Oh, and if you wrote an assembler once, you would KNOW that often the (final) output of a COMPILER would be something that eventually got passed to ASM (and the linker) and that ASM was the entity that translated the compiler intermediary code into native CPU instructions. Since you apparently didn't know this, I seriously doubt the truthfulness in this statement
Not necessarily true. It's possible to write a compiler that directly generates machine code. Just like it's possible to write a real java compiler that compiles to native code instead of class files - which is what Oracle is going to have to do (or pay someone else to do) if they want Java to expand in scope.
Don't get me wrong - java has its place, but it the mistakes HAVE to be fixed, or 20 years from now, it will be dead.
So then you'd be a proponent of same-sex marriage, to "reduce the amount of sin in the world", right? BTW, we have same-sex marriage here and the country didn't descend into hell - quite the contrary.
Now about that command from god - "do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - how could you know it was evil, or wrong, to do so unless you already had the knowledge of good and evil? There's no "boot-strap".
Its why, for example, when we let minors testify in court, we first question them so that we're sure they understand what telling the truth involves, and why they should - "because it's wrong not to."
Seems to me the only one to blame here is god for releasing a model with incomplete software a la Toyota.
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Don't be fooled by version numbers - it's been a decade since they meant anything. All the distros are playing the "major version number game." When 11.3 comes out, the upgrade process will be the same, ditto when 12. comes out.
The SuSe equivalent of what I'm referring to would be to combine 10.2, 10.3, and 11.0 into the same partition and boot into a single instance that contains a mix of all three. That is what apt is capable of, and yum is not.
My current one is a mix of 10.3, 11.0, 11.2, and 11.2.
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I did the latest upgrade on both my desktop and laptop by simply switching repositories from 11.1 to 11.2. One reboot after it was all done, to activate the new kernel.
Also, you can run as many different versions as you want - just point the upgrader/installer to the right mount points in each case. IOW, you can have 11.2 running on one or more partitions, a second copy on another set of partitions, a common home, a common swap, a few other distros on yet other partitions, no problem - but then again, I haven't seen a disto where that would be a problem, so debian is nothing special in that respect.
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and SuSe lists none of their repositories in their installer
Software update... starts the package manager.
Click on "Repositories" menu (duh!)
Click on "add" button.
Click on the "community repositories" radio button, and/or choose "scan with slp"
Right now my main desktop has more than 360,000 files reported by apt as being installed.
... and I've got between 2 and 3x that. Pick the defaults and it works. I get conflicts because I override the defaults, but I also know how to fix that with a quick click on the second choice instead of the first.
So what cpu and motherboard are you running on? It can't be Intel or ARM or AMD
And which of these companies claim to be devoted to open source? Not a one
So again, since all these companies have put money where their mouth is with respect to open source - Intel, for example, contributed 4.1% of the kernel code
Intel's position as the fourth-biggest corporate source of contributions "happened by virtue of the work done by four of the top-20 developers.... Intel has a lot of people working on the kernel, many of whom spend little time in the limelight," Corbet wrote in the same posting.
So, since Chipzilla also works with the Beast from Redmond, my question stands - what cpu and motherboard do you use? Because that's no reason not to use OpenSUSE. Novell has done a LOT for the community.
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You have to know which repositories to use or your installation fails, and which repositories support network installations is anything but obvious
I've got 25 repositories enabled, and they're all on-line. Do a basic install off the dvd, then enable the online repositories and install everything else from there. I have between 3,000 and 4,000 packages installed, and I run into very few conflicts.
a 13-gig update required me to make ONE choice.
Lastly, Novell, and by association all versions of SuSe, lost my support when they made deals with the devil.
So what cpu and motherboard are you running on? It can't be Intel or ARM or AMD... and you certainly can't be using an iPhone or a Mac...
We like to imagine that every Microsoft OS installation will work just as well as the company promises.
Actually around here people like to imagine that every MS OS installation will miserably crash, because then they strut around feeling good about using Linux.
[X] Psst... it's not your imagination, honey:-)
[X] I use BSD, you insensitive clod!
[X] In Soviet Russia, Windows crashes YOU!... oh, wait a sec...
[X] CowboyNeal is my runtime environment (Ewww!)
[X]... but at least it blends...
[X] If someone says "There's an app for that" one more time I'll throw a chair at them!
[X] Steve Ballmer posts on slashdot!!!
She meant spinach, and I refused to eat it. And it turns out I was right - spinach is very LOW in iron. It turns out that a decimal point error was propagated for decades, and that the "spinach is high in iron and good for you" speeches were wrong.
You need a Java virtual machine (jvm) to run your so-called "compiled code". Why? Because it's not "compiled code" - it's an intermediary representation that the JVM can further interpret and then run.
The day you can run Java directly on your os w/o needing a runtime interpreter (same as those old visual basic programs, btw), THEN you can say you have a compiled binary. Until then, the java class files are just bytes to be interpreted by a jvm, not compiled code tht can be executed.
Same as a word processor interprets the bytes in your doc to display your document, same as a web browser interprets html and css and javascript to display a web page.
And I know that "inline" is only a suggestion - and that's because most cpus are register-poor. It's also why I preferred writng in assembler for motorola cpus instead of intel.
If you want to learn interesting things about JIT compilers,
oh lookie - JIT compilers - so java isn't a compiled language after all, is it?
An email or a phone call should take care of the problem. If it doesn't then a web site won't, either. That's when you go to the town council meeting.
People problems can't be solved by technical solutions. Otherwise, we wouldn't have people clicking on spam, we wouldn't have viruses and trojans, and we'd already have the "Year of the linux desktop" (which, btw, will never happen, unfortunately - at least not until CrapUbuntu is killed off).
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For the life of me, though, I still can't figure out why, if your criteria for choosing an OS really is looks, you would run Windows. I like the looks of my Debian installs much more than I like the looks of Windows. Plus, I can add far more eye candy to Debian than you can to Windows, and run it on cheaper hardware than Windows will require, while getting the same level of performance.
I run Postgresql and Apache on my laptop(single core Turion, 1 gig of ram, 4200 rpm drives, ATI Radeon 200M ) so I can build databases and web apps. Plus I run a few Compiz eye candy effects, and my 6 year old laptop still has acceptable performance. I don't think, although I haven't run a Windows OS for several years, you would get the same performance out of a modern Windows server running eye candy, IIS, and SqlServer that I get out of Debian on this old of hardware.
Why would I run Windows on my laptop when I can run OpenSUSE? MUCH better looking than Ubuntu, my web cam works, my wireless works, both my 320gig hard drives are accessible, my dvd burner works, my usb connections work, my tv out and 2nd monitor out work, my speakers work, and with 4 gigs of ram it never even breaks a sweat - unless I boot into Windows "for the heck of it" - then the fan comes on because Vista is a piece of you-know-what.
Ubuntu is ugly - but it's also ugly inside - another developer made the mistake of installing it on his machine... I let him suffer for a few weeks before I fixed it by reformatting it and installing a real linux.
Compiled languages are executed directly by the cpu. Java is no more a compiled language than a Word doc is.
What do you think the JIT in the run-time does? It translates the bytecode (which is a misnomer, because it is not executable by the cpu), into native instructions, same as those old basic interpreters do.
Again, JAVA IS NOT A COMPILED LANGUAGE. And I've WRITTEN an assembler from scratch way back when, so I know a bit about computers... certainly more than you.
You really don't know what you're talking about. Parroting crap off the web. Fool.
I only knew one person who couldn't detect odors. A funny story. He had a cold, and another classmate in chem got him to sniff glacial acetic acid. He couldn't smell it (think 100x the strength of vinegar). So he sniffed deeper. And that was THAT. No sense of smell - ever.
He ended up in the nut-house, but that's another story.
There's nothing easier than phoning or sending an email to city hall saying "there's a loose sewer cover / burned out street lights / whatever". They generally send someone to take care of it within 24 hours.
Then again, we have a VERY good mayor and a very effective town council. TRY to find a pothole - the mayor has a contest every year, and he offers to pay $10 to each person who reports one - out of his own pocket. He never has to pay, because he keeps on top of things.
I compare that to the surrounding cities, with their spring craters, and I don't complain.
Good service has nothing to do with the technology, and everything to do with the people involved. If you've got crappy people, a web site won't make the difference - running against them next election might.
Where do you live that allows your neighbourhood to have a 50 person conference call with a city official
Guess what? We've had that for decades BEFORE the Internet - it's called the monthly town council meeting. Complete with media coverage. Much more effective than yet another web site. They know that if one person shows up, there are probably 100 more who are p***ed off, and that the one showing up may very well end up running against them next election,,,
THAT is how you get things done, from changing zoning or speed limits to noise abatement. Get off your lard-arses and get involved.
That's what we have town council meetings, local newspapers (6 of them at last count - 3 free weeklies and 3 dailies), and radio and TV stations for. There's no need for an "aggregator", and it only takes a few bucks to set up a "$MAYOR_SO_AND_SO_SUCKS.COM" site that will be MUCH more effective.
Where, oh where, do I start... there's just so much, and so little time.
Plus there's so much that has poisoned the well of social interaction. For example, the continual condemnation of lesbians and gays, even though we know it's no more a "lifestyle choice" than being straight is a "lifestyle choice."
The first crack was the slaughter of the children depicted in the old testament on god's command. There was no way, despite every effort, of justifying that - hence the whole "cognitive dissonance" thing. Even the devil wasn't as bad.
How is this a book review? It is a chapter-by-chapter summary followed by a one-liner that the guy likes the book. How about slashvertisement for a change??
It's "Ubuntu on a dime!" or - "You get what you pay for."
Book that's great: "Programming Perl" (and I'm not even a big perl fan).
Book that sucks enough that I want my money back: "Design Patterns" Read the first chapter, then close it, because it goes downhill from there.
News flash - most pastors haven't read the whole bible either. It's not a requirement for graduating from seminaries - not even fundie ones like Dallas theological.
As for "making trouble", religion's been doing that for a LONG time - like this letter that shows it's not just petty gossip.
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It's called Hardware DRM.
Finally - a CowboyNeal option that is the right one!
Not necessarily true. It's possible to write a compiler that directly generates machine code. Just like it's possible to write a real java compiler that compiles to native code instead of class files - which is what Oracle is going to have to do (or pay someone else to do) if they want Java to expand in scope.
Don't get me wrong - java has its place, but it the mistakes HAVE to be fixed, or 20 years from now, it will be dead.
So then you'd be a proponent of same-sex marriage, to "reduce the amount of sin in the world", right? BTW, we have same-sex marriage here and the country didn't descend into hell - quite the contrary.
Now about that command from god - "do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - how could you know it was evil, or wrong, to do so unless you already had the knowledge of good and evil? There's no "boot-strap".
Its why, for example, when we let minors testify in court, we first question them so that we're sure they understand what telling the truth involves, and why they should - "because it's wrong not to."
Seems to me the only one to blame here is god for releasing a model with incomplete software a la Toyota.
My current one is a mix of 10.3, 11.0, 11.2, and 11.2.
I did the latest upgrade on both my desktop and laptop by simply switching repositories from 11.1 to 11.2. One reboot after it was all done, to activate the new kernel.
Also, you can run as many different versions as you want - just point the upgrader/installer to the right mount points in each case. IOW, you can have 11.2 running on one or more partitions, a second copy on another set of partitions, a common home, a common swap, a few other distros on yet other partitions, no problem - but then again, I haven't seen a disto where that would be a problem, so debian is nothing special in that respect.
Software update ... starts the package manager.
Click on "Repositories" menu (duh!)
Click on "add" button.
Click on the "community repositories" radio button, and/or choose "scan with slp"
Both AMD and Intel are into open source. Do your research. They're both members of the Eclipse Foundation, AMD has contributed hardware to developers, as well as the servers running groklaw, etc., and Intel is active with all sorts of stuff, and ARM sponsored the code to get debian to run on ARM.
So again, since all these companies have put money where their mouth is with respect to open source - Intel, for example, contributed 4.1% of the kernel code
So, since Chipzilla also works with the Beast from Redmond, my question stands - what cpu and motherboard do you use? Because that's no reason not to use OpenSUSE. Novell has done a LOT for the community.
I've got 25 repositories enabled, and they're all on-line. Do a basic install off the dvd, then enable the online repositories and install everything else from there. I have between 3,000 and 4,000 packages installed, and I run into very few conflicts. a 13-gig update required me to make ONE choice.
So what cpu and motherboard are you running on? It can't be Intel or ARM or AMD ... and you certainly can't be using an iPhone or a Mac ...
[X] Psst ... it's not your imagination, honey :-)
... oh, wait a sec ...
... but at least it blends ...
[X] I use BSD, you insensitive clod!
[X] In Soviet Russia, Windows crashes YOU!
[X] CowboyNeal is my runtime environment (Ewww!)
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[X] If someone says "There's an app for that" one more time I'll throw a chair at them!
[X] Steve Ballmer posts on slashdot!!!
There - fixed it for you.
She meant spinach, and I refused to eat it. And it turns out I was right - spinach is very LOW in iron. It turns out that a decimal point error was propagated for decades, and that the "spinach is high in iron and good for you" speeches were wrong.
The concept was not new with Java - pascal used pcode and a pcode interpreter LONG before java saw the light of day - where do you think JG borrowed the idea from? Learn your computer history.
The day you can run Java directly on your os w/o needing a runtime interpreter (same as those old visual basic programs, btw), THEN you can say you have a compiled binary. Until then, the java class files are just bytes to be interpreted by a jvm, not compiled code tht can be executed.
Same as a word processor interprets the bytes in your doc to display your document, same as a web browser interprets html and css and javascript to display a web page.
And I know that "inline" is only a suggestion - and that's because most cpus are register-poor. It's also why I preferred writng in assembler for motorola cpus instead of intel.
oh lookie - JIT compilers - so java isn't a compiled language after all, is it?
People problems can't be solved by technical solutions. Otherwise, we wouldn't have people clicking on spam, we wouldn't have viruses and trojans, and we'd already have the "Year of the linux desktop" (which, btw, will never happen, unfortunately - at least not until CrapUbuntu is killed off).
Why would I run Windows on my laptop when I can run OpenSUSE? MUCH better looking than Ubuntu, my web cam works, my wireless works, both my 320gig hard drives are accessible, my dvd burner works, my usb connections work, my tv out and 2nd monitor out work, my speakers work, and with 4 gigs of ram it never even breaks a sweat - unless I boot into Windows "for the heck of it" - then the fan comes on because Vista is a piece of you-know-what.
Ubuntu is ugly - but it's also ugly inside - another developer made the mistake of installing it on his machine ... I let him suffer for a few weeks before I fixed it by reformatting it and installing a real linux.
Compiled languages are executed directly by the cpu. Java is no more a compiled language than a Word doc is.
What do you think the JIT in the run-time does? It translates the bytecode (which is a misnomer, because it is not executable by the cpu), into native instructions, same as those old basic interpreters do.
Again, JAVA IS NOT A COMPILED LANGUAGE. And I've WRITTEN an assembler from scratch way back when, so I know a bit about computers ... certainly more than you.
You really don't know what you're talking about. Parroting crap off the web. Fool.
I only knew one person who couldn't detect odors. A funny story. He had a cold, and another classmate in chem got him to sniff glacial acetic acid. He couldn't smell it (think 100x the strength of vinegar). So he sniffed deeper. And that was THAT. No sense of smell - ever.
He ended up in the nut-house, but that's another story.
Then a web site won't help them, and they'll fix it themselves anyways, and tell you to get off their lawn
There's nothing easier than phoning or sending an email to city hall saying "there's a loose sewer cover / burned out street lights / whatever". They generally send someone to take care of it within 24 hours.
Then again, we have a VERY good mayor and a very effective town council. TRY to find a pothole - the mayor has a contest every year, and he offers to pay $10 to each person who reports one - out of his own pocket. He never has to pay, because he keeps on top of things.
I compare that to the surrounding cities, with their spring craters, and I don't complain.
Good service has nothing to do with the technology, and everything to do with the people involved. If you've got crappy people, a web site won't make the difference - running against them next election might.
Guess what? We've had that for decades BEFORE the Internet - it's called the monthly town council meeting. Complete with media coverage. Much more effective than yet another web site. They know that if one person shows up, there are probably 100 more who are p***ed off, and that the one showing up may very well end up running against them next election ,,,
THAT is how you get things done, from changing zoning or speed limits to noise abatement. Get off your lard-arses and get involved.
That's what we have town council meetings, local newspapers (6 of them at last count - 3 free weeklies and 3 dailies), and radio and TV stations for. There's no need for an "aggregator", and it only takes a few bucks to set up a "$MAYOR_SO_AND_SO_SUCKS.COM" site that will be MUCH more effective.
They had to withdraw it - too many teenagers were injuring themselves on the centerfold staples.
How would you find them by LOOKING??? Duh!
The city is never any further than an email or phone call away. Where do you live that your city doesn't have phone or an Internet presence?
Plus there's so much that has poisoned the well of social interaction. For example, the continual condemnation of lesbians and gays, even though we know it's no more a "lifestyle choice" than being straight is a "lifestyle choice."
The first crack was the slaughter of the children depicted in the old testament on god's command. There was no way, despite every effort, of justifying that - hence the whole "cognitive dissonance" thing. Even the devil wasn't as bad.
It's "Ubuntu on a dime!" or - "You get what you pay for."
Book that's great: "Programming Perl" (and I'm not even a big perl fan).
Book that sucks enough that I want my money back: "Design Patterns" Read the first chapter, then close it, because it goes downhill from there.
Biggest waste of money so far: "C++ Cookbook"
Recommended reading: "Database System Concepts"
+5 Informative: "Compiler Design in C"
Sci-Fi: "The Past through Tomorrow (Heinlein)"
Try the fish.
News flash - most pastors haven't read the whole bible either. It's not a requirement for graduating from seminaries - not even fundie ones like Dallas theological.
As for "making trouble", religion's been doing that for a LONG time - like this letter that shows it's not just petty gossip.