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Hard Drives Shipping with Star Trek

crimeandpunishment writes "Paramount Pictures is trying to live long and prosper by selling Seagate Technology hard drives with the latest Star Trek movie on board ... along with 20 other films. The 500GB hard drive will sell for a special promotional price of $100. It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

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  1. $100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 500GB hard drive will sell for a special promotional price of $100.

    Oh yeah that is, of course, if you don't want to watch the titles. If you want to watch the movies:

    The other movies distributed by Paramount, including "GI Joe," ''Nacho Libre" and "Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius" come pre-loaded with a digital lock that requires a code that can be purchased online for $10 to $15 each. Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration.

    So yeah it's $100 or over triple that if you actually want to watch the "promotional" material. Otherwise you're buying a hard drive with a (presumably Windows) partition that has Windows DRM and twenty movies taking up 50 gigabytes of space. Sounds to me like a lame AOL CD that gets you working with the shit and then hopes that you just keep using their platform for buying and downloading movies.

    I guess a brave soul could buy the drive and leave the 50 gigs intact and then download the 20 movies and feign ignorance if the MPAA comes knocking at the door. I wonder if there's some consumer protection laws that states if you buy something legally you have a right to enjoy it. Because right now you're buying a digital copy of something that is encrypted but you're not receiving the license that is required to watch it. They better carefully label that the PROMOTION part of the sale lest a consumer figures that they're paying 10% for the movies and 90% for the drive and then becomes upset when they get home and can't watch the movies without ponying up an additional 200%-300%.

    Both companies declined to say if they were taking a loss on the promotional price.

    Really? Oh yeah, sounds like Sony is bending over backwards to trap you into paying the retail price of owning the digital movie that sells for $15 right now on Amazon. They're using Seagate and Seagate customers are rubes to get around paying for streaming bandwidth of these 50 gigs to potential customers.

    I choose to rate this tactic as USDA certified lame. Shame on Seagate. Shame on Sony. I feel sorry for those that might buy this without realizing what they're getting themselves into.

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    1. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

    2. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by blackraven14250 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wow, the first poster actually RTFA, and added something extremely informative to the discussion.

    3. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Uncle+Rummy · · Score: 4, Informative

      And what's up with their $100 "promotioal" price, and the claim that "an empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140"? It took me all of 20 seconds to find a 500 GB Seagate on Newegg for $54.99 with free shipping.

    4. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Reikk · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other words.. you could say this hard drive comes with Data?

    5. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      AND it's a post-Maxtor buyout Seagate drive. Avoid at all costs.

      How the mighty have fallen...

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    6. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      I noticed something similar when I picked up a copy of Gran Torino a few months ago. It came with a little insert that had a code I could allegedly use to download a digital copy of the movie. I thought, "That's cool, I can put it on my laptop and watch it on my next trip." Then I got to the website and was eventually prompted for a credit card number. They wanted more money for the privilege of obtaining a DRM'ed copy of the movie I already paid for.

      Yeah, that was going to happen.....

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    7. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by electrosoccertux · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

      no u misunderstand, the film was ripped off the dvd ONTO the hard drive.

    8. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by IICV · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, for $100 you can buy a reasonable 1 TB hard drive. A 500 GB non-insane speed drive should cost ~$50.

      Since the movies won't come unlocked, you're paying ~$50 for 50 GB worth of data you could otherwise get for almost free, and which is almost free for them to provide. Is the movie industry just incapable of coming up with a business plan that doesn't involve ripping people off?

    9. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe so, but he could at least have ended his message with, "P.S. Frost Pist!!"

    10. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But his post is shipping with Star Trek too.

    11. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by bendytendril · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      C'mon mods that was funny.

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    12. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is the movie industry just incapable of coming up with a business plan that doesn't involve ripping people off?

      Is water wet?

    13. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by mobets · · Score: 1

      I don't think the article specified, but with the included content, I assumed an external (Seagate 500GB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive) for $69.99 with free shipping.

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    14. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. And I wanted to tag this story "awesome". The only question I had was, what filesystem?

      Thanks for reading TFA!

    15. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      Newegg has various Seagate 500GB drives priced between $55 and $160. And I can buy the DVD from amazon.com for $17. Or less ($12) if I go with their individual sellers.

      What's the point, again? Oh, there's this:

      Both companies declined to say if they were taking a loss on the promotional price. Both could be using the offer as a way to lure buyers for other related products they're selling.

      Paramount, a unit of Viacom Inc., is selling its other movie titles, while Seagate Technology is selling a device that enables movies stored on hard drives to be played on television sets for $130.

      Oh, they're trying to promote the idea of playing movies off a hard drive. Brilliant! Count me in! [/sarcasm]

    16. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

      Of course you realize that means it's price is about par for retail.

    17. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well It is probably an external drive but over all it is just dumb.
      I can get a 500GB external for less than $100. DRM is makes it a none starter for me. And I have NetFlix so I just put them on my list.
      Just seems like the king of bad idea. What I worry about now is are the Movie companies going to infect External drives with anti piracy crap?
      "I am sorry but it looks like you are ripping your DVDs I can not let you store these illegal files. Just pay for a digital copy to go along with that DVD like a good boy and all will be forgiven."

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    18. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People complain about DVD prices, about movie prices, about whatever the studios do that isn't "give away their stuff for free." And those same people (on slashdot and elsewhere) say "You need to find a new approach." So this looks like an effort by the studio to say "See, we're trying a new approach."

      However, as you've pointed out, we all recognize this is simply a different approach to packaging and marketing, rather than trying to change the economic model. And this particular attempt is almost sleazy in that the movies are advertised but aren't coming with the rights to watch them.

      But here's the deal: high quality movies still cost a truckload of money to make. And they're all a gamble: you can spend $200 million on a movie that flops at the box office, or you could spend that same $200 million and get an epic blockbuster; until the movie hits the screens you really don't know.

      I don't expect them to ever give them away for free, and I don't think anyone should ever expect that. They'll simply stop investing money in big movies if there's no chance of payback. Then all we'll get are the low-budget films. (Not that they all suck, but they certainly mostly suck.) I suppose the plus side is that they'll stop giving Michael Bay to make fake-looking CGI explosions.

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    19. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by markov_chain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This diagram sums it up well.

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    20. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Lachlan+Hunt · · Score: 1

      It's not an entirely bad idea. The major drawback of the plan is that the films are infected with DRM, making them useless on any platform but Windows, and dependant upon the reliability of DRM activation servers. From past experience with several major vendors, these are not very reliable at all. They'll be shut down in a few years, causing customers to lose access to their films, forcing them to buy again.

      I would consider buying the drive if it met the following conditions:

      1. DRM free. I refuse to buy any films that are infected with DRM, except DVDs, of which I own a large collection and already ripped to my hard drive.
      2. If the other included films, besides Star Trek which I've already got, were any good.
      3. If the cost of the drive + films were being offered for a competitive price, better than what I could get buy getting them individually elsewhere.

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    21. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by iplayfast · · Score: 1

      This is similar to a glad garbage bag promotion, where there is a code inside the box which allows you to download the movie.

      So I took a chance, and went to the site. You have to enter your name and email as well as the code. (Huh? I thought it was a free promotion?).

      So I took a chance, and entered my email etc. You can download for windows or Mac. Tried downloading with Linux, but the file was corrupted or something...

      So I took a chance and got out the old computer. Redownloaded it, and tried to copy it to the usb drive, so I could watch it on the ps3.
      It was corrupted or something, the ps3 couldn't understand it.

      So I tried watching it on the windows box. It needed to download an active-x component. So I took a chance and downloaded the active-x componenet. Suddenly the movie worked.

      So I now had a movie that I could watch on my dusty old computer, that is deeply buried in my office, instead of on the large tv screen, using the PS3 (which does everything except run Linux, and play movies from the glad garbage company, and plenty of other things).

      Too bad the movie I had downloaded was for my wife and daughter, a real chickflick tear jerk love romance boring movie that would really fit the ambiance of my tiny office. (NOT)

      To say it bluntly, I'm tired of being ripped off by companies that for some reason figure that I owe them my private information as well as restricting what hardware and software I can use.

      so I took

    22. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Then you need to find some better retail channels to shop at. It's not clear from TFA whether this is supposed to be an internal or and external drive, but I'm assuming external. Even Best Buy has cheaper 500 GB external drives.

    23. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      The new approach is charging more than the DVD price? Then to add insult to injury charging an insane markup on a harddrive?

      Low budget films are 90% crap, which is the same ratio as high budget films.

    24. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 0, Redundant

      What the hell are you talking about? The movies are DRM'ed and locked until you register with Seagate and pay for the privilege of watching them (except Star Trek - that one's free - after you register). RTFA.

    25. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by HikingStick · · Score: 4, Funny

      That $140 figure was probably the price when someone thought up the promotion. By the time it got through all of their bureaucratic muckity-muck, they're putting an overpriced device on the market.

      That's almost as bad as our local Wal-Mart. They have a Battlefield 2142 gaming mouse in their clearance section. It has been on clearance there for over two years (and was likely on the shelves for two years prior to that point), and they still have the price at around $69. Retailers (and, apparantly, movie studies) have a mistaken notion that tech gear holds its value over time.

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    26. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this particular attempt is almost sleazy in that the movies are advertised but aren't coming with the rights to watch them.

      (Emphasis mine)

      You think that's only almost sleazy...? What does it take to make it sleazy to you...? It being delivered entirely without the movies? (Which is really what is happening here if you think about it.)

    27. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define "wet"

    28. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Although TFA didn't state this, a bit of investigation reveals that the drive is external. Still, $140 for an external 500 GB drive is still a rip-off.

      Interestingly, Seagate's own site seems to not actually list what movies are included.

    29. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, it's this drive Seagate FreeAgent Go which is $100 on NewEgg. But, oohhh...it comes in pretty colors!

    30. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this timeline it may never have Data, after they way they fucked things up who knows if a positronic brain will ever be invented.

    31. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      high quality movies still cost a truckload of money to make.

      That's the whole fucking problem.

      Good movies don't have to cost that. The problem is that nobody watches them, most people want to see the most expensive brain-dead CGI fest that can be made.

      The Ice Storm is a very good movie. It had a budget of $18 million. Critics at Rotten Tomatoes give it 75%+. Yet it failed, because people prefer to watch overpriced shit.

    32. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh. Yeah, and I’d already tagged it “Interesting”. I wish there was a way to take back a tag... (deleting the tag doesn’t seem to remove it from my tagging history).

      I made up for it by tagging it “rtfa”, “drm”, and “ripoff”.

    33. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Alinabi · · Score: 1

      They'll simply stop investing money in big movies if there's no chance of payback.

      That is fine with me. Bring back the small movies. Where can I sign up to hasten that process?

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    34. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha Ha only Data wasn't in the movie

    35. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Oh, they're trying to promote the idea of playing movies off a hard drive. Brilliant! Count me in! [/sarcasm]

      Why the sarcasm? I've been doing it for years!

    36. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Not unlike what happened to me with a free download of an Amazon video on demand. After numerous attempts that I could never get to work, I gave up and torrented the movie.

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    37. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by 00Sovereign · · Score: 1

      Another example: my local Wal-Mart has had a boxed copy of the now defunct "Tabula Rasa" MMO on clearance for $29 since Christmas 2008. It's still sitting there, collecting dust.

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    38. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      They wanted more money for the privilege of obtaining a DRM'ed copy of the movie I already paid for.

      No, they just wanted to make sure that you were over 18.

      Oops. Wrong website. Sorry.

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    39. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Besides, I'm sure almost everyone at slashdot (at least those who don't hate star trek) already has a copy. And what about Linux and other OS users?

    40. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoosh!

      Rip-off vs rip onto.

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    41. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The end times are here!!

    42. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      "That's cool, I can put it on my laptop and watch it on my next trip."

      You can do that anyway. Plenty of free tools exist for *n*x, Win & Apple.

    43. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is similar to a glad garbage bag promotion

      What are you bitching about? The movie was free after all. The box probably even mentioned that it required windows media player. The fact that you choose to run a fringe OS is your problem. It's like whining about getting free gas when all your cars run on diesel.

    44. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Mod up! I rip DVDs, (my DVDs, that I have paid my money for), for exactly that reason.

    45. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by stephencrane · · Score: 1

      That depends on what your definition of 'is' is.

    46. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget:

      It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy.

      is completely ridiculous as it's been well proven that DVD sales are not falling due to piracy.

    47. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by DelShalDar · · Score: 1

      In this case, it's more along the lines of "They're trying to charge me how much for a movie I can get at a lower cost if I were to go out and buy the thing off a retail shelf? how is this a good deal?" instead of "They should give away their stuff for free."

      high quality movies still cost a truckload of money to make

      The truck-load of money they spent on making the movie has (and this is the important part) already been spent on this gamble and their distribution rights guarantee that they are the only ones legally generating an income on the content, regardless of the medium or method of distribution. If they charged their customers $30 for a brand new blu-ray disc, they only get a fraction of that price as profit. If they charged $5 for unhindered/unencumbered (AKA: DRM-free) access to the digital content, they generate pure income and only have the bandwidth allocation costs for their file servers as overhead. Do that for every movie under their distributive control and they suddenly run on a pure-content system where they don't have to worry about the majority of the costs of physical media purchase/production/shipping/etc. and can concentrate on the thing they produce that actually makes them money, instead of the things that cost them more than the initial movie production combined.

      Heck, if they set up a restricted-access BitTorrent tracker (possibly with a proprietary client) with user accounts, then they could also significantly decrease their digital distribution costs. This is just a quick idea that took all of twenty seconds thought, but has the potential to generate a mind-bogglingly huge amount of income if implemented correctly. Add some method for retail stores to special-order that content on a specified medium and you could potentially create a whole new industry (selling digital stuff on a physical medium and direct-shipping it to a customer). You want the latest and greatest blockbuster on a DVD (with applicable quality degradation)? Sure, no problem, that'll be $15 ($5 for the content, the rest for in-house costs) each plus shipping, with no additional shipping costs up to x units and an overall discount on orders of y units per run.

      Movie (and music) prices have often been criticized as being too high, and I think the industry (and their economists) should really stop looking at the cost/supply/demand curves of "intellectual goods" in terms of straight lines (as was taught in my Economics courses in college) and looking at them in terms of the Laffer curve: set the prices too high and you generate less income (fewer customers will buy it), but set it too low and the income generated from the increased sales aren't really what they could be. We're now in a state where the value of digital/intellectual goods is only as strong as the value of money -- both have only subjective value and that value can fluctuate wildly based solely on the desires of those who create it.

    48. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Locklin · · Score: 1

      Beautiful, you can legally use a piece of free software on your computer to create a portable, digital copy from the DVD, or pay more, tie up your internet connection for a while, jump through several annoying hoops and get a crappy DRM copy?? Talk about a tax on the ignorant.

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    49. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is water wet?

      Not when it's in the solid state....

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    50. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Define "wet"

      A female state that most /.'ers will never experience first hand ;)

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    51. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      This diagram sums it up well.

      This is one reason I really like the Netflix Instant watch. 10-15 seconds after I hit 'play' (depending on download speeds), I'm watching the movie.

    52. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Xeleema · · Score: 1

      What? Wow. I just picked up a Seagate FreeAgent Go 640GB drive for $80 at Office Depot last week. They were even giving away network-enabled docking stations for ONE DOLLAR. I picked up an extra drive and three of those docks. Best NAS I ever bought.

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    53. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      But everyone knows that is only on the website. Once you go into the store, they use an intranet and tell the customer that the drive isn't listed, so it must not be on sale anymore, then sells them a more expensive one. At least that was the story in the class action suit against Best Buy.

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    54. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Locklin · · Score: 1

      That is fine with me. Bring back the small movies. Where can I sign up to hasten that process?

      They are still being made, you just won't find them in the same places as the big Hollywood factory movies.

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    55. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Miseph · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sorry champ, that wasn't a whoosh.. it was just a crap joke.

      Better luck next time.

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    56. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy a brand new 1TB external (USB2 & eSATA) hard drive for about $70 USD. So this 500GB is not just a rip-off, it's REALLY a rip-off.

    57. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by c++0xFF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry. The sarcasm wasn't pointed at the concept of playing movies on a hard drive, but at the promotion itself.

      Let's take the hard drive out of the picture. It's like selling rewritable DVDs with "free" movies on them and then requiring a code to be purchased as well. Oh, and there's nothing free or lower-priced about it.

      Yeah, that's a great way of promoting your products!

    58. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American political debate in C: while (1) { printf("Left wing talking point\nRight wing talking point\n"); }

      In the rest of the world, sure. In America, try:

      while (1) { printf("Right wing talking point\nRight wing talking point\n"); }

      When was the last time any left wing position was ever put forth by a major politician or pundit except to argue how "unserious" the position is? Oh wait, I remember: When Obama was trying to win the election. And, alas, not since.

    59. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really so tough to spell out "you?" I expect better than that here.

    60. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fallen? You must be very young if you think that pre-Maxtor Seagate wasn't crap. Stiction? Yeah, Seagate invented that back in the 80s.

      For all of the shit that people talk about Maxtor, I've found their drives to be some of the most reliable on the market. I've had Maxtors last for 10 years and I've never seen one "just die". They always give off warning signs that allow ample time to backup the data on them. I have had 3 Seagates (pre-Maxtor) "just die" for no apparent reason and 2 others develop the infamous stiction problem where I had to start-up those drives by manually flicking them.

    61. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      The Ice Storm is a very good movie.

      Strange: I found it a mind-numbingly boring examination of evolution in action. And I normally like Ang Lee movies.

      The real reason why Hollywood movies 'cost a truckload of money to make' is that they pay $200,000,000 to Big Star Of The Moment(tm) for six weeks' work. And they pay that because they know they have a government-granted monopoly allowing them to rake in money as a result of having BSotM's name on the poster.

      If Hollywood movies starting making half as much money, then the 'stars' would no longer be worth as much and the cost of those movies would drop dramatically along with their salaries.

    62. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by ender- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I never had that problem with Best Buy. As a matter of fact, I've even gotten them to price-match an item from another online-only store. It was easy.
      1. Print out page showing online price [Crutchfield in this case, $179 free shipping, for a Logitech Harmony One]
      2. Bring print out to local Best Buy - regular price $250 but on sale that day for $225 - plus tax of course]
      3. Nicely speak with the sales rep. Mention that you know they don't *HAVE* to match the price from a non-local online ad, but that you would appreciate it if they would do so anyway. Maybe make some mention of what great customer service that would be, and that while it'd be nice to be able to pick it up today, for that kind of price difference you'd be willing to wait to have it shipped].
      4. They may offer a lower price, but not fully matched to your offer.
      5. Mention [still politely] that you're already going to have to spend like $15 more on tax by choosing to purchase it locally.
      6. Purchase your nicely price-matched item. :)

      I'll admit, I did have one minor extra advantage. When I walked up to the sales guy he was discussing the same remote with another potential customer, who asked that he put it on hold while they looked at other items and thought about getting it. I added to the sales guy that if he would price match the online price, I would be nice and not mention to the other customer that he could purchase the exact same remote for $46 less. :)

      The point is, act polite. Understand their point of view. Be willing to walk away but not huffy or angry about it. Most of the time, you'll get the price you want.

    63. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Well, if that's what passes for humor where you're from...

    64. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Uncle+Rummy · · Score: 1

      Good movies don't have to cost that. The problem is that nobody watches them, most people want to see the most expensive brain-dead CGI fest that can be made.

      The Ice Storm is a very good movie. It had a budget of $18 million. Critics at Rotten Tomatoes give it 75%+. Yet it failed, because people prefer to watch overpriced shit.

      People also want to see movies starring A-list celebrities, and made by/with expensive directors, producers, scripts and scores.

      Take your $18 million movie and add in two stars, correspondingly high-end producer and director, a script based on a popular franchise and a world-class score, perhaps with an original song by a top pop star, and you're well over $100 million, even if you cut everything else to the bone. Add in the CGI fest and you're easily over $200M.

    65. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there's some consumer protection laws that states if you buy something legally you have a right to enjoy it. Because right now you're buying a digital copy of something that is encrypted but you're not receiving the license that is required to watch it.

      Ha!

      When I buy a DVD I'm receiving a digital copy, and the license to watch it, but because there are no players on Linux which themselves have license to decrypt, I'm still breaking the law when I watch DVDs on my computer.

      So if you get a copy but with the caveat that they don't want you to watch it unless you pay for the privilege, don't expect the law to help you.

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    66. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by icebraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd bet "good" stars are happy to take less to play in good movies.

      See Jim Carrey in The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004), another $20 million movie. He made that movie just a year after charging a salary of $25 million for Bruce Almighty.

      Make good movies that real actors can be proud of being in, and they'll settle for way less.

    67. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't you think that you could maybe put the dvd into the optical dvd drive on your laptop and maybe watch it that way? I mean, theoretically it's entirely possible.

    68. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

      Almost every online community is crumbling at about the same rate as real life communities.

      Slashdot is no exception.

    69. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      The fact that you never heard anything doesn't mean much. Go google "class action lawsuit best buy" and filter through the 65 million hits. Its pretty easy to find. There have been countless lawsuits against them for being dishonest in their business practices. Don't take my word for it, it is amazingly easy to verify this.

      Many of us old timers wouldn't buy from them if they were selling 1 TB drives for a nickel each.

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    70. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by ender- · · Score: 1

      I didn't say I'd never heard of it. I said I never *had* that problem. Try reading it again, thanks.

    71. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Beautiful, you can legally use a piece of free software on your computer to create a portable, digital copy from the DVD, or pay more, tie up your internet connection for a while, jump through several annoying hoops and get a crappy DRM copy?? Talk about a tax on the ignorant.

      *cough* Really, circumventing CSS encryption is legal? Could you point us to a case that has decided this?

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    72. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      Yet another example is my local radio shack selling MDK2 for 39.99

      A computer game that's nearly 10 years old still selling for retail price, how sad.

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    73. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      One Maxtor drive I have developed a lot of bad sectors, but all Seagate drive I have are without problems. Including one drive made in ~1992, but that most likely was made by Imprimis before it was bought by Seagate (the drive has a sticker that says Seagate ST41200N, but identifies itself as Imprimis 94601-15 to the controller).

    74. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably runs hot as well.....

    75. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Seagates are actually THE most reliable brand. They're all I buy now (Have around 15 of them in active use) and never had one fail. I've had at least one drive from every other brand fail, and I haven't even had as many of them.

    76. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Has the DMCA been proven in court? Has anyone been punished for circumventing CSS?

    77. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by billcopc · · Score: 1

      If we ever do invent a positronic brain, I fear its first thought will be to destroy humankind for being such idiots.

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    78. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by billcopc · · Score: 1

      You're right, big blockbusters cost a ton of money to make. Do they need to ? Where does the money go ? Is it really that expensive to put Robert Downey Jr. in a big dorky metal suit and draw laser beams shooting from every appendage ? Does a 200 million dollar movie entertain more people to a higher level of satisfaction than a 2 million dollar movie ?

      I get more painful laughs out of cheaply-made South Park and Family Guy episodes than the average Hollywood comedy.

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    79. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Sxooter · · Score: 1

      I run a small server farm that takes up all but about 2U of a full sized rack. In this rack we have lots of different drives. They're all rated for use in servers etc against vibration, for all the good that does. Here's the failure rate over time for most of them

      32x Seagate 15K5 147G SAS drives 2 have failed in ~2 years
      4x Seagate 2.5" 73Gig 10krpm server drives 1 failure in ~3 years
      8x WD 7200rpm 2TB SATA drives (black models) 2 dead in ~1 year
      2x WD 7200rom 1TB SATA drives (black models) 0 dead in ~1 year

      8x Seagate 1TB SATA 5400 RPM drives. 2 failures in 6 months.
      10x Seagate 500G SATA 5400 RPM drives 4 failures in 6 months.

      Lots more different drives, but none have been as much problem as these shit-tastic 500G and 1TB Seagates of late. Those drives were trash and should have never left the factory.

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    80. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... About 6 or 7 of the drives I mentioned in my previous post (I undercounted my total) are a mix of Seagate 750GB and Seagate 1TB, and I think maybe one 500GB. They're all the 7200 RPM consumer versions though (even though I run them 24/7), not the server versions (I think mostly 7200.10, but I might be wrong). I wonder if maybe you got a bad batch? Or maybe the 5400 RPM version is somehow less reliable. I know I've been wary of trying any models other than the one I know works for my new drives (the Seagate 1.5TB 7200 RPM, which interestingly enough a lot of people have lots of problems with, but I keep buying more of that one -- 11 total now, paying more than the newer low power 5900 RPM one, and still haven't had problems). I do recognize that different people seem to have luck with different brands. I refuse to buy Western Digital because every single WD drive (5 or more) that I've ever had has died an early death, yet other people have had it be their most reliable brand. Perhaps it's some sort of genetic attraction between person and drive brand :-P

    81. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Dutchy+Wutchy · · Score: 1

      I think you have found a bodega.

    82. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by sjames · · Score: 1

      By the time a movie has reached the point that they'll put it on a HD, it's reached one of two points. It's either a proven turkey and they'll be lucky to recover the cost, or it's a hit and it already paid for itself.

      Nobody expects them to actually give them away for free. My thought was that in exchange for saving 100% of the packaging and transport costs, they'll sell me a decent drive for the price of a drive plus a couple DVDs. In return, they'll include at least 1 good movie and 19 probably lesser movies. (Perhaps another good movie and 18 summer fillers). Not too bad. The pricing actually made some sense. I was all set to congratulate them for finally "getting it". It wasn't free, but I never expected that.

      But NO! They have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again. DRM out the wazoo, registration (and, no doubt selling said registration info to the highest bidder) just to see the feature movie and fees equal to the cost of an actual DVD+ packaging to see the rest. By the time you pay for all of those, you could probably get a better and larger HD, all of the movies on disk, and have a bit left over. Some bargain!

      So I'm complaining that they have done the opposite of what they need to do and are trying to confuse me into believing it's a bargain.

      You should also note that much of that $200 million is due to Hollywood accounting. It only costs that because they willingly pay extremely inflated prices to subsidiaries owned at arms length so they can make it disappear down the rabbit hole rather than paying a percentage out as contracted. I suppose it's little surprise their offer of a "bargain" to the consumer is also chock full of Hollywood accounting.

      Always keep your hand on your wallet and your eye on your watch when you deal with those thieves.

    83. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      From the bulk buys I've seen, drives tend to fail in large numbers from the same batch.

      Prior to SATA, I've never actually had a Seagate drive fail. I have Seagate drives that ran 24/7 for 5-6 years that were fine when they were retired.

      Not so much experience with the newer consumer models, though there was the 7200.(10|11)? model that had serious, serious problems across the entire line.

    84. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      no, i found a pile of con-artists posing as radioshack employees....

      goddamn extortionists

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    85. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, riiiight.

    86. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

      I got some 1.5TB drives for $99 shipped around Feb. This isn't a very good "deal". :/ It'd be decent if 20 movies were included in the $100 price, though.

    87. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Oops... they accidentally gave you a sucker code.

      Try this one: https://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4662902/Gran.Torino.2008.DvDRip-FxM.4662902.TPB.torrent

      This one's cool; you can put it on your laptop and watch it on your next trip.

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    88. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by dangitman · · Score: 1

      The other movies distributed by Paramount, including "GI Joe," ''Nacho Libre" and "Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius"

      Holy fuck, couldn't they have just shipped the drive pre-loaded with herpes instead? It would have the same effect, with less effort.

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    89. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 0

      Try reading yourself..
      He said he was an "old timer" give the guy a break.
      His bifocals are probably broken and he may have run out of his Alzheimer's meds might have run out. Plus you can tell by his signature hes a drinker.

    90. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > lest a consumer figures that they're paying 10% for the movies and 90% for the drive

      Wait, the whole thing is $100, right? How can only 10% be for the movies? Where are you getting these hard drives that cost ninety bucks a pop? Where I come from, they're more like sixty. I'd have figured Paramount was trying to value their lame movie collection at 40% of the price, which it's not worth, and I'd buy a different hard drive and tell them where to stick their movies. We already have all the Star Trek movies we care about (everything up through Nemesis; reboots categorically don't interest me, as I consider them non-canon) on VHS.

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    91. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Actually, I hate to break it to you, but Data dies in the last Star Trek movie. Gets blown up with the Reman warbird. He'd transferred his memories to B4 before it happened, though, so theoretically something of him can be salvaged.

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    92. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Funny

      A female state that most /.'ers will never experience first hand ;)

      Well, you know what they say: "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush".

    93. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by BillX · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I don't think 'fraud' was the economic model the OP wanted them to embrace.

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    94. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually the one that I have 11 drives out of :) (and keep buying because hey, it works for me). (I'm the Anon Coward above)

    95. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by Stregano · · Score: 1

      $10 for GI Joe?!?

      That movie blew so hardcore that I have nightmares of getting tricked to see that movie again.

      I am unsure why they had to mention that one as being one of the ones on there.

      I would have been more excited if they mentioned Jackass Vol. 2 than GI Joe. Hell, I would have been more excited if they said Save the Last Dance above GI Joe

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    96. Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title by log0n · · Score: 1

      Netflix and it's OnDemand streaming service. There's A LOT of good indy and foreign cinema available on it. Yeah, there's a decent amount of crap as well, but Netflix's suggestion algos are pretty good - give a little bit of time and it'll recommend 4 and 5 star stuff for you.

      The only caveat, you have to like good movies to recognize a good indy movie...

  2. Fixed that for ya. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to netflix and other cheaper content avenues."

    1. Re:Fixed that for ya. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy" citation needed

    2. Re:Fixed that for ya. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...that's exactly what I was thinking.

      I have a copy of GI Joe right here sitting on the printer that I haven't bothered with yet because I have been too busy streaming stuff on the Wii.

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    3. Re:Fixed that for ya. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I've got 146 movies in my Watch It Now queue. It'll be a *long* time till I use my 3 out at a time discs (although the wife uses them most of the time).

    4. Re:Fixed that for ya. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds closer to the truth. I have a hundred or so DVDs, but I've hardly bought any since I subscribed to a DVD rental service. I get 2-4 DVDs in the post every week to watch for about the same price as buying one DVD a month. There are very few DVDs that I've watched more than a couple of times, and I'd almost always watch something new than re-watch an old DVD, so buying doesn't make economic sense. Per viewing, it costs more than renting for all except the most exceptional films.

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    5. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to go with "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to a glut of crap movies nobody wants to see being released in the past fifteen years or so."

    6. Re:Fixed that for ya. by plover · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a copy of GI Joe "on the printer"?

      You're doing it wrong.

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    7. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      " It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to netflix and other cheaper content avenues."

      I'm pretty annoyed with Netflix for cutting deals with a few studios to delay new releases. They got some sort of concession on pricing and in exchange agreed not to put up new releases right away. Rather than pay full price for the DVDs and make them available right away they opted to go along with Hollywood's protectionism of a dying business model.

      Seems rather stupid to me. How many people actually buy a movie because they can't find it for rental? Somebody who liked the movie is going to buy it regardless of it being available on Netflix. Somebody who didn't like it that much or whom just doesn't see the point in owning many movies (I'm in this category, how many times are you going to watch the same movie?) wouldn't buy it regardless of rental availability.

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    8. Re:Fixed that for ya. by jmauro · · Score: 2

      It's actually the movie studios forcing this and not Netflix. Netflix and RedBox signed the "deal" because they were pretty much forced to or have no access to movies sold on the bulk market.

    9. Re:Fixed that for ya. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I agree Netflix should've had more of a backbone, but in return they get the right to move more content to their streaming service (always a nice thing). My thoughts are, "So what if I can't watch it in the first 30 days? It's in my saved queue and will get dumped into my normal queue at some point." I'd argue things will be business as usual instead of folks running out to buy DVDs during the embargo window (or they'll just pirate them).

    10. Re:Fixed that for ya. by fermion · · Score: 2
      Also, for Star Trek, lack of sales due to pricing content for the rental rather than consumer market. Voyager, a not popular title by most measure, is $250-300. Alias, a much more popular series by the person who did the new star trek, can occasionally be had for around $100. Now that is 5 season instead of 7, but it is still a difference between $20 a season and $35 a season. For old shows, and shows that want to be sold, $1 or so an episode is the price. For older show like the original Star Trek, the market is hovering around 50 cents an episode. ST:TOS is around $200.

      Even Farscape eventually got sold and came down in price to something mortals could afford. And you know what? I bought it. I admit I had rips or many episodes, but when I could get DVDs I did. I must say the price gouging, at least IMHO, turned my off the whole franchise.

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    11. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is perfectly legal to format shift media. Perhaps he just prefers the flip-book format his is video needs.

    12. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      wtf. I swear that "his is" was originally "for his" when I typed it.

    13. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Maybe he printed out each frame of the movie in ascii art and is going to compile a flip book. The audio will be more difficult, IMHO.

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    14. Re:Fixed that for ya. by houghi · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:Fixed that for ya. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Is your netflix queue so short that you notice a 28 day lag?
      I have over 200 films in the queue at any given time, and I use a vm XP to play streaming. If it keeps prices low I am fine with a 1 month delay. Even if I cared the redbox is not far away.

    16. Re:Fixed that for ya. by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      to me it looks like *** **

    17. Re:Fixed that for ya. by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      "so buying doesn't make economic sense."

      and THAT is the crux of the matter.

    18. Re:Fixed that for ya. by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Jepp I agree here, it is less that DVD sales fall due to piracy but due to not having any interest anymore.
      At least this is my personal experience, I dont pirate movies, but I do not really want to shell out the money, it is either rental or watch it on TV (via recording)
      But I guess that comes with age, there is less and less material worth watching for me, and my private life is more and more interesting due to having a family and a son to raise!
      I used to buy 2-3 DVDs a month when I was around 30, not it is one per year, and given the RIAA and MPAA attitude I dont regret not buying anything.
      Btw. the last CD I bought was 5 years ago, I decided to stop it, when the RIAA start mass suing people!
      I am probably not the only one!

    19. Re:Fixed that for ya. by noc007 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention the state of the economy.

      I'm not making as much as I use to, so money is tighter and I'm thankful to just have a damn job. We've budgeted to have a NetFlix subscription and go out to a movie once every three months. That budget is considered luxurious by some people I know.

      Quoting piracy as a reason for dwindling sales is a cop-out IMHO. Anti-Piracy groups need to focus on the people selling pirated DVDs as legitimate ones; they're really taking traceable sales away. Is it possible to download a pirated copy of a movie for free? Yes. Will it always be in high quality, not require you to go find some new or obscure codec,and can be had in a matter of minutes? Hell no. My time is worth something and all that dicking around just isn't worth it for me and I may not even end up with what I was downloading not to mention the legal ramifications and possibilities of a fun lawsuit.

      NetFlix is a good deal for me. I have the patience to wait for the disc in the mail and Watch Now (on demand) is great. It's a little annoying that they're cutting deals with the studios to hold off for 28 days, more so for the wife than me, but it means more content that can be streamed to the TV and not take up a slot in the mail queue.

      MOVIE STUDIOS, I have some advice for you:
      1. Stop making a lot of crappy movies just to see if they'll stick to the wall.
      2. Make better movies and it doesn't always require $100+ million budget.
      3. Understand that your low sales isn't a 100% result of piracy.
      4. Understand that spending a lot of money on a movie doesn't mean it's going to net a lot of profit.
      5. Appreciate that piracy in the US isn't as bad as it is in other countries.
      6. Invest most of your anti-piracy efforts in the groups that are mass producing pirated DVDs for profit. They're taking significant profit away from you.
      7. It's fine to educate people within reason that pirating is illegal.
      8. Stop with all the DRM and DMCA. All it does is hurt your legitimately purchasing consumer and can potentially cost you money in the long run with refunds when shit doesn't work right or the authorizing servers go offline (e.g. Yahoo music).
      9. Understand that fair use isn't costing you much money. I have the right to make a copy for my personal use and I'm going to do that so the original doesn't get damaged. If it did get damaged and I didn't have a copy of it, that doesn't mean I'm going to go and buy a new one. I'm not going to dick around with re-encoding it so it fits on a single-layer (dual-layer is too much and you might as well go legit for the cost) that I'm going to give to my friend, plus he can go out and pirate it himself or go down the street and rent it from RedBox for $1.
      10. Understand that if people don't have a lot of disposable income, they aren't going to spend money on your product that they don't need to live. If you have a problem with that, either do something positive to get the economy rolling so people have disposable income to trade with you or change your business to something that involves basic needs like food, clothing, and/or shelter.

    20. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Is your netflix queue so short that you notice a 28 day lag?

      Not really. I mostly use my Netflix account for TV shows anyway. I've gone through Magnum PI, the Wire, Band of Brothers, Rome, Boston Legal, and the Sopranos. I'm not a big movie buff but occasionally one will come out that I want to see right away (recently it was Star Trek). In those instances I'll bump it to the top of my queue.

      Even if I cared the redbox is not far away.

      Redbox cut a similar deal as I recall.

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    21. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      It'll suck for some titles, but it won't make any real difference for the popular titles--it takes about a month for demand to die down enough to actually get a popular new release in my experiences. Not that it matters much to me--I've got plenty of other stuff in my queue.

    22. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      11. Smack J. J. Abrams upside the head one time for each lens flare in the new Star Trek film.

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    23. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Toze · · Score: 4, Informative

      2 and 4: studios constantly post net losses from films. They do this by spreading the profit to other companies, owned by the same people. They do this in order to screw people whose contracts guarantee a perfect of net profits; the creators of the IP they're exploiting and then aggressively defending. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

      from the link;
      The guy who wrote Forrest Gump got $0.
      The guy who wrote The Last Unicorn $0.
      B5, despite the series pulling in >$1B, is supposed to be $80M in debt, screwing Stracynski out of a lot of money.

      Studios are not losing money. They are swimming in it. Their hilarious accounting allows them to claim that they're losing money, and being able to blame pirates (and so turn the Government of Canada into their bag man) is just gravy.

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    24. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Zordak · · Score: 1

      It is perfectly legal to format shift media. Perhaps he just prefers the flip-book format his is video needs.

      He's just heard people talking about how actual paper reduces eye strain. And he can watch it on the airplane without worrying about battery life.

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    25. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      And it requires no electricity to display and is organic. That means its green and good for the environment... right?

    26. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      10. Understand that if people don't have a lot of disposable income, they aren't going to spend money on your product that they don't need to live. ... do something positive to get the economy rolling so people have disposable income to trade with you ...

      Or at least don't be so stupid as to make nothing but movies that brainwash the viewers into supporting your political buddies who then impoverish them thoroughly they can't afford your product and take to pirating it to watch it at all.

      Hint: Part of that brainwashing is losing the respect for other people's property rights. If they don't believe in rights to physical property, how can you expect to convince them to respect your claim of rights to intangible "intellectual property"?

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    27. Re:Fixed that for ya. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      And you don't even have to stop using it during liftoff and landing.

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    28. Re:Fixed that for ya. by wed128 · · Score: 1

      we know what ascii art is. we know what flip books are. those wikipedia links are annoying.

    29. Re:Fixed that for ya. by subsonic · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat as you. Netflix before streaming was pretty good, and now with streaming, I have only bought one DVD in the past month. All my old DVDs are just collecting dust and taking up space. I'm now looking to pare down my collection size to the "essentials". Sure, you don't get any extras when you watch streaming movies, but then youtube and wikipedia make up for lots of lost content (even without the bootlegged stuff.)

      At first this article sounded promising like, "wow, maybe they get it. 20 movies just ready to play on a decent HDD is a progressive and novel idea." And then the "$10-15 to buy the license to play" crap and its not even worth it anymore. You could buy the movie used (from one of the many closing Blockbusters, haha) buy any HDD you please and still come out ahead. I hate the entertainment industry so much for their ignorance.

    30. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 and 4: studios constantly post net losses from films. They do this by spreading the profit to other companies, owned by the same people. They do this in order to screw people whose contracts guarantee a perfect of net profits; the creators of the IP they're exploiting and then aggressively defending.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

      from the link;

      The guy who wrote Forrest Gump got $0.

      The guy who wrote The Last Unicorn $0.

      B5, despite the series pulling in >$1B, is supposed to be $80M in debt, screwing Stracynski out of a lot of money.

      Studios are not losing money. They are swimming in it. Their hilarious accounting allows them to claim that they're losing money, and being able to blame pirates (and so turn the Government of Canada into their bag man) is just gravy.

      For a specific example of this, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchwald_v._Paramount

    31. Re:Fixed that for ya. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      so buying doesn't make economic sense. Per viewing, it costs more than renting for all except the most exceptional films.

      My overall (2001-present) NetFlix average is $1.15 per movie, not counting WatchInstantly. Add those in, and its probably $0.85/movie or so.
      Way cheaper than buying.

    32. Re:Fixed that for ya. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I get 2-4 DVDs in the post every week to watch for about the same price as buying one DVD a month.

      Don't you realize that you are hurting Hollywood, the birthplace of our nation, and KILLING HUMAN CREATIVITY with your immoral renting? Every decent, moral person knows that renting is for hookers and illegal immigrants, not movies.

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    33. Re:Fixed that for ya. by Dragoniz3r · · Score: 1

      I thought shovels were for hookers?

    34. Re:Fixed that for ya. by nemesisrocks · · Score: 1

      I hope you smacked J. J. Abrams around with a solid bar of Unobtainium.

    35. Re:Fixed that for ya. by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      Personally I have fewer issues with pirated media because I don't have to deal with their latest half-baked DRM measure, and since I use mplayer I don't have to worry about downloading codecs.

      It's gotten to the point where I feel like I need to do a lot of research before I can safely buy a movie/game because I need to be sure the DRM won't trash my hard drive, I'll still be able to play it in 10 years, it will actually play on my computer (IE, not harassing me over daemon, etc).

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  3. Added bonus by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They also come loaded with a DRM system that will probably function like a virus or some form of malware to not only make it impossible to watch these movies without calling into the server, but also possibly scanning your system for other Paramount movies and either deleting them or reporting you to the MPAA. They could include 100 movies and it still wouldn't be worth it to have something like that lurking around on my system.

    Frankly, I would have more trust in a hard drive I bought from a sleazy-looking dude with a Russian accent hanging on my local street corner. And Sergey is not very trustworthy.

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    1. Re:Added bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the later expansion packs for The Sims 2 came with new & improved DRM provided by Sony.
      It rewrote anti-virus software and could only be removed by reformatting all disks and re-installing the OS.

      It really pissed off a lot of casual gamers. I think EA lost money over it too.

      So, it is not as funny as you thought.

    2. Re:Added bonus by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't joking. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if these drives come loaded with something similar to what Sony did with the Sims and their infamous rootkit CD's.

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    3. Re:Added bonus by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, it ["joke" about included malware] is not as funny as you thought.

      Actually I read it as straight (except for the flip line at the end) - and was just cruising to see if anybody had raised this point before raising it myself.

      Studios have a track record of shipping DRM that acts as malware. (Remember the one on the audio CDs that caused so much flap?)

      No way in the world I'm running any software that comes "included" on a hard disk - built into a movie or otherwise. And when I install a new disk on one of my machines the first thing that happens to it is a surface analysis - run from a linux live CD boot - to wipe out anything that might have been installed at the factory or in the market channel.

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  4. Ahoy there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plug it in, point vsftp at it - help yourselves, kids!

  5. Wait... I can see it already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An interesting sequel: Snakes... On a hard drive!

    Samuel Jackson: I've had it with those m***fscking snakes on this m****fscking hard drive!
    *typety type type* rm -rf /mnt/paramount/snakes_on_a_hard_drive.avi [enter]
    Samuel Jackson: There, done.

    1. Re:Wait... I can see it already! by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's vitally important that we recurse those sub, uh, avi files... *cough*

      You know, to get the snakes.

      --
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  6. Buying a license for the movies? by siwelwerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, can I buy one of these drives, reformat it, and then torrent these movies legally?

    1. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you were going to throw these on a torrent, I recommend trying this BEFORE you format the drive.

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    2. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      :) Good luck with that plan.

      And, if nothing else you're massively overspending for a 500gb drive...

    3. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      If you were going to throw these on a torrent, I recommend trying this BEFORE you format the drive.

      I meant download through a torrent of course :)

    4. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      It's my understanding that Canadians arguably do have the right he described. Having paid for a product, he can legally download a replacement because the original product is defective. (Yes, it's more nuanced than that -- it depends on how the product is marketed, if the box says you have to pay for the movies, etc) In that case, 100$ is somewhat a good deal. It comes to about $4.50/movie license, after discounting the price of a hard drive.

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    5. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      You'll probably have to anyway - if the drive is one of those Maxtorgates (craptastic Seagate drives made in the former Maxtor factory - the reason Maxtor went bankrupt) you'll be sending it back. Again. And again. And again. And don't think buying two to make a RAID1 is a good idea. I bought two. Both defective within 24 hours. RMAd them, bought 2 more from a different place, different batch - same story. 14 drives so far, out of those first 2. I've spent enough in shipping back returns to buy another drive.

      And $100 is expensive.

      But there's more:

      Seagate Technology is selling a device that enables movies stored on hard drives to be played on television sets for $130.

      I can buy an LG Blu-ray player that plays back movies stored on external hard drives and usb keys for a buck less. Seagate must be stocking up on K-Y jelly.

    6. Re:Buying a license for the movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were going to throw these on a torrent, I recommend trying this BEFORE you format the drive.

      I meant download through a torrent of course :)

      This is a hazard of carelessly verbing nouns. It really verbs up the semantics so that you don't know what anything verbs.

  7. Ummm by Kylere · · Score: 4, Informative

    "An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140" This is factually inaccurate, the only way I can see you spending that much on a 500 gig drive, especially the typically bad Seagate drives is to buy them at Best Buy. For that much cash Newegg was selling a 2TB drive yesterday.

    1. Re:Ummm by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't expect some Paramount idiot board member to shop anywhere other than a big box chain store, do you?

      Remember, the Internet is the enemy of these people, so why would they ever think to shop at someplace like Newegg.

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    2. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the crappy 500GB drives at Best Buy are $70. (Yeah, yeah, I had two crappy 500GB drives in my RAID-1 and one of them failed over a weekend.)

    3. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's a 2.5" drive, or something.

    4. Re:Ummm by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny

      Minor correction:

      Well, you don't expect some Paramount idiot board member to send his personal assistant to shop anywhere other than a big box chain store, do you?

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    5. Re:Ummm by camperdave · · Score: 1

      "An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140"

      Regular is $140, and with DRMmed movies it's only $100. So... DRMmed movies have a negative worth then?

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    6. Re:Ummm by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      True...

      And the ironic part is, they probably had the personal assistant look up the price online at BBs website, during the board meeting where they were discussing this stuff.

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    7. Re:Ummm by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Just looking at Bestbuy.com ... I found this ....

      Seagate - Expansion 1TB External USB 2.0 Desktop Hard Drive - Black $99.99

      So, you're wrong. While I don't like Bestbuy much, you don't have to lie / guess to make your point. Seagate/Maxtor is full of fecal matter.

      When Marketing Droids lie, just print the truth.

      THE only way I could imagine it costing $140 is if they included a MONSTER USB cable made from gold (or similar). But even that wouldn't do it ...

      Monster - Digital Pro USB Cable $24.99

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    8. Re:Ummm by VitrosChemistryAnaly · · Score: 1

      And the ironic part is, they probably had the personal assistant look up the price online at BBs website, during the board meeting where they were jerking each other off.

      There, fixed that for you.

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    9. Re:Ummm by mtmra70 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just bought a 1TB Western Digital Black Edition hard drive from Best Buy for $99. I don't what the MPAA is thinking....

  8. Meh by ak_hepcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can get a 1TB hard-drive for under a $100 at many locations (costco, google-shopping) so this seems like a big waste of money to me.

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    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150414%20131021336&name=1TB%20and%20higher

    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen them as low as a $80, and 2TB drives are even as low as a $140. Just my a 2c.

    3. Re:Meh by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      500GB Seagate External hard drive, via Google shopping

      http://www.google.com/products?q=500gb+external+hard+drive&scoring=p&cat=380&price1=25&brand=Seagate&show=dd

      skipping the internals that pop up for some reason, Externals start at $59. Nice.

    4. Re:Meh by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      1TB drive from NewEgg

      Netflix account

      AnyDVD

      I know that some of you will suggest that what I'm doing is wrong, but I don't think so. I don't see the difference between this and setting my DVR to record the movies off HBO or something and keeping the movie around indefinitely on the DVR. I've still recorded a copy I can watch multiple times. Now it I torrent that copy, that's a different argument.

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    5. Re:Meh by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I can get a 1TB hard-drive for under a $100 at many locations (costco, google-shopping) so this seems like a big waste of money to me.

      Press releases ALWAYS list the RETAIL PRICES of the product. Complaining that the real prices are lower than MSRP just makes you look like an idiot.

      Plain and simple, the retail price of this drive is less than the retail price of an otherwise identical drive. So, after it's been around a while, it will similarly drop to LOWER than current 500GB Seagate drives.

      As far as I'm concerned, they can put all the DRMed content on my hard drive that they want... Idiots get to subsidize my hard drive, and I just wipe it immediately, anyhow. Three cheers for another idiot tax.

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  9. They also sell an HD with the Matrix Trilogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At 15% less than the price of a blank hard drive.

  10. President of Seagate talked about this years ago by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He was suggesting preloading content as a way to struggle against commoditization and to do something with today's enormous capacities. I don't think he mentioned saving bandwidth as a reason, but never underestimate the bandwidth of a 2TB drive on a UPS truck.

    I don't have a citation for you, but I think it was a Forbes article.

  11. Due to piracy? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well stop shipping your cargo through the waters off the coast of Somalia!

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    1. Re:Due to piracy? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Forcing Somali pirates to watch Nacho Libre or GI Joe will finally make the seas safe for everyone, unless that is already against international conventions against torture.

    2. Re:Due to piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else do you (affordably) get a hard drive from Asia to Europe?

  12. Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! by Ynsats · · Score: 1

    I mean now, to steal a movie, you have to go to a torrent tracker or other share site or drive to a rental place and rent the DVD you are going to rip. unless you use Netflix of course. But, thanks to Paramount, your new hard drive already comes with a digital copy of the movie, ripe for sharing!

    Yes, I know that DRM is involved but we've all seen how well that has worked out in the past. Why don't they just cut to the chase and load the drive with 20 different trojans instead? Just make the icons nudey pictures and most guys won't have a problem shelling out cash to "see more". that is if the track record of all the people who complain to me about how "slow" their systems are is anything to go by.

    I guess this is just another one of those things that make you go hmmmmm.

    Anyway, you can at least snag a 500 Seagate for about 30% off. Just needs to be formatted.

    1. Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! by LordAndrewSama · · Score: 1

      If by 30% off, you mean 100% more, then yes, you can.

    2. Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Just make the icons nudey pictures and most guys won't have a problem shelling out cash to "see more".

      That's it! Forget the mainstream Hollywood movies. The only problem with their business model is that they preloaded the wrong content! What happens to most hard drives anyway? Sooner or later they get jam packed with porn. So ...

      1) Preload HDD with pornos
      2) There is no ???
      3) Profit!!!

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    3. Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! by Reality+Master+301 · · Score: 1

      Why don't they just cut to the chase and load the drive with 20 different trojans instead?

      Sony is behind this, so they probably have. Live long and profit...

    4. Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! by Uncle+Rummy · · Score: 1

      Why don't they just cut to the chase and load the drive with 20 different trojans instead?

      I don't think it would work very well with those flopping around inside the case.

  13. Re:Amazon referer ID by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks for sneaking in your Amazon referer ID in the URL, asshole!

    1. Go to the Star Trek 2009 page on Amazon.
    2. Hover over "Video On Demand" option.
    3. Note internal site auditing URL.
    4. Apologize.
    5. Look up how to spell referrer.
    6. Have a nice day.
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  14. Not really surprising... by Svartalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nothing new. They've been at selling Star Trek branded USB Thumb drives with the movie on it in a DRMed format for a bit now. Showed up about 1-2 months ago at Fry's. I suspected that the HD's with that same story would show up shortly in the consumer boxed drives. (And people wonder why I would rather have the OEM bulk-pack stuff...)

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    1. Re:Not really surprising... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      This is funny because I actually looked for an HD with Star Trek on it last weekend.
      I needed to buy a new HD anyways, so I was curious to see if it had breached that market.

      ANd at 100 bucks for 500G, I wouldn't have bought it. I got mine for 69 bucks.n

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    2. Re:Not really surprising... by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      Nothing new. They've been at selling Star Trek branded USB Thumb drives with the movie on it in a DRMed format for a bit now. Showed up about 1-2 months ago at Fry's.

      I got one of those as a gift a while ago. It was good quality (but not really high-res).

      The DRM isn't too bad, as DRM goes - I could even play it on an old portable DVD player by playing a "registration" divx file. Having said that, the DivX player occasionally failed to play because it couldn't reconnect to the site.

      It would have been tough if I didn't have a compatible DVD player or Windows XP.

      Anyway, I now have a 4Gb USB drive in the shape of a Star Trek badge that seems to be made out of inch-thick steel.

  15. DRM makes this useless crap. by RyanFenton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration...

    The pre-loaded movies come with a Windows-based digital rights management system that prevents file sharing. They take up about 50 GB of the drive itself.

    This means the drive is filled with extra useless crap wasting space before a format. It'd be a sad thing to discover you paid extra for this, only to not be able to actually use the movies as you would any other file, or even DVD. Hardly a "promotion", more like a way to gamble and write off a loss on old stock.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by argent · · Score: 1

      Luckily you're paying $40 less for this.

    2. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No, you are not. You can get a comparable drive for under $70.

    3. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by wizkid · · Score: 1

      And it looks like they're putting something on the drive to screw with your system. I'll bet it will block p2p programs, and there's a good possibility it will look for movies and corrupt em if it doesn't think you own the rights.

      Don't trust the MPAA and it's affiliate companies. They've been watching the RIAA, and are now starting to employ the same tactics.

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    4. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      Plus, of course, that you have 21 movies taking up 50GB, or less than 2.5GB per movie. Either the movies are short, or they are being compressed to hell. So you are also getting low quality! Way to go Paramount, show the industry how to think outside the box and make it attractive!

      So:

      $140 for a 500GB drive (about twice the cost of buying one retail)
      1 movie viewable, with the other 20 unlockable if you pay over the market price for second-rate movies that are several years old -- and all have DRM
      All movies have been compressed to hell, so don't bother watching on a large screen unless you're a fan of compression artifacts
      If you care about the extra content on a DVD, don't bother, because it isn't there

    5. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Plus, of course, that you have 21 movies taking up 50GB, or less than 2.5GB per movie. Either the movies are short, or they are being compressed to hell.

      2.5GB for a DVD-quality 2-hour movie is just fine, if you use MPEG-4 (even plain...H.264 isn't required).

      That size is only an issue if you also include ultra-high-bitrate audio or multiple audio streams. My DVD rips of LotR take about 4.5GB per 4 hour movie, with DTS sound plus 3 lower bitrate AC3 commentary tracks.

    6. Re:DRM makes this useless crap. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Luckily you're paying $40 less for this.

      If you believe a studio exec.

      $30+ MORE if you're actually comparing to reality

  16. Re:Amazon referer ID by Shakrai · · Score: 1, Funny

    7. ???
    8. Profit!

    (Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

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  17. Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    Store Clerk: "I'm sorry, sir, but all of our hard drives come fullly loaded with tons of crap that nobody wants and nobody needs. In other words, you buy a 500G drive, with zero free space. But the content producers pay us a cut to push the shit, and we like that."

    "If you want to buy an empty hard drive, that will cost you a bit extra . . ."

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    1. Re:Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive by Animats · · Score: 1

      Yeah. When I buy a hard drive, I do not want it prefilled with crapware. In fact, there should be a prominent security warning on the package for any media that comes with executable content. Microsoft OSs still tend to execute any executable content that comes within range of the machine.

      Did they put an autorun file on the hard drive? I'd regard that as "exceeds authorized access".

    2. Re:Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Boot to linux CD.
      wipe -qf /dev/sda
      Format with your favorite file system & enjoy the 500GB HDD you paid double for.

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    3. Re:Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      Step 1: Get drive loaded with crap Step 2: Add as a second drive to Linux machine Step 3: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb Step 4: Profit!

  18. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe people get paid real money to come up with these ideas

    1. Re:Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, time to think about career change maybe?

  19. Re:President of Seagate talked about this years ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never underestimate the bandwidth of a 2TB drive on a UPS truck.

    Yes, but the pingtimes are awful!

  20. Re:President of Seagate talked about this years ag by Locklin · · Score: 1

    This isn't it, but it could be done well and complete with Netflix. If the hard drives were the *same* price loaded with movies as empty, and you can "rent" movies by downloading a key. You end up with a similar user experience as with Netflix or cable "on-demand" movies. Sure, you have a small selection *but* you can "rent" movies almost instantly, even with dialup or cell-phone based internet.

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  21. Haha, 100$? by nikomo · · Score: 1

    Hahaha, a 500GB drive for 100$ What kind of an idiot would buy that? I'd rather buy a 1TB drive for 100$ and get the movies off P2P.

    1. Re:Haha, 100$? by eldepeche · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I just bought 2 x 1.5TB drives for $110 each.

  22. The DVD is Dead, Long Live the DVD by MrTripps · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would I pay $15 to take up drive space for a DVD quality film when the Blu Ray runs $16?

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  23. No, the cat does not, in fact, "got my tongue." by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

    Fixed: "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due slapping nerds in the face by changing Star Trek into a pure action film."

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  24. How many HDDs do you purchase in a year? by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    The posting states that:
    "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

    Just how many 500GB HDD do they expect people to buy. I usually buy many more DVDs than HDDs any given year.
    Not to mention, when you buy a HDD, do you look for price, performance, or the included movie?

  25. Come on Sony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    500GB Seagate drive is available from Newegg for $54.99 with free shipping. Come on Sony... you gotta try harder than that!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

  26. More information by MaddMatt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seagate has a press release with more information about this.

    The drive is an external drive, which Newegg is selling for $100.

    1. Re:More information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only do you have to pay to unlock the extra movies, according to this press release: "The ability to play any unlocked Paramount film on Seagate’s FreeAgent Theater+ HD media player will be enabled with a free firmware update scheduled to be available in late April 2010"...you have to wait 'till late April to watch them, and they can only be watched on the media player of their choice!

  27. Still not gonna watch it by tylersoze · · Score: 1

    I don't care if they put it on my hard drive, I still refuse to watch that damn movie. I'm sick to death of reboots, time travel, alternate universes, or alien smurfs in 3D.

    1. Re:Still not gonna watch it by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      What if they rip your eyelids off and strap you into a chair in the middle of an IMAX Dome theater? Will you watch it then?

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    2. Re:Still not gonna watch it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care if they put it on my hard drive, I still refuse to watch that damn movie. I'm sick to death of reboots, time travel, alternate universes, or alien smurfs in 3D.

      Be fair! I don't remember smurfs having tails but I agree with the rest of your post.

    3. Re:Still not gonna watch it by tylersoze · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that I almost got tricked into seeing the world premiere of the new movie. AICN was supposedly going to screen Wrath of Khan at the Alamo Drafthouse, but I showed up too late and just barely missed getting in, but it turned out it was actually the world premiere of the new one. Now they're trying to trick me into clicking on it on my hard drive. :)

    4. Re:Still not gonna watch it by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I'd watch "A Clockwork Orange" like that.

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  28. Sort of like the shovelware on a new PC? by Happy+Nuclear+Death · · Score: 1

    That's...kinda weird. Anyone tech-savvy enough to be buying bare HDD is just going to reformat it anyway, right?

    I look at it like netbooks & laptops that inevitably come pre-configured with Windows and a ton of crapware: I may have little use for it, but there's nothing stopping me from wiping the drive & installing OS of my choice. If it lets them sell the machine more cheaply, under the fiction that the shovelware is "free advertising" for the vendors, it's a win for both me and the manufacturer.

    Oh, except it's NOT a better deal. $100 is steep for only 500 GB. It would only look like a "deal" if you shop for components at Best Buy.

  29. Re:Amazon referer ID by trenton · · Score: 1

    If referring to HTTP, referer is correct: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.36

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  30. piracy is the patsy by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

    It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy.

    Maybe some of us just tire of re-buying the same movies on the newest format, or maybe they've been putting out so much crap that it's all we can do just to sit through the movie once. I don't buy or download movies, and I barely rent them. Methinks piracy is just the patsy for their own inabilities to cough up something watchable.

    1. Re:piracy is the patsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just don't want any more crap in my house. I don't want more DVDs or CDs. I like just renting, enjoying, and then getting it out of my space.

      80s/90s: *owning* media was an exciting new thing.

      Today: if I'm going to be a librarian/mover/wearhouse manager, I want to get paid for it.

    2. Re:piracy is the patsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope everyone in this thread realizes that "due to piracy" was just included by the Slashdot editors to boost page views.

    3. Re:piracy is the patsy by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1
      RTFA

      The special sale comes as Hollywood is struggling with falling DVD sales in the face of piracy and is looking for new ways to sell movies from its library.

      Not "included" by the slashdot editors, referenced from TFA by them.

  31. Ehm, you are forgetting Hollywood economics by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember in Hollywood a movie that earns millions in ticket sales, nonetheless fails to make a profit when the author has to be payed.

    In Hollywood a shared movie does damages to the tune of roughly the world economy * infinity.

    And in Hollywood a 500gb HD costs the price of a 2tb drive to anyone else.

    This ain't even the typical scam of naming the recommended retail price as a the value of a gift, since Seagate doesn't even recommend this price itself.

    Ah, hollywood and scamming. Remember, if you buy a movie, you are supporting these guys. Safe the free world, be a pirate!

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    1. Re:Ehm, you are forgetting Hollywood economics by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      That's because in Hollywood, computers all have this 3D hand-wavy activated interface and can infini-zoom beyond a single (dark) pixel to continue to enlarge and clarify an image to catch "perps". These 500GB drives are considered antiques. Once it's an antique, the price goes up a billion-fold.

    2. Re:Ehm, you are forgetting Hollywood economics by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Safe the free world, be a pirate!

      If I put the free world in my safe, wouldn't it then become not free?

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  32. Let me know by geekoid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    when it's 100 petabytes.

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  33. 10%? by JackSpratts · · Score: 1

    ten percent of this hard drive is taken up by the studio's drm system. i would think they could do better than that.

    hey paramount, make it 20% and you've got a deal!

    - js.

  34. Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling by sehlat · · Score: 1

    Two factors:

    1. Redbox and a much more efficient rental market, which is why the studios have bludgeoned them into a 28-day "waiting period" to try and force people to buy DVDs

    2. What's worth actually buying? With the exception of Pixar's stuff, I haven't seen a movie I'd be willing to shell out for in about five years.

    1. Re:Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I heard some very nice things about California Dreamin', a 2007 Romanian film by Cristian Nemescu (young guy, killed in a car accident before the movie was released).

      I bought it for 1.5E in the supermarket. They have some cheap (1.5 to 2.5 Euros) movies close to the registers, and I was curious to see a Romanian film. I still haven't watched it, but I lent it to a fried and he told me it's very good.

    2. Re:Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling by sehlat · · Score: 1

      Thank you. My pact brother handles movies for the family, so I've sent him the link as "netflix fodder." We've gotten some absolutely splendid foreign films that way, to the point where we rarely even rent Hollywood's crap anymore.

    3. Re:Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      2. What's worth actually buying? With the exception of Pixar's stuff, I haven't seen a movie I'd be willing to shell out for in about five years.

      *checks math* ...but it has only been two years since Batman: The Dark Knight came out...

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    4. Re:Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling by sehlat · · Score: 1

      Dark Knight may or may not have been a good film. I can't say. I haven't seen it.

      But I reject the claim that most movies are worth the expense of:

      a: buying them
      b: organizing them in a collection
      c: protecting that collection

  35. Falling DVD sales due to piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Greedy scum spreading lies again.
    If DVD sales are falling, it is due to the poor quality of movies, overpricing, digital restriction management, attacking their customers, and an obsolete business model that has still not adapted to the internet age.

  36. Re:Amazon referer ID by johny42 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for sneaking in your Amazon referer ID in the URL, asshole!

    What is your problem with that? Is the information he provided less relevant, insightful or interesting in any way? Oh, right. You're posting that as AC, so you probably already know you're just trolling.

  37. Seagate==Early drive failure so the movies are DRM by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    I've returned 2 new Seagate drives 14 times so far. No "Live long and prosper for YOU!"

    It's called Hardware DRM.

  38. Quality control by FencingLion · · Score: 1

    This is just the latest example of hard drives coming pre-loaded with malware.

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  39. What? by bmo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140.

    No, it doesn't. 1TB external drives sell for $70 in Newegg's bargain basement.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/yce9qhx

    And that's retail. For being 500MB, these sound suspiciously like drives Seagate had sitting in a crate somewhere gathering dust, because they certainly are old tech.

    pre-loaded with a digital lock that requires a code that can be purchased online for $10 to $15 each. Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration.

    So you *don't* get to watch the movies for $100. The real cost is $300 minimum in a drive that is spectacularly overpriced to start with. How many ways can you say "ripoff?"

    DRM

    It doesn't go into detail, but I'd bet you can't move those movies off the drive. Also, since these are DRM encumbered, they are a rental. If I want to rent movies, I will use netflix.

    The special sale comes as Hollywood is struggling with falling DVD sales in the face of piracy and is looking for new ways to sell movies from its library.

    Bullshit. Hollywood is *not* going begging. They're making more money than ever.

    This is going to fail and they are going to blame it yet again on privacy when the failure has nothing to do with it but everything to do with trying to screw the customer as much as possible.

    This is an insult to my intelligence as a consumer.

    I have no sympathy for the studios. The sooner they go bankrupt the better.

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    1. Re:What? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      "This is an insult to my intelligence as a consumer."

      QFT. *Nobody* who buys hard disks separately is going to fall for this.

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  40. Not necessarily piracy by Livius · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to Hollywood making crap."

  41. falling DVD sales due to piracy?? by Sleepy · · Score: 1

    Way to not be objective.. "falling DVD sales due to piracy".

    Really - is that alleged link reported as a fact now? Even on Slashdot?

    I thought DVD sales were plummeting because everyone was using Netflix, or buying (or waiting for) the Blu-Ray edition of things... or waiting for the second printing of the Blu-Ray (because the first one ships without "extras" or a bad transfer, just so they can sell you the same BR movie twice).

    Or maybe DVD sales are plummeting because we're in the midst of a recession that is so bad that even the well-off and job holding public find themselves cutting unnecessary expenses...

    The studios know this, of course, but want the media to continue parroting their "piracy" claims, so they can ram through their undemocratic treaties...

  42. Re:Amazon referer ID by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

    He wasn’t. He was referring to the Amazon referral program. The ?ref, on the other hand, was referring to the HTTP referer header to which you referred, which was referring to the word “referrer” but designed by people who couldn’t be bothered with referring to a dictionary.

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  43. What a great Deal! by pugugly · · Score: 1

    For $100 dollars I can buy half the hard drive space I would buy for $80 at Frys, with the additional benefit of buying 20 movies each, for the same price as a DVD I could buy and copy onto my hard drive effortlessly!

    If only I could be guaranteed a ridculously short lifetime - oh, wait, it's a SEAGATE - I've had two or three of those over the years and they *all* died!

    I'm just dizzy with the anticipation!

    Pug

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  44. Bricking is not enough by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    What's up with Seagate? They seem to be increasingly looking for ways to make paperweights. And they used to be the standard.

  45. "requires a code ... purchased for $10 to $15" by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, can't you buy real DVDs for a similar sort of price?

    }"An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140."

    Sure it does...in the year 2007.

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  46. Re:Amazon referer ID by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    He wasn't. He was referring to the Amazon referral program.

    Actually I was referring to Amazon's referal program where I was released back into the Amazon jungle and accepted by a pack of developers. In time I relearned their ways and mated with their women. As fate would have it, Amazon had only deferred their deferal program and as soon as it went back into effect I took advantage of it and here I am clean and shaven--almost fully capable of using a keyboard again!

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  47. Re:President of Seagate talked about this years ag by Svartalf · · Score: 1

    The bandwidth is awesome for that...it's the latency that's the killer in many cases. :-D

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  48. No mention of DRM by angelfly · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised to see no mention of DRM at all, though I'm doubtful that they'll ship these movies DRM-free.

  49. Re:Amazon referer ID by Alsee · · Score: 1

    Actually I was referring to Amazon's referal program where I was released back into the Amazon jungle and accepted by a pack of developers. In time I relearned their ways and mated with their women.

    Lie.

    As fate would have it, Amazon had only deferred their deferal program and as soon as it went back into effect I took advantage of it and here I am clean

    Lie lie.

    and shaven

    Lie lie lie.

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  50. "due to piracy" by Touvan · · Score: 3, Informative

    OMFG!! Why is hollywood so fixated on this ridiculous lie. Piracy isn't the reason no one buys DVDs. They don't buy DVDs because the movies suck.

    They were saying the same stupid nonsense about why no one goes to the movies anymore, then what happened? Good movies came out, and look! People went to the movies in record numbers (and it wasn't the god damn 3D that was just icing - the movies were good!!).

    Hollywood is run by morons.

    1. Re:"due to piracy" by gregthebunny · · Score: 1

      Hollywood is run by morons.

      One could argue the opposite is also true. ;)

    2. Re:"due to piracy" by Touvan · · Score: 1

      Naw! Fox News has a monopoly on that. ;)

  51. Re:Amazon referer ID by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    Actually I was referring to Amazon's referal program where I was released back into the Amazon jungle and accepted by a pack of developers. In time I relearned their ways and mated with their women.

    Lie.

    No, I swear it's true. One of the developers even called me up on Monday to give me "some friendly advice to hit up a clinic" (whatever that means).

    and shaven

    Lie lie lie.

    I'm not misleading you. Everyone else calls this time phenomenon Friday and Saturday or, if you're a PHP developer, you have to call it Satruday because when someone misspells something in software that you use you have to persist that misspelling when you speak about that topic until the end of time.

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  52. Wishful thinking... by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1
    I read the title as "Warp Drive shipping with Star Trek" :)

    Anyway, already have the movie on BD... and I fell asleep on the plane 20 minutes into watching "GI Joe" - most boring movie of the year. Thanks Paramount, though, usually I don't sleep on a flight.

  53. Missed Opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was all on-board until I saw the "you have to buy the code to unlock the movies" crap.

    What a great way to sell a new drive. If it were 140-150 and the movies were free then I might have actually though about buying one. Instead, you have a drive with useless wasted space.

    How stupid.

  54. Dear Paramount Pictures, by zerospeaks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dear Paramount Pictures, When I read that a 500GB hard drive came with a copy of Star Trek on it, I reached for my wallet. Even though I already own the blu-ray version. When I read "20 other movies included", I dropped my wallet because I was trying to pull out my debit card too fast. Even if they are old low quality/low budget movies I think this is a great deal! I want to buy one before they sell out. Then I read "DRM" and "additional fees to watch the movies". I now feel like you have insulted my intelligence and I will be sure to pirate your movies from now on. It's not about money. I spend plenty of money. It's about convenience and value. Your ex-customer,

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  55. Re:Amazon referer ID by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    No it's not. The spec has a spelling error in it which, unfortunately, has become a standard. However, that doesn't mean it's the correct spelling-- it isn't and never has been.

    It's really just yet one more example of how much the W3C sucks at their job.

  56. Mistake in summary by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

    "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."
    It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to ever increasing DRM bullshit legit. users have to deal with.

  57. I used to purchase 1-2 DVDs per week by CyberSnyder · · Score: 1

    ...but I very rarely watch a movie more than once. Ever. So now I just watch the movie for $4.99 OnDemand and I'm done. I still purchase movies for the kids because they'll watch great titles like "Planet 51" over and over again.

    I think the bigger problem is that there are few titles worth purchasing rather than blaming everything on piracy. I don't know if I've ever seen a pirated movie for sale anywhere. But I've seen many crappy titles that I've picked up and then placed back on the shelf.

  58. Correlation, Causation, Conflation by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy.

    DVD sales are falling, and piracy may be increasing. However, movie quality is also falling, Hulu is climbing, alternative video entertainment (YouTube, vidcasts, &c) is climbing, streaming rentals (Netflix, Blockbuster, iTunes) are climbing, and digital sales are climbing. Average consumer confidence over the past decade has also been at historical lows and the lift from the real estate boom mostly brought (lottery-like, irrational) lump sums of disposable cash that were used for big ticket items, not DVDs. Expanding mortgage obligations also tend to hamper smaller scale short-term disposable income (the kind that is used for DVDs).

    The decline of DVD sales is certainly not entirely due to piracy, and may not even be largely due to it. Every time the two are conflated as having a strict and isolated causative relationship the ability to rationally discuss the issue is harmed. Please don't over-simplify this complex system -- there is great harm being done by over-legislation in this area already.

  59. What they don't tell you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that you are getting "a" Star Trek movie, not "Star Trek" the 2009 version.

    I hope you enjoy our $100 hard drive preloaded with the finest in American cinema (at least according to the American Movie Classics channel, which shows it at least once a week):

    Star Trek: Nemesis

  60. No more ripping by Candyban · · Score: 1

    It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy.

    Does this mean we'll start to see bootleg hard drives with pre-ripped movies soon?

    How cool would it be to just plug in the new movies into the NAS?

  61. Count it... by Androclese · · Score: 1

    Is this their first version of this. Hrm, thanks, but I'll wait for the 2nd and 4th versions.

  62. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't agree with the "falling sales because of piracy". It might as well be becuase of availability of other options such as netflix or redbox. I wish the MPAA and what not stop using the piracy BS.

  63. Its not because of pirates, come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the biggest myth is that DVD sales are dropping because of piracy. First the quantity of movies has increased, but the quality has decreased. Where we once waited for that handful of great summertime blockbusters that we would want to own in the fall, we are now inundated with literally hundreds of crappy log budget movies and might be entertaining for the 90 minutes at the theater, but are not worth spending $20 - $30 on.

    When I upgraded to a Blu-ray player I found that if I am going to spend $30+ on a movie its going to be one I want to watch at least a few more times. And frankly I just don't see that many movies these days I want to watch repeatedly, let alone OWN. And I don't even bother downloading movies these days (why, Blu-ray is so much better quality). I rent them through an online service, watch them once, and then that is it. If I want to watch them again I will add them to my rental list and they will show up in the mail magically one day.

    I think after-screening movie sales is a dying market. Hollywood has killed their own market by making 1000's a movies a year (some straight to DVD) people want to watch once instead of a few dozen really good films that people want to own. Hollywood has to make a decision on whether to profit by making large quantities of films, or profit off of making a few good quality films, and I think we have seen where Hollywood makes the most money.

    Good movies will always make money. Avatar will sell millions on DVD and Blu-ray. GI Joe won't. Period. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

  64. And you didn't RTFA - FINE PRIINT by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    You guys all missed the kicker in the fine print! This little nugget (from TFA):

    In addition to Star Trek(2009), those who have purchased the specially marked hard drives also receive an assortment of 20 Paramount Pictures movies pre-loaded on the FreeAgent Go 500GB ultra-portable drives that can be easily and securely unlocked through the online purchase of a license key. The films will be licensed for multiple devices to allow for portability and enjoyment of them on a desktop computer, laptop computer, or widescreen television, using the FreeAgent Theater+(TM) HD media player

          So, you ain't getting JACK - aside from not having to download the entire movie. And a crappy hard drive for a premium price that you will format anyway.

  65. Due to piracy?! by evilviper · · Score: 1

    [...] falling DVD sales due to piracy.

    Who's stupid enough to believe this assertion?

    For the past 10 years, nearly everything coming out of Hollywood has been crap. There's no comparison between the industry today, and 20 years ago. It's non-stop mindless tripe, remakes of old movies, comic books, and TV shows. I can count on one hand the worthwhile films that have been released in the past 10 years.

    This is what happens when business eats their own seed corn. Sure, at first you get inflated profits as viewer habits more slowly change (and the prisoner's dilemma keeps you on top until everyone else joins in) but audiences continue to decline, and Hollywood is showing no signs of changing... Odd, since massive success right now would make them a much more attractive investment...

    Of course the declining DVD sales also couldn't have anything to do with the recession, or the shine coming off the DVD sales bubble as the technology is no longer new to anyone, and people wise-up to the endless tricks like "Director's Cut #5" and irritants like forced trailers and the like.

    Honestly, how could movie sales NOT be declining right now?

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  66. Re:Amazon referer ID by evil_breeds · · Score: 1

    You said you, referring to me, which is incorrect. The correct answer is you.

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  67. Tienne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why did the article mentionned "falling DVD sales due to piracy"?

    Why does every record company or movie producer blames piracy every time they lose a cent?

    The logic that states "a stolen copy is a copy that is not bought" is complete fallacy.

  68. Re:Amazon referer ID by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    I was referring to the person to whom I was replying.

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  69. Re:Amazon referer ID by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Wow. Clean, shaven and you got out into nature AND have mated! That’s already four more things, than any other Slashdotter ever did. ;)

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  70. I'm unemployed by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    I'm unemployed, and not likely to ever get un-unemployed.

    Send me a $100, and I'll send you a 500 Gig hard drive with * 100 * movies on it. All the Star Trek and the Star Wars films.

    I'll fill the rest of the titles with general cool stuff like James Bond and Clint Eastwood. I'll even include some older great films like 'Black Sunday' (beautiful Marthe Keller as a Swiss-Palestinian terrorist telling wack-job vet Bruce Dern: 'Zer Ahre No Accidents!'); 'Marathon Man' ('Ees it safe? Dyou shoold take bezzer care of your teeth'); a few warm-hearted click flicks, a 40's Bogart or two ('here's looking at you, kid. We'll always have Paris'). Speaking of Paris, I'll include La Femme Nikita, Jules And Jim, and the original 1946 Beauty And The Beast. I'll even include "El Topo", which is the weirdest film that you have never heard of (just ask any 60-year-old stoner professor at your university)

        Better deal for everyone than what you would get from Paramount Studios!!

  71. Re:Amazon referer ID by BillX · · Score: 1

    I am just a poor boy, though my story's seldom told...

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  72. Yes, the DMCA has been upheld on CSS. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Has the DMCA been proven in court? Has anyone been punished for circumventing CSS?

    Several times.

    • Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley, 273 F.3d 429 (2nd Cir., 2001): Upheld a lower court's injunction against 2600 magazine for distributing and linking to DeCSS. See in particular pp. 438, fn. 5 and pp. 452-453 on the applicability of the DMCA to CSS and DeCSS.
      This case has been highly cited by other courts ruling on the DMCA within and without the 2nd Circuit.
    • 321 Studios v. Metro Goldwyn Mayer Studios, Inc., 307 F.Supp.2d 1085 (N.D.Cal., 2004): Court ruled against a maker of DVD copying software. Court rules that CSS is an effective control measure, and the presence of CSS keys on the internet was irrelevant to its legal status.
    • Realnetworks, Inc. v. DVD Copy Control Ass'n, 641 F.Supp.2d 913 (N.D.Cal., 2009): Court ruled against another maker of DVD copying sofware. The court held that the fact the CSS has been hacked did not make it no longer an effective control measure. Alternative ways of getting at the content is irrelevant to whether or not CSS is effective in the ordinary course of its operation. pp. 938.

    No courts outside of NY & the 2nd Circuit or California have addressed the DMCA, but it's highly unlikely given the language of the DMCA that another court is going to rule that breaking CSS is perfectly legal. Each of the courts that have addressed the constitutionality of the DMCA have upheld it on this matter, holding that code contains significant non-speech elements that can be regulated in a content-neutral fashion.

    While these courts have focused on the DMCA with regards to the distribution of copy-protection circumventing software, it's worth rereading the DMCA:

    No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.

    17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1)(A)

    While no individual users have been charged for violating the DMCA, and it's highly unlikely that any individuals ever will be charged any time soon, it's still illegal to circumvent CSS to copy your own DVDs -- mostly. Universal City Studios explicitly disavows fair use as an exception to the law. See pp. 443-444. On the other hand, Realnetworks recognizes a fair use exception, but holds that fair use doesn't encompass wholesale space-shifting (i.e. copying your entire DVD for later viewing).See pp. 940-944.

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  73. I didn't like those movies the first time by DedTV · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone buy a DVD when it's either based on a book you've already read (or Oprah told your wife to read) or it's a remake/reboot/reinvention of something you bought on DVD 10 years ago?

    Currently Hollywood is remaking, reinventing or rebooting (some of these are just rumored, but most are confirmed to at least be on the drawing board): 10, A Nightmare On Elm Street, Adventures In Babysitting, Alien, American Graffiti, American Pie, Arthur, Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes, Back To School, Battle Royale, Better Off Dead, Brewster's Millions, "Buffy The Vampire Slayer (The movie. With the same director as the original), Can't Buy Me Love, Child's Play, Cliffhanger, Cloak And Dagger, Clue, Cocktail, Conan, Creature From The Black Lagoon, Daredevil, Death Wish, Dirty Dancing, Dream A Little Dream, Drop Dead Fred, Dune, Earth Girls Are Easy, Endless Love, Escape From New York, Explorers, Fantastic Four, Fast Times At Ridgemont High, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Flash Gordon, Fletch, Flight Of The Navigator, Footloose, Fright Night, Ghostbusters, Gilligan's Island, Girls Just Want To Have Fun, Goonies, Gotcha, Gremlins, Heathers, Hellraiser, Highlander, Honey, I Shrunk The Kids, Iron Eagle, Jurassic Park, La Femme Nikita, License To Drive, Little Shop Of Horrors, Logan’s Run (, Look Who's Talking, Meatballs, Monster Squad, My Fair Lady, National Lampoon's Vacation, Night Of The Comet, Pet Semetary, Planet Of The Apes, Point Break, Police Academy, Poltergeist, Porky's, Private Benjamin, Real Genius, Reanimator, Red Dawn, Robocop, Rocky Horror Picture Show, Romancing The Stone, Rosemary's Baby, Scanners, Shocker, Short Circuit, Silent Night Deadly Night, Smokey And The Bandit, Spawn, Spider-Man, Spy Kids, Stand By Me, Stephen King's It, Summer School, Superman, Teen Witch, Teen Wolf, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas, The Birds, The Black Hole, The Breakfast Club, The Crow, The Incredible Shrinking Man, The Karate Kid, The Last Starfighter, The Lost Boys, The Neverending Story, The Pirates Of Penzance, The Thing, The Warriors, Thelma And Louise, They Live, Tomb Raider, Total Recall, Toxic Avenger, Tron, True Grit, Valley Girl, Weekend At Bernies, Weird Science, Where The Boys Are, Weird Science and I'm sure there's plenty more.

    Why pay $17 to sit through 90 minutes of some dreadful book adaptation or 80s movie remake when I can pay $25 for 10 hours of Dexter or $50 for a season of 24? They're at least as good as anything Hollywood is pumping out, a far better value, and I don't have to deal with sticky floors and cell phones. And I've yet to see any TV DvDs pull the "10 minutes of ads before you can go to the main menu" stunt that half the new release movies I've bought seem to have these days.

  74. Re:Amazon referer ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simpsons reference win
    Reply fail

  75. Re:Amazon referer ID by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    But I didn’t say you referring to evil_breeds. And the correct answer wasn’t me. So the quote didn’t fit.

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    Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.