I've been using the ATI packages for over two years now (first on Debian, now on Ubuntu) without any major problems (at least due to the installation procedure).
Of course if you overwrite a file installed from the package you'll have to reinstall the generated ATI files (using that oh-so-complex 'dpkg -i' command). This is no different than installing the nVidia drivers from the nVidia package.
Except that the security hole that was reported by Rapid7 was only present for two driver versions and was not present for two years, despite the multitude of claims. There was a bug, concerning the RENDER extension, that reared it's head in 2004 and affected numerous drivers, not just nVidia's.
So now the only reasonable option for the OS you purchased after you do something common like toss in a new video card, is to go out and get a pirate version?
Or you could just dial the 800 number they provide and spend 5-10 minutes on the phone to get a new key.
She has the constitutional right to publish her article and take the actions she did. That doesn't mean she has the constitutional right to be free of any and all consequences of her behaviour.
The worst are the ones who think that e-mail is instantaneous and don't understand why their coworker or friend hasn't gotten an e-mail they just sent two minutes ago.
If Linus is the poster-child for the open-source movement it's because the open-source movement made him the poster child, not because Linus wanted it. It's not Linus' fault that the open-source movement made a mistake by using him as the poster child.
Uhmmm... As I understand it, XGI and Via simly released the source for their 2D drivers. ATI, on the other hand, has released specs for the 2D core of their cards. They've also released specs for the 3D core of their older (r100 & r200) radeon cards. In addition, ATI releases binary-only drivers for all their radeon cards.
Seems to me that XGI and VIA have some catching up to do.
None of that means anything about whether it is a good desktop OS.
And that's where we disagree. In my opinion, a good desktop OS should make it simple to update/upgrade software packages that are installed through the official method. Currently, DragonFly doesn't succeed at that. It certainly has potential, and you'll never hear me say that it's unstable, but unless a user has a very specific purpose for it, and knows that their needed packages/ports will install (and be up-to-date with what the need), I wouldn't be able to recommend it to that user.
If you are not a developer you should use packages.
If that's the case, why not say that on their website? They don't (or as of this morning, they didn't). Instead, they point out that the FreeBSD ports, combined with the DragonFly dfports is the official method for installing software.
Of course it's not yet perfect, but who would exepct that.
And i've yet to see a desktop without problems.
Nor did I ever make the claim that the developers said it'd be perfect. Far from it. I was simply responding to the top posters question about how DragonFly stacks up as a desktop OS.
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I've been using the ATI packages for over two years now (first on Debian, now on Ubuntu) without any major problems (at least due to the installation procedure).
Of course if you overwrite a file installed from the package you'll have to reinstall the generated ATI files (using that oh-so-complex 'dpkg -i' command). This is no different than installing the nVidia drivers from the nVidia package.
Yes, please excuse my typing errors. It's still early here
Or, it could be because installing ATI drivers (for those of you out there who've done it know this) is an absolute pain in the ass on Ubuntu.
./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/6.10
What's so difficult about:
% sh
% dpkg -i *deb
And, in case anyone wants a reference:
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php
Now can we please stop with the BS complaints that nVidia allowed a known security hole to exist in their drivers for two years.
Except that the security hole that was reported by Rapid7 was only present for two driver versions and was not present for two years, despite the multitude of claims. There was a bug, concerning the RENDER extension, that reared it's head in 2004 and affected numerous drivers, not just nVidia's.
And SGI has already stated that this isn't true.
So now the only reasonable option for the OS you purchased after you do something common like toss in a new video card, is to go out and get a pirate version?
Or you could just dial the 800 number they provide and spend 5-10 minutes on the phone to get a new key.
Don't worry, you don't sound trollish. You sound like a moron.
Can you please let us know what wireless company you work for so I can avoid using them? Thanks.
She has the constitutional right to publish her article and take the actions she did. That doesn't mean she has the constitutional right to be free of any and all consequences of her behaviour.
Sorry, but 15-16 months is not "recent".
Where has Linus ever said he expects/wants/needs to be role model for the open source community?
The only man who never lusted after a woman (or a man), was Jesus Christ.
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Excuse me? I have never once lusted after a woman. Frankly, I've never found the female body attractive. Now the male body? That's another story
Dinivin
It's not a web app.
Why the hell was this modded troll?
While seasons 9 through 13 leave much to be desired, the last few seasons have had any number of outstanding episodes.
Uhh, no, it's not.
Wow, you're not the brightest. It's not Maude that needs a sander, it's the new neighbour, Ruth. Your parent even clearly says that.
Haha... Thanks for the laugh!
Yes, the DragonFly base system is extremely stable. Just don't try and build anything big from ports or pkgsrc, cause it'll probably fail.
The worst are the ones who think that e-mail is instantaneous and don't understand why their coworker or friend hasn't gotten an e-mail they just sent two minutes ago.
If Linus is the poster-child for the open-source movement it's because the open-source movement made him the poster child, not because Linus wanted it. It's not Linus' fault that the open-source movement made a mistake by using him as the poster child.
So no, it's not at all hypocritical.
Uhmmm... As I understand it, XGI and Via simly released the source for their 2D drivers. ATI, on the other hand, has released specs for the 2D core of their cards. They've also released specs for the 3D core of their older (r100 & r200) radeon cards. In addition, ATI releases binary-only drivers for all their radeon cards.
Seems to me that XGI and VIA have some catching up to do.
Dinivin
None of that means anything about whether it is a good desktop OS.
And that's where we disagree. In my opinion, a good desktop OS should make it simple to update/upgrade software packages that are installed through the official method. Currently, DragonFly doesn't succeed at that. It certainly has potential, and you'll never hear me say that it's unstable, but unless a user has a very specific purpose for it, and knows that their needed packages/ports will install (and be up-to-date with what the need), I wouldn't be able to recommend it to that user.
Dinivin
Have you tried to build any of those ports on FreeBSD?
:-)
:-)
Frequently, that's how I know they work
Since DragonFlyBSD just uses the FreeBSD ports collection, you're basically taking your chances trying to compile any port.
That's exactly what I said. Glad we're in agreement
Dinivin
If you are not a developer you should use packages.
If that's the case, why not say that on their website? They don't (or as of this morning, they didn't). Instead, they point out that the FreeBSD ports, combined with the DragonFly dfports is the official method for installing software.
Of course it's not yet perfect, but who would exepct that. And i've yet to see a desktop without problems.
Nor did I ever make the claim that the developers said it'd be perfect. Far from it. I was simply responding to the top posters question about how DragonFly stacks up as a desktop OS.
Dinivin