Microsoft Works (haha what were they thinking) at least in the UK comes with Word 2002. It doesn't say whether it's Pro, Home, Idiot Version or whatever but it works the same as the Word 2002 I use at work as far as I can tell.
Opening multiple documents doesn't work properly either: each one appears as a separate taskbar item, cluttering my taskbar. If you open multiple docs in MS Word, they all live as different child windows inside the single MS Word main window; this is how it should be. You should tell Microsoft that too since Word 2002 does exactly that.
You said they were easily replaced thus implying little to no value. People aren't the same as paperclips, they don't come in exactly the same size or shape. Some of the best ideas come from the factory floor (if the boss can be bothered to listen) because those are the guys making the stuff.
Won't matter if it's better, Microsoft have a bigger marketing budget and even if they don't help themselves to your ideas they'll just FUD you out of existence.
You seem to think I'm justifying terrorism which I'm not, but terrorism takes many forms and saying "it's regrettable" when civilians die is no excuse whatsoever to those who have lost their families. There was very little justification for the Iraq war, and although I'm glad Saddam is gone, I still remember who were his greatest supporters - my government and yours, none of whom will stand trial alongside him. The trouble with the victimisers is that they tend to be pretty much untouchable. You think a terrorist could get anywhere near the US President or the UK Prime Minister? Perhaps if there was a truly independent World Court that the victims could bring suit in then it would be different, but there isn't so what alternative do the weak have. Take it and shut up? Civilised people, by definition, wouldn't support mass-murdering dictators or pursue an illegal war against a country that posed no threat to us. You want Islamic terrorists to comply with civilised standards then it's about time your government and mine do the same. I'll work on mine, are you going to work on yours?
Well pissing people off enough so that they're willing to kill themselves by flying aeroplanes into buildings doesn't exactly help. The US's open society is irrelevant, terrorists exist and operate in much more locked down countries like Turkey. Many more Muslims have died at the hands of the US and their allies than US citizens, what did you think was going to happen? Windows before SP2 wasn't like the US before 9/11 anyway, it's more like a country with no border controls at all and no police force unless you pay for your own protection. As for the technical elite, how many people not in that category you despise even knew of the existence of the Windows Firewall or what it did?
Their web browser until SP2 had the default option to allow malicious websites to download anything to your PC. That is incompetence on a grand scale and has cost people a fortune. And the response? "User stupidity" *sigh*.
I can't believe you can use the word sanity and Microsoft in the same post. The spyware and viruses are so prolific on Windows because of the appalling design of their software, which has finally, far too late, been addressed by XP SP2 (which doesn't help those poor saps still using earlier versions of Windows).
I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. Of course I want bin Laden brought to justice. Of course I'm happy to see Saddam in prison. However I don't see why those who were happy to support them and how are happy to commit their own atrocities by proxy shouldn't also be standing trial. Terrorism is wrong but terrorism isn't just madmen blowing themselves up in crowded tube stations, it's also 'security' forces killing civilians throwing stones and superpowers dropping cluster bombs on farmers. The strong preying on the weak may well be a fact of life, but you shouldn't be surprised if the weak then turn round and give you a black eye.
And you seem to think that I don't think that a military solution can ever work. However as in the WWII conflict it should be a last not a first resort. The problems in Ireland sprang from the British screwing them for several hundred years. Likewise the problems in the Middle East spring from the West with the US in particular screwing them. I despise the scum that killed US, UK and Spanish civilians, but I also see that it was a reaction against the deaths of Arab civilians over the past fifty years or more. How complicated is the concept that you don't stop Arabs killing Americans by killing more Arabs?
I never said it was perfect, however it's been a very long time since an Irishman planted a bomb in this country. At least the Protestant and Catholic leaders are talking to each other now, a situation we didn't have even ten years ago.
Oh yes the Europeans paid zero for their soldiers, their conventional and nuclear weapons and their espionage services in all that time. Did you know there were European soldiers stationed all over western Europe. Did good ole Uncle Sam pay their wages? You've also forgotten that helping defend your major trading partners from being invaded was protecting your interests haven't you? You think that the US economy would have done so well in the situation of the complete collapse of western Europe and the likely subsequent occupation by Soviet forces. Don't get me wrong I am very grateful to the people of the US for helping reconstruct Europe after a devastating war and helping defend us against the Soviet Union. But:
(a) you didn't beat either Germany or Russia alone and it is a shocking insult to the memories of those who died in WW2 or at the hands of the KGB to suggest otherwise.
(b) helping us doesn't mean that we always have to do what you say. That's not ingratitude that's common sense. NATO is a partnership not a dictatorship.
Yep that worked out so well for empires in the past. There's a reason why the US is hated and it isn't jealousy. Osama Bin Laden is a multi-millionaire but he's jealous of you yeh right. You know how the UK stopped Irishmen blowing up our cities. We spent nearly 30 years of getting ever more draconian and then after actually negotiating with the terrorists we've had virtually no trouble with them at all in the last 10. It may turn some people's stomachs to see Gerry Adams being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize but up until our ass-kisser leader dragged us into a pointless war, UK citizens didn't have to worry about being blown up anymore.
If bridges were built like software projects you would get this:
You estimate the bridge will take 3 years to build; management say that's not acceptable you've got a year; The bridge takes 5 years to build and the road is full of holes; The first time a car falls through one of those holes, ramps are built to allow the cars to leap over them.
Don't blame the engineers as much as the shoddy processes and the idea that good software can be knocked up in a weekend.
When you have to run your web browser in a virtual machine to avoid the idiotic design biting you in the ass then it is quite obviously a useless piece of shit. I get an order of magnitude less malware than I did before I installed Firefox and have better functionality than IE. Dunno about Mozilla I think the last time I used it was about Milestone 15 lol.
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No, now they announce what floor you're on for a couple of seconds before opening the door.
Microsoft Works (haha what were they thinking) at least in the UK comes with Word 2002. It doesn't say whether it's Pro, Home, Idiot Version or whatever but it works the same as the Word 2002 I use at work as far as I can tell.
Opening multiple documents doesn't work properly either: each one appears as a separate taskbar item, cluttering my taskbar. If you open multiple docs in MS Word, they all live as different child windows inside the single MS Word main window; this is how it should be.
You should tell Microsoft that too since Word 2002 does exactly that.
You said they were easily replaced thus implying little to no value. People aren't the same as paperclips, they don't come in exactly the same size or shape. Some of the best ideas come from the factory floor (if the boss can be bothered to listen) because those are the guys making the stuff.
Won't matter if it's better, Microsoft have a bigger marketing budget and even if they don't help themselves to your ideas they'll just FUD you out of existence.
So you're basically saying that the people who make stuff do no valuable work at all?
I lost 44 pounds, perhaps MS should sign up and lose several pounds of chair-throwing, monkey-dancing flab.
Yeh they do you get a letter from the BSA before they turn up.
You seem to think I'm justifying terrorism which I'm not, but terrorism takes many forms and saying "it's regrettable" when civilians die is no excuse whatsoever to those who have lost their families. There was very little justification for the Iraq war, and although I'm glad Saddam is gone, I still remember who were his greatest supporters - my government and yours, none of whom will stand trial alongside him.
The trouble with the victimisers is that they tend to be pretty much untouchable. You think a terrorist could get anywhere near the US President or the UK Prime Minister? Perhaps if there was a truly independent World Court that the victims could bring suit in then it would be different, but there isn't so what alternative do the weak have. Take it and shut up?
Civilised people, by definition, wouldn't support mass-murdering dictators or pursue an illegal war against a country that posed no threat to us. You want Islamic terrorists to comply with civilised standards then it's about time your government and mine do the same. I'll work on mine, are you going to work on yours?
Well pissing people off enough so that they're willing to kill themselves by flying aeroplanes into buildings doesn't exactly help. The US's open society is irrelevant, terrorists exist and operate in much more locked down countries like Turkey. Many more Muslims have died at the hands of the US and their allies than US citizens, what did you think was going to happen?
Windows before SP2 wasn't like the US before 9/11 anyway, it's more like a country with no border controls at all and no police force unless you pay for your own protection. As for the technical elite, how many people not in that category you despise even knew of the existence of the Windows Firewall or what it did?
Dubya has a BASIC? I'd hate to see the syntax for that.
Their web browser until SP2 had the default option to allow malicious websites to download anything to your PC. That is incompetence on a grand scale and has cost people a fortune. And the response? "User stupidity" *sigh*.
I can't believe you can use the word sanity and Microsoft in the same post. The spyware and viruses are so prolific on Windows because of the appalling design of their software, which has finally, far too late, been addressed by XP SP2 (which doesn't help those poor saps still using earlier versions of Windows).
I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. Of course I want bin Laden brought to justice. Of course I'm happy to see Saddam in prison. However I don't see why those who were happy to support them and how are happy to commit their own atrocities by proxy shouldn't also be standing trial. Terrorism is wrong but terrorism isn't just madmen blowing themselves up in crowded tube stations, it's also 'security' forces killing civilians throwing stones and superpowers dropping cluster bombs on farmers.
The strong preying on the weak may well be a fact of life, but you shouldn't be surprised if the weak then turn round and give you a black eye.
MS certainly created an easy target for virus and spyware authors. Not quite so sure about the rest of your argument.
And you seem to think that I don't think that a military solution can ever work. However as in the WWII conflict it should be a last not a first resort.
The problems in Ireland sprang from the British screwing them for several hundred years.
Likewise the problems in the Middle East spring from the West with the US in particular screwing them.
I despise the scum that killed US, UK and Spanish civilians, but I also see that it was a reaction against the deaths of Arab civilians over the past fifty years or more.
How complicated is the concept that you don't stop Arabs killing Americans by killing more Arabs?
What does your conscience say about all the Afghan and Iraqi civilians that died in the war on terror?
I'm sure the largest software company in the world could easily have said fuck off to Hollywood.
I never said it was perfect, however it's been a very long time since an Irishman planted a bomb in this country. At least the Protestant and Catholic leaders are talking to each other now, a situation we didn't have even ten years ago.
Oh yes the Europeans paid zero for their soldiers, their conventional and nuclear weapons and their espionage services in all that time. Did you know there were European soldiers stationed all over western Europe. Did good ole Uncle Sam pay their wages?
You've also forgotten that helping defend your major trading partners from being invaded was protecting your interests haven't you? You think that the US economy would have done so well in the situation of the complete collapse of western Europe and the likely subsequent occupation by Soviet forces.
Don't get me wrong I am very grateful to the people of the US for helping reconstruct Europe after a devastating war and helping defend us against the Soviet Union. But:
(a) you didn't beat either Germany or Russia alone and it is a shocking insult to the memories of those who died in WW2 or at the hands of the KGB to suggest otherwise.
(b) helping us doesn't mean that we always have to do what you say. That's not ingratitude that's common sense. NATO is a partnership not a dictatorship.
Yep that worked out so well for empires in the past. There's a reason why the US is hated and it isn't jealousy.
Osama Bin Laden is a multi-millionaire but he's jealous of you yeh right.
You know how the UK stopped Irishmen blowing up our cities. We spent nearly 30 years of getting ever more draconian and then after actually negotiating with the terrorists we've had virtually no trouble with them at all in the last 10.
It may turn some people's stomachs to see Gerry Adams being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize but up until our ass-kisser leader dragged us into a pointless war, UK citizens didn't have to worry about being blown up anymore.
If bridges were built like software projects you would get this:
You estimate the bridge will take 3 years to build; management say that's not acceptable you've got a year;
The bridge takes 5 years to build and the road is full of holes;
The first time a car falls through one of those holes, ramps are built to allow the cars to leap over them.
Don't blame the engineers as much as the shoddy processes and the idea that good software can be knocked up in a weekend.
When you have to run your web browser in a virtual machine to avoid the idiotic design biting you in the ass then it is quite obviously a useless piece of shit. I get an order of magnitude less malware than I did before I installed Firefox and have better functionality than IE. Dunno about Mozilla I think the last time I used it was about Milestone 15 lol.
Only if you use KDE or GNOME and as for copying well, Vista is just MS ripping Apple off again.
As long as I get to be Man at Arms I'm all for it.