Am I the only one that dosn't want to make calls, store my calander, play games, listen to MP3's, email, IM, Text Message, all on the same device. What if I deside I want a better game player, what do I do with the rest.
Not to mention a GOOD mp3 player is $200, good portable game system is $100, PDA: $250, Cell Phone: $200. So unless this thing cost $750 what's the chances of it not stinking in atlest one (if not more) of these areas.
Oh, and I'm not buying the component reuse argument. A good PDA screen dosn't make a good Cell phone screen. Plus then all you get is a bunch of software emulated hardware function.. whoohoo
Kazaa realy dons't go out of it's way (or realy at all) to educate it's cutomers about what is legal to share and what's not.
Infact there web site promotes a system of gathering points for sharing. Sharing what I may ask? Some how I don't think my personal poetry or Mpeg's of my cats chasing eachother will be all that interesting to others.
Kazaa != FTP. FTP and HTTP are simply a protocol, kazaa is not, it's beyond that. It has built in search tools that are build for sharing music, movies, and programs. It basicaly is set up for piracy and they are realy doing nothing to discourage it from happening.
I'm replying to myself because I just found this little gem at the bottom
"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."
Yes you are... it's always been illegal. If you don't own a license for the content, you can't have the content... Seriously, weather or not you agree with the law you must admit that it is the law.
I agree with you. It's the authors right to publish his works (speech) how he sees fit. He can put it on T-Shrits, the web, or hand out CD's like AOL. Go to town, this is America after all, have fun.
However, by downloading files from a file trading service you are no longer an "hapless bystander", you are part of a transaction. The transaction is between you and the person you are downloading from. Someone has to be responsible for that transaction as far as copyright issues are concerned.
Now is it you, or the person your downloading from? Honestly, I'm not sure. However, the reality is, the person providing the file can't possibly know if all the many downloaders actually own a license to the tracks they are providing. So practacly, it falls to you to make sure all is well.
Yes, and thats why I said: "people deserve to be able to make money at it". I never said it was a promise, just that your protected from uncompensated distribution of your work.
Unfortunantly your not just paying for that Band's CD... your paying for all the Bands that the label has signed that don't make any money (and there's lots).
However, if you only like one song, go to buymusic.com and buy just the song you like. THe more successfull that business is, the more services like it will see. Vote with your money.
Thats one of the issues that makes this tricky. If the band wants thier work out there, it's there right to do so.
Unfortunantly, the responsibility falls to you, the consumer, to make sure everythings ligit. If some gives you a free car and it turns out to be stolen, you don't get to keep the car.
In most cases this is just common sence. If your using a Napster like service, your taking a risk. If you go to a bands site where they offer downloads your not taking as much of a risk.
In response to the first reply, yes, Apple's music store and buymusic.com is how these things should be sold. However, neither of these is anything remotely like Napster or Kaaza. They are different animals all togther.
To the second person. You say tomato I say tomato. Call it what you will, it's wrong. Someone worked very hard to create the music, someone spent money on production and advertizement.
Yes, the artist don't make as much as the label. However, The label is the one taking all the risk. They foot the bill to have the record made and promoted. They deserve the lions share. If an expensive album goes nowhere, who's out millons??? The label.
Ye who risks reaps the reward.
Oh, they may only be getting 5 cents on the dollar (if that) but if you download it instead of by it, there not even getting that.
Give the industry time, it will adapt. It adapted to VCR's and DVD's and it will adapt again. If consumers demand it, it will happen.
Vote with your money, buy things from buymusic.com or the apple store.
While I don't agree with the punishable amount ($150k for 1 song, come on) no one can tell me that file trading is not stealing. Just because it's easy dosn't make it not wrong.
People, pay for your music. Music is a product, it takes time and energy to create, people deserve to be able to make money at it.
And don't give me any crap about "Well if I like the MP3 I got from Kaaza, I'll go by it". I'm sorry, I don't think so.
You may disagree with how the Record and Movie companies spend the money they take from you, but welcome to capitalizim. People charge what the market will bare. What they do with that money after they have it is there business. If they want to we wastefull, let them. And with a lean mean company comes out and kicks there butt in price, they'll learn.
Everyone wants to be spoon fead there entertainment. You want to hear it on the radio, deside you like it, and then buy the CD. Well theres a price to that, and it's the RIAA. There are tons of independent bands out there selling there CD's for $5 and giving away thier MP3's. But people don't want to put the work in to find them.
You can't have it both ways. Either go find the cheap and (legaly) free music, or put up with what your being spoon fead. Take some responsiblilty on yourself and stop blaming evil corperations that couldn't exisit with out your dollars feeding them.
(no I can't spell, and no, I'm not sorry about it)
My goodness, is he saying there's useless crap flying around the internet! My goodness what ever will we do !?
In all seriousness, the internet, like all things, will reach a balance. To give and exapmple, if everyone's email is to full of spam, people will stop using email, the spammers won't reach anyone, and it will no longer be profitable to send spam. People will utilize a new form of comunication, similar to email but more controled.
We, esspeicaly Americans, are so used to balances being forced on us, though government regulation, that we're not willing to wait for natural processes to work.
The internet is the internet and will always be the internet. That what people want. The protocols may change but the idea will stay the same.
The disk size and format (small DVD) sounds like the GameCube format. I beleve that format is a standard, like mini-CD.
Wonder if this is a new format or if they are using that one. Don't see why they would roll there own with there's already one existing. Of course this is the same company that came up with Beta-Max and Mini Disk.
This would put it at 1/4 of the required Escape velocity for the earth. That's not bad. Of course the phisics get kinda sticky after a while, but you would need far less than an order-of-magnitude increase to reach the required 25k mph.
Also, if you wanted to do satalites you don't want to escape the earths gravity anyway, so you don't need the full 25k.
This could make for a interesting way to launch satalites in the future. Of course you'd be pulling just a few G's when you go from horizontal acceleration to vertial "flight".
And the microwave manufacturer wouldn't say that, neither would Brittany Spears or the Cheerio's people. Why, cause they don't care and it would hurt sales. However, Microsoft cares, and they feel it will hurt sales of their games if they allow it. So they are exercising there rights. That's all.
As for everyone else, yes you agreed to a contract. It states quite clearly that by purchasing and using the product (in this case an Xbox) you agree to follow their licensing agreement. The licensing agreement states quite clearly that you agree not to reverse engineer or modify the product in anyway.
When you mod your xbox you are violating that agreement.
For right or wrong manufactuers have the right to set limits on the goods they sell. They must balance there own interets verses possible negative effects on sales. You made an agreement with the manufacturer when you purchased it to play by there rules. If you don't want to, then don't buy it.
If Microsoft, Sony, whoever wants to make these kinds of restrictions, that's there right. I will decide if it works for me, and if it dosn't, I won't buy.
Plan and simple. There is no monopoly on game concoles.
If you don't notice a student with a Massive MP3 server on your network, fire your admin. In my epxerence comanpies and universities realy arn't paying this much attention. They draft polocies and put procidures in place to basicaly cover there asses. They realy don't care about stoping it.
Perhaps this well be enough of an incentive for network owners to take this stuff seriously. It's breaking the law, and just because you don't agree, dosn't mean you should ignore it.
If you realy hate the DMCA, then protest to your congressmen or support one of the numerous organizations out there dedicated to getting rid of it. But don't act surprised when some acutally inforces the law and uses the system. The RIAA are acting within there rights, the music distributors are not.
First off, you are buying software. The Xbox has a Windows 2k(ish) kernal in it. Not to mention the BIOS and such. The companies have a right to protect that.
Second, Car makers do limit what you can do with your car. If I add proformace parts to my new Ford I void the warentee. So they are saying, "if you due this, your on your own".
What the consol manufacurers are saying, is "I don't want you to do this, cause it could cost me money". Ford dosn't lose anything if I add a turbo to my Focus, but Microsoft losses if you by a Xbox and never by any games, cause your to busy playing with linux.
What Microsoft sold you (at a loss) was a video game player, thats it. Any you agreed, by purchacing it, to only use it as a Video Game player.
Manufacturers have the right to dicated how there products get used if they want to. And you have the right no to buy them. It's not like your harmed if you can't play Halo!
Businesses have to protect themselfs, if they don't then the economy dosn't work.
I'm still paying or going through more hoops then kazaa or friends to get it.. then its not worth it.
I mean realy, Pay for music... that's rediculous. Next thing you know we'll be expected to pay for food, gas, and books. Just because someone went through all the trouble to produce something, package it, and make it available to me, dosn't mean I should actually have to GIVE them something in exchange for it. That's not what America's about people...
This was an awsome flick. I prowdly have the DVD. When it came out orginanly it suffered from bad marketing. People wanted a die-hard or a moonlighting, they wern't ready for a mix...
This may be another feather in the Open Source cap, but I wonder if Open Sources is a good thing in the first place. Think about it for a second. Linux replaces Unix in the server world (which is happening). Companies that make closed source Unix OS's lose money, then they fire people. Company's get used to not paying for software so they start using Open Sources more. More closed source companies lose money, more fire people. Just something to think about when your hacking away at your latest kernal patch. You are writing software so companies can spend less money, executives can give them selves big bonuses for saving money, and vendors can fire people. I'm a consultant for big companies, I've seen it, it happens.
I'm a geek like the rest of you. I love free tools and OS's, and I prase those who work on them. But music is a different matter all together. I also out a recording studio with my Brother (www.screamalongsongs.com), and I can tell you that Bands (even independent ones) spend a great deal of time and money writing and recording music. It's simple not a cheap thing to do. We have a fairly small computer based setup, but we still spent over $10,000 on it. We have to recupe that cost, so we have to charge bands to record. The bands have to recupe thier cost, so they have to charge for the CD.
At the end of the day you are creating a product. And people create products to make money. It wouldn't be fare to buy a box of corn flakes and take it home, and put is in your Plexstor 24x corn copier and make all you want and never by corn flakes again... thats not right, and neither is copying a friends CD to aviod buying it.
Are all listeners pirates, no. Are all CDR's sold used to copy CD's that people would have bought otherwise, no. However, you show me a way to sell unprotected music and still make sure that you can make money on it, and make sure no one is stealing from you, and I'll change my mind. Until then this is the only option we have.
I'd pay for the new Slashdot subscription service if I got posts say 30 minutes before non-subscribers. That way I would half a chance to see the site befor it's slashdot-ed.
When my original NES died after only 2 days of play it took 2 months to get a replacement from Nintendo. The store wouldn't take it back, they said I had to deal with Nintendo directly.
When my Princeton Graphics monitor died I went through three remanufactured replacements before I got one that worked. Well worked well enough that I didn't feel the need to deal with those people any more.
It seems today bad customer service is the norm. I'm not sure why, but it might have something to do with the fact that I never formaly complained to Nintendo or Princeton Graphics. I mean when was the last time you did anything but yell at the poor sap making $7/hour answering the phone. Do you think he reported your frustration up the managment chain? He sure as hell did not. He just noted your trouble ticket as completed in the computer and move on.
If anyone is to blame it is the consumers for puting up with this and continuing to purchase goods from these people. I know I'll never buy a Princeton Graphics monitor again, but I did by a Super Nintendo and a N64.
I work for an HR consulting company. We customize web-based HR software for clients, so I know a thing or two about this. The web IS the future of HR/Accounting applications. Even Peoplesoft is offering a web-based interface to replace thier client-server technology.
I can also say there is Huge money in this. My last project had a $1.5 million buget for a relativly small HR system.
The problem is everyone dose HR differet, so trying to create an open source product that works for even a handfull of businesses (say nothing of a majority) is near impossible. Every company organizes itself different.
To answer the question acutually asked there are several systems from Workscape and Peoplesoft that run on the J2EE platform (specificaly BEA Weblogic) and Oracle. Both of which run on linux.
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Am I the only one that dosn't want to make calls, store my calander, play games, listen to MP3's, email, IM, Text Message, all on the same device. What if I deside I want a better game player, what do I do with the rest.
Not to mention a GOOD mp3 player is $200, good portable game system is $100, PDA: $250, Cell Phone: $200. So unless this thing cost $750 what's the chances of it not stinking in atlest one (if not more) of these areas.
Oh, and I'm not buying the component reuse argument. A good PDA screen dosn't make a good Cell phone screen. Plus then all you get is a bunch of software emulated hardware function.. whoohoo
Kazaa realy dons't go out of it's way (or realy at all) to educate it's cutomers about what is legal to share and what's not.
Infact there web site promotes a system of gathering points for sharing. Sharing what I may ask? Some how I don't think my personal poetry or Mpeg's of my cats chasing eachother will be all that interesting to others.
Kazaa != FTP. FTP and HTTP are simply a protocol, kazaa is not, it's beyond that. It has built in search tools that are build for sharing music, movies, and programs. It basicaly is set up for piracy and they are realy doing nothing to discourage it from happening.
I'm replying to myself because I just found this little gem at the bottom
"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."
Yes you are... it's always been illegal. If you don't own a license for the content, you can't have the content... Seriously, weather or not you agree with the law you must admit that it is the law.
"including a 12-year-old New York City girl who thought downloading songs was fun."
I can't wait for "Sorry your honor, I though takeing CD's from Wal-Mart was fun".
Where are the parents???
I agree with you. It's the authors right to publish his works (speech) how he sees fit. He can put it on T-Shrits, the web, or hand out CD's like AOL. Go to town, this is America after all, have fun.
However, by downloading files from a file trading service you are no longer an "hapless bystander", you are part of a transaction. The transaction is between you and the person you are downloading from. Someone has to be responsible for that transaction as far as copyright issues are concerned.
Now is it you, or the person your downloading from? Honestly, I'm not sure. However, the reality is, the person providing the file can't possibly know if all the many downloaders actually own a license to the tracks they are providing. So practacly, it falls to you to make sure all is well.
Yes, and thats why I said: "people deserve to be able to make money at it". I never said it was a promise, just that your protected from uncompensated distribution of your work.
Unfortunantly your not just paying for that Band's CD... your paying for all the Bands that the label has signed that don't make any money (and there's lots).
However, if you only like one song, go to buymusic.com and buy just the song you like. THe more successfull that business is, the more services like it will see. Vote with your money.
Thats one of the issues that makes this tricky. If the band wants thier work out there, it's there right to do so.
Unfortunantly, the responsibility falls to you, the consumer, to make sure everythings ligit. If some gives you a free car and it turns out to be stolen, you don't get to keep the car.
In most cases this is just common sence. If your using a Napster like service, your taking a risk. If you go to a bands site where they offer downloads your not taking as much of a risk.
In response to the first reply, yes, Apple's music store and buymusic.com is how these things should be sold. However, neither of these is anything remotely like Napster or Kaaza. They are different animals all togther.
To the second person. You say tomato I say tomato. Call it what you will, it's wrong. Someone worked very hard to create the music, someone spent money on production and advertizement.
Yes, the artist don't make as much as the label. However, The label is the one taking all the risk. They foot the bill to have the record made and promoted. They deserve the lions share. If an expensive album goes nowhere, who's out millons??? The label.
Ye who risks reaps the reward.
Oh, they may only be getting 5 cents on the dollar (if that) but if you download it instead of by it, there not even getting that.
Give the industry time, it will adapt. It adapted to VCR's and DVD's and it will adapt again. If consumers demand it, it will happen.
Vote with your money, buy things from buymusic.com or the apple store.
While I don't agree with the punishable amount ($150k for 1 song, come on) no one can tell me that file trading is not stealing. Just because it's easy dosn't make it not wrong.
People, pay for your music. Music is a product, it takes time and energy to create, people deserve to be able to make money at it.
And don't give me any crap about "Well if I like the MP3 I got from Kaaza, I'll go by it". I'm sorry, I don't think so.
You may disagree with how the Record and Movie companies spend the money they take from you, but welcome to capitalizim. People charge what the market will bare. What they do with that money after they have it is there business. If they want to we wastefull, let them. And with a lean mean company comes out and kicks there butt in price, they'll learn.
Everyone wants to be spoon fead there entertainment. You want to hear it on the radio, deside you like it, and then buy the CD. Well theres a price to that, and it's the RIAA. There are tons of independent bands out there selling there CD's for $5 and giving away thier MP3's. But people don't want to put the work in to find them.
You can't have it both ways. Either go find the cheap and (legaly) free music, or put up with what your being spoon fead. Take some responsiblilty on yourself and stop blaming evil corperations that couldn't exisit with out your dollars feeding them.
(no I can't spell, and no, I'm not sorry about it)
My goodness, is he saying there's useless crap flying around the internet! My goodness what ever will we do !?
In all seriousness, the internet, like all things, will reach a balance. To give and exapmple, if everyone's email is to full of spam, people will stop using email, the spammers won't reach anyone, and it will no longer be profitable to send spam. People will utilize a new form of comunication, similar to email but more controled.
We, esspeicaly Americans, are so used to balances being forced on us, though government regulation, that we're not willing to wait for natural processes to work.
The internet is the internet and will always be the internet. That what people want. The protocols may change but the idea will stay the same.
(yes, I can't spell, get over it)
Slashdot had a case of the mondays and frogot itself
The disk size and format (small DVD) sounds like the GameCube format. I beleve that format is a standard, like mini-CD.
Wonder if this is a new format or if they are using that one. Don't see why they would roll there own with there's already one existing. Of course this is the same company that came up with Beta-Max and Mini Disk.
This would put it at 1/4 of the required Escape velocity for the earth. That's not bad. Of course the phisics get kinda sticky after a while, but you would need far less than an order-of-magnitude increase to reach the required 25k mph.
Also, if you wanted to do satalites you don't want to escape the earths gravity anyway, so you don't need the full 25k.
This could make for a interesting way to launch satalites in the future. Of course you'd be pulling just a few G's when you go from horizontal acceleration to vertial "flight".
And the microwave manufacturer wouldn't say that, neither would Brittany Spears or the Cheerio's people. Why, cause they don't care and it would hurt sales. However, Microsoft cares, and they feel it will hurt sales of their games if they allow it. So they are exercising there rights. That's all.
As for everyone else, yes you agreed to a contract. It states quite clearly that by purchasing and using the product (in this case an Xbox) you agree to follow their licensing agreement. The licensing agreement states quite clearly that you agree not to reverse engineer or modify the product in anyway.
When you mod your xbox you are violating that agreement.
For right or wrong manufactuers have the right to set limits on the goods they sell. They must balance there own interets verses possible negative effects on sales. You made an agreement with the manufacturer when you purchased it to play by there rules. If you don't want to, then don't buy it.
If Microsoft, Sony, whoever wants to make these kinds of restrictions, that's there right. I will decide if it works for me, and if it dosn't, I won't buy.
Plan and simple. There is no monopoly on game concoles.
If you don't notice a student with a Massive MP3 server on your network, fire your admin. In my epxerence comanpies and universities realy arn't paying this much attention. They draft polocies and put procidures in place to basicaly cover there asses. They realy don't care about stoping it.
Perhaps this well be enough of an incentive for network owners to take this stuff seriously. It's breaking the law, and just because you don't agree, dosn't mean you should ignore it.
If you realy hate the DMCA, then protest to your congressmen or support one of the numerous organizations out there dedicated to getting rid of it. But don't act surprised when some acutally inforces the law and uses the system. The RIAA are acting within there rights, the music distributors are not.
First off, you are buying software. The Xbox has a Windows 2k(ish) kernal in it. Not to mention the BIOS and such. The companies have a right to protect that.
Second, Car makers do limit what you can do with your car. If I add proformace parts to my new Ford I void the warentee. So they are saying, "if you due this, your on your own".
What the consol manufacurers are saying, is "I don't want you to do this, cause it could cost me money". Ford dosn't lose anything if I add a turbo to my Focus, but Microsoft losses if you by a Xbox and never by any games, cause your to busy playing with linux.
What Microsoft sold you (at a loss) was a video game player, thats it. Any you agreed, by purchacing it, to only use it as a Video Game player.
Manufacturers have the right to dicated how there products get used if they want to. And you have the right no to buy them. It's not like your harmed if you can't play Halo!
Businesses have to protect themselfs, if they don't then the economy dosn't work.
I'm still paying or going through more hoops then kazaa or friends to get it.. then its not worth it.
I mean realy, Pay for music... that's rediculous. Next thing you know we'll be expected to pay for food, gas, and books. Just because someone went through all the trouble to produce something, package it, and make it available to me, dosn't mean I should actually have to GIVE them something in exchange for it. That's not what America's about people...
This was an awsome flick. I prowdly have the DVD. When it came out orginanly it suffered from bad marketing. People wanted a die-hard or a moonlighting, they wern't ready for a mix...
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This may be another feather in the Open Source cap, but I wonder if Open Sources is a good thing in the first place. Think about it for a second. Linux replaces Unix in the server world (which is happening). Companies that make closed source Unix OS's lose money, then they fire people. Company's get used to not paying for software so they start using Open Sources more. More closed source companies lose money, more fire people. Just something to think about when your hacking away at your latest kernal patch. You are writing software so companies can spend less money, executives can give them selves big bonuses for saving money, and vendors can fire people. I'm a consultant for big companies, I've seen it, it happens.
I'm a geek like the rest of you. I love free tools and OS's, and I prase those who work on them. But music is a different matter all together. I also out a recording studio with my Brother (www.screamalongsongs.com), and I can tell you that Bands (even independent ones) spend a great deal of time and money writing and recording music. It's simple not a cheap thing to do. We have a fairly small computer based setup, but we still spent over $10,000 on it. We have to recupe that cost, so we have to charge bands to record. The bands have to recupe thier cost, so they have to charge for the CD.
At the end of the day you are creating a product. And people create products to make money. It wouldn't be fare to buy a box of corn flakes and take it home, and put is in your Plexstor 24x corn copier and make all you want and never by corn flakes again... thats not right, and neither is copying a friends CD to aviod buying it.
Are all listeners pirates, no. Are all CDR's sold used to copy CD's that people would have bought otherwise, no. However, you show me a way to sell unprotected music and still make sure that you can make money on it, and make sure no one is stealing from you, and I'll change my mind. Until then this is the only option we have.
I'd pay for the new Slashdot subscription service if I got posts say 30 minutes before non-subscribers. That way I would half a chance to see the site befor it's slashdot-ed.
When my original NES died after only 2 days of play it took 2 months to get a replacement from Nintendo. The store wouldn't take it back, they said I had to deal with Nintendo directly.
When my Princeton Graphics monitor died I went through three remanufactured replacements before I got one that worked. Well worked well enough that I didn't feel the need to deal with those people any more.
It seems today bad customer service is the norm. I'm not sure why, but it might have something to do with the fact that I never formaly complained to Nintendo or Princeton Graphics. I mean when was the last time you did anything but yell at the poor sap making $7/hour answering the phone. Do you think he reported your frustration up the managment chain? He sure as hell did not. He just noted your trouble ticket as completed in the computer and move on.
If anyone is to blame it is the consumers for puting up with this and continuing to purchase goods from these people. I know I'll never buy a Princeton Graphics monitor again, but I did by a Super Nintendo and a N64.
I work for an HR consulting company. We customize web-based HR software for clients, so I know a thing or two about this. The web IS the future of HR/Accounting applications. Even Peoplesoft is offering a web-based interface to replace thier client-server technology.
I can also say there is Huge money in this. My last project had a $1.5 million buget for a relativly small HR system.
The problem is everyone dose HR differet, so trying to create an open source product that works for even a handfull of businesses (say nothing of a majority) is near impossible. Every company organizes itself different.
To answer the question acutually asked there are several systems from Workscape and Peoplesoft that run on the J2EE platform (specificaly BEA Weblogic) and Oracle. Both of which run on linux.
--No sig, not that clever!