It's Searle's argument, which I did not fully appreciate as an AI pup. Consciousness, whatever it is, is a real, physical phenomenon, and therefore must arise out of real-world physics.
Interpretive symbol pushing is not such a process. We don't know what part of the brain's physics gives rise to consciousness as a real, physical phenomenon, but it isn't from an abstract interpretation of electrons or chemicals.
Note I am not saying you couldn't simulate consciousness, but said simulatiou would not actually be conscious in the sense of experiencing the greenness of green. I also don't think a perfect simulation of physics as we know it would give rise to simulated consciousness even. There is something else we are missing.
It's an energy issue. With a magical energy source, you could set up massive but cheap industrial distilleries and just boil billions of gallons of seawater a day.
Raise the price of water until people use something else? Oh wait, that's the capitalist solution.
No, that's the command-and-control socialist solution, the "rationer's rationalization" solution.
The capitalist solution would involve getting rid of red tape stopping capitalism from responding to satisfy a need. It's sad places like California have to generate needless emergencies just to temporarily get the government out of the way.
It occurs to me terrorists could probe the system by attempting flights to determine the extent of monitoring of their activities and size of their circles. In this case, it is against government interest to ban them all.
Furthermore an overshooting to far too many people would partially mask this and engender a faix confidence in terrorists that the government was throwing spaghetti at the wall.
Hmmm, wheels within wheels and counter-strategies.
Yeah, which is why the judge is asking to be allowed to review the material for constitutionality in private.
Is there any possible way that a 'No Fly List' could be constitutional?
Absent conviction of a crime, or wartime evidence of danger or collusion, ???
Taking the issues wihout hyperventillation: - Yes, releasing thr rules would allow terrorists to avoid triggers and game the system. - A judge may not be the best judge of applicability of state secrets, but the secret makers are a far worse self-judge. Dragging this in front of a nominally public court once in awhile is a core check and balance. It is the only kind of thing to do this.
I am fine being remembered for pointing out yet again we will be better off in 100, 200 or 300 years keeping the economy strong and forging ahead with technological advancement than slowing it by draconian clamps on the economy (there are many clamps beside environmental remediation).
100 years ago we barely had simple planes and no antibiotics. Horses were still common in the streets. Had they slowed down their growth to "help" us, well, thanks for nuthin', Gentleman Jim.
The best thing we can do for future generations is keep things going.
I remain confident it is the hyperventillation crowd that will be proved murderously dangerous idiots in the long run. I am fine going down on record with that prediction.
We also have no reason to believe our simulated universe simulates physics as it exists in the "real" world.
In any case, your consciousness is a real phenomenon, and thus cannot be a result of simulated physics. A simulated consciousness would squeal when pricked, but would not have the subjective experience. A simulated consciousness would no more be conscious than a simulated fire would actually be hot.
The day will come when politicians start to suggest forcing removal of steering wheels because human-driven cars are the only thing getting into accidents anymore.
This will accelerate as it starts -- people will drive themselves less, so they will have less practice and thus be worse, getting into even more accidents when they drive. I have some 20,000 hours of driving experience, putting me at an Olympic level of training. This will be a thing of the past.
Quakeworld had limited prediction as an "improvement" over original Quake. It had a tough time with rocket jumping. More often than not the screen would freeze and a few seconds later, you'd find yourself running in a corner, the jump never having occurred, or missed badly.
Disadvantaged? Capitalism is making their average health, wealth, and longevity skyrocket. No, if concern over the poor in third world countries is your metric, the only people to say "fuck you" to are western liberals who decry this as a "race to the bottom".
""The new Triton map has a resolution of 1,970 feet (600 meters) per pixel."
Yeah, America! That's in feet, not communist metric! Pixel res of 1970 feet per. What accuracy! Go suck a steak in cream, you metric surrender monkeys!
If I were a schill for big business, I'd be all, "Yeah yeah! Do it! Let's compensate by geoengineering!"
DO NOT DO THIS. If it works and you overshoot, you'll induce another ice age, which can happen in as few as a couple of years. Unlike moving in from the oceans over 100-300 years (a nuisance, and less damaging to human life than slowing technological advancement by massive intervention in the economy) an ice age will indeed, and actually, and rapidly kill billions of people.
Lik Willy Wonka, I will sigh and burble flatedly, "No. Stop. Don't do it." but the children won't listen.
I knew Australia was in trouble, freedom-wise, when a judge stripped a dwarf of his right to be tossed in bars for profit, saying it violated the dwarf's "dignity".
So he stripped the dwarf of the dignity of being a sef-reliant, self-deciding, sovereign individual and turned him into a ward of his local royal highness.
The vast majority in prison are for drug or other consenting pseudo-crimes, none of which would be there in a libertarian utopia.
Secondly, libertarians are fine with government-run prisons. It's one of the few things we think government should actually do. Calving it off for private (which wouldn't be even suggested with a vastly reduced prison population) to for-profit private enterprise is a. thing people woupd be agnostic about until proven better. In any case, that's driven by decidedly un-libertarian types like Cheney.
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As Ukraine is under military assault by Russia at the moment, they should abandon any complaint monitoring for the time being.
It's Searle's argument, which I did not fully appreciate as an AI pup. Consciousness, whatever it is, is a real, physical phenomenon, and therefore must arise out of real-world physics.
Interpretive symbol pushing is not such a process. We don't know what part of the brain's physics gives rise to consciousness as a real, physical phenomenon, but it isn't from an abstract interpretation of electrons or chemicals.
Note I am not saying you couldn't simulate consciousness, but said simulatiou would not actually be conscious in the sense of experiencing the greenness of green. I also don't think a perfect simulation of physics as we know it would give rise to simulated consciousness even. There is something else we are missing.
It's an energy issue. With a magical energy source, you could set up massive but cheap industrial distilleries and just boil billions of gallons of seawater a day.
Raise the price of water until people use something else? Oh wait, that's the capitalist solution.
No, that's the command-and-control socialist solution, the "rationer's rationalization" solution.
The capitalist solution would involve getting rid of red tape stopping capitalism from responding to satisfy a need. It's sad places like California have to generate needless emergencies just to temporarily get the government out of the way.
It occurs to me terrorists could probe the system by attempting flights to determine the extent of monitoring of their activities and size of their circles. In this case, it is against government interest to ban them all.
Furthermore an overshooting to far too many people would partially mask this and engender a faix confidence in terrorists that the government was throwing spaghetti at the wall.
Hmmm, wheels within wheels and counter-strategies.
Yeah, which is why the judge is asking to be allowed to review the material for constitutionality in private.
Is there any possible way that a 'No Fly List' could be constitutional?
Absent conviction of a crime, or wartime evidence of danger or collusion, ???
Taking the issues wihout hyperventillation:
- Yes, releasing thr rules would allow terrorists to avoid triggers and game the system.
- A judge may not be the best judge of applicability of state secrets, but the secret makers are a far worse self-judge. Dragging this in front of a nominally public court once in awhile is a core check and balance. It is the only kind of thing to do this.
I am fine being remembered for pointing out yet again we will be better off in 100, 200 or 300 years keeping the economy strong and forging ahead with technological advancement than slowing it by draconian clamps on the economy (there are many clamps beside environmental remediation).
100 years ago we barely had simple planes and no antibiotics. Horses were still common in the streets. Had they slowed down their growth to "help" us, well, thanks for nuthin', Gentleman Jim.
The best thing we can do for future generations is keep things going.
I remain confident it is the hyperventillation crowd that will be proved murderously dangerous idiots in the long run. I am fine going down on record with that prediction.
We also have no reason to believe our simulated universe simulates physics as it exists in the "real" world.
In any case, your consciousness is a real phenomenon, and thus cannot be a result of simulated physics. A simulated consciousness would squeal when pricked, but would not have the subjective experience. A simulated consciousness would no more be conscious than a simulated fire would actually be hot.
The day will come when politicians start to suggest forcing removal of steering wheels because human-driven cars are the only thing getting into accidents anymore.
This will accelerate as it starts -- people will drive themselves less, so they will have less practice and thus be worse, getting into even more accidents when they drive. I have some 20,000 hours of driving experience, putting me at an Olympic level of training. This will be a thing of the past.
Quakeworld had limited prediction as an "improvement" over original Quake. It had a tough time with rocket jumping. More often than not the screen would freeze and a few seconds later, you'd find yourself running in a corner, the jump never having occurred, or missed badly.
Government, glomming on more power whenever it can, has long viewed your records and activities held by wire in companies as not private.
Yet as more and more of life is virtual, constitutional protections against search should travel along with you into cyberspace.
Why create a virtual world just to give government, hungry for power, a virtual world in which to establish a Panopticon?
It's not hidden - it's all over the place, if you are stupid enough to watch it. Family sites are right to censor or remove it.
Never tires. Wait.
Always tires.
So, they are Economic Heroes, satisfying a need in a market as all free people are free to do.
I am sure they will conjur some other reason, like they didn't bribe inspectors his month like everybody else.
In the US, the ban was during takeoff and landing, for safety reasons, as there wasn't enough room for recovery efforts by the pilot.
Bans in use while cruising were FCC, not FAA, because your high speed confused and stressed the cell phone network, and had nothing to do with safety.
Disadvantaged? Capitalism is making their average health, wealth, and longevity skyrocket. No, if concern over the poor in third world countries is your metric, the only people to say "fuck you" to are western liberals who decry this as a "race to the bottom".
He apparently had 700,000 friends. Quite a lot for a nerd.
Yeah, America! That's in feet, not communist metric! Pixel res of 1970 feet per. What accuracy! Go suck a steak in cream, you metric surrender monkeys!
We've never had freedom of expression in the UK. Or Freedom of Speech. Or Government by the consent of the people.
With no constiutional protection for things like freedom of speech, the only thing you have is consent of the people.
Constitutional protections were designed to balk against abuses by dictators, but are intended to hold back demagogues leading The Holy People.
Googlexand Facebook are more interested in if I want to buy Twizzlers or muffler repair.
Submit everthing but the latest and greatest bugs.
> Superprotection mandate
Call it Ex Cathedra and get it over with.
If I were a schill for big business, I'd be all, "Yeah yeah! Do it! Let's compensate by geoengineering!"
DO NOT DO THIS. If it works and you overshoot, you'll induce another ice age, which can happen in as few as a couple of years. Unlike moving in from the oceans over 100-300 years (a nuisance, and less damaging to human life than slowing technological advancement by massive intervention in the economy) an ice age will indeed, and actually, and rapidly kill billions of people.
Lik Willy Wonka, I will sigh and burble flatedly, "No. Stop. Don't do it." but the children won't listen.
I knew Australia was in trouble, freedom-wise, when a judge stripped a dwarf of his right to be tossed in bars for profit, saying it violated the dwarf's "dignity".
So he stripped the dwarf of the dignity of being a sef-reliant, self-deciding, sovereign individual and turned him into a ward of his local royal highness.
" I decide when you have dignity, not you, dwarf!"
> This is a libertarian utopia
You, sir, are ignorant.
The vast majority in prison are for drug or other consenting pseudo-crimes, none of which would be there in a libertarian utopia.
Secondly, libertarians are fine with government-run prisons. It's one of the few things we think government should actually do. Calving it off for private (which wouldn't be even suggested with a vastly reduced prison population) to for-profit private enterprise is a. thing people woupd be agnostic about until proven better. In any case, that's driven by decidedly un-libertarian types like Cheney.