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Slashback: Agenda, Reproduction, Aesthetics

Lots of updates, amplifications and followups in tonight's Slashback. Clones are on the way, the Agenda Linux-based PDA isn't quite dead, Gates' testimony is online, (surprize!) Hollings' so-called privacy bill could have a very different upshot, and much much more. Read on below for the details.

I can't be dead -- I still have batteries! Bill Kendrick writes: "Just when you thought the first Linux-based PDA was dead and gone, someone announces a compatible version, the STVR3 from Softfield Technologies (who actually did the hardware design for the original AgendaVR3). Only $105 for the 8MB, and $135 for a new 16MB version. Not bad if you want a bash prompt in your pocket, and can't afford the $500 for a Zaurus!"

De gustibus non est disputandum. An Anonymous Coward writes: "Mosfet has posted a reply to Bart Decrem's interview regarding Bart's comments on KDE and its looks. Mosfet explains how KDE has a very elegant system for users and developers using the flexibility of C++ and Qt, which creates a more consistent look and feel. He makes many good points that developers and users often disregard when considering desktop environments and their toolkits. Good read, expecially for those who participate in the 'Desktop Wars.'"

Borrowed at gunpoint, but spent much more freely. blankmange writes: "CNet is carrying a followup to a story that was posted here not too long ago. The State of California apparently ordered too many licenses for Oracle's database software: 'A top official in California Gov. Gray Davis' administration has resigned in a growing controversy over a $95 million software contract with Oracle. Barry Keene, director of the state's Department of General Services, quit after a highly critical state audit said the contract--awarded without competitive bids and for software that is little used--could cost taxpayers $41 million.' Sounds like there may be more resignations and a further investigation."

I wish Gary Trudeau would run a few strips skewering these presumptuous bureaucrat wastrels, prodigal even by the standards of the public trough.

Welcome to my secret underground lair. ceswiedler writes: "Salon is running a story that Sen. Hollings' new Online Personal Privacy Act 'would place a congressional stamp of approval on precisely the kinds of practices that purveyors of spyware are eager to engage in.' The writer is particularly concered with the 'nonsensitive' information clause, which is 'a huge gaping loophole' for companies like KaZaA and Brilliant Digital."

Science greatly ups my odds of reproducing. Transcendent writes: "I just recently read an article at SpaceDaily about how there are three women due to give birth to clones. Italian Professor, Severino Antinori, told reporters that two of the women were from the former Soviet Rebublic, and one from an Islamic country. They're keeping specific details from the public, but it's still a huge shake to an ever-changing legal, scientific, and moral society."

A bedtime story for very, very bad children. tulare writes: "Microsoft is hosting Bill Gates' written testimony online. At 42,000 words, it's not neccessarily light reading, but to their credit, it is nicely indexed. Probably a must-read." Also good for European insomniacs to start boring through.

Lobby your library. Lots of readers inquired where they could find copies of The Computer and the Skateboard . Filmmaker Paul David writes: "DVD copies of this movie will be ready to ship in mid-may. The Cinema Guild website will be e-commerce ready by June 1. If you would like to order a copy before June 1, The Cinema Guild will take your order over the phone: (800) 723-5522 or (212) 685-6242. dvds for home use are $59.95. vhs copies (for home use) are available for $79.95."

247 comments

  1. California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the bigest state in the union, california is oftain the target of this shit.

    1. Re:California get shafted by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      If by population, then yes. If you mean by size, no. California is behind Alaska (biggest) and Texas (second).

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    2. Re:California get shafted by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Umm, California didn't get shafted, California happily gave it self the ready and willing shaft. (Must like they have done with their recent power situation...) Being the largest state is an advantage, only if you aren't a Californian...

    3. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let's try to get it right: much like Argentina, Brazil and other 3rd world countries, California's politicians have been paid through the nose to pass the so-called power deregulation.

      California did not give itself the shaft; greedy politicians have sold their costituence to the various Southern, Reliant and Enron. That's it.

    4. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW! A user with a 3 digit ID just got trolled. That's something you don't see everyday.

      Did daddy let you use his computer for the day?

    5. Re:California get shafted by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 2

      Re-elect Gov. Davis:

      You think things are bad now? Just give us four more years!

    6. Re:California get shafted by rossz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are a moron of the highest order.

      The facts about illegal aliens.

      They take shit jobs no one else wants, e.g. backbreaking farm work. They pay taxes (taken out before they get paid), but never file for refunds (which most would be entitled to if they did file). They don't use medicare and such, because they are afraid they will get deported if they do. The same is true for all the other "freebies" that you mention.

      If illegal aliens disappeared form California, vegetables would rot in the fields, grocery prices would skyrocket, and the economy would probably be crippled.

      We need them. They need us.

      Until you spend a season picking artichokes in the central coast, you can just shut the fuck up, you racist asshole.

      Go ahead, moderate me down. I don't care.

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    7. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if your talking population wise(or congrestional(SP?) seats then California is the largest, then New York and then Texas.

      Glad I'm a Texan. Were going to RuLe Ju some day.

      sorry, I don't even really know how to lete-speak

      Jako

    8. Re:California get shafted by madburn · · Score: 1

      If I read the article correctly, it seems that the California government brought in a consultant to evaluate their needs. The consultant happened to be an Oracle partner and surprise, came up with a sweetheart recommendation that netted them a huge amount of money. The government employees failed to even validate the contents of the recommendation and blindly followed them. I've seen this happen in other state and local governments.

      This is a clear example of what's wrong with the computer consulting business as well as the clueless processes within government.

    9. Re:California get shafted by Tetravus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, I live on the Central Coast (and am an economics student)
      This guy's right. It's the free market at work.

      "If illegal aliens disappeared form California, vegetables would rot in the fields, grocery prices would skyrocket, and the economy would probably be crippled.

      We need them. They need us."

      End of argument.

    10. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... California's politicians ...

      Exactly... Politicians represent (or at least are supposed to) the people, you elected them, or at least 40% or so of you did.

    11. Re:California get shafted by madeye+the+younger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need them because of what, exactly? To temporarily conceal the fact that the economy you refer to is unbalanced? I'm not a big fan of bandaids on a sucking chest wound, even when there's alot of ready bandaids.

      We don't need them. We need to make those jobs they're being exploited for into NON-shit jobs, and realize the standard of living we're taking for granted costs more than we thought.

    12. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet that rossz makes a better living than illegal aliens by hiring them, selling to them,
      smuggling them or evoking sympathy for them.

      All in all I would rather live where illegal immigration is a problem than where they have brain drain.

    13. Re:California get shafted by Hard_Code · · Score: 2
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=31710&cid=34 33 482
      We need them because of what, exactly? To temporarily conceal the fact that the economy you refer to is unbalanced? I'm not a big fan of bandaids on a sucking chest wound, even when there's alot of ready bandaids.

      We don't need them. We need to make those jobs they're being exploited for into NON-shit jobs, and realize the standard of living we're taking for granted costs more than we thought.
      I think both the main post, and this response are good points, and not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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    14. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, employment of young black males is at an all time low. Coincidence? Probably not.

      I like the 'taxes are taken out before they get paid' bit. Yeah right. Most of these guys get paid in cash at the end of the day and the employer writes it off as a non-workforce expense. The only taxes they pay directly are sales taxes and lottery tickets. So are you also saying that they never-ever go to the emergency room, or put their kids in public school or pressure states to give them in-state tuition. Of course, the Mexican government isn't just shoveling their problems on the US. No not at all. Of course, they don't have their own lobbying group with the same integrity as Operation Rainbow backing them with discrimination lawsuits if anyone tries to enforce the law.

      We need them only for cheap labor. They only bring more poverty along with them because their own corrupt government doesn't give a shit. Maybe it would be a good thing for grocery prices to go up. Americans are too damn fat and maybe it would help provide jobs for those who can't find them (oh shit, that's right, welfare pays them to sit on their ass and breed...this would mean that they'd have to work!). Oh, and they won't become the equivalent of the Palestinians in the US. Nope, never.

      WAKE THE FUCK UP! YOUR COUNTRY IS BEING INVADED IN SLOW MOTION!!!!!!

    15. Re:California get shafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would rather live in poverty infested shitholes? It must because those spic girls think you're loaded, you get cheap drugs and freon.

  2. Is it just me, or.. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Funny



    Does "Sharp Zaurus" sound like something a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger would have?

    Cheers,

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    1. Re:Is it just me, or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just you.

    2. Re:Is it just me, or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My girlfriend tells me I've got a pretty sharp zaurus myself...

    3. Re:Is it just me, or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Your girlfriend mumbled that to me while she was choking on my regularly-shaped zaurus.

    4. Re:Is it just me, or.. by DarkZero · · Score: 3, Funny

      My first thought: A Mega Man X villain.

      "Storm Eagle! Volt Catfish! SHARP ZAURUS!!!"

    5. Re:Is it just me, or.. by bilbobuggins · · Score: 1
      hmm, it seemed much more like a cheese to me.

      yes sir, i'd like the turkey and Mild Zaurus on rye please

    6. Re:Is it just me, or.. by beowulf_26 · · Score: 1

      Not really, but it tends to worry me more than a "Blunt Zaurus".

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  3. Hollings by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    I sort of was suspicious that Hollings, the man who would give us the SSSSSSSSSSSCA (how ever many S's that is) would suddenly introduce a bill that would make sense to technologists.

    So I'm feeling redeemed that someone found a "gotcha" in the fine print of the new bill.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:Hollings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollings coming up with a privacy bill should have left everyone suspicious. The Irish have a saying - never bolt your door with a boiled carrot.

      (Fox: "No problem, I'll watch the henhouse.")

    2. Re:Hollings by jhines · · Score: 2

      He should have the non-private information in his life posted to the 'net, then he can see and feel the effects of his proposed legislation.

      After a few questions at a press conference about his personal shopping habits, he should wise up fairly quickly.

  4. Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I was at Microcenter today. In the clearance section of the book department were stacks of Gates's book Business @ the Speed of Thought -- two bucks a pop and no takers. I wonder who the F**K thought up that corny title. It probably was an MS think tank composed of 100K/year MBAs.

    But for his money, why anyone would care about Gates's thoughts on anything is beyond me. He is sort of like a third world despot with a couple nuclear weapons. If it weren't for the weapons, no one would give a flying F**K what he had to say. I'm mean, hey, it's not like Gates is an Einstein. Say what you will about Richard Stallman, people listen to RMS for his provocative ideas, not because he wields some great financial power.

    1. Re:Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a point when people DID listen to Hitler for his provocative ideas. No harm done there.
      It's when he invaded Poland that people stopped listening and started shooting.

    2. Re:Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No harm done? Tell that to the Jews.

    3. Re:Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It really depends on your time scale. For one thing, Hitler was anti-communist. Stalin was responsible for about 30 to 40 million dead in labor camps and purges. China's Mao is thought to have been responsible for 60 million dead under his regime. And a total of about 55 million are the number of dead killed during WWII.

      So even if we take the Jewish claims about number of their tribe who were killed, we still are ignoring 50 million non-Jews killed during the war, a ratio of about 10 to 1. Additionally, about 110 Million were killed under Soviet and Chinese regimes. Where are the memorials to these dead? In comparisson, the numbers claimed by the Jews are small potatoes.

    4. Re:Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did, but they wouldn't listen. They just screamed some shit about being anti-Semitic and called me a Palistinian terrorist.

      Those bastards.

    5. Re:Gates is delusional by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 1

      Of greater significance, however, is the percentage of Jews that were slaughtered. Yes, there are many non-Jews that were killed, far more than Jews, but at the same time there's like a 500:1 ratio of non-Jew to Jew. A majority of European Jews died in WWII. Can you say the same thing about European or American or Oriental or whatever non-Jews?

    6. Re:Gates is delusional by Thatman311 · · Score: 1

      Yes but if me or my sister was killed then the percentage of my parents children that were killed will be higher than the small 500:1. We are talking about 50% of my parents children were killed. You see the problem with the number you spouted is perspective. A human is a human is a human...I don't care if they Jewish, Catholic, Black, White, Green, Purple, etc...lots of people died in WWII and trying to say my people were hurt worse than your people is like trying to put a value on a human life when you can't put a value to human life as human life is priceless.

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    7. Re:Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, everyone knows that some people are more important than others.

      It's not how many were killed, it's who was killed.

      Mustn't harm one of G_d's precious darlings, or he'll get angry and do something nasty to us.

  5. Privacy by EricBoyd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Privacy is one of those issues where you should watch what people do, not what they say. Everyone *says* they value their privacy online and off. But almost everyone also gives away their privacy for the smallest benefit - like 5% discounts at your local grocery store, in exchange for them tracking everything you ever buy from them...

    I'm convinced that until people actually start acting the way they talk, privacy online and offline will continue to get worse.

    **If you value your privacy, don't give it up for small discounts, or extra convenience, or anything!**

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    1. Re:Privacy by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 5, Informative

      **If you value your privacy, don't give it up for small discounts, or extra convenience, or anything!**

      Or even better, just lie to them.

      When my grocery store raised the prices 10% and then offered me a 5% discount if I'd get a membership card, I just lied on the application. According to my card, my 20something white male self is actually a 60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.

      The best way to sabatoge that kind of invasive system is to simply feed it bad data. Enough bad data in the database, and it becomes useless for predicting the buying habits of my demographic.
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    2. Re:Privacy by MrHat · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The Grocery Store Card HOWTO
      April, 2002
      1. Visit the store at the busiest time of day. At least around here, that's 5:30pm or so. Right after work, but before everyone goes home to sit on the couch, drink whisky, and generally get 'tore up'.
      2. Pick up a loaf of bread or similar staple food.
      3. Find the line whose length appears to be increasing the fastest. Typically, these are the 'express lanes'. They're not 'express' (nor really even 'lanes'), but people seem to think they're quicker.
      4. When you get to the very front of the line, ensure there's a line of angry customers wrapped all the way into the next aisle.
      5. As the total pops up, tell the cashier: "The manager told me you have those cards at this register." Point at the bread. "I need one for this." Glare back through the large line.
      6. Watch as the cashier succumbs to peer pressure and gives you a card from the stack in the bottom of his drawer. Not like he wanted your personal information anyway.
      I've done this on several occasions. In the stores that have the automatic cashier machines, you can cut out the barcode and just carry it. Give cards away to your friends, tape them to telephone poles, whatever floats your boat.

      Then delight in the fact that you've won, at least for the time being.
    3. Re:Privacy by ocie · · Score: 1
      exchange for them tracking everything you ever buy from them

      If you are worried about them knowing about a specific item, you can just not offer the card when you buy that item.


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    4. Re:Privacy by quokka70 · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to my card, my 20something white male self is actually a 60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.


      Why would anyone name all 6 of their children Frieda?

    5. Re:Privacy by chriso11 · · Score: 1

      Interesting point. Whenever I go to Safeway, I still use my safeway card. Why? Because I'm paying with my credit card - it wouldn't take too long for them to connect the dots. Basically, they already have a huge amount of info on my shopping habits - what is a little more?

      In fact, that is why I shop at Albertson's, because they don't have that damn club card.

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    6. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a redneck thing.

    7. Re:Privacy by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone *says* they value their privacy online and off. But almost everyone also gives away their privacy for the smallest benefit - like 5% discounts at your local grocery store, in exchange for them tracking everything you ever buy from them...

      When I give information to Safeway, I know exactly what information I'm giving them, I know they're tracking my purchases, and I know that if I don't want them to track a particular purchase, I can simply not use my card.

      What I don't know is whether Safeway might sell my personal information to a third party, without my awareness or consent. I'd like for this to be illegal unless I opt in.

      Aside from that though, I WANT Safeway to track my purchases. I want them to see what I buy. I know that the people collecting this data don't really care about me personally, I'm just a statistic - but I have no objection to being a statistic for them. What are they going to do, use my shopping habits to make my food more expensive? I don't think so.

      It's like the paranoia people have with targeted TV commercials. If targeted ads mean I see more commercials for IBM and Apple and Jack in the Box and Attack of the Clones, and I don't have to see commercials for tampons, I'm all for it. If tracking my purchases enables Safeway to sell me more of the food I want for less money, great.

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    8. Re:Privacy by EvlG · · Score: 2

      In fact, that is why I shop at Albertson's, because they don't have that damn club card.


      It's coming. A year ago, Alberton's here in Dallas was all "Club card savings without the card!".

      Fast forward one year. Now its "Albertson's Preferred Savings Card: a better way to save!"

      The first time I went into the store and saw the card, I left immediately. I haven't purchased anything there since.

      Raising the prices to get my personal information amounts to extortion, and I won't stand for it. Not to mention that even with the preferred club savings, the price is still above what it was before on many items.

    9. Re:Privacy by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmmm Krogers (midwest grocery) gave me 2 cards and 2 keychains. Let's see, one for my friend in Columbus, one for my sister in Dayton, two for me in Huntsville. That's odd on tuesday all he got was fruit/veggies/morning star hamburgers. On Wednesday he came back for 10 pepperoni and sausage frozen pizzas and 4-12 packs of cherry seven up. On Wednesday he came in for Milk, OJ, Bread, Lunch meat, hot peppers, and cheese. Hey, where does this guy live?

    10. Re:Privacy by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      But they can still link the club card to you via the info on your credit/debit card. Since the credit/debit card is more likely to contain your correct info, if I were running their IT, I'd set it up to automatically link the names or some such if the name on the club card didn't match the name on the debit card.

      This can be defeated if you regularly ask for a new card or swap cards with your friends. I've got Karl Marx on a Kroger barcode. Anyone wanna trade for him?

    11. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.

      Why would anyone name all 6 of their children Frieda?

      Well, as the the rascist joke goes ....

      A) Iff'n I wan't ta call 'em all Ize jist yell "Frieda!!".
      Q) What if you want to call just one of them?
      A) Ize uze they're last name!

    12. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a rebel! That'll show 'em. An - ar - chy! An - ar - chy! An - ar - chy!

    13. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Foremen named all 5 of his boys and his only daughter George.

    14. Re:Privacy by zulux · · Score: 3, Flamebait

      Why would anyone name all 6 of their children Frieda?

      They all have diferent last names.

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    15. Re:Privacy by Gulthek · · Score: 2

      Exactly! The above post is right on the money. In spite of what any paranoid people might *like* to think, they should realize that they are simply not that important. No, not even to your local grocery store. Just another datapoint. Datapoints are good, lots of datapoints are necessary but in no way individually interesting.

    16. Re:Privacy by zeno_2 · · Score: 2

      I can make those steps much quicker..

      I just go to the supermarket (this has worked at every place that has those cards) and when you get in line, and they ask if you have a 'club card' or whatever, pretend to look for it, and then tell them that you don't have it on you. 3 out of the 4 supermarkets that i go to will ALWAYS use a card they have at the register. The other one (safeway) uses a phone number, so I just enter my mom's phone number and I get the discounts.

      This has happened to me time and time again, and it works everytime. The cashiers really don't want to have to do anything extra, so its easier for them to use their own cards or a dummy card to get you thru.

    17. Re:Privacy by x24 · · Score: 1

      This is my son George Forman, and my other son George Forman and my daughter George Forman...

    18. Re:Privacy by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Informative
      But they can still link the club card to you via the info on your credit/debit card.

      So pay cash. It's not that hard, you know, and if you keep your receipt you can still have records of your spending habits. If you really value your privacy, cash is definitely the way to go.

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      There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    19. Re:Privacy by pben · · Score: 1

      Yea you can lie but all you purchases are still linked by the card. They can still follow your patterns of purchases over time. That is what they want to do. It is the trend that they are looking for.

      If they want your personal data they will tie in with a bank and give you a low interst rate credit card. Like one chain did where I used to live.

      Me I pay extra and in cash.

    20. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My name is Bond. James Bond. Address? 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC.

      I used to use G. Bush. Then it was B. Clinton. Nowadays it's back to Bush...

    21. Re:Privacy by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Lying doesn't work. All that does is not allow them to trace anything to you personally.

      What makes you think they care about you?

      What they are looking for with these cards is associations like:

      1. People who buy Reddenbocker's popcorn prefer Brand X Ice Cream
      2. People who buy generic milk do/don't buy generic soda.
      3. What do people buy when they just run in for a gallon of milk?


      They *MIGHT* pay attention to the racial/ethnic information you filled out, but knowing its accuracy is going to be *alot* lower than the computerized records of what was bought, they'd give alot less credence.

      here is an article coving a study to determine relationships like these.

      This information is used for product placement, promotional offers, and in negotiating contracts with suppliers.

      The ethnic information, though less accurate, is still going to be accurate enough to sway decisions for advertising and promotion...

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    22. Re:Privacy by cosyne · · Score: 2

      5% discounts at your local grocery store

      Or find one of the grocery stores that will link a phone number to the card, like the Vons and Ralphs chains is CA. Make up a number, or use the store's phone number, the microsoft piracy tip line, whatever. Then post it online, like so: 858 336 2714, and explain that it should work at ralphs, vons, safeway, pavilions, and some affiliated stores.

    23. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or tell the truth, but try not to match the demograhics. Sign up as a 20 year old white male, and give the spare cards to your friends - so suddenly you're buysing lots of stuff. Make sure to give a female friend a card - suddenly according to their database feminine hygiene products are the most popular items. Have fun!

    24. Re:Privacy by Chagrin · · Score: 1

      Mind you, all three of the examples you list don't require a "customer card". Simply examining single total purchases seperately would provide that information.

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    25. Re:Privacy by singularity · · Score: 2

      You are missing an importat point on this one - the type of informaiton you mention does not need a card following multiple purchases to do.

      In addition, the type of information you mention *does not really invade your privacy*.

      I did something else to further confuse the grocery people. In addition to lying, I gave out my extra cards to some people I know. They are not good friends, even, but do live in the same area I do so they use the same store I do.

      It would be very difficult for the store to find a decent pattern in our purchasing.

      I moved last fall. My current card is one that I found on the ground outside the store. I do not know who it belongs to.

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      - (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
    26. Re:Privacy by Wall,_The · · Score: 1

      Grocery Stores have nothing on me! For about a year my group of friends have been trading cards around randomly. Just the other day I got a card from a complete stranger in exchange for one of my friends. He promised to do the same thing. Their profiles will become more and more useless if they see "me" buying things in four different states, sometimes a woman other times a man.

      Start Swaping Cards!!

    27. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Having been one of the people who actually creates the software that uses that card data, I can tell you that, to a point, they don't really care if 10-20% of the people put in false data.

      As another person had stated, one of the main purposes of this is to tell what purchase associations are. ie: people will often buy just diapers and beer. And this sounds stupid, but that's one of the reasons that diapers are at one end of the store, and beer at the other... just like the bread and milk are all the way in the back. They want you to walk past as much product as possible every time you enter the store.

      Another reason for these cards is another way for manufacturers to offer coupons. They will do things such as: Pepsi giving 10 cents off to people who always buy their product, and 50 cents off to people who always buy coke. The people that will buy whatever, they don't give anything to.

      Where do I see this going? Eventually, the prices in the stores will be a higher than average price. They will see that if Coke is 90 cents per 2 liter, you will almost always buy it. So, the shelf price is 1.29, and they will give you a 40 cent coupon in the mail. I will buy it at a buck, so I get a 30 cent coupon. Now, the price on the shelf is 1.29 for all the people who refuse to get the cards, but they have also sold the product to me, and to you... and it all magically happend at the maximum price that each of us was willing to pay for it.

      Sick, eh?

    28. Re:Privacy by Rhinobird · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Karl Marx? Anybody got an Adam Smith? Thomas Paine? Well if you have a Marx, how about a Friedrich Engels? OOOh!!! A Nietzsche! I'll trade that for one of my Machiavellis...

      --
      If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
    29. Re:Privacy by Hector73 · · Score: 1

      When my grocery store raised the prices 10% and then offered me a 5% discount if I'd get a membership card, I just lied on the application. According to my card, my 20something white male self is actually a 60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.

      My friend's Dad has a good scam.

      He takes two carts with him through the grocery store. In one cart, he places items that his "card" gives him discounts on. In the other cart, he places all the other items. He has the cashier ring up the carts separately. He pays cash for the items in the card cart. He charges items in the other cart.

    30. Re:Privacy by Peter+Harris · · Score: 3, Funny
      Their profiles will become more and more useless if they see "me" buying things in four different states, sometimes a woman other times a man.
      It is illegal in most states to purchase either a woman or a man. Or were they senators?
      --

      -- What do you need?
      -- Gnus. Lots of Gnus.
    31. Re:Privacy by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      "The best way to sabatoge that kind of invasive system is to simply feed it bad data."

      The best way to sabatoge that kind of invasive system is to simply take your business elsewhere.

      And it isn't your grocery store. It is the shareholder's grocery store.

      --
      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    32. Re:Privacy by Grab · · Score: 2

      I refer you to the story about cloning above... ;-)

      Grab.

    33. Re:Privacy by FacePlant · · Score: 2

      I don't care how much info the grocery store tracks about me. If I save a buck a gallon on milk, amortized across three small children, that's a lot of money.

      Now apply that to other groceries.

      Sometimes it is a special value like the other night when out for maple syrup and paper napkins, I found milk discounted to 1.28/gal (limit 3). Thats's a 1.21 savings per gal. The $3.63 buys me two venti coffees and S*bucks on my way to work.

      Sometimes it is the difference between food being overpriced and reasonable. At that point, I get annoyed at the card system. Chciken, or milk should be affordable to everybody, not just card holders.

      So the store knows that I buy lots of milk, and often I buy Juicy-Juice, or Gogurt. Big deal. What does it cost me? Nothing. And I get those useless coupons at checkout-time, trying to entice me to buy Dole brand lettuce in a bag instead of FreshExpress brand lettuce in bag.

      Sometimes they even give me coupons for stuff I buy.

      Conclusions: Supermarket cards good. Fire bad.

      --
      My Heart Is A Flower
    34. Re:Privacy by wings · · Score: 1

      Aside from that though, I WANT Safeway to track my purchases. I want them to see what I buy.

      Exactly. Some of the items I purchase are occasionally hard to find, and/or low volume. If their tracking my purchase helps keep those items in stock and on the shelf in sufficient quantities for my needs, I'm all for it. It saves me from making several stops at different stores to get all the items I want.

      I do have some concerns about what they might do with the personal information they collect. But the information I gave them on the form to apply for the card was essentially the same information they could obtain when I pay by check or credit.

      I realize that I could pay by cash and be completely anonymous, but I average $700/month between the grocery store and Sam's, and I don't intend to carry around or store that much cash, and I don't want to make additional stops repeatedly going to the bank or ATM machine to pull out more cash. I've got little enough free time as it is.

      When I signed up for the cards, I knew exactly what information I was giving them, and it was all stuff they could obtain by other means without much creativity.

    35. Re:Privacy by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Is Frieda a mispelling of Freda - or is it deliberately a made-up name?

  6. Re:i'm ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...to have sex with Hemos

  7. Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't here oracle bitching about piracy every other day, perhaps big business are the good guys and lowly aint got no rights anymore consumers are all communists for indulging in free oses like linux.

  8. Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, or) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cocksmoker.

  9. Yep, it's late by rbeattie · · Score: 2


    2:26 a.m. here in Madrid, Spain by my clock (which is always a bit fast). The fact that I'm even CONSIDERING reading Bill Gates testimony says to me that I need to go take a pill and go to bed.

    Slashdot: The nightime sleep remedy.

    -Russ

    --
    Me
    1. Re:Yep, it's late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read trolltalk. Works every time.

    2. Re:Yep, it's late by BtAFMB · · Score: 1

      You're an AC, you are troll talk.

      --

      "I have fallen off the wagon, for I am a slave to tea."
  10. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ass-clown.

  11. What does bash have to do with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bash should be more associated with GNU utilities than with the Linux kernel.

    1. Re:What does bash have to do with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hello rms. who let you out of your cage?

  12. Something is rotten in Denmark, err, Ontario. by thesolo · · Score: 2

    From the Softfield website:
    We accept PayPal and Money Order payments for all our products, parts and services. Please contact vr3@softfield.com with the items you wish to purchase.

    Does that seem very shady to anyone else? Maybe I'm just overly paranoid, but whenever a company only accepts money orders and/or paypal, it makes me a little wary. Plus there is not one mention of an "ST VR3" on their site, just a picture of a VR3 "H2O" model.

    Personally, I think I'll pass and see if anyone else is brave enough to order and actually gets their PDA. Something about the combination of Paypal and the low low price tag make me cautious.

    Meanwhile, if anyone wants an Agenda VR3 and wants to be assured that they will receive it, Agenda Germany is still taking orders! Check out their site here (http://www.agendacomputing.de)

    1. Re:Something is rotten in Denmark, err, Ontario. by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Informative
      ...uhhh... and which company *makes* the VR3s for Agenda? Softfield. That's why they are also selling all the component parts for the unit as seperate items (you can email them and order just about any little fiddling bit, and they have prices listed for the screen, the case, etc.)

      It looks like most wholesale/manufacturers who dabble in direct sales... if you order low run chipsets or oddball components, this is pretty standard. If you approach them with a $5 million order, they'll handle you differently... like Agenda. I'm not worried about the unit itself, but I don't expect much support. On the other hand, the niftiest thing is that the sync CD only supports Linux. Anybody else notice that?

      --
      Evan

      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:Something is rotten in Denmark, err, Ontario. by HobbitGod42 · · Score: 0

      actually most places use paypal because its easy and free and secure. if they wanted to accept credit cards on their site they would need an SSL server. and many other things. probably need to make a new server just for the user database. so its cheaper for them to use paypal. or money orders.

  13. argh... by Iamthefallen · · Score: 3, Funny
    Also good for European insomniacs to start boring through.

    Aaargh, damn you slashdot, damn you!
    This will now be my 3rd pot of coffee today...local time: closing in on 2.30am

    --
    Wax-Museum Fire Results In Hundreds Of New Danny DeVito Statues
  14. Defaults matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    At the end of Mosfet's reply he says,
    The important thing to remember is because KDE is internally elegant it is trivial to change other things around. Application names, icon themes, widget styles, and so on are relatively minor issues that can be changed easily if users want it.
    I didn't use KDE for years because of the ridiculous defaults. Also, when something is by default there's a certain style interia that flows into applications in the environment.

    KDE 3 is the first version to actually be pleasant enough to look at. There was no good reason for it not to happen earlier, but the KDE environment was ugly by default, and KDE/QT applications followed suit.

    This isn't against Mosfet particularly, but as it was such an easy and superficial change it makes me wonder why in hell they didn't do it earlier.

  15. Hollings bill doesn't go far enough... by curunir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that if anyone should get how to deal with people's personal data, it should be someone who cares deeply about protecting the content industry.

    Simply put, my private data *is* property in the same way that N'Sync's newest crapfest is property. When I give my information to a company, it is analogous to the record label selling an N'Sync CD. I have given my information to them and they have limited rights as to what they can do with it. If they sell my data to another company, it's piracy in the same manner as if a consumer were to rip a cd and AIM it to his/her friend.

    I'm always amazed at the amount of corporate types who will rant about people pirating music/software/other content yet defend a company's right to use my private information however they choose. I'm also surprised by the number of people (much of the /. crowd, I'd imagine) who believe that there isn't anything wrong with trading copyrighted oggs/mp3s but will blast a company for doing something nasty with people's personal data.

    Pick one or the other. I'll take privacy.

    --
    "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
  16. Ugly Icons by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it just me, or is this whole thing about KDE being ugly a tempest in a teapot? I thought that it was quite clear from Mr. Decrem's comments that his biggest objection to KDE was that the icons were ugly, not that the software itself was in any way bad. He specifically said that he thought that KDE could improve itself a lot just by making the icons prettier. I'm inclined to agree, and I'll even admit that one reason that I chose (and since have stuck with) GNOME over KDE was that I thought that KDE just wasn't aesthetically pleasing. Is there really a need to write an elaborate reply article just to answer the complaint that the icons could use some work?

    --

    There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    1. Re:Ugly Icons by hdparm · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't think it's only icons. Overall, Gnome looks much smoother and easier on eye (just a personal feeling, of course). However, since the release of KDE3, combination that works best for me is Eggplant look (Gnome) + 'Slick' icons (KDE3).

      Great for us South Pacific insomniacs, although we're not going to check 42000 words of nicely indexed WG the 3rd's bullshit

    2. Re:Ugly Icons by pcardoso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      KDE should default to *everything* cool.

      Good Icons, window decoration, styles, fonts, everything, at the expense of more memory and cpu usage. A bit like windows, really, but simple and elegant, like windows 2000, not garish and irritating like XP.

      Like me, those who know how to change their desktop to look prettier, also know how to make it faster and with less eye-candy. The opposite is not always true, no matter how simple it can be done.

      I really like my kde3 desktop with Ikons and the Keramik style. It's gorgeous just to look at. It's not very fast, or snappy like windows2k feels on the same computer, but it's very beautiful, and nevermind that this is just release 3.0. I expect the same speed improvements as those that followed the 2.0 release.

      I really want the desktop icons to cast shadows on the desktop, a bit like Ximian Gnome does. I'm a coder and I would make it myself, but where to start in all those kde/qt source files?

    3. Re:Ugly Icons by rgmoore · · Score: 2
      KDE should default to *everything* cool.

      Exactly! Everyone seems to accept that there are prettier looking icon sets out there than the current defaults. Just change to a better looking set and the problem is solved. You could do this very easily at zero performance cost, as long as the new icons were the same size and graphics type as the current butt ugly set.

      Good Icons, window decoration, styles, fonts, everything, at the expense of more memory and cpu usage. A bit like windows, really, but simple and elegant, like windows 2000, not garish and irritating like XP.

      I'm not sure if I'd describe Win2000 as simple and elegant, though I think that the icons are a distinct improvement from the old NT set. The menus fading in instead of appearing is simply obnoxious. It looks cool the first time it happens, but after than it just slows me down waiting for the menu to show up. Turning menu fading off is the second thing I do with Win2000 when I start working on a new box, after setting the file manager to sane settings (classic style, open folders in the same window, show hidden files, always show extensions, use the toolbar, show full path, detail view).

      --

      There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    4. Re:Ugly Icons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the article? If the only thing Decrem hated was the icons, why did he spend millions writing a file manager when he could have spent far less money making new icons.

    5. Re:Ugly Icons by zenyu · · Score: 2

      I like KDE, I'd probably prefer coding in it since it's C++ instead of C. But Gnome is just much more pleasing to the eye; Even more so with Ximian.

      Probably the coolest thing for KDE is the Liquid theme, but even with that it just feels like the whole thing lacks polish.

      I still install KDE whenever a major version comes out. At some point I'm sure it will pass some milestone like Mozilla 0.9.8 or Mandrake 7.2 where I'll start recommending it to new users.

      I shoulda just said, "me too" huh?

    6. Re:Ugly Icons by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 2

      I think that part of the reason I turn in revulsion from KDE is that it stirs horrid memories of CDE. CDE was but ugly, and when I'm reminded of CDE, the latent CDE-trauma that scarred my brain makes the world look ugly. Thankfully, KDE is the only thing that reminds me of CDE.

      Similar symptoms can be observed every time I see mwm or a clone.

      -Paul Komarek

  17. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucktard.

  18. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shitmonger.

  19. PDA news requirements by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny
    In the words of a friend of mine, you can't mention the words Linux Portable Device without some knob saying how awesome it would be to have a "Beowolf Cluster of These".

    When they make Linux clusters out of cellular phones, that'll worry me. You could destroy a building by programming 15000 portable devices to beep at the same time.

    Just remember that the power to do so is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

    --
    /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
  20. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    turd burgler

  21. This is my... by Noel · · Score: 1

    sister Frieda, and this is my other sister Frieda, and...

    <shriek>

  22. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit still steaming from the heat of the ass it came out of.

    Aint that a pretty picture.

    Just thought I'd toss that into the mix.

  23. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fudge packer

  24. French by Mt._Honkey · · Score: 1

    I always thought it was "De gustibus non disputandum est." At least, that's why my high school philosophy teacher told me back in the day. And that bitch was never wrong... maybe.

    --

    Don't Bogart the fish sticks
    1. Re:French by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philosophy teachers are always wrong. I know, I'm one.

    2. Re:French by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the origional quote is in Latin, in which case the word order hardly matters.

    3. Re:French by ksymoops · · Score: 1

      The quote is latin and translates to: "It is not a debate about tasting." (or something like that). Don't flame too much if I get it wrong, I'm only in Latin I.

      --
      Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries
  25. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ass pirate

  26. Dolly Decay by BlackHat · · Score: 1

    So do we expect to see the same problems that Dolly the Sheep has had. Or did Dick(PK) nail it with replicants burning out quick?

    Might be more useful as vict^H^H^H^HClones be able to tell us what's going on. "My arm stopped working thursday at lunchbreak..." etc.

  27. Re:Wake Up!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree completely with the parent poster. We need to realize that you're either with us or you're with them. In order to keep America rolling, we need to fight terrorism with identification. Ellison's plan will ensure that no explosions ever again disgrace our holy soil.

    This is the dawn of a new age. We must fight the evils of Islam and keep our rights to their oil from being violated. However, I must emphasize that while fighting Islam, we must apply our laws against Islam equally and in the true tradition of our forefathers. If during our unfettered extinction of the Islamic people, we fall into discriminatory practices, then the terrorists have already won.

    With that said, let's roll.

  28. RMS is also delusional by The+Evil+Beaver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reading the various documents by Stallman, I've come to the conclusion that he's every bit as delusional as Gates. To Gates' tinpot dictator, RMS makes a great Marxist revolutionary, but his tactics are flawed by petty things like the GPL.

    The GNU General Public License, to put it in one word, sucks. Much better licenses exist, ranging from the Mozilla Public License to the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License. Because of Stallman's inane "demand" (we'll call it) to use nothing but the GPL, or to assign all IP rights to his Free Software Foundation, he scares away many of those thinking that open source might be the solution they're looking for.

    It is perhaps best for the Open Source Revolution (if it still is a revolution) that both Microsoft (with Bill Gates) and the FSF (with Stallman) go away and never return.

    --
    Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk Meldstar Entertainment
    1. Re:RMS is also delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll nail them in Metamod if I see your post.

    2. Re:RMS is also delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. It's sad to think that such an enlightened crowd would be like the sheep in Animal Farm and follow a single party line, but i guess that's what herding does to people.

      It's true, for the most part at least, that regardless of the IQs of people in a crowd, the IQ of the crowd itself (let's consider the crowd as a single lifeform unto itself) is the sum of the individual IQs divided by the square of the number of people in the crowd.

      I guess that's what the pro-M$ trolls like so much about this place though, that they can get bright people to act like children. And cause the scripts to give me a 'time-out'. I guess that's what happens to people who aren't hardline as RMS.

    3. Re:RMS is also delusional by Xavier+Shirin · · Score: 1

      You seem to have a good point, but are not giving me enough details to reply intelligently to, so I will ask questions instead: Why is the GPL so bad? What, specifically, makes it inherently inferior to the other OSS licenses?

      --
      We do not cater to idiots.
    4. Re:RMS is also delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with the GPL is that it does not mesh well with business interests. In these messed up times, the opinions of the corporations (big or small) must be respected and listened to, whether we agree with them or not.

      RMS, at least in my opinion, appears to have an agenda to destroy, or at least maim, every business in existance. While it's a noble goal, it's completely realistic -- these days we must coexist with businesses, thanks to the past blunders of governments over 100 years ago. To do otherwise would be to doom ourselves.

      For the mean time, we need a transitional stage from the traditional closed-source system to our open-source one. Jumping directly from the usual EULAs to the GPL isn't accepted by business, but there are licenses, on various levels, that allow businesses to keep what they have and still be part of the open source community.

      Business interests will probably never go away. But if we play their game, and skillfully, we can eventually make them better than they are now. Those of us who are moderates understand this; those hardliners, like RMS, don't.

      It's in the beginning of this journal entry by me: Think you're anonymous on Slashdot? Well, think again! The later half merely details some troubles I'm having with Slashdot (which is why this is being posted as AC).

      The Evil Beaver

    5. Re:RMS is also delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, screwed up the link. Here is the proper one (I hope).

      The Evil Beaver

  29. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cockgobbler.

  30. Private and Not by tom's+a-cold · · Score: 1

    The way things stand now, it's a very simple dichotomy, really. Owned by a big corporation -> private property forever. Owned by you -> public domain, until the big corporation aggregates it for resale, at which point it becomes theirs. From the corp's' view: what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine too.

    I agree that recognizing a person's ownership rights in the data stream that they generate when going about their everyday life should become the core of future privacy laws.

    Meanwhile, I'm putting a EULA on my bitstream.

    --
    Get your teeth into a small slice: the cake of liberty
  31. Fuck off, Klerk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stop being so lame. if you want to troll, do so properly. that shit only makes people want to beat the shit out of you.

  32. mp3's could help by jdkincad · · Score: 1

    The music industry is making a big mistake in trying to prevent people from downloading mp3s and such. If people are able to hear a couple songs from an album and they like it their probably more likely to buy it. Would you buy a book if all you know about it were the chapter titles? Or to carry the analogy to the extreme, would you buy a car without test driving it?

    --
    The great advantage of having a reputation for being stupid: People are less suspicious of you.
  33. bin-Laden Clones??? by Radrik · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    "Italian Professor, Severino Antinori, told reporters that two of the women were from the former Soviet Rebublic, and one from an Islamic country."

    Is Prof. Antinori cloning Osamma???

  34. Catching up to Gnome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The shadows are just transparent parts of PNGs, they're not generated from the shape of the object. I think KDE supports them now. If it doesn't it's to do with the rendering of PNG/SVG icons in KDE.

  35. Timothy, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's spell "surprise" together.

    S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E

  36. I *LOVE* Americans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's BAN human cloning. It's immoral.
    But let's pump trailer park trash FULL OF FERTILITY DRUGS and watch them pop out septuplets and call it a MIRACLE.

    ALLELUJAH!!!!

  37. Just what we need! by deadhammer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Science greatly ups my odds of reproducing

    That's just great! We're already running 6 billion, by 2021 there'll be 7. That's what we really need: More people.

    Why can't we just work with what we got?

    --
    I'll be honest, we're throwing science against the wall to see what sticks. -Cave Johnson
    1. Re:Just what we need! by gailwynand · · Score: 1

      Clones have to be born just like "normal" kids. I doubt cloning will increase the population growth rate until some way to avoid "natural" births is found.

      I think the best thing that could eventually come out of this cloning technology is the growing of specific organs, appendages for replacement after they are damaged or aged . . .

      --
      A pilot, in those days, was the only unfettered and entirely independent human being that lived in the earth.-Mark Twain
    2. Re:Just what we need! by gregfortune · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why can't we just work with what we got?

      Have you taken a look around....
      ah, never mind ;o)

    3. Re:Just what we need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why can't we just work with what we got?

      Cause we have the wrong people breeding in the wrong places.

      Here me out before equating me with M. Le Pen: I'm not talking about genetics. It's about quality of life for the children you'll bring up. Consider a young husband and wife with high income living in a nice neighborhood in subarban America. Now consider the poorest conditions you can think of - "third world" country, scarce food, medical crises, little chance for a meaningful education. Which of these two situations is currently producing more children? A family in both situations has the same moral right to produce offspring, I'll grant you that ; but look at it from a purely pragmatic, utilitarian viewpoint. Which situation is more likely to produce offspring which will improve the condition of mankind? And before you rant about the moral depravity of high-income subarban America, consider that in order to really make an impact, you need an education, and in order to receive an education, you cannot work ten hours a day just to feed yourself.

      I came from a pretty rough background, and I'll tell you it's no picnic. I'm really lucky to be where I am now (I think a large part of it is due to the opportunity I had to learn English - other than my last name and the fact that I'm trilingual, you can't distinguish me from most Americans and I think this has really helped me overcome the xenophobia still rampant in the USA - but that's another story altogether). I'm now helping support my parents, but most of the people I grew up with don't have that chance. I actually don't know what happenned to most of them since I'm somewhat embarrassed/afraid to go back and look into it, but from what my parents tell me, things aren't going so well. By far, I wasn't the smartest among my peers, but I am probably the luckiest.

      If you want to solve the overpopulation problem, don't preach birth control to slashdotters, which are on the most part IT people living in occidental nations, who perhaps have schizoid tendencies. If you want to solve the overpopulation problem, improve the quality of life in the places that need it most : China, India, Africa and Eastern Europe (which is where I'm from if you're curious). It's more efficient and humane to spend your time opening up opportunities for the impoverished rather than telling the rich "Please don't have any more children." And the key to really making a difference is ensuring they receive a meaningful education, the prequisites of which are food and medicine.

    4. Re:Just what we need! by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      "That's what we really need: More people."

      Not just that, but *clones of Slashdot readers*.

      --

      It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    5. Re:Just what we need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The high income American suburbanites are selfish. Having lots of kids would cut into their time and money for lots of gadgets, cars, etc. They would rather have one or two kids, spoil them rotten, given them material things instead of attention, and then wonder why their 'good kid' shot up the local high school. The not so funny aspect of this, is that they are participating in the decline of their culture. They aren't reproducing fast enough and because of govt social programs, the taxes on their offspring and grandchildren will be astronomical and/or the govt will drop any immigration laws to sustain the economy and the country will be flooded with 3rd world immigrants who care nothing for the existing culture. It only exists to feed them until they become the dominant force via faster reproduction and then it will be replaced with their own. Blending into the current dominant culture is a thing of the past. Political correctness rewards balkanization and the fastest growing 'minority' will brush aside the others into the dustbin of history.

      The same can be said for Europe. If the current trends continue, in 50-100 years, the N. America and Europe will be indistinguishable from Latin America or the Middle East/Northern Africa. History has shown that cultures with low birthrates will eventually get overwhelmed or subverted by those high birthrates.

    6. Re:Just what we need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I already have a twin, can I use him for spare parts?

      Mom says, "You can *not* use people for spare parts! Not even your identical twin!"

      DAMNIT, I never get to have any fun! *pouts*

    7. Re:Just what we need! by Zeekamotay · · Score: 1

      > That's what we really need: More people.

      Easy for you to say, you've already been born...

  38. To the idiot who modded this down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you on crack or something? It's entirely true. Stallman is a horrid person to be leader. We should be under the banner of ESR, Linus, or even Larry Wall. Those three are actually sane, competent people who truly make open source shine.

    For all we know, behind the closed doors of the FSF, they plot to turn themselves into another Microsoft. Where will you all be then, huh?

  39. Re:Wake Up!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you have no privacy

    Truer words were never spoken. I bet the tinfoil hat wearing slashbot that started this loves his Kroger card, his bank debit card, and all his little conveniences, little understanding that the fact that he disables cookies does absolutely nothing for him.

  40. Here's another idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't want them to track you then don't use the card. How hard is that. The discount you receive by using the card is the store paying you for the privelege of tracking your purchasing habits.

    Its really kind of amazing to me that people get this worked up over someone keeping track of how many potatoes they buy or what kind of ice cream they like. Seriously, get a life. That line of reasoning is not rational or balanced. It always leads to the insipid slippery slope argument that implies that if you let them track your groceries today, then tomorrow they'll be putting a camera in your toilet.

    In short, I don't care if companies what to track this type of information. I don't consider it critical private information. I don't believe that it will lead to an eventual erosion of privacy involving more critical information. I buy my gorceries in public, I don't expect a total lock on my privacy in public places. If you want total privacy then buy a shack in Montana, grow your own food and stfu.

  41. ... Damn.. by Fixer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is what happens when fucked up notions of morality get in the way of science. I would so DEARLY love to know how they have overcome the various aging issues with current (public) cloning techniques. But of course, in the current climate, were the researchers to step forward, their careers (and possibly their lives) would be over.

    Why on earth do people freak so badly over this concept? A clone (theoretically) is no different than an identical twin. It is a fetus until birth, and thence a person. Done. Are identical twins truly identical people? No. Could this offer tremendous hope for both stem cell research and infertility? Yes.

    I do not buy objections based on religion. I do not buy objections based on overpopulation.

    So what's the big freaking deal?

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    1. Re:... Damn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [dark and gloomy night, raing pouring down on the tall ominous buildings.]
      a man steps up to a small round car. inside, two men are waiting. the trunk opens. the buyer approaches, examines the package. body parts, on ice. with this, he'll be able to solve the disease problems of the world. he'll be able to experiment, quietly, in his laboratory, on true human flesh and bones. and nobody will be the wiser. it may look like parts of ol' Teddy -- but it's not. Teddy's at home, doing just fine. In fact, his favorite show is about to start. So what's wrong with this picture?

      Nothing. Nothing, as long as you're not one to think human life, individuality, has value. Heck, there's no good reason to believe that. But most people do -- the freaks. They seem to think that even a copy of themselves is alive, with its own rights to govern its life however it likes. Odd that, it's just them. The clone could be living the life, too. They could be the experiment. But they're not -- they're comfy.

      Just one problem -- the Teddy sitting at home is 3. His body started over, his mind did too. They forgot to warn him. The clone got to live -- after all, he's too old now.

      Body parts. A liver. A foot. Hmmmmm, and the researcher's favorite -- the brain. Lots of work to be done. Health to the rest -- clone or not. It's only a copy, or maybe only the original. None of it matters. We're not encrypted -- the DMCA doesn't protect us. Our genome is already owned and patented by its inventors in the industry. We are meat. Meat they can grow, experiment on, and then sell drugs to. Repairs. Upgrades. Tables, chairs, the works. We are cattle.

      Does it matter? Nah. Not really. Not to me anyway -- I'll be long dead. Maybe someone will be kind enough to clone me?

    2. Re:... Damn.. by s390 · · Score: 4, Flamebait

      Why on earth do people freak so badly over this concept? A clone (theoretically) is no different than an identical twin.

      Let me put this in perspective for you. Research with animal clones has shown them to be less hardy, prone to obsedity and other syndromes, and overall less healthy and shorter-lived. Now, ask yourself if you would really want to do this to... yourself. I personally think its unethical to do this even with animals. Even animals deserve dignity.

      How would _you_ like to be a clone? Imagine growing up knowing, or finding out later, that you're a replicant, and your death-clock is ticking faster than others'. Haven't you ever seen Blade Runner? I think outlaw researchers cloning humans should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity (their "products"), placed against a wall, and shot.

    3. Re:... Damn.. by gregfortune · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Let's say, for instance, that someone wanted to produce an army of blond haired blue eyed men to take over the world... Now, the biggest problem is getting the army built and to do that, children must be born. That could take a long time if you just used the population of one country (ie, the country struggling for dominance). But now let's suppose that you could offer to feed the women of an impoverished country if they agreed to carry a baby for nine months. Poof, population explosion.

      Or, let's say that the wealthy would like clones made of themselves and then when the clone reached a certain age, say 25, they would be killed and their bodies harvest for doner organs. By your own admission, these clones are real functioning people, but they could be in a situation where they are raised like cattle rather than like people. Don't believe me? Consider this, money talks, period.

      And the possible scenerios go on and on...

      Of course, it will probably happen and we can only hope that some kind of equal rights law gets passed someday, but even that probably won't prevent discrimination.

    4. Re:... Damn.. by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      I'd probably feel sorry for myself for awhile, then come to the conclusion that the other alternative would have been to never have existed at all. I had a lot of liver problems growing up. I sure didn't think at any time during it that it would have been better if I'd never been born though.

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    5. Re:... Damn.. by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 2
      Let me put this in perspective for you. Research with animal clones has shown them to be less hardy, prone to obsedity and other syndromes, and overall less healthy and shorter-lived.

      This is true, but lawmakers seem intent on banning cloning permanently, even if the problems with it are solved. Many are even against therapeutic cloning, which doesn't involve creating a new person at all, just cell cultures.
      How would _you_ like to be a clone? Imagine growing up knowing, or finding out later, that you're a replicant.

      I've read about adopted children who find out later in life that they are twins. Mostly they seem intent on finding their twin. I haven't heard about it being traumatic.
    6. Re:... Damn.. by jred · · Score: 1

      Lobotomize them, use them for organ donors. They're godless clones, right? Soulless bastards? So it's not really like killing them.

      I have no real opinion on clones. Let them do what they want. I really don't care.

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    7. Re:... Damn.. by bitflip · · Score: 1

      How would _you_ like to be a clone? Imagine growing up knowing, or finding out later, that you're a replicant, and your death-clock is ticking faster than others'?

      The same as when I realized I wasn't immortal.

    8. Re:... Damn.. by hoeferbe · · Score: 1
      I had a lot of liver problems growing up. I sure didn't think at any time during it that it would have been better if I'd never been born though.

      That was by chance, though, not planned. I find it repugnant to purposely create new human life with a known health problem. That human's life is his or hers -- not some scientist's to experiment with.

    9. Re:... Damn.. by hoeferbe · · Score: 1
      This is true, but lawmakers seem intent on banning cloning permanently, even if the problems with it are solved. Many are even against therapeutic cloning, which doesn't involve creating a new person at all, just cell cultures.

      It may be your opinion that it doesn't create a "new person", but how about looking at it from a scientific point of view instead of a religious/philosophical one? "Therapeutic" cloning creates a new human being, not "just cell cultures". All humans, at all stages of development, deserve basic dignity and rights.

      To quibble over whether a particular human is a "person" or not is a religious/philosophical debate that really has no place in such a scientific/medical discussion. To do so would return to the reasons southern U.S. citizens felt justified in owning other human beings during the 1850's. They weren't "people", after all.

      Personally, I find the term "therapeutic" cloning to be one of those buzzwords created by public relations specialists trying to put the most positive spin on a horrendous act of taking human life for selfish gains.
    10. Re:... Damn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:... Damn.. by Fixer · · Score: 1
      That was by chance, though, not planned. I find it repugnant to purposely create new human life with a known health problem. That human's life is his or hers -- not some scientist's to experiment with.

      So you are against individuals with genetic disorders from getting together and having kids? By that logic, only those people whose DNA can guarentee at least 'average' results should breed, no? Which is one of the reasons I am all for genetic engineering, if I can maximize my offspring's chances of survival and happiness, I'll do it.

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    12. Re:... Damn.. by Fixer · · Score: 1
      Or, let's say that the wealthy would like clones made of themselves and then when the clone reached a certain age, say 25, they would be killed and their bodies harvest for doner organs. By your own admission, these clones are real functioning people, but they could be in a situation where they are raised like cattle rather than like people. Don't believe me? Consider this, money talks, period.

      "The Clonus Horror", is the film you are describing. And were such a thing to occur, I'm quite certain all parties involved would suffer a backlash of unprecedented proportions. But in reality, they are looking for ways to grow single organs, as it is far more efficeint than keeping a complete person around. This objection is the stuff of cheap films.

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    13. Re:... Damn.. by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      The reasons you have cited are why my personal code of ethics causes me to oppose cloning with current technology. However, none of those issues is necessarily going to be an issue forever as the technology improves. I would like to convince people that there's nothing inherently immoral or evil about cloning, as long as it is done humanely. i.e., you don't clone a person and use them for spare parts or slave labor, and you don't do it if the effects you cited occur. Also, you don't create a batch of babies (embryos), select a few, and kill the rest. I support any effort to socially legitimize cloning once those obstacles are overcome. The question is, can we do research to move past those obstacles without utilizing the faulty cloning technology we have today and creating "prototypes" that will be subject to the conditions you cited?

    14. Re:... Damn.. by Fixer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It may be your opinion that it doesn't create a "new person", but how about looking at it from a scientific point of view instead of a religious/philosophical one? "Therapeutic" cloning creates a new human being, not "just cell cultures". All humans, at all stages of development, deserve basic dignity and rights.

      Oh, really? Fascinating. On the one hand, you say we should maintain a scientific mindset, and then you foul it all up with notions of "basic dignity and rights". Show me a 'scientific' argument for dignity and rights, and I'll show you a philosophic statement.

      To put this another way, what you are saying is that each and every cell of our bodies, because it could theoretically become it's own person, deserves all of the protections and rights afforded to full human beings. Great idea! No, seriously. Next time someone's DNA is used against them in a court case, one could then bring charges of mass murder against the lab that performs the testing.

      Your position is neat, but untenable. Personhood is not a question of embodiment, or at least, it shouldn't be. I mean, the first Aliens we meet and we can legally (try to) enslave them. Riiiight.

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    15. Re:... Damn.. by gregfortune · · Score: 2

      But in reality, they are looking for ways to grow single organs

      Of course, but that does away with the need for full scale cloning for organ transplant. So what really is the purpose? Just because we can? Sorry, I'm too cynical to buy that one.

    16. Re:... Damn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think of another very possible case:
      what will happend to unsuccessful clones?
      say you have a clone without hands and legs,
      or without eyes, or whatever. what do you expect
      the cloners to do with them? sell the good organs?
      kill it? or leave it living? which is good?
      how much such clones will you have?
      how much of them will be murdered before the
      reproduction technology will sustain?
      it is inhuman

    17. Re:... Damn.. by Shardis · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'm not meaning this as a flame, but have some clue in what you're talking about before you post.

      "Therapeutic" cloning creates a new human being, not "just cell cultures".

      So cloning a kidney is wrong because you're making a "new human being"? Hrm, I wonder if my kidney were removed, if it'd be able to vote or if it'd have human rights. Just assuming that a clump of cells is "human" just because it comes from a human is just ridiculous.

      To quibble over whether a particular human is a "person" or not is a religious/philosophical debate that really has no place in such a scientific/medical discussion.

      Quite right, but try to remember that yourself.

      Ah....now I see, trolled again...

    18. Re:... Damn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make me think of what I just read in GURPS: Transhuman. Clone someone, but don't let the brain develope, put in your own. When can I have my own love slave?

    19. Re:... Damn.. by autopr0n · · Score: 2

      Let's say, for instance, that someone wanted to produce an army of blond haired blue eyed men to take over the world... Now, the biggest problem is getting the army built and to do that, children must be born. That could take a long time if you just used the population of one country (ie, the country struggling for dominance). But now let's suppose that you could offer to feed the women of an impoverished country if they agreed to carry a baby for nine months. Poof, population explosion.

      Um, the technology to do that has existed for centuries, it's called 'selective breeding' Using selective breeding on humans is called 'eugenics' and was fassionable in the 1930's, especialy in germany. What's your point.

      If you're willing to forgo blond hair and blue eyes, you can build an army with traits that actualy matter just by choosing a few good donor men and a resonable number of 'good' (geneticaly) women to be impregnated by them (say 1 to 20). You can get a huge number of kids from just one dude

      Or, let's say that the wealthy would like clones made of themselves and then when the clone reached a certain age, say 25, they would be killed and their bodies harvest for doner organs. By your own admission, these clones are real functioning people, but they could be in a situation where they are raised like cattle rather than like people. Don't believe me? Consider this, money talks, period.

      A person might use there computer to pirate a DVD, lets ban computers!

      A person might use their penis to rape someone, lets ban penii!

      Or, we could be sensible and ban whatever it is thats actualy wrong, rather then an enabler.

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    20. Re:... Damn.. by Saeger · · Score: 2
      Also, you don't create a batch of babies (embryos), select a few, and kill the rest.

      in vitro fertilization of genetically selected embryos already happens with current technology. What's so immoral about selecting healthy genes over diseased ones? In fact, I'd argue that it'd be immoral to knowingly allow a non-sentient-clump-of-diseased-cells to develop into a miserable human.

      IMO, Human life begins with a conscience -- which a few cells certainly don't have the capacity for -- and not at conception, and not at Trimester 3, and not even at birth (*gasp*). A baby doesn't recognize itself in the mirror until about 18 months, but I wouldn't advocate "selecting" newborns because of the much much much stronger empathy factor for anothers life at this point. I'm not a psychopath ya know. :)

      (btw, you should change your sig, the /. blackout is over.)
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  42. KDE name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pretty clear that most KDE developers did not come from the deep south. I can't look at all those K words without thinking about the Klan.

    It seriously does bother me.

    1. Re:KDE name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't wait for the KDE Konfiguration Kontrol app or the Konqueror Kvio Knowledge-base document.

  43. Bill Gates is an asshole by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 1, Informative

    'nuff said

  44. Gates Testimony highlights, part one [long!] by phossie · · Score: 1

    for some reason i feel the need to pull certain of mister gates' statements for closer inspection. this covers paragraphs 1 through 223 (i have to stop, ugh) - i think most of us are capable of finding the bugs in each of these statements. this is not to say that there is no valid argument in the entire document; a lot of the issues he raises are really ugly and bear consideration. i'm coming to the conclusion that the states are going about this the wrong way, and that unless there's a miracle of some sort, no one (except perhaps microsoft) is going to get what they really want. (my opinion? it's all about the API's.)

    false assumptions: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/mswitness / 002/billgates/billgates.asp

    32. In view of the close interrelationships among PC hardware and software products, the industry is often referred to as the PC ecosystem. Microsofts Windows operating system is a key component of the PC ecosystem, and thus the health of the ecosystem depends in substantial part upon the continued health of and improvements to Windows.

    47. To make computing more pervasive, the industry needs to build systems that excel in availability, reliability and security, which I call Trustworthy Computing. Today the PC ecosystem falls short in all three respects. Internet connections may fail, software programs may crash, and viruses may infect any computer that interacts with any other. Even when working as designed, computers remain too hard to use. Absent sustained effort to attack these engineering challenges, the problem is likely to get worse, not better, as the computing environment becomes ever more complex with greater interoperation of a broad range of devices via the Internet and other networks.

    49. Three overarching aspects of Microsofts business and technology model are imperiled by the NSPR: (i) the considerable benefits provided by Microsofts ongoing development of successive versions of Windows as consistent, well-tested, well-supported platforms for software development; (ii) Microsofts efforts to promote the development of a broad range of hardware and software products that interoperate well with one another; and (iii) the central role played by intellectual property protection in providing an incentive for Microsoft to invest capital, time and energy in software development. I discuss each of these in turn.

    82. A third key aspect of Microsofts successful development and promotion of its Windows operating system products that is imperiled by the NSPR is the work Microsoft does to test thoroughly each operating system product it releases. Our testing work is not glamorous, but it is essential to the success of Windows in the marketplace.

    94. We work to enable interoperability because the market demands it. Proof of our success is provided by the large number of products that interoperate with Windows today, including server software from Sun and Novell and, of course, tens of thousands of Web sites that run on various versions of UNIX and are accessible from Windows-based PCs.

    96. As in any area of technology, room for improvement always exists, and Microsoft is working hard to continue to enhance interoperability in a wide variety of ways. Among other things, we are continuing to build support for industry-standard protocols and other industry-standard technologies into Windows, thereby enhancing interoperability between Windows and non-Windows operating systems. For this and other reasons, Windows XP provides greater opportunities for interoperability than did Windows 2000, and Windows 2000 provided greater opportunities for interoperability than its predecessor, Windows NT 4.0. The NSPR would frustrate our efforts in this regard by authorizing OEMs and others to remove technologies, including support for basic Internet standards like HTML and HTTP, from Windows that are essential to broad interoperability.

    103. As shown in Appendix A, Microsoft has steadily increased the number of protocols supported in Windows that it makes available to developers, enhancing interoperability with each new release. We will continue to do so in the future.

    104. I understand that the non-settling States believe the Court should enter a disclosure remedy in this matter directed at permit[ting] rival software to achieve interoperability with Microsoft software . . . . (Plaintiff Litigating States First Amended Proposed Remedy, March 4, 2002 at 12.) Section 4 of the NSRP would mandate an extraordinarily broad disclosure of technical information concerning Windows interfaces and protocols. Yet, all the disclosure imaginable will do little to promote interoperability if, as Sections 1, 2 and 7 provide, OEMs and others are free to remove the software that supports the disclosed interfaces and protocols from Windows. If software code is removed, the APIs and protocols supported by that code are removed as well.

    116. For the reasons set forth in Section III, the utility of Microsofts disclosures of technical information described above would be greatly reduced if the NSPR were in effect. Among other things, Microsoft would be obligated to devote massive resources to documenting thousands of internal interfaces within Windows that are neither intended nor tested for use by external developers rather than focusing upon delivering documentation that developers actually need to make products that work well with Windows. Even more fundamentally, the NSPR would greatly reduce Microsofts incentive to invest in innovation, so that there would be fewer innovative technologies in the future that would be of any interest to developers.

    121. Microsoft would be prohibited from providing information and obtaining feedback via the Open Review Process if the NSPR were in effect. Section 4, read in conjunction with the definition of Timely Manner (Section 22.pp), appears to require that Microsoft disclose technical information to the industry generally (ISVs, IHVs, etc.) at the same time that information is disclosed to any third party. It is not practical to disclose information concerning a new technology to the industry at large before specifications for the new technology have even been prepared, much less before significant development work has been undertaken.

    130. I believe that the NSPR would greatly reduce Microsofts incentive and ability to develop and deliver new technologies to the marketplace. The consequences would be three-fold. First, all those who build upon or otherwise benefit from Microsofts heavy investment in developing new technologiesOEMs, ISVs and the businesses and consumers who use our softwarewould be harmed. With the loss of the positive feedback benefits provided by Windows, the marketplace would experience higher prices and less innovation.

    131. Second, Microsoft would be greatly devalued as a company. Microsofts market capitalization is based on the markets well-founded belief that Microsoft is on a path to deliver a wide range of breakthrough technologies that will generate new sources of revenue.

    150. Section 22.w is also very broad because it is not limited to software platforms that run on a PC and thus can provide a substitute for PC operating system functionality. For example, Section 22.w states that a network operating system is an example of middleware, but such products run, by definition, on servers, not on PCs. (Novell is the only company I know of that markets what it calls a network operating system.) For many years to come, however, the thousands of applications that run directly on Windows-based PCs today will continue to run on PCs. For that reason, server operating systems, set top box software, and other software that doesnt run on PCs will not commoditize Microsofts PC operating system software.

    160. For example, Section 4 imposes broad obligations on Microsoft to disclose a wide range of technical information concerning interfaces in Windows for the stated purpose of promoting interoperability with Windows. Yet Sections 1 and 2 authorize third parties to remove large portions of Windows, including software that supports the interfaces that must be disclosed under Section 4. If OEMs remove software that supports APIs, disclosure concerning those APIs is not going to promote interoperability. The APIs will not work if the software is removed and developers will be much less likely to use them if that is a possibility.

    161. Similarly, Section 16 establishes circumstances under which Microsoft is obligated to comply fully with certain industry standards in Windows (and other products). Once again, Microsoft would be unable to provide any assurance that its operating systems actually comply with industry standards (so that developers writing applications for Windows could rely upon those standards) if third parties were free to remove the software that implements the standards. If an OEM exercises its right under Sections 1 and 2 to remove Microsofts Web browsing software, for example, Windows will no longer comply with the HTTP standard (and other Internet-related standards), in apparent violation of Section 16.

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    1. Re: Gates Testimony highlights, part one [long!] by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful


      > 94. We work to enable interoperability because the market demands it. Proof of our success is provided by the large number of products that interoperate with Windows today, including server software from Sun and Novell and, of course, tens of thousands of Web sites that run on various versions of UNIX and are accessible from Windows-based PCs.

      Gee, isn't that a high standard for "interoperability"! I mean, wow, you can view Web pages served from other operating systems, woo-hoo.

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  45. Cheaper is than, cheaper does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Cinema Guild website will be e-commerce ready by June 1. If you would like to order a copy before June 1, The Cinema Guild will take your order over the phone: (800) 723-5522 or (212) 685-6242. dvds for home use are $59.95. vhs copies (for home use) are available for $79.95."

    Let's see. The DVD's are *cheaper* than the VHS's. How's that for a change?

  46. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Testicle-shitting rectal-wart

  47. I'm critically ambivalent by Eponymous,+Showered · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably a must-read.
    That's a screaming endorsement. I'm critically ambivalent about whether to follow it. I'm bristling with excitement that it may be somewhat non-boring.
  48. Softfield cutting Agenda out? by CamelTrader · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Visit the Agenda page. Now click on the "BUY IT!" button. You will see that the VR3 retailing for $250.00. Another note at the bottoms warns you "available after June 1, 2001".

    So, is Softfield doing their own thing with this? Or has Agenda kicked the bucket and forgotten to update their web page?

    [QVC GUY]: How can the savings be THIS PHENOMENAL?? how can Softfield undercut Agenda by nearly ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS??

    Anyone know?

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    1. Re:Softfield cutting Agenda out? by Jay+Carlson · · Score: 3, Funny
      Probably because agendacomputing.com is a ghost site, not actually belonging to a functioning US company.

      For you Boy Scouts out there: Please don't go pestering the web hosting company. There's useful stuff around in various staff member home directories. I think it's all been mirrored now, but still.

      If you bring down the site, I will personally stand outside your house with a megaphone, and appropriate gesutures, shouting:

      "IMAGINE A BEOWULF CLUSTER OF THIS!"
    2. Re:Softfield cutting Agenda out? by marxmarv · · Score: 2
      The price of a piece of consumer electronics is ideally roughly 3x the time and materials that went into the assembly (not counting engineering time, overhead, etc.). You can shave some costs by using or modifying an existing design and Linux port, using offshore R&D talent, and using cheaper materials (wasn't there a flash shortage not too far back?). Looks to me like Softfield is doing all three.

      -jhp

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  49. Re:Perpetual Insult Thread (was re:Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smegma-spewing ding-dong

  50. Need Undocumentados? Propaganda! by cmholm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More facts about illegal aliens:

    1) The kids are filling schools to the bursting point, requiring more support than their parents indirectly paid taxes begin to cover.

    2) Since they avoid the medical system as long as possible, they eventually cram the emergency rooms and increase the system's budget deficits.

    3) They artificially drive down the going price for labor in an ever expanding sphere of occupations. I don't see many artichokes in bulk mail shops, fast food joints, non-ag warehouses, or janitorial operations, to name a few. They ARE good workers, and that's just the point. Af_Americans were a pretty good labor value when THEY were bought and sold, too. By your logic, if wholesale chattel slavery keeps the lettuce from rotting, it's a good deal.

    4) They take pressure away from the fat cats in Mexico and Central America to do much about their own inequities.

    5) Sure, if you ripped every last undocumented worker out of their job tomorrow, it'd screw things up. If I ripped every open border apologist out of their job, it'd screw things up too. When's the last time a labor market changed overnight? Right, never. The economy would adjust, probably for the better.

    Take your racial bull-baiting somewhere else. You want a reconquesta? Then give Mexico back to los indios.

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    1. Re:Need Undocumentados? Propaganda! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      cmholm wrote: When's the last time a labor market changed overnight?

      In the United States? December 7, 1941. Never underestimate the affect of 2 million workers signing up for (or getting drafted into) military service overnight (well... it actually took a few months) to rock the labor market. A similar (but more drawn out) process occured when the US demobilized.

      The point of a free labor market is that is supposed to be *free* (i.e. libre, as in speech). Putting artificial constraints (including immigration quotas) always causes inequities. Illegial immigrants do NOT artificially drive down labor costs (neither does corporations building off-shore factories). The labor costs were artificially driven UP by laws that limited the import of labor and the export of capital. This is one of the causes of the social inequities of the Mexican and Central American "fat cats".

      The problems with kids in schools and "cramming the emergency room" are also rooted in the fact that these people are, by definition, CRIMINALS under current law. "A guilty man flees where no one pursuith." It also causes them to be under-counted come Census time.

      Mind you, if the United States were to unilaterally lift all immigration quotas, the disruption to the global labor market would be similar to the effect of another World War (both for the US and for all the countries loosing their most mobile workers), so I'm not advocating that. A good middle ground is the promise (if not our current implementation) of a free global market for capital; if a worker in Mexico can do a job, and we don't want them to come here, the next best thing is to send the job (e.g. factory) there.

  51. I don't think Agenda is still shipping units by splorf · · Score: 1

    Agendas were sold at Fry's (on closeout I think) for $100 or so about 6 months ago. Frankly I can't think of many reasons to buy one. They're a cute piece of hardware but a dead end. Meanwhile, you can find developer Zauruses (similar to the retail version but with only 32 MB of memory instead of 64MB) on Ebay, typically closing in the $300 range.

  52. Hollings by carpediem55 · · Score: 1

    Best part...
    Maybe you're comfortable with being lost in a crowd of millions of Internet surfers, enjoying the same kind of anonymity an ant enjoys in his hive.
    But did you click on that suggestive banner ad out of random curiosity or because they gotcha?

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  53. VR3 as a network tester by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 2, Informative

    As soon as the VR3 gets ethernet ( the page says june ) I think I'll get one.

    Good network testers run for well over $500+, and their not even that hot That's why I still carry a laptop around

    A VR3, software like, tcpdump, slightly modified nic driver ( maybe, for an attempt at diagnosising hardware faults ), ping, traceroute, portmap, arp. Would be better than most of the testers I'm seeing right now. All for $150+price of NIC.

    The only issue is text entry. I don't think it would be all that bad, if a menu is made available to the user. So the user can click on "broadcast discovery", to discovery host by an ethernet broadcast, arp, then dns ( maybe ), or the user can store a list of known host. For people with small networks, or particularly troublesome servers, that would work well.

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  54. Microsoft could really screw the public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be just GREEEEAAAT if MSFT just said "Hey, we make enough money off of our office line, let's cancel Windows, and just sell office products and database/server products". It's not like they don't have enough money to do it. It would be a huge cut, but they could do it if the states keep bothering them. I wonder if they could change the EULAs, 'ahem' update the EULAs to make it illegal to even run anything before XP. Make it a manditory upgrade or something. I don't think they could, but, perhaps they could change the license to just a 1 year license for all existing products. That would really screw the public.

    I hate to be like this, but Microsoft does alot of good for the public as well. If all of a sudden there weren't any more copies of Windows sold at all, Dell, Compaq, et al, would be really screwed. Their tech support would have to find a new OS to support and train on it. Do we really want to be telling Jane and John Doe what chmod does over the phone? I bet people think that 'cat' would be a little thing that would run arround their screen instead of a real tool. Perhaps MSFT should just not sell in those states that are bothering them. Fair enough. The gov't would be screwed too. A compnay doesn't have to sell a program, they can if they want to. No more upgrades, nothing. All their programs written for MSFT os's would be screwed. Think, since you aren't 'supposed' to move an OEM copy to a new computer, once the old computers got antiqated, they would be screwed for OSes.

    Tibbon
    (not trying to troll)

    1. Re:Microsoft could really screw the public by karmawarrior · · Score: 1

      Their tech support would have to find a new OS to support and train on it. Do we really want to be telling Jane and John Doe what chmod does over the phone? I bet people think that 'cat' would be a little thing that would run arround their screen instead of a real tool.

      Do OS/2, BeOS, NextStep, or Atheos (to be really esoteric) require users use cat or chmod? Does OS/2 even have cat or chmod? Do Windows users have to use TYPE and ATTRIB? Doesn't Mandrake do a reasonable job at ensuring that such knowledge isn't necessary to use Linux?


      There are plenty of alternative operating systems out there, plenty of operating systems that are at least as, if not more, user friendly than Windows. Dell, Compaq, et al, will not need to search far to find them.

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  55. 640K Memory by chuckw · · Score: 3, Funny

    At 42,000 words, it's not neccessarily light reading, but to their credit, it is nicely indexed.

    Well it's good to know that his speech will fit in 640K of memory...

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    1. Re:640K Memory by Ian+Peon · · Score: 2

      Probably not if it were saved in Word format...

  56. Linux Toy? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

    I wonder how cheaply the VR3 could be produced in volume? At ~$50 they could sell them as toys and clean up at Christmas.

    Add an mp3 player and a CF slot and I want one.

  57. Don't Forget... by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To trade that card out with like-minded folks every so often. That'll further mangle the data in the database, leaving them with no idea what the hell the person regitered to the card is actually into.

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    1. Re:Don't Forget... by krane · · Score: 1

      Anyone be interested in an international resource for doing precisely this? Could be amusing; the Committee for Reduction of Analysis of Personal info.. or something of that ilk.
      Swap your safeway cards! Fake your demographic data! etc.
      Aside from the general spookiness of so much info. on you being stored, even if all this kind of information does is help target advertisements at you, that's bad enough.
      Dunno abt. you guys, but I adbuster by browsing, & mute the tv ads at home. There is occasionally one that grabs my attention, but they're rare.
      How irritating would it become if ALL the ads grabbed my attention... I'd never get _any_ of my uni stuff done. ;)=
      Or to put it another way; you know those irritating fake subject lines you get in spam designed to make you read them, despite the fact that they're from arsehole125323541234@hotmail.com? Imagine how much it would suck if instead of their usual generic 'About your order' or 'Just returning your mail' type bollocks, they were actually relevant...
      Say, "Has recovered?", or something... sure, if the overall amount of spam was reduced to relevant stuff only, that'd be lovely. Call me cynical, but I reckon its rather more likely that you'd get the same amount, but it'd be harder to filter out, one way or the other, which is the point of the advertisers' job, no?

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    2. Re:Don't Forget... by krane · · Score: 1

      erm, that should be 'has [insert sisters' name] recovered?' (it got stripped when I typed it as triangle braces)

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    3. Re:Don't Forget... by the_quark · · Score: 2

      I remember I was working at PGP when those cards first really hit. Obviously there were a lot of people there who thought about privacy. :) I remember someone there (heck, might even have been me) had the idea that, much like the "cypherpunks" login with the "cypherpunks" password (which, if you didn't know, is registered in many "registration only" sites, allowing you to login without actually bothering to register), we needed a cypherpunks phone number at Safeway. That way, we could say, "650-555-1212" and get the 5% discount. For those of you who don't know about Safeway, you can enter your phone number as a "key" to get the discount. You can also tell the clerk your phone number, if you're too stupid to type it on the pad, and I've always enjoyed being there at 2AM and seeing the tall, leggy blonde announce her phone number for all to hear.

      I then started thinking about the reports that computer was going spit out, because the vast majority of people who would do that are male programmer types (with a handful of women). "Bob! Look at this guy! Last week he purchased 372 liters of Mountain Dew, 27 frozen pizzas, 39 copies of Playboy and one box of Maxi Pads!"

      During this time I militantly refused to get such a card and give up my privacy for something as minor as a 5% discount. However, my wife went ahead and applied, but somehow managed to get our phone number wrong. I remember at one point I was buying some beer that was like $2 off per six pack, or something ridiculous. At that time, they were really pushing the cards, and, unless you were willing to be very rude, you got in this catch-22, where, if you told the clerks you didn't have a card, they'd hassle you about how stupid you were being for not saving $6 on the 3 six packs you were buying, or, if you said you left your card at home, they'd hassle you about giving them your phone number.

      Anyway, this clerk asked me if I had a card. "Yes, but it's not with me." She wanted to know the number. I gave her my number (obfuscated for this story as 650-555-3940). She punched it in, no such account. She said, "Let me try another one, maybe someone typod it." She typed a number, and the discount popped up. "Good call," said. "What was the number?" "650-555-3949," she said. "Are you Mr. Ngzrschy?" "Nope!" I said. "Thanks!"

      Ever since then I've used that number. The name is very difficult to pronounce, and the clerks usually try it one way, then another, then ask, "Did I get that name right?" I always say, "Absolutely!"

  58. GWBush's children are clones by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2

    Imagine, our president's wife, having given birth to clones! Twenty one years ago, they were conceived in secret, without any public oversight! Our own president, experimenting with clones. The shock, the horror, the shame of it. Conservatives must be stewing in their juices.
    -russ

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  59. low-end Linux PDA is good, but... by j09824 · · Score: 2

    Grayscale and 66MHz are fine, and the form factor is great. But it needs an SD slot and a standard serial port (or Bluetooth) to be really useful. Can that be so expensive to add? Of course, slightly higher resolution would be nice, too.

    1. Re:low-end Linux PDA is good, but... by j09824 · · Score: 2

      Sorry, I meant USB, not serial. It does have a standard serial port, of course.

    2. Re:low-end Linux PDA is good, but... by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      Yup - and it's getting a USB interface too (probably a dongle, but that's a total guess based on how I think this company is thinking). Click on "purchase" or some such page - somewhere in there it lists a few peripherals that are coming soon.

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  60. WTF? Softfield only accepts PayPal and money order by andrewski · · Score: 1

    This smells foul indeed. I would be careful of anybody that only accepts totally anonymous money. No personal checks accepted? No Visa / MC / AmEx?

    And, the most damning evidence of all: THEY'RE FROM CANADA!!!

  61. Salon story on spyware and privacy. by Talinom · · Score: 1

    I find it immensely interesting that an advertisement on the same page as the story is suggesting to us that "It's time to rejoin the fight. It's time to take on the right wing!"

    Um, I thought that Sen. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings, D-S.C. was on the left wing, being a democrat and everything.

    [sarcasm]Does that then mean that we should support President Bush because he is a tree-hugging liberal?[/sarcasm]

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    1. Re:Salon story on spyware and privacy. by karmawarrior · · Score: 1

      Um, I thought that Sen. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings, D-S.C. was on the left wing, being a democrat and everything.

      Of course he is. You know those left wingers, always demanding more rights for giant corporations, always out on the streets protesting that there isn't enough capitalism and how dare those evil republicans make it difficult for Eisner, et al, to earn billions when they take the risks, etc. Look at those Globalisation protests - all out on the streets and rioting to demand that the G7 does more to remove trade barriers and make it easier for transnational corporations to exploit low wages in other countries.

      That was sarcasm btw. Simply because someone is a "Democrat" doesn't make them "left wing."
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  62. Re:mp3's could help. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure and how do you explain how the average ripper has ~60Gigs of mp3's on his/her drive? This is more analogous to test driving the the entire fleet, and then taking all the cars home with you.

    So why is it still on your HD? Didya forget to turn in the test vehicle?

    I don't give a rats ass for the RIAA, but your rationalizing of the theft of their property is laughable. Taking someone's products or services without payment is theft. Or do you just not get it?

  63. the thing with false info and trading cards by koekepeer · · Score: 1

    ...is that actually, the link between costumers aof a certain shop, and spending behaviour doesn't change a bit. so they still can use it as a marketing tool.

    what they also used to do (here in the netherlands) was to give "bonuspoints" (comparable to airmiles) which were tied to the card. no-one gives away money, and "bonuspoints" could be used to buy things at a discount. fortunately, they got rid of those "bonuspoints" eventually.

  64. think before you say that by koekepeer · · Score: 1

    cloning is unnatural. there, i said it. i think we should use it to some extent, growing organs for transplantation would be just wonderful (no immune rejection ever again), but cloning complete humans...

    evolution has taught us that power lies in diversity. in a world where cloning would be commonplace, the genetic material would become to homogeneous, wich is a very dangerous thing. imagine what a virus could do if we all reacted the same way to it...

    please don't even think about it. and this carzy italian doctor should be put away for a long time, just like the one that made it possible to let elderly women become pregnant (we're talking grannies here). i wonder if it's the same guy...

  65. My conversation with Mosfet on this issue by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2
    Here's something that more or less reinforces what you say. About a year ago on slashdot, I was (rightly) complaining about some of the usability problems in KDE. A user named "Duley" (guess who) had a few unintelligent things to say on the matter. I'm pretty sure it was mosfet, because of the identical "we've xmlified things so there are no usability problems" argument. If this "Duley" fellow was someone other than Mosfet, I apologize to Mosfet for the case of mistaken identity. I used to post under the name Ukab the Great, if this illeviates any confusion over the user names

    My first post:

    KDE is a wanna-be (Score:2) by Ukab the Great on Friday May 25, @12:23PM (#198349) [Alter Relationship] (User #87152 Info)

    If KDE really wanted to improve their interface, they should make those tiny little toolbar buttons a lot bigger by adding labels. When you increase the size of a target (aka control aka widget), the user can access it faster (something we in the UI industry call Fitts' law). Right now, KDE has billions of tiny buttons that aren't very forthcoming as to what they do (a problem alleviated by a label) and that have crappy access times as a result of their tinyness. Just like all those buttons in M$ office. I guarantee you that few users if any ever use the toolbar buttons in word or excel because they're esoteric and have no speed advantage. Another problem with KDE is lack of progressive disclosure, which is the concept of putting the most simple, basic options at the top-level of an interface, and then giving the user the option of digging down to a more complex level if needed. KDE doesn't do this. They throw 18 billion menu entries, buttons, and other controls straight at the user. When this happens, users will feel completely overwhelmed and won't know where to begin in using program. Just looking at Konqueror makes my head spin. I'm not bashing KDE for adding a good advanced feature like gesturing, but this seems to be just one more instance in a trend that desktop environments have followed as of late: adding cool, trendy, buzzword-compliant technologies but then completely blowing it the most basic and fundamental UI design principles.

    Mosfet response

    Your a wanna-be (feature's already there) (Score:3) by Duley on Friday May 25, @12:35PM (#198415) [Alter Relationship] (User #455053 Info)

    Erm, try right clicking on the toolbar handle and this is what you get: Text Position->Icons Only, Text Only, Text aside icons, Text under icons. There are your labels. Been here ever since KDE2.0 development first started. You can also select icon size and got a selection of small, medium, and large. As for "progressive disclosure", I don't see this problem but if you do almost all of the menus and toolbars are constructed out of XML. Edit them if you think you can do better and post it to the KDE mailing lists (or the application author).

    Ilan's counter response to Mosfet A problem with your arguement--sane defaults (Score:2) by Ukab the Great on Friday May 25, @05:55PM (#198350) [Alter Relationship] (User #87152 Info)

    "But you can customize it" people say "But if you dig deep enough into the configuration, you can change it" people say Such are the ideas that hold linux from the desktop. Many users starting off will do neither, and shouldn't be expected to try to improve things that should have been improved to begin with. If there's something in an interface that is supposed to be done (e.g. labeling toolbar buttons) and makes an interface more usable, it should be the default.

    Mosfet's counter response

    What you want, I don't (Score:1) by Duley on Friday May 25, @08:07PM (#198414) [Alter Relationship] (User #455053 Info)

    First of all, I'd hardly call right clicking on the toolbar having to "dig deep...into the configuration". It's not like KDE is making you edit text files or anything. You can also select it in the KDE Control Center under the "Style" entry. There are plenty of places to set this - have you really even used KDE? As for what should be default, *you* think labels make toolbars easier to use, I think it wastes screen real estate (I have a lot of windows open at any given time). *I* wouldn't want it to be default, but you do. They both have good points, but it's certainly not something that you could say "this definitely should be one way". So what can we do but make them both available, choose a sensible default, and let users choose. For me, that's medium sized icons with no labels like most UI's. You feel differently. *Shrug*, KDE allows you to do whatever you like. You'll always get flamed no matter what defaults you choose... if we did it your way people would complain "KDE's toolbars are huge!" and I'd be telling them to right click on them and set what they want ;-) As for the menus, they are fine for me. If you don't like them it doesn't require any programming skill to change their order. Do things your way and suggest to people to change them. This is open development, your not stuck with anything you don't like.
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  66. So get an old WinCE unit by splorf · · Score: 1

    that uses a PCMCIA or CF ethernet card. You can find stuff like that on Ebay real cheap.

  67. WTF are you talking about? by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Yes, there are many non-Jews that were killed, far more than Jews, but at the same time there's like a 500:1 ratio of non-Jew to Jew

    If by '500:1' you mean '3:2', then maybe. A lot of people died in the hollocaust, the gypsies were also singled out for slaughter, as were gays.

    If you mean the war in general, I think it would be about 1:10 jew:non-jew (60 million killed, 6 million jews killed)

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  68. oops. by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Hrm, I can't seem to read. I still think 500:1 is a bit much though, if that were the case then there would have been 3 billion people in europe.

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  69. ESR!??! by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    WTF!?

    ESR might be more practical then RMS, but he's also a self-agrandizing wanker who's main goal in life is to make money and feel important. You can keep your sleazebag, politicaly retarded 'leader' to yourself.

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  70. Reconquesta? by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Do you think we deported all the mexican when we conqured that land?

    Or what?

    America is not defined by the color of it's citizens. You are a racist if you belive that reconqesta BS.

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  71. Okay... by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Well, technicaly I agree with you. Cloning shouldn't be done now because of all the problems associated with it (namely telomere(sp?) shortening)

    However, there is no reason to think that those problems will exist in the future. If we could be assured resonable success rate (at or higher the success rate for natural birth) how would you feel about cloning then? (for instance, if we coudld do it with chimps)

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    1. Re:Okay... by Saeger · · Score: 2
      When (not if) we work out the kinks, I'd feel the point of cloning is almost moot.

      You see, I'm one of those transhumanist "whackos" who thinks that our minds will evolve out of our frail bodies, and that the exponentional march of progress will allow us to do it by 2050. Cloning a mind is another topic... :)
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  72. What? by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    You don't know what the hell your talking about therapeutic cloning does not, by definition, create a whole person. thearaputic cloning is like generating new hearts and livers and stuff in test tubes (well, really big ones)

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  73. It is the same guy by autopr0n · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Yup. same guy.

    anyway, Homosexuality is 'unatural', and it certanly goes against evolution. Should we ban that too?

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    1. Re:It is the same guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      homosexuality is not unnatural.

      sex is also a means of communication, establishing who's the boss, etc. go look at the apes in the zoo, you'll see that they fuck whoever they like to dominate, male or female.

      don't try to porvoke me like this, it's not a nice way of discussing serioius matters like these IMHO

  74. heh by inKubus · · Score: 2

    Of course now you're going to be getting coupons for AfroSheen from the printer.

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  75. Eengles by inKubus · · Score: 2

    The only problem I have with these workers is their inability to speak English, and their unwillingness to get their kids to speak English/learn much of anything in school. Then they have 5 kids per family.

    I like being able to communicate with the people I work with. I don't want to learn spanish either. but I guess that is the only solution, since they aren't going to change for America. That's ok, America has a long history of absorbing other cultures into it's own, this is just one more.

    So learn spanish, teach your new amigo linux (even a child can operate it), and soon he'll be learning english to read the man pages.

    Dunno. It's late, I'm coffeed up, and my mouth is dry.

    Cheers.

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  76. How is this an "unintelligent" response? by mosfet++ · · Score: 1
    You wanted larger toolbar buttons by adding text. I told you how to very easily get it. You think it should be default, but this was discussed and the majority of users don't agree. I mean, if you want to do an informal check just look at most user's desktops. My screenshots are the only ones to regulary use large toolbar icons, much less toolbar text. As a matter of fact, many icon sets third parties make only come with 22x22 icons because the majority of users only use smaller toolbar buttons. We support the option, and in this case make it very easy to get to, but have to use a default we feel will appeal to the most users. Come on, right clicking on the toolbar isn't too hard or having to dig deep in any configuration.


    Is my response unintelligent because it doesn't agree with you?


    As for the menus, you said you didn't like the default order menu items occurred. I told you that if you want to suggest a different order you could do so with no programming required because the menus are written in XML. Change things to how you would like and post the results so people can discuss them. How else do you think things get done?


    Was this response unintelligent because it required you to do something?

  77. Americaln Politics very muddled by maroberts · · Score: 1

    From an overseas standpoint, it appears that US Senators and Congressmen are placed under much less direction from the party than, say, a UK Member of Parliament, who is generally expected to follow the party line. Also regional differences mean that Republican and Democratic parties place far less extreme candidates in certain areas, so thatthe boundaries between the two are very blurred.

    However, it does seem as though the Democrats get a large amount of money from the entertainment industry and thus back it in areas where normally they would represent the people [in a loose sense of the term]

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  78. Clones script floating around online by j1mmy · · Score: 1

    you can see an amusingly edited version here

  79. Isn't your data copyrighted? by NibbleAbit · · Score: 1

    I could be wrong, but isn't the soemthing created by you copyrighted. My surfing and shopping habits were created by me and are unique to me, therefore are protected under copyright legislation.

    Just a thought.

  80. In related news... by gosand · · Score: 1, Funny

    Researchers are puzzled at the sharp increase in the purchase of pornography, beer, and Vaseline in the 55-65 year old, black, female, mother demographic.

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  81. No wonder Bart doesn't like KDE by j-turkey · · Score: 1

    According to Bill Gates' testimony:

    The OEM might want to display Microsoft trademarks to suggest affinity with popular Microsoft software, such as its shipment of a Linux user interface that mimics the Windows user interface (like the Linux KDE interface does).

    Well -- no wonder Bart doesn't like KDE -- its just a Windows clone -- and he's an MS basher!
    ;)

    -Turkey

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  82. One problem with the reasoning above by alispguru · · Score: 2
    What are they going to do, use my shopping habits to make my food more expensive? I don't think so.

    Actually, that's exactly what they might do. Don't forget, the ultimate reason for all this data gathering is for the gatherers to keep more of the customers' money. They could do it by tracking your purchases and showing you ads for similar stuff. They could also do it by noticing that you buy the same product at different stores for different prices, so it's safe to raise the price on that product.

    Safeway is a business; it's not your friend.
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  83. Ask yourself this... by BeBoxer · · Score: 2

    Who would like to know more about your buying habits? I'll tell you one person who would love to know what you buy at the grocery store. Your insurance provider. Let see... buys a lot of beer, better raise his auto insurance rates. Buys a lot of red meat and junk food. Better raise his health insurance rates. Buys cold medicine instead of going to the doctor, maybe we can lower his rates. Oops. Buying condoms. That's risky. Better raise his rates instead.

    The grocery store itself probably couldn't care less about your buying habits. They aren't collecting the personal information for themselves. They are collecting it so they can sell it to other people who do care. And they are not giving you a discount. It's just offsetting other price increases. That's why I don't shop at the stores that do this. Some stores don't feel the need to overcharge people who care about their privacy, and those are the stores I shop at. In a capitalist society, your dollar is your vote. Vote wisely!

  84. $95 million wasted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Or is it $41 million? No matter - it is a pittance. Here in Seattle, there is an organization chartered to look into regional light rail. Initially, they projected that $2 billion would do the job, and went to the public trough for the money. Now, 3 or 4 years later, they have indeed spent the $2 billion, but not a single spade of earth has been turned. And the city elected the man who presided over this travesty as Mayor, on the strength of his fiscal ability!

    In a democracy, you get the leadership you deserve...

  85. Don't need no damn club card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got to post this anonymously, but let me tell you that they do not need a club card to track your purchases. If one (as most of us do) pays with the same bank instrument (check, or credit or debit card) regularly, then they can track the purchases to *you*. Your name is on the mag-stripe or printed on the check (many retail outlets either use check scanners to pull names off, or employ people to type in the name on the check with the check account number). Your bank number identifies you individually.

    And there are (very profitable) services out there to match up the "John P. Doe" near ZIP code 50148 (for instance) with his address and tons of other PII and demographic info. Every wonder why so many stores these days ask for your ZIP code?

    Privacy is a myth if you use any other than cash, or give out any personal information. (Even your ZIP code is personal -- ever notice that many CC companies use it as a password into your account?)

    The only way to win the privacy battle is to fight it with laws.

  86. HEY!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir, I am an asshole, and I find your likening me to Bill Gates very offensive.

    Please choose the name of a different oriface to describe Mr. Gates in the future.

  87. I just made an order (for vr3) by karji · · Score: 1

    I'll keep you up to date with details

  88. Nah, by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    We'd probably turn to automation for harvesting, wich I'm starting to wonder might be the way it should be done. After the initial investment, wouldn't it be cheaper than paying illegal aliens and high school kids. I used to detassel corn.

  89. Conceptual Error: brain rebooting NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are born a clone, at least you are born. Better to be born and be able to sue than never to have existed.

  90. We already have a law that includes human clones.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it's called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and since 1945 it has been subject to vertical defecation on humans not cloned. There is no enforcement mechanism for this unless either the locals kill and replace their leaders with nicer people or elect someone nicer or have the Supreme Court designate the new leader. Hmm.

  91. Lost Past! by The+Last+Post · · Score: 1

    Last, Bitches!

  92. No by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Bonobos chimps do engage in lots of gay sex, but I'm not aware of any other kind that does. Human society is a lot more like that of the Bonobos, but I wouldn't really say it always was.

    Anyway, Homosexually is most certainly 'against evolution' Gay people can't have kids. My point isn't that being gay is "wrong" from a moral standpoint, only that evolution shouldn't be taken as any kind of moral compass.

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  93. The guys replied by e-mail & told me... by karji · · Score: 1

    ...it should be here in a week.

  94. I am that friend by zurmikopa · · Score: 1
    I am that friend.

    However, I suppose quoting myself now would be redundant.

    I suppose I shall add instead. He mentions that this power in insignificant next to the force. I say that this power could become the force. With this many devices that emit electromagnetic fields I'm sure someone could figure out a way to synchronize them in such a way that they could lift objects (particularly metal ones) or if they were really ambitious; lift enemies into the air, choking them, then later throwing them into an abyiss.

  95. Our postal service had hollidays by karji · · Score: 1

    ...hence the delay. The agenda is not here, but I'll call tomorrow to see if it's been sent.

  96. It has arived! by karji · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is here.