm just not geek enough to appreciate this.
My name is Archimedes. A few moons ago I was nearly in debtors prison, until I came across this simple formula. Now, I am awash in drachma, copper ingots, silver, gold and other precious materials.
If you follow these simple steps, you too can have the wealth of Croesus
I agree with you - that people should not be forced to pay for sins their ancestors committed. However, I think that corporations should be forced to pay for evil things they have done. This is why neither I nor anyone in my family buys Volkswagon vehicles, Krupps machinery or coffeymakers, Bayer Drugs, ect... These companies used slave labor and forced human test subjects during the Holocaust, for that, they deserve to loose their right to operate business.
IIRC, Volkswagen was started in the early 50's (with British help) to give the Germans employment.
It is true the Volkswagen was designed under Hitler's directive (by a famous tank designer by the name of Porsche, I think he made cars too), so are you against a postwar corporation for using a wartime design?
If so, better not patronize any company that uses jets, or radar, etc, etc.
And forget about NASA, they were full of Nazi's in the 50's and 60s'.
Also, before getting all uppidy on UR, just remember that you go to school in Rochester, which is probably one of the most horrible places in the country.
I beg to differ, I live in Rochester by choice.
I can only compare Rochester to the places I've lived, which include:
State College, PA
the Atlantic City, NJ area
North Collins, NY (23 miles south of Buffalo)
Raleigh, NC
and Rochester comes out on top, with Raleigh second (I missed winter in Raleigh, and Raleigh needs a downtown).
Of course, the above places aren't anything special, but if you're looking for a reasonably priced, computer aware place to live and raise a family, you could do far worse than Rochester.
Separating work and leisure into different activities was only true as a result of the Industrial Revolution.
Prior to the Industrial Revolution, if you were a farmer, you worked your farm, no matter how long it took. Ideally you gained satisfaction from what you were doing, seeing how your crops and animals grew, and you didn't mind the extra work.
If you were an artisian, you worked at home doing your crafts, for as long as it took. You were doing something that interested you, and you worked extra hours and didn't complain about it.
Once the Industrial Revolution came, you couldn't take your assembly line home with you. You worked your boring, mind numbing job, then went home.
Today, if you're lucky, you get a job that interests you, and you may even work at it at night. UNIX and computers fascinate me, I would play with them at night even if I didn't have a job that dealt with them. The fact that my job deals with UNIX and computers is only a bonus.
To say that you should be free of your job at 40 hours a week misses the point, after 40 hours a week I'm free of the tedious paperwork, but I still play with technology.
Did pong even come in a stand-up arcade form? I think it was just a console game for the 2600. The MAME people are definitely "with the program", apparently a bit more than you are:P
I remember seeing Pong in a stand up version at the Roller Rink in the mid 70's, way before the 2600.
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but not as a form of protest. My wife has a terrible voice. For a joke, we were going to have her sing some popular songs, and then post them on Napster and watch people download them.
William Shatner beat you to it.
Hey,
Mr.
Tambourine
Man
George
sorry about that missing
So why are you getting all upset now and flaiming Katz?
I am upset at Katz, flaming even, because he implies that if all the irresponsible engineers and inventors were rounded up and executed, there would be a bloodbath. There may be iresponsible engineers and inventors, but I don't think there are many.
That's a slur against my profession, nearly every engineer I went to school with or know is conscientious of their responsibilities. Unlike say, a journalist, where one can make provocative statements with little basis in fact just to make a name. The idea that an engineer would design a dangerous building or vehicle just for attention is repugnant, yes this is a standard journalistic practice.
George
Fittingly, he also refers to the Code of Hammurabi, one of the first codified systems of law dating back to the days of Babylonian dominance. That code dictated that if a mason constructed a building which collapsed and killed the owner, the mason would be summarily executed. Imagine the bloodbath if modern engineers and inventors were held accountable that way.
This idea was stressed and reinforced when I was taking engineering classes. We realized we had responsibilities akin to a doctor, except a doctor has a hard time killing hundreds of people at one time.
Now, I may be an old fart, but this was only 15 years ago, I can't imagine it has changed much (BS Aerospace, 1988).
So, Mr. Katz, I'm having trouble imagining the bloodbath, can you name a few? The double decker highways collapsing in Oakland or Japan? I'm sure a foolish company put in an earthquake resistant bid for those, and I'm sure they weren't the low bidder. Some government official decided those highways didn't need to be earthquake resistant, maybe we should execute them.
You might want to execute the builders too, if you use shitty materials, the best design in the world won't help.
Oh yeah, Salon has a review on a similar book, Collapse, when buildings fall
down.
Also, could we extend your analogy to journalists? Can we execute a journalist if a suicidal teen reads their work?
Of course, engineers and inventors aren't held accountable that way, but then, the only people that are held accountable with a penatly of death are poor, retarded minorities (unless you live in an enlightened country).
George
They still seem slow to me, especially when dragging a window around.
I have the chance to play with a Sun Enterprise rackmount server with a flat panel LCD, it sure is nift looking, but the slow refresh rate is to distracting.
I imagine doing Quake or Doom on this would be lackluster, jsut a bunch of smeared pixels.
Are they every going to make the refresh rate better?
George
"In 1991, on a 486/66"
Was that even possible? Sounds more like 1993. But what do I know?
It might have been late 91, or even early 92, I forget.
This was an expensive (~50k) peripheral, for an even more expensive printer (~250k), so if 486/66's were available, we used them.
George
In 1991, on a 486/66, running XNS instead of TCP/IP, what a bastardized mess.
I still have to support this kludge, which gives me an unfavorable opinion of SCO.
I probably won't miss them.
George
I thought people reverse engineered IBM's stuff and that IBM fought it tooth and nail. Did IBM acutely open up their stuff?
Hmm, maybe you're right, I'm not sure. But there must be a good reason no one did this to Apple, or why Apple succeeded in being propietary and IBM didn't.
George
800x600 or 600x800. Cool. Macs were waaay ahead of the times back then. Supported multiple monitors (up to 8!) since the Mac II in the 80s. PCs are just bareley getting this capability now. And never a resource conflict on the NuBus cards... GURANTEED. Why? Because each SLOT had its own interrupt/resources. I mean really "Duh! Why didn't designers of ISA, VESA, Microchannel, PCI, AGP, PCI 100, ..., figure out something as simple as this?" stuff. Geez.
If only Apple had gambled like IBM
And opened all this neat stuff up, they would have had a smaller piece of the pie, but a much bigger pie.
But unless they included a command line, I would have still disliked them.
George
Not only that, but you're not geek enough to know the difference between 800x600 and 600x800 (and don't even try to tell me you really meant 600x800)
And furthermore, the Radius monitor on my Mac, that switches from Landscape to Portrait laughs at you.
George
They've had monitors that can be tipped on their side for years. Mostly used for word-processing work. To the OS, they look like something with a higher height than width.
Oh yeah, that's right, I have a Mac in my basement with a Radius monitor, that goes from Portrait to Landscape, thanks!
George
how about X11R7-men?
George
He's shooting for "+5, Funny." And missing badly.
Right, he should have said the sequel would be called
NeWS-men
George
Not only that, but you're not geek enough to know the difference between 800x600 and 600x800 (and don't even try to tell me you really meant 600x800)
I'm gonna find out where you live and scream X-Windows until blood comes out your ears.
George
I just don't understand the point.
I mean, computing was exciting when the personal computer revolution broke out (see Pirates of Silicon Valey), and the Mac was revolutionary (see that famous commercial), but a whole movie about X11 developers?
Where's the drama, getting 600x800 on a new card, making anti-aliasing work? I guess I'm just not geek enough to appreciate this.
George
Hi,
My name is Archimedes. A few moons ago I was nearly in debtors prison, until I came across this simple formula. Now, I am awash in drachma, copper ingots, silver, gold and other precious materials.
If you follow these simple steps, you too can have the wealth of Croesus
I agree with you - that people should not be forced to pay for sins their ancestors committed. However, I think that corporations should be forced to pay for evil things they have done. This is why neither I nor anyone in my family buys Volkswagon vehicles, Krupps machinery or coffeymakers, Bayer Drugs, ect... These companies used slave labor and forced human test subjects during the Holocaust, for that, they deserve to loose their right to operate business.
IIRC, Volkswagen was started in the early 50's (with British help) to give the Germans employment.
It is true the Volkswagen was designed under Hitler's directive (by a famous tank designer by the name of Porsche, I think he made cars too), so are you against a postwar corporation for using a wartime design?
If so, better not patronize any company that uses jets, or radar, etc, etc.
And forget about NASA, they were full of Nazi's in the 50's and 60s'.
George
I beg to differ, I live in Rochester by choice.
I can only compare Rochester to the places I've lived, which include:
and Rochester comes out on top, with Raleigh second (I missed winter in Raleigh, and Raleigh needs a downtown).
Of course, the above places aren't anything special, but if you're looking for a reasonably priced, computer aware place to live and raise a family, you could do far worse than Rochester.
George
don't worry, i backed up the net last night =)
Can I get a copy? I'll send you a few blank CDs.
Thanks,
George
It's kind of funny
Separating work and leisure into different activities was only true as a result of the Industrial Revolution.
Prior to the Industrial Revolution, if you were a farmer, you worked your farm, no matter how long it took. Ideally you gained satisfaction from what you were doing, seeing how your crops and animals grew, and you didn't mind the extra work.
If you were an artisian, you worked at home doing your crafts, for as long as it took. You were doing something that interested you, and you worked extra hours and didn't complain about it.
Once the Industrial Revolution came, you couldn't take your assembly line home with you. You worked your boring, mind numbing job, then went home.
Today, if you're lucky, you get a job that interests you, and you may even work at it at night. UNIX and computers fascinate me, I would play with them at night even if I didn't have a job that dealt with them. The fact that my job deals with UNIX and computers is only a bonus.
To say that you should be free of your job at 40 hours a week misses the point, after 40 hours a week I'm free of the tedious paperwork, but I still play with technology.
George
You're logged in too, for extra bonus points. But you're not quite there. Nice try, the effort's noticed, but you're still trolling.
He made a valid point. Between the Walnut Creek boot and UNIX in a nutshell, I have all I need to maintain my FreeBSD server.
I once made a joke with my co-authors, we could right FreeBSD in a Nutshell with an OCR'ed copy of UNIX in a Nutshell and sed.
George
my first was a triangular shaped one, I think it was in the Telstar family?
It came with a Pong, a tank battle, and a race game, and you rotated it to choose your game.
Sound familiar?
George
Did pong even come in a stand-up arcade form? I think it was just a console game for the 2600. The MAME people are definitely "with the program", apparently a bit more than you are:P
I remember seeing Pong in a stand up version at the Roller Rink in the mid 70's, way before the 2600.
George
I just checked the list at mame.net, they don't even have Pong listed.
They better get with the program.
George