you do realize saying this only reveals uncritical and simpleminded your thought processes are?
i've seen this useless observation a lot on this site. for you and all the other idiots who continue to think this is wisdom you are imparting here: it adds nothing to a conversation. no one doesn't understand the idea. the only purpose of saying it is to to announce yourself as a simpleton
if the witless pansy freely involves his or herself in a mass murder operation, republican or democrat or whatever, i am happy to fund the very large jail
if the idiot replies in the affirmative at any point in time when it is implied he or she will take place in a mass murder operation, i am ready and willing to fund that really big prison
yeah, it's a honeypot operation. and better the fbi catch the witless pansies before someone hardened and malintentioned puts them to bad use
who do you think puts a bomb in their underwear or in their shoes? who flies airplanes into buildings?
witless pansies do
people who do very horrible things, by order of truly evil people, without any complaint: witless pansies
that's not entrapment. anyone with a functioning cerebellum who can tell the difference between simple right and wrong does not get into this situation
so we agree: we both see witless pansies. but where we disagree is exactly what kind of threat these witless pansies hold. you see entrapment. i see a honeypot
the intersection where genetic evolution, while continuing, has become less important than the new and more important kind of evolution: memetic evolution
the words we say and the ideas we have now shape the world more than the genes we carry
genetic evolution is not over, it's just passe
memetic evolution is the new more important story on this planet
give everyone a toilet brush, toilets will get cleaned. give everyone a hammer, nails will get pounded. give everyone a gun, people will get shot
the availability and easy access of a tool with an intended purpose and meaning makes certain outcomes easier. it's not complicated
the tool itself, and the presence of the tool, has significance. we all reach the limits of our temper at various points in our lives. we will confuse our teenage son sneaking into the house in the dark with an intruder. we will be drunk and clumsy. and in those situations, whether or not a gun is in easy reach radically changes the outcome of the situation
the purpose and presence of the tool matters
the proper quote is
"guns don't kill people, people with guns do"
if you want guns to be legal, fine. but don't depend upon flimsy easily dismantled logic to justify your beliefs
the point of godwin's law is to point out the essential wrongness of comparing someone's opinion to something hitler or a nazi would do. it's just derails an argument into hysteria and absurdity
however if someone were to get really upset here and yell and scream that what the bavarian government is doing here is something hitler or a nazi would do... well, yeah
and i just learned a great phrase: "Reductio ad Hitlerum"
you mean save it from bankruptcy due to the economic fallout from the market crash under the previous republican administration?
oh right, the company should be allowed to fail. because we want all of our industrial sector to move to those evil socialist asian countries?
oh but if you protect and coddle a company it gets weak. market forces will produce the strong. there's a saying: "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." well, the corllary is: what doesn't make you strong, kills you. we're not competing within the walled garden of american rules only, other countries play different games, and "stronger", in the realm of vast complicated multinationals might just mean: "the government has your back in times of crisis." because there is always a crisis, and every other country in the world knows it is wise to keep the industrial sector afloat, rather than let the thing die and go overseas, out of some misguided free market fundamentalism
you have to be a little more flexible. rigid simpleminded ideological opinions always lead to disaster, in any ideological direction
that votes a certain way, that will never understand this, and destroys so much of the country economically, socially, and politically, and really really believes their antisocial cruelty is a good thing
but the common response to this state of affairs is:
1. don't vote. as if not voting means you aren't subject to the will of the government. it's worse than voting randomly
2. "revolution!" cries the anarchist fanboys. that bloody mess is 10,000x worse than the plutocracy we both hate. and nobody controls what kind of government comes out on the other end
the right response?
3. heal your government. vote. get involved
to the problem of the apathetic angry bird player above, i add the problem of the spastic twit who sees corporations trying to influence their government, throw a fit, and completely gives up and cede the entirety of their government to corporate control. wtf?
the people vote. that vote, the will of the people, expressed in aggregate, is what the policy of the government should be. what about that do you not understand? what about that concept is somehow not enough for you?
oh you can use any fictional characer you want to make a parable out of anything
but most people understand there isn't an actual good witch glenda and there aren't actually flying monkeys
to believe there is is the same level of delusion to see so much malice in your own democratic government and so little malice in robber barons representing plutocracy (not capitalism, as the fanboys believe)
and good for that. enforcement needs to exist in civilization, and better the guys with the guns be accountable to the guys you elect, rather than the guys who hold all the cash, and are accountable only to that cash
unfortunately, due to the prevalence of certain low iq and paranoid people loudly and firmly believing their own government is the enemy, the guys with the cash are having a field day weakening and buying off and infecting the only thing standing between them and more profits: your goverment. of course, those more profits mean some of your freedoms will have to go... don't worry, faux news will spin it in a manner that is easily digestible to the loud ignorant kneejerk cranks who will eat it up (because it's "fair and balanced" and not biased liberal media), who thing the guys with the cash are just darlings and can do no wrong
gilded age 2.0, here we come. when the pendulum swings the other way in a few more years, it will be vanguarded by the dying middle class fed up with less and less share of their pie so some billionaire can get a few millions more. i wonder where the loud ignorant faux news cranks who think the guys with the cash can do no wrong will be when the workers have to march again to protect their rights and a decent living. still believing faux news because of evil liberal media? even as they themselves can't afford to heat their house while the fat cats make more and more? when do the capitalism loving ignorant cranks wake up?
would this be the government that is owned by the corporations and only do their will?
or the government as it should be, in the constitution, the one that is accountable to you?
or is this the government that exists in the minds of paranoid schizophrenics, which is out to rape your freedoms in some bad hollywood plot of sinister conspiracies and aliens who hate your freedom.... just because?
small hint: agent smith in the matrix isn't real, and to use him as the starting point for understanding the purpose and atittude of a democratic government is delusional and absurd. being too trusting is bad. a pathological lack of trust is also bad. that you fear your OWN government, and not your real enemy, the ones who will gladly rape your freedoms, who BUY your government and have them do things against your freedoms, and will gladly point the guns at you (see pinkertons) and are most clearly not accountable to you... well, it simply reveals how propagandized and foolish you are
the monopoly is accountable to you through your vote. it is an extension of your will, not an imposition of an alien will on you
in fact, if you were to remove the monopoly, there would be no absence of monopoly, the merchant would merely fill the power vacuum, and he isn't accountable to you. he's accountable to the quest for more profits, at any cost, including the raping of your freedom. then he buys the guns and points them at you:
Pinkerton's agents performed services ranging from security guarding to private military contracting work. At its height, the Pinkerton National Detective Agency employed more agents than there were members of the standing army of the United States of America, causing the state of Ohio to outlaw the agency due to fears it could be hired as a private army or militia.[citation needed] Pinkerton was the largest private law enforcement organization in the world at the height of its power.[2] During the labor unrest of the late 19th century and early 20th century, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to provide agents that would infiltrate unions, to supply guards to keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, and sometimes to recruit goon squads to intimidate workers. The best known such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to enforce the strikebreaking measures of Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie, who was abroad; the ensuing conflicts between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to several deaths on both sides. The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania, as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877.
for the modern parable, see blackwater. what would blackwater become with no government already in place? the police, accountable to the corporation, not to you, which your real police department is
so your opinions and your views are illogical and historically wrong. they speak of a propagandized individual (corporate funded propaganda like fox news, the real threat to your freedom, not your government, which you VOTE for)
of course, where your government doesn't represent your will, it is because it is bought out by... corporate financial interests
heal YOUR government by removing the corporate infection, and understand the real threat to your freedom: the merchant you allude to
but make YOUR government your enemy, and see the corporate financial interests as harmless, and you are basically giving away your own hard won freedoms won by your forefathers (see pinkerton's above) to forces which have no interest in your freedoms at all, especially when your freedoms represent a threat to bottom line. then hiring goon sqwuads, with no government around to stop them, makes perfect capitalistic sense
there is your daily dose of anti-propaganda, i hope you aren't kneejerking too much right now
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you do realize saying this only reveals uncritical and simpleminded your thought processes are?
i've seen this useless observation a lot on this site. for you and all the other idiots who continue to think this is wisdom you are imparting here: it adds nothing to a conversation. no one doesn't understand the idea. the only purpose of saying it is to to announce yourself as a simpleton
if the witless pansy freely involves his or herself in a mass murder operation, republican or democrat or whatever, i am happy to fund the very large jail
if the idiot replies in the affirmative at any point in time when it is implied he or she will take place in a mass murder operation, i am ready and willing to fund that really big prison
yeah, it's a honeypot operation. and better the fbi catch the witless pansies before someone hardened and malintentioned puts them to bad use
who do you think puts a bomb in their underwear or in their shoes? who flies airplanes into buildings?
witless pansies do
people who do very horrible things, by order of truly evil people, without any complaint: witless pansies
that's not entrapment. anyone with a functioning cerebellum who can tell the difference between simple right and wrong does not get into this situation
so we agree: we both see witless pansies. but where we disagree is exactly what kind of threat these witless pansies hold. you see entrapment. i see a honeypot
as far as i am concerned, carry on FBI, good job
the intersection where genetic evolution, while continuing, has become less important than the new and more important kind of evolution: memetic evolution
the words we say and the ideas we have now shape the world more than the genes we carry
genetic evolution is not over, it's just passe
memetic evolution is the new more important story on this planet
a bikini clad slime mold on page six?
that would be worse
the purpose of a tool has a meaning
give everyone a toilet brush, toilets will get cleaned. give everyone a hammer, nails will get pounded. give everyone a gun, people will get shot
the availability and easy access of a tool with an intended purpose and meaning makes certain outcomes easier. it's not complicated
the tool itself, and the presence of the tool, has significance. we all reach the limits of our temper at various points in our lives. we will confuse our teenage son sneaking into the house in the dark with an intruder. we will be drunk and clumsy. and in those situations, whether or not a gun is in easy reach radically changes the outcome of the situation
the purpose and presence of the tool matters
the proper quote is
"guns don't kill people, people with guns do"
if you want guns to be legal, fine. but don't depend upon flimsy easily dismantled logic to justify your beliefs
turtles have been known to vote for obama. they are communists and muslims, and you need to cease with this idealized image of turtle innocence
godwin's law just exploded
you can't godwin a story that godwin's itself. nice try
the point of godwin's law is to point out the essential wrongness of comparing someone's opinion to something hitler or a nazi would do. it's just derails an argument into hysteria and absurdity
however if someone were to get really upset here and yell and scream that what the bavarian government is doing here is something hitler or a nazi would do... well, yeah
and i just learned a great phrase: "Reductio ad Hitlerum"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
which sounds like a spell voldemort would cast
a slashdot story that godwin's itself
of course. ponzi schemes are great, for awhile
i'm not a big fan of how banks are regulated, but at least i understand banks are a necessary part of civilization
good luck with your libertarian fanboy ponzi scheme
there's a new dot-com bubble
congratulations on the investors here on seeding the hype to attract the rubes
just remember to step off the merry go round before things tank
i'd give it a few years
any VC want to fund my innovative paradigm shifter? i call it flooz. whoopi goldberg is going to help me spread the good word
December 21
relax, 8 more months to go
you mean save it from bankruptcy due to the economic fallout from the market crash under the previous republican administration?
oh right, the company should be allowed to fail. because we want all of our industrial sector to move to those evil socialist asian countries?
oh but if you protect and coddle a company it gets weak. market forces will produce the strong. there's a saying: "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." well, the corllary is: what doesn't make you strong, kills you. we're not competing within the walled garden of american rules only, other countries play different games, and "stronger", in the realm of vast complicated multinationals might just mean: "the government has your back in times of crisis." because there is always a crisis, and every other country in the world knows it is wise to keep the industrial sector afloat, rather than let the thing die and go overseas, out of some misguided free market fundamentalism
you have to be a little more flexible. rigid simpleminded ideological opinions always lead to disaster, in any ideological direction
that votes a certain way, that will never understand this, and destroys so much of the country economically, socially, and politically, and really really believes their antisocial cruelty is a good thing
(if you don't understand the joke, you're in the wrong thread)
but the common response to this state of affairs is:
1. don't vote. as if not voting means you aren't subject to the will of the government. it's worse than voting randomly
2. "revolution!" cries the anarchist fanboys. that bloody mess is 10,000x worse than the plutocracy we both hate. and nobody controls what kind of government comes out on the other end
the right response?
3. heal your government. vote. get involved
to the problem of the apathetic angry bird player above, i add the problem of the spastic twit who sees corporations trying to influence their government, throw a fit, and completely gives up and cede the entirety of their government to corporate control. wtf?
the people vote. that vote, the will of the people, expressed in aggregate, is what the policy of the government should be. what about that do you not understand? what about that concept is somehow not enough for you?
you call this "theory"?!
it's called DEMOCRACY
LOL
i don't get it
oh you can use any fictional characer you want to make a parable out of anything
but most people understand there isn't an actual good witch glenda and there aren't actually flying monkeys
to believe there is is the same level of delusion to see so much malice in your own democratic government and so little malice in robber barons representing plutocracy (not capitalism, as the fanboys believe)
and good for that. enforcement needs to exist in civilization, and better the guys with the guns be accountable to the guys you elect, rather than the guys who hold all the cash, and are accountable only to that cash
unfortunately, due to the prevalence of certain low iq and paranoid people loudly and firmly believing their own government is the enemy, the guys with the cash are having a field day weakening and buying off and infecting the only thing standing between them and more profits: your goverment. of course, those more profits mean some of your freedoms will have to go... don't worry, faux news will spin it in a manner that is easily digestible to the loud ignorant kneejerk cranks who will eat it up (because it's "fair and balanced" and not biased liberal media), who thing the guys with the cash are just darlings and can do no wrong
gilded age 2.0, here we come. when the pendulum swings the other way in a few more years, it will be vanguarded by the dying middle class fed up with less and less share of their pie so some billionaire can get a few millions more. i wonder where the loud ignorant faux news cranks who think the guys with the cash can do no wrong will be when the workers have to march again to protect their rights and a decent living. still believing faux news because of evil liberal media? even as they themselves can't afford to heat their house while the fat cats make more and more? when do the capitalism loving ignorant cranks wake up?
would this be the government that is owned by the corporations and only do their will?
or the government as it should be, in the constitution, the one that is accountable to you?
or is this the government that exists in the minds of paranoid schizophrenics, which is out to rape your freedoms in some bad hollywood plot of sinister conspiracies and aliens who hate your freedom.... just because?
small hint: agent smith in the matrix isn't real, and to use him as the starting point for understanding the purpose and atittude of a democratic government is delusional and absurd. being too trusting is bad. a pathological lack of trust is also bad. that you fear your OWN government, and not your real enemy, the ones who will gladly rape your freedoms, who BUY your government and have them do things against your freedoms, and will gladly point the guns at you (see pinkertons) and are most clearly not accountable to you... well, it simply reveals how propagandized and foolish you are
the monopoly is accountable to you through your vote. it is an extension of your will, not an imposition of an alien will on you
in fact, if you were to remove the monopoly, there would be no absence of monopoly, the merchant would merely fill the power vacuum, and he isn't accountable to you. he's accountable to the quest for more profits, at any cost, including the raping of your freedom. then he buys the guns and points them at you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_Government_Services,_Inc.
for the modern parable, see blackwater. what would blackwater become with no government already in place? the police, accountable to the corporation, not to you, which your real police department is
so your opinions and your views are illogical and historically wrong. they speak of a propagandized individual (corporate funded propaganda like fox news, the real threat to your freedom, not your government, which you VOTE for)
of course, where your government doesn't represent your will, it is because it is bought out by... corporate financial interests
heal YOUR government by removing the corporate infection, and understand the real threat to your freedom: the merchant you allude to
but make YOUR government your enemy, and see the corporate financial interests as harmless, and you are basically giving away your own hard won freedoms won by your forefathers (see pinkerton's above) to forces which have no interest in your freedoms at all, especially when your freedoms represent a threat to bottom line. then hiring goon sqwuads, with no government around to stop them, makes perfect capitalistic sense
there is your daily dose of anti-propaganda, i hope you aren't kneejerking too much right now