That would of been Kurt. Anyway, the browser in question is ABrowse of which I'm now the maintainer and lead developer (found here). We've evaluated gecko verse khtml and everyone wants gecko. It renders more pages correctly. However as a lazy,;), developer I'm sticking with khtml for now. It just makes more sense for syllable/atheos which is also c++. Our port of KHTML is rather crufty but still ingenious. Kurt remapped qt widgets to our native kit, set the appropriate browser callbacks and somehow got everything up and running. I took over about a month ago and have only gone through about 10% of the actual khtml code (although we do now have tabbed browsing:). I think the thing for Apple was the just the plain size of such a porting job to a non already ported platform. From my work on ABrowse I couldn't possibly imagine porting gecko, especially since we do not rely on an X, gtk or any of that stuff gecko wants to compile. Just thought I'd chime in... - Shawn
ps - Atheos is not quite dead. If interested check out Syllable at the link above. Syllable is very much so alive and progress has speeded up over the atheos days.
You're not goint get that 480 Mb/s consistantly either. As far I know with usb/usb2 they burst data and the 480 Mb/s is the speed of the burst so the real average speed is much lower. Firewire on the other hand I think actually is a steady 400 Mb/s so Firwire does outperform usb. I could be wrong however and I'm sure someone will let me know;).
On a side note. If I recall correctly scientist have actually found a way to make the telomeres not shorten every time a cell devides. I forget what it was exactly but it was some kind of chemical treatment and it was dubbed as a sort of theoretical "fountain of youth". In actuality once the telomeres were mutated to the point that they wouldn't shorten, the test animals got cancer. Telomeres are a damn interesting thing (and would explain why people can't break 120 years old).
Noone is calling for "the one". Personally I don't care what distro anyone uses. Every distro has a niche. The problem is when that niche is coveted by 3 distros. Mandrake isn't working stictly for the desktop. Neither is UL, Red Hat, Suse, debian or gentoo. The original point I was trying to make was that Lycoris, Lindows and Xandros are all competing with each other over desktop share. The fact that walmart computers may now ship with anyone of 3 linux distros makes me nervous. Those 3 are also some of the smaller distros. Red Hat, Suse, Debian, Mandrake... those are your heavy-weight distros. It would seem to me that the most likely way that those 3 would survive is to work together. Microsoft could crush anyone of them by looking at them funny. In all likely-hood they'd probably do the same even if they were merged. Oh well... this is slashdot, this is a distro flame-war and obviously we're not going to agree;).
its not a troll actually... when i say merge, I don't mean debian, gentoo, mandrake and assholenux. I mean lycoris, lindows and xandros. The distros who all do the same thing and have the same goal: desktop share. Jesus christ, you throw out one word and all of a sudden everyone is screaming "troll, troll". Debian and gentoo aren't exactly going to merge with mandrake or redhat. Why would i even suggest that? I like gentoo. I like mandrake. I've been known to occasionally like red hat. Debian i'm not too keen on, but to each their own. They all have their own unique little niche. Lindows, Xandros and Lyrcoris? They have the same fucking niche.
I definitly agree and was going to get that. I think thats what makes United Linux potentially disasterous. As far as I know the LSB is free just as long as you conform. The Red Hat standard (basically RPM and the layout of the base system) is free and easily emulated (Yellow Dog and Mandrake). Having to buy a license to release a distro under some arcane standard isn't exactly something the Linux providers are going to care about.
And if thats the case, you'll still have debian. You'll still have your precious apt. Me, I prefere Mandrake. Difference of opinion, no big deal. I would like to know an example of shit to put up with Mandrake and RedHat though. What the dependancie hell that debian users tend to throw out? I cry bullshit. I update from mandrake's cooker ftp, one rpm at at time. Mandrake's urpmi tool kicks ass. Resolves dependancies, tells you what you need and will fetch it for you. All it requires is a urpmi *. Is it a matter of free software? Mandrake is LSB certified now and tries to remain as free as friggin possible. Damn near everything is open source, and if it isn't there will be another package that does a similiar thing and is. Along with this they try to give you commericial software if you want it. RealPlayer, Blender (pre-gpl days), Star Office, Nvidia's drivers all came with the 8.2 ProSuite set and would be installed for you if you agreed that it was alright to install non-free software on your system. As for UL... well you're right they're not gonna gain much ground. But it really isn't like they're banding together to crush Red Hat. Ransom Love sees how well Red Hat is doing and decides "Oh no, Red Hat will become the Microsoft of Linux... I want some of that money too" and concocts this scheme. What I'm saying and explained in another post is that Xandros, Lycoris and Lindows if they all have the same goals and ideals should become one distro. Not a series of distros based off of some new standard, but one distro. One distro aimed at the desktop. By pulling their collective resources and talent I'd say they have a better chance of taking on Microsoft (not fighting for contracts from Walmart amoungst themselves). And if they merge? You don't have to fucking use it. Christ you're like the people that bitch that they're putting MacDonald's in the sims or someone is carrying a violent game. Don't fucking use it. As for one distro gaining too much power, theres this little thing called the GPL. So I'd say it would be damn hard for anyone to have too much power when someone else can have the complete source code for their product.
The problem with United Linux as I see it is that its a standard. Suse can release a "United Linux Conforming" distro along with their regular distro. Same thing with all the other members. When I say merge I say "don't create some kind of standard", I mean seriously merge. Become the same company, release one distro that is aimed at the desktop. Hack on wine (that seems to be the current trend, although I think its a deadend in the long run), work on improving XFree86 drivers for nvidia and ati, etc cards. Work on improving usability for kde. That kind of stuff. Pay developers to work on key projects that will benefit your distro and then put out one hell of a product.
I just want to make a couple of points here... #1) A linux distro doesn't die or disappear. I'll get flamed to hell for this but look at slackware. Its percentage of installed user's has dwindled and so has its development. However, the users it has are very dedicated (and vocal) and it is a good system. I'd imagine the same may spring up for any one of these "desktop" distros.
#2) Why don't they all merge? They all are obviously trying to take on Microsoft. They all are remarkably similiar. Basically a slicked up kde system and a $99 price tag. I would think it would be in their best interest if Lindows, Lycoris and whatever that other one (Xandros or something) is if they all pulled their resources and competed with MS alone (not each other).
#3) What the hell is wrong with Mandrake? I use Mandrake for everything (mostly cooker) and it rocks. While its not really fair to compare it to WinXP, I'd say if you compare it to WinMe it kicks the living crap out of it. Automatic hardware detection, easy network setup, kde 3.1 (mandrake 9.1... I'm using it now), etc... Walmart should focus on one of these distros and it should be Mandrake.
#4) United Linux is crap. "We want to make a new standard/certifying brand for linux... send us money". We have Red Hat distros (Red Hat, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc) and we have the LSB (Mandrake, probably some others... debian?). Ransom Love screwed up in the Unix world, now hes out looking for money off of linux. As previously stated, United Linux is crap. *Huff*
You respect someone that fucked a 13 year old girl and then was with her until they got married when she was 19? I didn't realize that either, but... theres a post about it above. Yeah I'm a bassist too (well sorta) but I have a hardtime respecting someone who'd fuck a child.
To go along with the pictures... I was wondering if any of our more experienced/.ers have any stories about these machines? I personally have never seen one up close but I'm sure that alot of us younger folks would love to hear about the quirks of these giants. Thanks in advance.
Its not fair.All you pre 1960's people get big whirling machines that would crank for days on end and then finally print out "Hello World". I get blazingly fast machines that already do everything. Its like Linux said "Back when men were men and wrote their own device drivers...". Look, I would write my own device drivers if I owned a device that wasn't already supported by Linux. Oh well... thats an excellent photo gallery, it reminds me of that movie War Games. Oh the memories I don't really have...
I submitted this story last week. Only it was about Linux. And instead of a graphics studio it was about my bedroom, which incidently is my own little personal shrine to the cult of tux;).
I like the idea of a desk built out of Macs. Of course you do Malda... of course the reason all of us like that picture is because of the desk. Uh huh... you know, it probably has nothing to do with the hot chick behind it. Then again Malda's married now, so I suppose he has to be more practical... and whats more practical then the desk made out of old mac monitors.
Besides the numerous computers, parts, and other geeky stuff... I remember when my roomate was moving out (moving to Chicago to go to school), he came in my room and asked if I had any cat-5 cable. Of course I did and I asked what for. He replied "I needed to tie my bag to the cart and i figured we didn't have rope but plenty of cable." I just started laughing and of course... got him some cat-5.
I disagree. IBM and Microsoft worked jointly on OS/2. Microsoft took what they did and created NT, as IBM took what they did and kept going with it. IBM had gotten burned by allowing Microsoft to retain control of MS-DOS in the past and I would imagine that IBM would of retained conrol of OS/2. Most likely Microsoft would of gone on to become an Application company instead of an Application company that also has an monopoly on the OS they develop for.
Hey, I used to absolutely adore OS/2. I had an old 386 back in the early-mid 90s running it. Everytime I boot into Windows I A)Wish it was linux and B) wonder what life would be like if OS/2 was the most popular OS on the planet. Of course though if OS/2 had swapped with Windows, then slashdotters wouldn't have Microsoft to talk about, we'd probably be bashing IBM. I think its all about how "you're not in the norm" and it makes you feel special. Yeah, some clown is going to say "Its a freaking OS" but to some (me included) its more. Some people can explain their entire persona based on what OS they use. For example:
Windows: I'm a mindless drone (haha, j/k).
Linux: I'm a super-sexy, super-genious and all the girls should sleep with me.
First thought: This is stupid, but lets keep reading.
So now I get to this little gem: It's about that whole religious fervor that grabs Mac users the way it doesn't with users of other platforms," said writer/director Jake Barnes, who described himself as a "recovering Mac addict."
Has Jake Barnes every met a linux user? Or a BSD user? Or a VMS user? Or hell, a BeOS or OS/2 user? He probably just looked at windows and thought "well 90% of the known universe uses it, so how excited can Hip Bob be when booting it up". He has failed to see the amount of umm... love some non-microsoft and non-apple people have for their computers. I mean come on... linux... what is there not to love. Hell even IBM spraypaints "Peace. Love. Linux." on stuff. Oh well... need coffee.
No seriously... the lag in mozilla/phoenix is probably because of the non-native interface stuff. You can rip out as much as you want but on high-end systems it doesn't seem to make a difference. The interface is the bottle-neck.
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I haven't tried phoenix on anything less than a dual pIII (1 gig) with a gig of memory so how much more responsive is it? On my systems (the one above and a 2 gig p4 with a gig of memory) mozilla started and runs just as fast as phoenix.
In "Just for Fun" linus mentions how he doesn't do linux for transmeta. He works on the x86 translation part of the code morphing software. So all the other replies that say "without code morphing this cpu would suck" are right. While it was odd to thank Linus in an unrelated topic (green computers that just happen to have a crusoe in them), it isn't without some merit.
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That would of been Kurt. Anyway, the browser in question is ABrowse of which I'm now the maintainer and lead developer (found here). We've evaluated gecko verse khtml and everyone wants gecko. It renders more pages correctly. However as a lazy, ;), developer I'm sticking with khtml for now. It just makes more sense for syllable/atheos which is also c++. Our port of KHTML is rather crufty but still ingenious. Kurt remapped qt widgets to our native kit, set the appropriate browser callbacks and somehow got everything up and running. I took over about a month ago and have only gone through about 10% of the actual khtml code (although we do now have tabbed browsing :). I think the thing for Apple was the just the plain size of such a porting job to a non already ported platform. From my work on ABrowse I couldn't possibly imagine porting gecko, especially since we do not rely on an X, gtk or any of that stuff gecko wants to compile.
Just thought I'd chime in...
- Shawn
ps - Atheos is not quite dead. If interested check out Syllable at the link above. Syllable is very much so alive and progress has speeded up over the atheos days.
He probably justed used the Win32 api and embedded gecko. Thats good for 700,000 lines right there ;).
You're not goint get that 480 Mb/s consistantly either. As far I know with usb/usb2 they burst data and the 480 Mb/s is the speed of the burst so the real average speed is much lower. Firewire on the other hand I think actually is a steady 400 Mb/s so Firwire does outperform usb. I could be wrong however and I'm sure someone will let me know ;).
On a side note. If I recall correctly scientist have actually found a way to make the telomeres not shorten every time a cell devides. I forget what it was exactly but it was some kind of chemical treatment and it was dubbed as a sort of theoretical "fountain of youth". In actuality once the telomeres were mutated to the point that they wouldn't shorten, the test animals got cancer. Telomeres are a damn interesting thing (and would explain why people can't break 120 years old).
Noone is calling for "the one". Personally I don't care what distro anyone uses. Every distro has a niche. The problem is when that niche is coveted by 3 distros. Mandrake isn't working stictly for the desktop. Neither is UL, Red Hat, Suse, debian or gentoo. The original point I was trying to make was that Lycoris, Lindows and Xandros are all competing with each other over desktop share. The fact that walmart computers may now ship with anyone of 3 linux distros makes me nervous. Those 3 are also some of the smaller distros. Red Hat, Suse, Debian, Mandrake... those are your heavy-weight distros. It would seem to me that the most likely way that those 3 would survive is to work together. Microsoft could crush anyone of them by looking at them funny. In all likely-hood they'd probably do the same even if they were merged. Oh well... this is slashdot, this is a distro flame-war and obviously we're not going to agree ;).
its not a troll actually... when i say merge, I don't mean debian, gentoo, mandrake and assholenux. I mean lycoris, lindows and xandros. The distros who all do the same thing and have the same goal: desktop share. Jesus christ, you throw out one word and all of a sudden everyone is screaming "troll, troll". Debian and gentoo aren't exactly going to merge with mandrake or redhat. Why would i even suggest that? I like gentoo. I like mandrake. I've been known to occasionally like red hat. Debian i'm not too keen on, but to each their own. They all have their own unique little niche. Lindows, Xandros and Lyrcoris? They have the same fucking niche.
I definitly agree and was going to get that. I think thats what makes United Linux potentially disasterous. As far as I know the LSB is free just as long as you conform. The Red Hat standard (basically RPM and the layout of the base system) is free and easily emulated (Yellow Dog and Mandrake). Having to buy a license to release a distro under some arcane standard isn't exactly something the Linux providers are going to care about.
this isn't insightful either... :p
And if thats the case, you'll still have debian. You'll still have your precious apt. Me, I prefere Mandrake. Difference of opinion, no big deal. I would like to know an example of shit to put up with Mandrake and RedHat though. What the dependancie hell that debian users tend to throw out? I cry bullshit. I update from mandrake's cooker ftp, one rpm at at time. Mandrake's urpmi tool kicks ass. Resolves dependancies, tells you what you need and will fetch it for you. All it requires is a urpmi *. Is it a matter of free software? Mandrake is LSB certified now and tries to remain as free as friggin possible. Damn near everything is open source, and if it isn't there will be another package that does a similiar thing and is. Along with this they try to give you commericial software if you want it. RealPlayer, Blender (pre-gpl days), Star Office, Nvidia's drivers all came with the 8.2 ProSuite set and would be installed for you if you agreed that it was alright to install non-free software on your system.
As for UL... well you're right they're not gonna gain much ground. But it really isn't like they're banding together to crush Red Hat. Ransom Love sees how well Red Hat is doing and decides "Oh no, Red Hat will become the Microsoft of Linux... I want some of that money too" and concocts this scheme. What I'm saying and explained in another post is that Xandros, Lycoris and Lindows if they all have the same goals and ideals should become one distro. Not a series of distros based off of some new standard, but one distro. One distro aimed at the desktop. By pulling their collective resources and talent I'd say they have a better chance of taking on Microsoft (not fighting for contracts from Walmart amoungst themselves). And if they merge? You don't have to fucking use it. Christ you're like the people that bitch that they're putting MacDonald's in the sims or someone is carrying a violent game. Don't fucking use it.
As for one distro gaining too much power, theres this little thing called the GPL. So I'd say it would be damn hard for anyone to have too much power when someone else can have the complete source code for their product.
The problem with United Linux as I see it is that its a standard. Suse can release a "United Linux Conforming" distro along with their regular distro. Same thing with all the other members. When I say merge I say "don't create some kind of standard", I mean seriously merge. Become the same company, release one distro that is aimed at the desktop. Hack on wine (that seems to be the current trend, although I think its a deadend in the long run), work on improving XFree86 drivers for nvidia and ati, etc cards. Work on improving usability for kde. That kind of stuff. Pay developers to work on key projects that will benefit your distro and then put out one hell of a product.
I just want to make a couple of points here...
#1) A linux distro doesn't die or disappear. I'll get flamed to hell for this but look at slackware. Its percentage of installed user's has dwindled and so has its development. However, the users it has are very dedicated (and vocal) and it is a good system. I'd imagine the same may spring up for any one of these "desktop" distros.
#2) Why don't they all merge? They all are obviously trying to take on Microsoft. They all are remarkably similiar. Basically a slicked up kde system and a $99 price tag. I would think it would be in their best interest if Lindows, Lycoris and whatever that other one (Xandros or something) is if they all pulled their resources and competed with MS alone (not each other).
#3) What the hell is wrong with Mandrake? I use Mandrake for everything (mostly cooker) and it rocks. While its not really fair to compare it to WinXP, I'd say if you compare it to WinMe it kicks the living crap out of it. Automatic hardware detection, easy network setup, kde 3.1 (mandrake 9.1... I'm using it now), etc... Walmart should focus on one of these distros and it should be Mandrake.
#4) United Linux is crap. "We want to make a new standard/certifying brand for linux... send us money". We have Red Hat distros (Red Hat, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc) and we have the LSB (Mandrake, probably some others... debian?). Ransom Love screwed up in the Unix world, now hes out looking for money off of linux. As previously stated, United Linux is crap.
*Huff*
You respect someone that fucked a 13 year old girl and then was with her until they got married when she was 19? I didn't realize that either, but... theres a post about it above. Yeah I'm a bassist too (well sorta) but I have a hardtime respecting someone who'd fuck a child.
Today SGI announced the Origin 3900 server, the world's densest computer.
Not if it does't run a Microsoft server product.
*ducks*
To go along with the pictures... I was wondering if any of our more experienced /.ers have any stories about these machines? I personally have never seen one up close but I'm sure that alot of us younger folks would love to hear about the quirks of these giants. Thanks in advance.
Its not fair.All you pre 1960's people get big whirling machines that would crank for days on end and then finally print out "Hello World". I get blazingly fast machines that already do everything. Its like Linux said "Back when men were men and wrote their own device drivers...". Look, I would write my own device drivers if I owned a device that wasn't already supported by Linux. Oh well... thats an excellent photo gallery, it reminds me of that movie War Games. Oh the memories I don't really have...
At least I have something better to do than sit around and post anonymous comments on the internet about other people's lives. You goddamn troll.
I submitted this story last week. Only it was about Linux. And instead of a graphics studio it was about my bedroom, which incidently is my own little personal shrine to the cult of tux ;).
I like the idea of a desk built out of Macs. Of course you do Malda... of course the reason all of us like that picture is because of the desk. Uh huh... you know, it probably has nothing to do with the hot chick behind it. Then again Malda's married now, so I suppose he has to be more practical... and whats more practical then the desk made out of old mac monitors.
Besides the numerous computers, parts, and other geeky stuff... I remember when my roomate was moving out (moving to Chicago to go to school), he came in my room and asked if I had any cat-5 cable. Of course I did and I asked what for. He replied "I needed to tie my bag to the cart and i figured we didn't have rope but plenty of cable." I just started laughing and of course... got him some cat-5.
I disagree. IBM and Microsoft worked jointly on OS/2. Microsoft took what they did and created NT, as IBM took what they did and kept going with it. IBM had gotten burned by allowing Microsoft to retain control of MS-DOS in the past and I would imagine that IBM would of retained conrol of OS/2. Most likely Microsoft would of gone on to become an Application company instead of an Application company that also has an monopoly on the OS they develop for.
It may only be 9:09, but that is the funniest thing I've seen today.
Hey, I used to absolutely adore OS/2. I had an old 386 back in the early-mid 90s running it. Everytime I boot into Windows I A)Wish it was linux and B) wonder what life would be like if OS/2 was the most popular OS on the planet. Of course though if OS/2 had swapped with Windows, then slashdotters wouldn't have Microsoft to talk about, we'd probably be bashing IBM. I think its all about how "you're not in the norm" and it makes you feel special. Yeah, some clown is going to say "Its a freaking OS" but to some (me included) its more. Some people can explain their entire persona based on what OS they use. For example:
Windows: I'm a mindless drone (haha, j/k).
Linux: I'm a super-sexy, super-genious and all the girls should sleep with me.
See how well that works.
First thought: This is stupid, but lets keep reading.
So now I get to this little gem: It's about that whole religious fervor that grabs Mac users the way it doesn't with users of other platforms," said writer/director Jake Barnes, who described himself as a "recovering Mac addict."
Has Jake Barnes every met a linux user? Or a BSD user? Or a VMS user? Or hell, a BeOS or OS/2 user? He probably just looked at windows and thought "well 90% of the known universe uses it, so how excited can Hip Bob be when booting it up". He has failed to see the amount of umm... love some non-microsoft and non-apple people have for their computers. I mean come on... linux... what is there not to love. Hell even IBM spraypaints "Peace. Love. Linux." on stuff. Oh well... need coffee.
No seriously... the lag in mozilla/phoenix is probably because of the non-native interface stuff. You can rip out as much as you want but on high-end systems it doesn't seem to make a difference. The interface is the bottle-neck.
I haven't tried phoenix on anything less than a dual pIII (1 gig) with a gig of memory so how much more responsive is it? On my systems (the one above and a 2 gig p4 with a gig of memory) mozilla started and runs just as fast as phoenix.
In "Just for Fun" linus mentions how he doesn't do linux for transmeta. He works on the x86 translation part of the code morphing software. So all the other replies that say "without code morphing this cpu would suck" are right. While it was odd to thank Linus in an unrelated topic (green computers that just happen to have a crusoe in them), it isn't without some merit.