Lets try a less blown out of porportion analogy, Dmitri's software wasn't gonna kill anyone.
Ford sells cars under an agreement that you can't look under the hood and the make a "special" hood locking mechanism to prevent you from unlocking it. Russia doesn't care about Ford's IP rights cause they need to fix cars for little cash. In not too much time a clever Russian discovers that a modified screwdriver (rot-13) unlocks the hood. He brings these screw drivers to the US and sells a couple, even a few to the FBI, while telling everyone that's is just a stupid modified screwdirver. Ford gets pissy and has them arrested.
both of you cought my use of "accurate". Hold accurate to mean "close to the underlying truth" and you might get my gist. Look at it this way Newtonian Physics was more accurate than Ptolemaic Astronomy. Einsteinian Physics is more accurate than Newtonain, and so on. Physics changes there are tons of _theories_ and fewer _laws_ that we no longer regard as the "truth" that once were seen as the only logical way things could possibly be at the time. You're saying we're close to the end, that pure natural truth is just around the corner, I suggesting that maybe the ride has just begun and we have a long way to go. Who knows, maybe tommorrow some one will discover something that changes everything again. It's happened more than once before.
Maybe this gave you an insight into my thoughts on the matter.
Let me also disagree with sharkticon. I believe that physics is a collection of explanations for the phenomenons we experience. Sure there are forces and relationships that cause the universe to be as it is today and that is the subject matter of physics. Put simply (physics != truth)
If you still disagree that's ok I can agree to disagree, not much to do now as we have enter the belief zone, which is generally where the infinite regress ends. PS sharkticon, bollocks is a word, not a phrase =)
You are correct to a certian extent, technology and knowledge are man made, nature is not. Physics, however, is man made. In your own counter argument you said Moore's observation applies to technology and knowledge, two inherent ingredients to physics. As our technology and knowledge grows so does our ability to penetrate to the "underlying truths of nature". Hence why we no longer believe newtonian physics to be accurate. I'm just pointing out that it _MAY_ be the case that Moore's law will constrain physics, instead of physics constaining Moore's law. (something the author doesn't even consider)
Technology does have the ability to alter how we interpret observations about nature. =)
I have a big problem with the first two paragraphs. In the first paragraph Geon states:
"It pays to keep in mind, however, that this isn't really a law, but only an observation, and does not reflect any underlying natural truths. "
In the second paraghraph he states:
"What we know is that any future technologies must obey and be constrained by the laws of physics."
I'd just like to say that I don't know that tomorrow's computing will be constrained by today's physics. This guy attacks Moore's law as being merely an observation, well what the hell is physics? It's a bunch of theories that try to explain observations! If no one ever observed anything, then there wouldn't be any physics. The moore (pardon the pun) observations we make, ideally, the closer to "the underlying truth" we get. Who knows maybe Moore's law points to an underlying truth in the drive of humankind that will actually constrain physics and change forever the way we progress and develope as a society. I'm not trying to troll here, I just didn't like the way he trash talked one observation while relying on the "inherent truths" of another. Who made him god?
Boohoo, my PowerBook 3400, PowerPC 7200, 7100, etc aren't supported. Yeah, well I have an ANS running champion server 1.1 and that's "not supported". Grow a pair, put on some black socks with white sneakers and make it fit!
I'm not trying to troll here but if you ask for a kleenex(tm) and get a tissue are you gonna complain? What if you xerox(tm) some copies on a canon color copier? Some trademarks are victims of their own popularity and become part of our language. It's a marketing wet dream and nightmare rolled into one. Everyone is saying your brand name, but you lost your brand recognition.
Actually the US is a representitive democracy so technically the somewhat filtered views of the citizens rule (as opposed to capitalism). The words profits, shareholders, and IP don't appear in the constitution, but the word _people_ does a lot.
Harper's magazine ran an article like this back in 1998 about M$ tech 'suppo and psychic hotlines. Gotta admit tho, three years later and it's still funy!:)
That would be nice! I'm sure M$ put some similar legal mumbo jumbo on that screen we all press F8 on without reading. Maybe we could change our motto to "The first penguin state":)
I feel perfectly fine setting blame sqarely on the shoulders of these two kids because they were just bad. I play 1st person shooters, have since Castle Wolfenstein. I've dressed in black and listenen to hardcore heavy metal. I've owned a gun since I was twelve. But I NEVER thought Hilter was a cool guy like these kids did. I never shot innocent people like these kids did. Maybe people sometimes just turn out bad through no one's fault but their own. Why can't folks accept that and stop looking for someone else to blame?
according to ARIN whois the MPAA uses:
64.166.187.144 -> 64.166.187.151
63.199.57.120 -> 63.199.57.120
198.70.114.0 -> 198.70.114.255
Just filter those addresses (and the address of companies that do their dirty work) at your firewall, router, or on you're pc and viola! Don't allow them the PRIVILAGE of using you're network applications.
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Lets try a less blown out of porportion analogy, Dmitri's software wasn't gonna kill anyone.
Ford sells cars under an agreement that you can't look under the hood and the make a "special" hood locking mechanism to prevent you from unlocking it. Russia doesn't care about Ford's IP rights cause they need to fix cars for little cash. In not too much time a clever Russian discovers that a modified screwdriver (rot-13) unlocks the hood. He brings these screw drivers to the US and sells a couple, even a few to the FBI, while telling everyone that's is just a stupid modified screwdirver. Ford gets pissy and has them arrested.
Still sound like a good law?
He just gave others the ability to. The analogy should be:
Imagine if IBM arrested people for writing software that could be used to clone one's BIOS.
NTI, not troll intended
We've also added support to natively connect to Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Unix-based SAMBA file servers with the built-in SMB client.
Since Yellow Dog is so new, security is obviously very good.
This is not obvious. Furthermore the security of an OS is not causally related to age of the release.
Note to all IT professionals: Security through obscurity NEVER WORKS.
both of you cought my use of "accurate". Hold accurate to mean "close to the underlying truth" and you might get my gist. Look at it this way Newtonian Physics was more accurate than Ptolemaic Astronomy. Einsteinian Physics is more accurate than Newtonain, and so on. Physics changes there are tons of _theories_ and fewer _laws_ that we no longer regard as the "truth" that once were seen as the only logical way things could possibly be at the time. You're saying we're close to the end, that pure natural truth is just around the corner, I suggesting that maybe the ride has just begun and we have a long way to go. Who knows, maybe tommorrow some one will discover something that changes everything again. It's happened more than once before.
Maybe this gave you an insight into my thoughts on the matter.
Let me also disagree with sharkticon. I believe that physics is a collection of explanations for the phenomenons we experience. Sure there are forces and relationships that cause the universe to be as it is today and that is the subject matter of physics. Put simply (physics != truth)
If you still disagree that's ok I can agree to disagree, not much to do now as we have enter the belief zone, which is generally where the infinite regress ends. PS sharkticon, bollocks is a word, not a phrase =)
good debate!
You are correct to a certian extent, technology and knowledge are man made, nature is not. Physics, however, is man made. In your own counter argument you said Moore's observation applies to technology and knowledge, two inherent ingredients to physics. As our technology and knowledge grows so does our ability to penetrate to the "underlying truths of nature". Hence why we no longer believe newtonian physics to be accurate. I'm just pointing out that it _MAY_ be the case that Moore's law will constrain physics, instead of physics constaining Moore's law. (something the author doesn't even consider)
Technology does have the ability to alter how we interpret observations about nature. =)
I have a big problem with the first two paragraphs. In the first paragraph Geon states:
"It pays to keep in mind, however, that this isn't really a law, but only an observation, and does not reflect any underlying natural truths. "
In the second paraghraph he states:
"What we know is that any future technologies must obey and be constrained by the laws of physics."
I'd just like to say that I don't know that tomorrow's computing will be constrained by today's physics. This guy attacks Moore's law as being merely an observation, well what the hell is physics? It's a bunch of theories that try to explain observations! If no one ever observed anything, then there wouldn't be any physics. The moore (pardon the pun) observations we make, ideally, the closer to "the underlying truth" we get. Who knows maybe Moore's law points to an underlying truth in the drive of humankind that will actually constrain physics and change forever the way we progress and develope as a society. I'm not trying to troll here, I just didn't like the way he trash talked one observation while relying on the "inherent truths" of another. Who made him god?
Maybe I shouldn't have registered
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Boohoo, my PowerBook 3400, PowerPC 7200, 7100, etc aren't supported. Yeah, well I have an ANS running champion server 1.1 and that's "not supported". Grow a pair, put on some black socks with white sneakers and make it fit!
I can't believe the didn't use spread spectrum frequency hopping to secure such sensitive data!
The ancient greek word for "boundless". Actually the word is apeiron but it's close enough.
if you wanted to really kick ass you could get a HDTV with a svga input!
SWM ISO [S|D]WF with PS2. Please send pic of PS2 along with list of high scores. I look forward to kicking your butt in NHL2000!
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just kidding
At least we still have aimster, gnutella, hotline, freenet, opennap, [...]
I'm not trying to troll here but if you ask for a kleenex(tm) and get a tissue are you gonna complain? What if you xerox(tm) some copies on a canon color copier? Some trademarks are victims of their own popularity and become part of our language. It's a marketing wet dream and nightmare rolled into one. Everyone is saying your brand name, but you lost your brand recognition.
Actually the US is a representitive democracy so technically the somewhat filtered views of the citizens rule (as opposed to capitalism). The words profits, shareholders, and IP don't appear in the constitution, but the word _people_ does a lot.
First all my base are belong to M$, then they hand it over to l33t h4>0rs!
Harper's magazine ran an article like this back in 1998 about M$ tech 'suppo and psychic hotlines. Gotta admit tho, three years later and it's still funy! :)
That would be nice! I'm sure M$ put some similar legal mumbo jumbo on that screen we all press F8 on without reading. Maybe we could change our motto to "The first penguin state" :)
I feel perfectly fine setting blame sqarely on the shoulders of these two kids because they were just bad. I play 1st person shooters, have since Castle Wolfenstein. I've dressed in black and listenen to hardcore heavy metal. I've owned a gun since I was twelve. But I NEVER thought Hilter was a cool guy like these kids did. I never shot innocent people like these kids did. Maybe people sometimes just turn out bad through no one's fault but their own. Why can't folks accept that and stop looking for someone else to blame?
Ranger Online has the following netblock: 204.92.244.208 - 204.92.244.223 feel free to route that to lo0 :)
according to ARIN whois the MPAA uses: 64.166.187.144 -> 64.166.187.151 63.199.57.120 -> 63.199.57.120 198.70.114.0 -> 198.70.114.255 Just filter those addresses (and the address of companies that do their dirty work) at your firewall, router, or on you're pc and viola! Don't allow them the PRIVILAGE of using you're network applications.