"face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. "
How do you define public interest?
Going to extreme, one could argue that having free food and other services is very much in the interest of public.
When do you stop and draw a line here ?
And tell what is so wrong about protecting ones revenue?
I mean, if we think that making profit is illegal then it should be said openly and without this snipping around the edges.
It very much reminds me of Democratic Party tactics whenever tax cut issues comes up:
in all their rhetoric there is that unspoken hint (sometimes more than hint) that these "rich" people are villains and it is us against them.
Where does this stuff come from? Isn't this country about exactly that. Freedom to pursue ones dream and making as much as possible out of ones abilities?
"During the late 90s, we all know that changed, mostly for the worse "
How can you say that ? Thanks to commercial involvement and consequently greatly increased popularity we have an order of magnitude more information available on the net. Granted some of it is pure junk but, hey isn't that the case with any medium ?
". A state university here is well known to have its biology department almost totally funded by a select few multinational drug corporations, mostly to keep its head afloat. Now, the biology department has mostly turned into a cheap research lab for those companies. "
Well, if they are being funded by private industry we cannot equal it to exploitation can we ?
By the way, I hope you do recognize that real progress is made mainly thanks to financial incentives being present and NOT because of good will of some people.
If you doubt that then example of technological difference between west and old soviet east should put your doubts to rest (unless you believe that Russians are inherently more stupid than we are )
"raise enough money to even put up a decent fight [see: napster, et al]. "
A decent fight ? Remember , napster is being accused of breaking existing law. If you don't like the law you are free to petition for a change but until then you should abide by its current form. Anything else would lead to anarchy.
"We should all demand a truly free system where everybody is guaranteed to inherit income property by virtue of being human, a piece of the pie, so to speak. "
Inherit income generated by whom ?
"Their job is to make sure that everybody gets a fair piece. "
The old same problem. How do you determine what is a fair piece ?
"There is plenty for everybody. This is not a handout from the government because the land has existed for billions of years before any human government appear on earth. "
There is a plenty of what ? It takes a knowledge and lot of work to create modern products ( natural resources aside )
How do you determine how people get paid for that ? Do you pay the same everybody ( no one will be willing to do anything more than bare minimum) or do you pay people according to their skills and importance of the task they are doing ( in this case we are talking about capitalism.)
Only if you are trying to compete with Windows.
I mean, I don't know of any worthwhile games or single user apps ( home apps) running on Solaris and yet this OS is considered to be quite successful.
Well, sign of things to come.
More and more commercial companies will package their products using RPMs and unwillingly
( or willingly) contribute to growth of RedHat and related distributions.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, companies hate uncertainity and increased costs of customer support.
Another one of these idiotic moderators gives testimony to the fact that real opinion sharing is all well on Slashdot, as long as these are leftist.
Just like US academia..
Well, it is better to have companies comply now then be hit with some sort of legal challenge down the road, isn't it ?
If look upon as such , that sentence makes sense.
What's wrong with that ?
You sound like good old socialist , the kind that assumes that people are completely unable to decide on their own and need to be guided by others.
Trust me , if Pat Robertson tries to pull something like that people will recognize it and if they go along, well that was their choice and perhaps they like what he is proposing.
"But if you prefer to live in a society that conducts its most important international meetings in walled-off fortresses, going over documents that even our elected representatives were not allowed to see, that's your problem, isn't it? "
Sure we elected Bush precisely to take care of issues like that.
You are not talking about direct democracy , are you ?
"Unfortunately mindless young people like you are going to bring the planet to ruin. "
Where are the facts ? I am yet to see credible report about planet being "ruined"...
All I encounter are pseudo-news designed to scare people into supporting leftist ( or environmental) cause.
I get tons of requests for support them financially with their letters citing all kinds of disasters that will befall upon us UNLESS we will take action now and send $50 bucks to some place.
Despite the fact that I am not professionally involved in these issues even I was able to completely disprove some of these "facts" cited in these letters.
The only reason these groups can prosper is because of complete ignorance and lack of interest of most Americans who allow themselves to be scared into submission.
"what is going on today, right now, in your supposedly democratic country. "
Funny how native Americans are so quick to decry their own Democracy.
I spent large part of my life living in different country and, for one, I do think US is a great democracy as compared to most of the world.
Precisly.
All these cries of Orwellism come with assumption that somehow this "right-wing" conservative part of this society is going to wipe out our freedoms.
How wrong they are...
What the fuck do you know about communism ?
Tell me, please .
Let me tell you, having spent 20 years of my life inside one of these "people's republic" I can assure you that the media here in the West reports only a fraction of all this shit that was going on here.
It was ( and in some cases still is ) much worse than you think.
That's beatifull.
Every community decides what's acceptable in their public library.
Surely better than having some central "father" deciding what's good for all of us.
You know what ?
I am all for "infiltrating" groups like these protesting in Canada.
I pay taxes for the police to keep my nice, well-persevered little world from being assaulted and destroyed by people who don't know any better.
BTW.
I not 20 years old anymore... I am in my 30s now and , while I do remember 10 years ago I was a bit more extreme in my beliefs than now, I completely fail to understand what is this fuss about.
When you hit 30 you will know what I was talking about.
Very nice indeed ( and mostly right on the target...)
However, you forgot to answer my question...
PS.
As to being sensitive... hmm, I am quite sensitive to people who live in our society enjoying all the perks of our civilization yet routinely engage in demonizing and undermining all that this country stands for.
500 years of imperialism ?
I assume you refer to capitalism...
I will ask again, do you know any other system that offers better standard of living end, frankly more personal freedom ?
BTW.
Everybody had their chance, it is not that Europe somehow had some special treatment from the Gods...
"the shocking true story of corporate executives exploiting their workers to get filthy rich!"
Old, incredibly tired class-warfare bullshit.
Preach your shit when you manage to come up with something that actually works better than capitalism.
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Of course, since communism is completely utopian idea , it cannot exist in its pure form.
USSR was started by bunch of people who genuinely wanted to implement communism, it did not work out well, it has degenerated into totalitarism as did EVERY OTHER attempt at implementing communism.
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"face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. "
How do you define public interest?
Going to extreme, one could argue that having free food and other services is very much in the interest of public.
When do you stop and draw a line here ?
And tell what is so wrong about protecting ones revenue?
I mean, if we think that making profit is illegal then it should be said openly and without this snipping around the edges.
It very much reminds me of Democratic Party tactics whenever tax cut issues comes up:
in all their rhetoric there is that unspoken hint (sometimes more than hint) that these "rich" people are villains and it is us against them.
Where does this stuff come from? Isn't this country about exactly that. Freedom to pursue ones dream and making as much as possible out of ones abilities?
"During the late 90s, we all know that changed, mostly for the worse "
How can you say that ? Thanks to commercial involvement and consequently greatly increased popularity we have an order of magnitude more information available on the net. Granted some of it is pure junk but, hey isn't that the case with any medium ?
". A state university here is well known to have its biology department almost totally funded by a select few multinational drug corporations, mostly to keep its head afloat. Now, the biology department has mostly turned into a cheap research lab for those companies. "
Well, if they are being funded by private industry we cannot equal it to exploitation can we ?
By the way, I hope you do recognize that real progress is made mainly thanks to financial incentives being present and NOT because of good will of some people.
If you doubt that then example of technological difference between west and old soviet east should put your doubts to rest (unless you believe that Russians are inherently more stupid than we are )
"raise enough money to even put up a decent fight [see: napster, et al]. "
A decent fight ? Remember , napster is being accused of breaking existing law. If you don't like the law you are free to petition for a change but until then you should abide by its current form. Anything else would lead to anarchy.
"We should all demand a truly free system where everybody is guaranteed to inherit income property by virtue of being human, a piece of the pie, so to speak. "
Inherit income generated by whom ?
"Their job is to make sure that everybody gets a fair piece. "
The old same problem. How do you determine what is a fair piece ?
"There is plenty for everybody. This is not a handout from the government because the land has existed for billions of years before any human government appear on earth. "
There is a plenty of what ? It takes a knowledge and lot of work to create modern products ( natural resources aside )
How do you determine how people get paid for that ? Do you pay the same everybody ( no one will be willing to do anything more than bare minimum) or do you pay people according to their skills and importance of the task they are doing ( in this case we are talking about capitalism.)
Games ? Single User apps ?
Only if you are trying to compete with Windows.
I mean, I don't know of any worthwhile games or single user apps ( home apps) running on Solaris and yet this OS is considered to be quite successful.
Well, sign of things to come.
More and more commercial companies will package their products using RPMs and unwillingly
( or willingly) contribute to growth of RedHat and related distributions.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, companies hate uncertainity and increased costs of customer support.
Another one of these idiotic moderators gives testimony to the fact that real opinion sharing is all well on Slashdot, as long as these are leftist. ..
Just like US academia
Afraid of your karma ?
How is it illegal to learn what given program does ?
Could you explain that part to me ?
Well, it is better to have companies comply now then be hit with some sort of legal challenge down the road, isn't it ?
If look upon as such , that sentence makes sense.
You neglected to read the story.
Please read it and then look at your response and decide if it still makes sense.
You neglected to read the story.
Please read it and then look at your response and decide if it still makes sense.
What's wrong with that ?
You sound like good old socialist , the kind that assumes that people are completely unable to decide on their own and need to be guided by others.
Trust me , if Pat Robertson tries to pull something like that people will recognize it and if they go along, well that was their choice and perhaps they like what he is proposing.
"But if you prefer to live in a society that conducts its most important international meetings in walled-off fortresses, going over documents that even our elected representatives were not allowed to see, that's your problem, isn't it? "
...
Sure we elected Bush precisely to take care of issues like that.
You are not talking about direct democracy , are you ?
"Unfortunately mindless young people like you are going to bring the planet to ruin. "
Where are the facts ? I am yet to see credible report about planet being "ruined"
All I encounter are pseudo-news designed to scare people into supporting leftist ( or environmental) cause.
I get tons of requests for support them financially with their letters citing all kinds of disasters that will befall upon us UNLESS we will take action now and send $50 bucks to some place.
Despite the fact that I am not professionally involved in these issues even I was able to completely disprove some of these "facts" cited in these letters.
The only reason these groups can prosper is because of complete ignorance and lack of interest of most Americans who allow themselves to be scared into submission.
"what is going on today, right now, in your supposedly democratic country. "
Funny how native Americans are so quick to decry their own Democracy.
I spent large part of my life living in different country and, for one, I do think US is a great democracy as compared to most of the world.
Precisly. ...
All these cries of Orwellism come with assumption that somehow this "right-wing" conservative part of this society is going to wipe out our freedoms.
How wrong they are
What the fuck do you know about communism ?
Tell me, please .
Let me tell you, having spent 20 years of my life inside one of these "people's republic" I can assure you that the media here in the West reports only a fraction of all this shit that was going on here.
It was ( and in some cases still is ) much worse than you think.
"Online" ...
Good one.
That's beatifull.
Every community decides what's acceptable in their public library.
Surely better than having some central "father" deciding what's good for all of us.
You know what ?
... I am in my 30s now and , while I do remember 10 years ago I was a bit more extreme in my beliefs than now, I completely fail to understand what is this fuss about.
I am all for "infiltrating" groups like these protesting in Canada.
I pay taxes for the police to keep my nice, well-persevered little world from being assaulted and destroyed by people who don't know any better.
BTW.
I not 20 years old anymore
When you hit 30 you will know what I was talking about.
Very nice indeed ( and mostly right on the target ...)
...
... hmm, I am quite sensitive to people who live in our society enjoying all the perks of our civilization yet routinely engage in demonizing and undermining all that this country stands for.
However, you forgot to answer my question
PS.
As to being sensitive
500 years of imperialism ? ...
I assume you refer to capitalism
I will ask again, do you know any other system that offers better standard of living end, frankly more personal freedom ?
BTW.
Everybody had their chance, it is not that Europe somehow had some special treatment from the Gods...
"the shocking true story of corporate executives exploiting their workers to get filthy rich!"
Old, incredibly tired class-warfare bullshit.
Preach your shit when you manage to come up with something that actually works better than capitalism.
Of course, since communism is completely utopian idea , it cannot exist in its pure form.
USSR was started by bunch of people who genuinely wanted to implement communism, it did not work out well, it has degenerated into totalitarism as did EVERY OTHER attempt at implementing communism.
"To me "them" is the FBI/police/CIA/politicians/businesses and "us" is the people."
FBI/police/CIA ARE the people.
BTW.
You live in a free country, enjoy it.
Belive me, compared to what's out there US is a heaven and definition of freedom.
How noble of you.
Just remember next time you are about to get mugged.
Don't call the caps.