I think that my commentary that directly addresses the points made by Havoc Pennington in his "Free Software and Good User Interfaces" paper is a better article than the one linked here. It goes more into technical differences of opinion than this article so I think it's stronger. The article slashdot linked was mostly my opinion, the new one is more technical.
What a bunch of crap, just because someone posts an article that was actually researched OFB is a "KDE mouthpiece". Point out one part of his article that is factually incorrect. Can't do it, can you?
How come you totally neglect the fact that not one thing in DEP's articles was true, including comments he attributed to the Delaware Secretary of State's office that they deny ever making, anyone in their office making, and are factually incorrect. Someone refutes a mostly imaginary FUD article and you say they are a "KDE mouthpiece". No one talks about making up quotes and facts, but still troll KDE when they did absolutely nothing wrong.
How about the fact that the Gnome foundation hasn't released their financials yet? You'd think you'd at least give the KDE League the same amount of time they get considering they started later, but no:P You want it, *now*, even though you have no right to anything at all.
This whole story is crap, and proved to be lies.
Mosfet.org updated about why this is bad
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I've updated my web site with my opinion on this. Basically they made KDE a shell for Gnome apps so when you select the "KDE" desktop you don't get the KDE web browser, email client, etc... You get all Gnome apps. This is in addition to removing "KDE" from the KDE "About" boxes. They negated the differences between the desktops by removing much of KDE.
You wanted larger toolbar buttons by adding text. I told you how to very easily get it. You think it should be default, but this was discussed and the majority of users don't agree. I mean, if you want to do an informal check just look at most user's desktops. My screenshots are the only ones to regulary use large toolbar icons, much less toolbar text. As a matter of fact, many icon sets third parties make only come with 22x22 icons because the majority of users only use smaller toolbar buttons. We support the option, and in this case make it very easy to get to, but have to use a default we feel will appeal to the most users. Come on, right clicking on the toolbar isn't too hard or having to dig deep in any configuration.
Is my response unintelligent because it doesn't agree with you?
As for the menus, you said you didn't like the default order menu items occurred. I told you that if you want to suggest a different order you could do so with no programming required because the menus are written in XML. Change things to how you would like and post the results so people can discuss them. How else do you think things get done?
Was this response unintelligent because it required you to do something?
Okay, first of all you say:
"Namely, windows now lack side borders, or have thin, black side border that look funny. All windows have squarish title bars and a nextish style sizing handle or bar at the
bottom. You can no longer resize windows anywhere but at the bottom corners."
This was actually true, and was wrong. I didn't write the default KWin style that was in the previous beta of KDE2 and it had some flaws such as the above. I did write the one in the current beta and it can be resized anywhere of course;-)
It also has much nicer handles, etc...
Then you get on how KDE2 looks much more like Next or WindowMaker. I don't see this at all since the design is much more like Be and Mac although I designed it from the ground up to be smooth and pretty, but whatever. Then you state:
"It's a shame so much time has been wasted macintrashing the Kde desktop. At least you can use a different window manager with Kde - one that has borders around windows
and more tasteful proportions. Again, the underlying graphics engine is nicer - gradations are smoother, detail is sharper, etc., so it has not been a total loss. I guess it is just up to
third parties who want a different look to code different theme engines for Kde, which Kde graciously allows (but non-programmers can't do this)."
Actually, you can use several different styles with the same window manager. It comes with dedicated style engines (not just themes!) for the old KDE1 look, Be, Next, Laptop users, an Aqua-like one, and Mac-like System++.
Finally you state:
" Finally, Mosfet get a hair cut. When I first visited the Mosfet web site, I thought he was a girl. If only Mosfet's themes were as pretty as his face we might have a "kickass"
desktop in Kde 2.
I can't help it if I'm pretty;-)
Uhm, people seem to be doing it...
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And it is working just fine. Show me one commercial app written by a large company in GTK, FLTK, or WxWindows....
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I think that my commentary that directly addresses the points made by Havoc Pennington in his "Free Software and Good User Interfaces" paper is a better article than the one linked here. It goes more into technical differences of opinion than this article so I think it's stronger. The article slashdot linked was mostly my opinion, the new one is more technical.
You can read the new commentary
here!
Feel free to mod the original anon posting down, I have no moderation capability :/
What a bunch of crap, just because someone posts an article that was actually researched OFB is a "KDE mouthpiece". Point out one part of his article that is factually incorrect. Can't do it, can you?
:P You want it, *now*, even though you have no right to anything at all.
How come you totally neglect the fact that not one thing in DEP's articles was true, including comments he attributed to the Delaware Secretary of State's office that they deny ever making, anyone in their office making, and are factually incorrect. Someone refutes a mostly imaginary FUD article and you say they are a "KDE mouthpiece". No one talks about making up quotes and facts, but still troll KDE when they did absolutely nothing wrong.
How about the fact that the Gnome foundation hasn't released their financials yet? You'd think you'd at least give the KDE League the same amount of time they get considering they started later, but no
This whole story is crap, and proved to be lies.
I've updated my web site with my opinion on this. Basically they made KDE a shell for Gnome apps so when you select the "KDE" desktop you don't get the KDE web browser, email client, etc... You get all Gnome apps. This is in addition to removing "KDE" from the KDE "About" boxes. They negated the differences between the desktops by removing much of KDE.
Is my response unintelligent because it doesn't agree with you?
As for the menus, you said you didn't like the default order menu items occurred. I told you that if you want to suggest a different order you could do so with no programming required because the menus are written in XML. Change things to how you would like and post the results so people can discuss them. How else do you think things get done?
Was this response unintelligent because it required you to do something?
This was actually true, and was wrong. I didn't write the default KWin style that was in the previous beta of KDE2 and it had some flaws such as the above. I did write the one in the current beta and it can be resized anywhere of course ;-)
It also has much nicer handles, etc...
Then you get on how KDE2 looks much more like Next or WindowMaker. I don't see this at all since the design is much more like Be and Mac although I designed it from the ground up to be smooth and pretty, but whatever. Then you state: "It's a shame so much time has been wasted macintrashing the Kde desktop. At least you can use a different window manager with Kde - one that has borders around windows and more tasteful proportions. Again, the underlying graphics engine is nicer - gradations are smoother, detail is sharper, etc., so it has not been a total loss. I guess it is just up to third parties who want a different look to code different theme engines for Kde, which Kde graciously allows (but non-programmers can't do this)."
Actually, you can use several different styles with the same window manager. It comes with dedicated style engines (not just themes!) for the old KDE1 look, Be, Next, Laptop users, an Aqua-like one, and Mac-like System++.
Finally you state:
" Finally, Mosfet get a hair cut. When I first visited the Mosfet web site, I thought he was a girl. If only Mosfet's themes were as pretty as his face we might have a "kickass" desktop in Kde 2.
I can't help it if I'm pretty ;-)
And it is working just fine. Show me one commercial app written by a large company in GTK, FLTK, or WxWindows....