the problem is when only those with a lot of money can make more money
i have no problem with the ruthless, social darwinistic crawl to the top of the shitpile. hey, let capitalism be capitalism
but i, or anyone else who is interested in healthy capitalism, have a problem with the guy already at the top of the shitpile shoving everyone else back, and staying there, by no virtue of cunning or ruthlessness or hardwork, but just because of his entrenched position. that's not capitalism
if the markets are not egalitarian, they are not markets, they are a series of assholes engaging in rent-seeking from fools
you are basically advocating for shady marketplaces that are rigged by their most entrenched players. if the markets are not egalitarian, the markets are abusive, and you are cursing the entire concept of trading to the realm of corruption, which will decrease the overall market value a heck of a lot more than what taiwan and korea are suffering, i assure you
for a market to be truly free, that is, a meeting place of equals, it must be in the full light of day and be highly regulated. truly "free" marketplaces, that is, without any regulation at all, are, as a rule, dominated, abused, and taxed by their largest most powerful players
a marketplace that is regulated and transparent and well-policed and well-understood, is a marketplace that attracts investors with confidence and trust in what they are getting into. your dark marketplaces meanwhile are more a deal of who you know. the definition of nepotism and all manner of ills that befall fools that get involved in such financial chicanery
your way is the way of financial doom. you are ignorant of financial history. the fate of such dark marketplaces is well understood and oft repeated throughout history
i'm showing my age, but there was a mod some maniac made over ten years ago of id's original doom fps. you were let loose in a level full of monsters, and each monster correlated with a process running on your computer. when you shot a monster (with a shotgun, preferably), the process associated with that sprite was terminated as well. brilliant, and insane
now i want to see someone write a mod where you execute trades instead of processes. that would brilliant and insane x10
i think on the original mod there was a label floating above each sprite's head, so you knew what process you were terminating. although, it would be more fun if there was no label, so you wouldn't know if you were going to freeze your os, crash the system, or just end some minor helper service. likewise, with a trader fps mod, you should just go into the level with a shotgun and a bunch of sprites, not knowing if you blowing a couple of thousand on a major amount of a tanking stock, or making $10 off a useless tiny put option trade, or whatever
i don't understand your post. you agree with my description of the problem, but call my solution bullshit. why? because you shouldn't fight corruption, you should just accept it? is that your ignorant attitude?
high frequency trading demands you have the screamiest servers the shortest fibre optic hop away from wall street. meaning it turns what should be an egalitarian marketplace of equals into one where those with the most power and resources are able to extract a tax of sorts on regular traders by engaging in high speed tricks
just put a "heartbeat" into the market: all trades operate on a FIFO queue that is released on a regular interval: every 3 seconds, every second, every 10 seconds, every 500 milliseconds, whatever: the point simply being that no trades can operate faster than this "heartbeat", thereby putting all trades on an equal footing
otherwise, the stock market will be abused by its richest players. when that happens, small time and mom and pop stock market traders will feel abused, and opt out, and the market will ossify into corruption
the point of a well-regulated marketplace is to keep the marketplace fair and healthy and a place of equals. so deny the powerful this unfair leverage and unfair ability to siphon off a tax on all other traders just by doing little fast tricky trades that have no real value whatsoever other than to take money from the slower smaller players
and then when that guy smoking a private property comes down with lung cancer, we have to pay for his treatment
and he won't have health insurance, because according to him, to be forced to get health insurance is evil socialism, an affront on his freedom
of course, he'll take the healthcare he can't afford without insurance, to save his ignorant ass, anyway, because his "ideology" is worth shit: its just an excuse to freeload off responsible people, by not carrying insurance, but expecting treatment he can't afford when he gets sick. this lack of responsibility and foresight is apparantly called "freedom". yeah, freedom from accountability and taking care of yourself, apparently
when you don't have insurance and you need to go to the hospital, you are a believer in socialist medicine
when you have insurance and you don't have to go to the hospital, socialist medicine is an evil affront on our freedoms
that's the kind of depth and intelligence we are dealing with with some freeloading assholes when they whine about socialism and freedom
people say it is a crime, because they have a solid logical and moral reason for calling it a crime. what does the child in that video say about that video's continued use? the child's family? an act of rape on a child is a transgression against that child's human dignity. the continued using of that video is a continued assault on that's child's dignity. it is a crime to therefore continue watching that video
analogy: a man rapes and kills a woman. he keeps a lock of her hair. he says touching it calms him and prevents him from attacking other women. he is caught and put in prison. he requests the hair, saying it is harmless to continue feeling that piece of hair. what does the family of the dead woman say about that man's "logic"?
if you can answer that question, maybe you can finally enter the realm of true logic and true morality, maybe for the first time. because your other words in this thread are just self-serving excuse making. your thinking is logical in the realm of answering questions about pedophiles and their needs, but your thinking does not encompass questions about the victims of pedophiles, which is the overriding concern here, if you are truly logical and truly moral
true logic on questions like this take into consideration primarily the victim, not the perp. the needs of the perp is secondary to the needs of the victim. therefore according to logic, real logic, coherent logic, we understand that the dignity of the victim in the video overrides all other considerations you have raised in this thread
the idea that one child porn film saves 100 kids form being abused is obviously complete horseshit. the point is it is a crime. you can also save 10 people waiting for organ transplant by killing a random person and using their organs. the whole point is it is simple morality that no crime is justified by some later hypothetical good. abusing a a child sexually is evil, immoral, and criminal. therefore it must be punished. any fantasy sequence you have about how that criminal act might help someone somewhere later is completely besides the point
finally, as to logic having nothing to do with it: logic has a everything to do with fighting child porn. but you are correct in one sense that the overriding motivation here is moral and emotional
that is, it is pretty much a base root drive, in all humans, heck, all mammals: "protect children." you can make all sorts of arguments, but if your fight is against a prime impulse, an instinctual motivation, pretty much our innate biology, you are doomed in your arguments
you are not going to stop people from protecting children. its just not going to happen. the vigorous pursuit, destruction, and punishment of all involved in the creation and consumption of child pron is just pretty much wedded to our identity as simian pack animals
we protect our children, we just do. there's simply no argument to be had counter to that driving impulse in our biology. so you are on a fools errand, regardless of any logical in any direction. it makes biological, moral, logical, and emotional sense to protect children. so deal with it. this boulder is not moving. this reality, you need to accept it and stop this insane idea that child porn is going to be tolerated as some sort of catharsis by any society, anywhere, at any time. sorry, not going to happen
pornography is an excellent way to achieve the catharsis you are referring to: the venting of negative sexual energies harmlessly in a magazine or a keyboard
however, pornography is made with consenting adults
meanwhile, child pornography is the product of a crime: one of those in the sex act is incapable of informed consent
that point negates any positive effect you can refer to
pedophilia is never going away. the creation of pictures of children being sexually abused is never going away. the continued creation of pedophilies is simply a statistically inevitable tragedy of nature and/ or nurture in every society, in every culture, in every time period, forever before, and forever more
every thursday i take out the trash. if i stop taking out the trash, it accumulates in my house. therefore, i will forever be engaged in a war on trash. it is absurd, because no matter how much trash i take out, there's always more to take out
so that means i stop taking out the trash?
your absurdity is that you think you can prove the fight against the picture trading is wrong, because we can't ever stop the trade. no shit, sherlock. you honestly think this is a new idea to me? you honestly think that's the point? that anyone thinks anyone will say "we did it! no more pedophiles and no more pictures! yay!" you honestly believe that's what motivates people? you honeslty believe that's a scenario that anyone thinks is a possibility?
as if that was my goal, as if that is the goal of anyone. as if you telling us that the pedophilia is never going away is supposed to be some thunderstroke of genius on your part that no one else ever realized before. pffffffffft
all you can ever do is minimize it, and THAT'S the whole point
1. pedophilia will always exist 2. accepting pedophilia is intolerable
so you are left with a simple maintenance function of civilization: take out the trash every thursday, even though you know there will always be more, forever. because accepting trash accumulating in your apartment, accepting pedophiles trading pictures of our children being abused, is simply unacceptable, on any moral, emotional, or logical level
deal with it. i'm simply describing simple reality. you don't have to like reality, you don't have to like me. but your ignorant opinion certainly won't change any of this reality, because the basis of your opinions is founded on some incredibly hilarious misreadings about what you tihnk is going on and what you think is possible
no society is ever going to tolerate the picture trade of their children being abused. ever. you are fighting a battle with one of the most fundamental driving forces in all of humanity, heck, in all of the animal kingdom: protect your children
go ahead. fight that basic mammalian drive. good lock don quijote with the windmills
getting rid of the pictures won't stop pedophilia, of course not. thank you for the red herring
but it will get rid of the demand for creating the pictures, which involves actual sexual abuse of children, sometimes by not even pedophiles, just people who want money
its like arguing with a creationist: you have a piece of ignorance stuck in your craw, and all of the plain evidence in the world to the contrary will not shake your faith
bottom line: if you consume child pornography, if you seek out images of naked children, you are part of a marketplace that leads to the sexual abuse of children
really. naked pictures of children and the desire to see them creates the demand for the sexual abuse of children. this really is the truth
i am not sure of what obtuse deluion is stuck in your craw that is not allowing you to see this simple truth, but you have a serious problem if you do not understand the simple reality here
wherever there is a demand for something a market is created and trade occurs. it is beyond obvious that the desire to see naked pictures of children leads to people who will exploit children
if you dispute this, your stubbornness is larger than your intelligence. anything that can be commodified, anything that people desire to consume: the product and the market for that product drives creation of more product
i know some people REALLY like their guns, but i'm not aware of a biological pathway in which cold steel and gunpowder creates pharmacological addiction
the purpose of outlawing guns is not to prevent them from getting in the hands of the intelligent committed criminal. the purpose of outlawing guns is to prevent them from getting in the hands of the casual idiot
by definition of what a casual idiot is, if guns were hard to get, they simply wouldn't get them
meanwhile, the intelligent committed criminal will still have a gun when they are illegal, yes
but again, by definition of what an intelligent committed criminal is, even if guns were legal, and even if you were packing some serious heat, the intelligent committed criminal would make sure they intend you harm in such a surprise way that you won't be able to defend yourself
so this whole fallacy that "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is silly. outlawing guns is all about preventing the random casual violence by hotheaded idiots. not the cunning monster who will always have a gun, regardless of legality, and will certainly make sure they get the drop on you if you are in their crosshairs, no matter how much heat you pack
the real lesson is that guns only matter in the hands of idiots, because idiots are unpredictable. so just make sure idiots don't get guns. the other lesson is: don't do anything that will make you a target of an intelligent cunning criminal monster. because then you are simply doomed no matter what firepower you own
and then you are wrong: it is entirely correct of me to assume that someone who owns a gun is to act as their own judge, jury, and executioner, in direct contradiction to your assertion in your grandfather comment
go ahead and own a gun. but don't lie to yourself about what you are really doing
a system of accountability is something you can build into a government. you can't get that from some random yahoo making up his own mind with limited info. all governments are as flawed as the men they are made of, but with systems of accountability built into them, a government can do better, on average, than random yahoos
as if our current manifestation of government is perfect, or that anything i said says you should never question our government
or that by saying we need government, i somehow mean we deserve the corrupt government we currently have
why don't you try thinking first, then commenting
i am very unhappy with our government. but at least i have enough brains to know that no matter how much our government sucks, no government or vigilantism or libertarianism is far worse
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the problem is when only those with a lot of money can make more money
i have no problem with the ruthless, social darwinistic crawl to the top of the shitpile. hey, let capitalism be capitalism
but i, or anyone else who is interested in healthy capitalism, have a problem with the guy already at the top of the shitpile shoving everyone else back, and staying there, by no virtue of cunning or ruthlessness or hardwork, but just because of his entrenched position. that's not capitalism
if the markets are not egalitarian, they are not markets, they are a series of assholes engaging in rent-seeking from fools
the guy with the most money gets the fastest link
therefore, only those already with a lot of money can make more money
efficient?
you are basically advocating for shady marketplaces that are rigged by their most entrenched players. if the markets are not egalitarian, the markets are abusive, and you are cursing the entire concept of trading to the realm of corruption, which will decrease the overall market value a heck of a lot more than what taiwan and korea are suffering, i assure you
for a market to be truly free, that is, a meeting place of equals, it must be in the full light of day and be highly regulated. truly "free" marketplaces, that is, without any regulation at all, are, as a rule, dominated, abused, and taxed by their largest most powerful players
a marketplace that is regulated and transparent and well-policed and well-understood, is a marketplace that attracts investors with confidence and trust in what they are getting into. your dark marketplaces meanwhile are more a deal of who you know. the definition of nepotism and all manner of ills that befall fools that get involved in such financial chicanery
your way is the way of financial doom. you are ignorant of financial history. the fate of such dark marketplaces is well understood and oft repeated throughout history
LOL
i'm showing my age, but there was a mod some maniac made over ten years ago of id's original doom fps. you were let loose in a level full of monsters, and each monster correlated with a process running on your computer. when you shot a monster (with a shotgun, preferably), the process associated with that sprite was terminated as well. brilliant, and insane
now i want to see someone write a mod where you execute trades instead of processes. that would brilliant and insane x10
i think on the original mod there was a label floating above each sprite's head, so you knew what process you were terminating. although, it would be more fun if there was no label, so you wouldn't know if you were going to freeze your os, crash the system, or just end some minor helper service. likewise, with a trader fps mod, you should just go into the level with a shotgun and a bunch of sprites, not knowing if you blowing a couple of thousand on a major amount of a tanking stock, or making $10 off a useless tiny put option trade, or whatever
i don't understand your post. you agree with my description of the problem, but call my solution bullshit. why? because you shouldn't fight corruption, you should just accept it? is that your ignorant attitude?
high frequency trading demands you have the screamiest servers the shortest fibre optic hop away from wall street. meaning it turns what should be an egalitarian marketplace of equals into one where those with the most power and resources are able to extract a tax of sorts on regular traders by engaging in high speed tricks
just put a "heartbeat" into the market: all trades operate on a FIFO queue that is released on a regular interval: every 3 seconds, every second, every 10 seconds, every 500 milliseconds, whatever: the point simply being that no trades can operate faster than this "heartbeat", thereby putting all trades on an equal footing
otherwise, the stock market will be abused by its richest players. when that happens, small time and mom and pop stock market traders will feel abused, and opt out, and the market will ossify into corruption
the point of a well-regulated marketplace is to keep the marketplace fair and healthy and a place of equals. so deny the powerful this unfair leverage and unfair ability to siphon off a tax on all other traders just by doing little fast tricky trades that have no real value whatsoever other than to take money from the slower smaller players
I for one, get the second I half off
I for one reject and spit on our ancient meme spouting underlords
and then when that guy smoking a private property comes down with lung cancer, we have to pay for his treatment
and he won't have health insurance, because according to him, to be forced to get health insurance is evil socialism, an affront on his freedom
of course, he'll take the healthcare he can't afford without insurance, to save his ignorant ass, anyway, because his "ideology" is worth shit: its just an excuse to freeload off responsible people, by not carrying insurance, but expecting treatment he can't afford when he gets sick. this lack of responsibility and foresight is apparantly called "freedom". yeah, freedom from accountability and taking care of yourself, apparently
when you don't have insurance and you need to go to the hospital, you are a believer in socialist medicine
when you have insurance and you don't have to go to the hospital, socialist medicine is an evil affront on our freedoms
that's the kind of depth and intelligence we are dealing with with some freeloading assholes when they whine about socialism and freedom
i haven't looked forward to that day
mainly because i don't want to listen to celine dion in the afterlife
people say it is a crime, because they have a solid logical and moral reason for calling it a crime. what does the child in that video say about that video's continued use? the child's family? an act of rape on a child is a transgression against that child's human dignity. the continued using of that video is a continued assault on that's child's dignity. it is a crime to therefore continue watching that video
analogy: a man rapes and kills a woman. he keeps a lock of her hair. he says touching it calms him and prevents him from attacking other women. he is caught and put in prison. he requests the hair, saying it is harmless to continue feeling that piece of hair. what does the family of the dead woman say about that man's "logic"?
if you can answer that question, maybe you can finally enter the realm of true logic and true morality, maybe for the first time. because your other words in this thread are just self-serving excuse making. your thinking is logical in the realm of answering questions about pedophiles and their needs, but your thinking does not encompass questions about the victims of pedophiles, which is the overriding concern here, if you are truly logical and truly moral
true logic on questions like this take into consideration primarily the victim, not the perp. the needs of the perp is secondary to the needs of the victim. therefore according to logic, real logic, coherent logic, we understand that the dignity of the victim in the video overrides all other considerations you have raised in this thread
the idea that one child porn film saves 100 kids form being abused is obviously complete horseshit. the point is it is a crime. you can also save 10 people waiting for organ transplant by killing a random person and using their organs. the whole point is it is simple morality that no crime is justified by some later hypothetical good. abusing a a child sexually is evil, immoral, and criminal. therefore it must be punished. any fantasy sequence you have about how that criminal act might help someone somewhere later is completely besides the point
finally, as to logic having nothing to do with it: logic has a everything to do with fighting child porn. but you are correct in one sense that the overriding motivation here is moral and emotional
that is, it is pretty much a base root drive, in all humans, heck, all mammals: "protect children." you can make all sorts of arguments, but if your fight is against a prime impulse, an instinctual motivation, pretty much our innate biology, you are doomed in your arguments
you are not going to stop people from protecting children. its just not going to happen. the vigorous pursuit, destruction, and punishment of all involved in the creation and consumption of child pron is just pretty much wedded to our identity as simian pack animals
we protect our children, we just do. there's simply no argument to be had counter to that driving impulse in our biology. so you are on a fools errand, regardless of any logical in any direction. it makes biological, moral, logical, and emotional sense to protect children. so deal with it. this boulder is not moving. this reality, you need to accept it and stop this insane idea that child porn is going to be tolerated as some sort of catharsis by any society, anywhere, at any time. sorry, not going to happen
pornography is an excellent way to achieve the catharsis you are referring to: the venting of negative sexual energies harmlessly in a magazine or a keyboard
however, pornography is made with consenting adults
meanwhile, child pornography is the product of a crime: one of those in the sex act is incapable of informed consent
that point negates any positive effect you can refer to
pedophilia is never going away. the creation of pictures of children being sexually abused is never going away. the continued creation of pedophilies is simply a statistically inevitable tragedy of nature and/ or nurture in every society, in every culture, in every time period, forever before, and forever more
every thursday i take out the trash. if i stop taking out the trash, it accumulates in my house. therefore, i will forever be engaged in a war on trash. it is absurd, because no matter how much trash i take out, there's always more to take out
so that means i stop taking out the trash?
your absurdity is that you think you can prove the fight against the picture trading is wrong, because we can't ever stop the trade. no shit, sherlock. you honestly think this is a new idea to me? you honestly think that's the point? that anyone thinks anyone will say "we did it! no more pedophiles and no more pictures! yay!" you honestly believe that's what motivates people? you honeslty believe that's a scenario that anyone thinks is a possibility?
as if that was my goal, as if that is the goal of anyone. as if you telling us that the pedophilia is never going away is supposed to be some thunderstroke of genius on your part that no one else ever realized before. pffffffffft
all you can ever do is minimize it, and THAT'S the whole point
1. pedophilia will always exist
2. accepting pedophilia is intolerable
so you are left with a simple maintenance function of civilization: take out the trash every thursday, even though you know there will always be more, forever. because accepting trash accumulating in your apartment, accepting pedophiles trading pictures of our children being abused, is simply unacceptable, on any moral, emotional, or logical level
its simply called the maintenance of civilization
deal with it. i'm simply describing simple reality. you don't have to like reality, you don't have to like me. but your ignorant opinion certainly won't change any of this reality, because the basis of your opinions is founded on some incredibly hilarious misreadings about what you tihnk is going on and what you think is possible
no society is ever going to tolerate the picture trade of their children being abused. ever. you are fighting a battle with one of the most fundamental driving forces in all of humanity, heck, in all of the animal kingdom: protect your children
go ahead. fight that basic mammalian drive. good lock don quijote with the windmills
getting rid of the pictures won't stop pedophilia, of course not. thank you for the red herring
but it will get rid of the demand for creating the pictures, which involves actual sexual abuse of children, sometimes by not even pedophiles, just people who want money
its like arguing with a creationist: you have a piece of ignorance stuck in your craw, and all of the plain evidence in the world to the contrary will not shake your faith
it's like arguing with a creationist
bottom line: if you consume child pornography, if you seek out images of naked children, you are part of a marketplace that leads to the sexual abuse of children
really. naked pictures of children and the desire to see them creates the demand for the sexual abuse of children. this really is the truth
i am not sure of what obtuse deluion is stuck in your craw that is not allowing you to see this simple truth, but you have a serious problem if you do not understand the simple reality here
wherever there is a demand for something a market is created and trade occurs. it is beyond obvious that the desire to see naked pictures of children leads to people who will exploit children
if you dispute this, your stubbornness is larger than your intelligence. anything that can be commodified, anything that people desire to consume: the product and the market for that product drives creation of more product
deny that, and you've left the realm of reality
i know some people REALLY like their guns, but i'm not aware of a biological pathway in which cold steel and gunpowder creates pharmacological addiction
the purpose of outlawing guns is not to prevent them from getting in the hands of the intelligent committed criminal. the purpose of outlawing guns is to prevent them from getting in the hands of the casual idiot
by definition of what a casual idiot is, if guns were hard to get, they simply wouldn't get them
meanwhile, the intelligent committed criminal will still have a gun when they are illegal, yes
but again, by definition of what an intelligent committed criminal is, even if guns were legal, and even if you were packing some serious heat, the intelligent committed criminal would make sure they intend you harm in such a surprise way that you won't be able to defend yourself
so this whole fallacy that "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is silly. outlawing guns is all about preventing the random casual violence by hotheaded idiots. not the cunning monster who will always have a gun, regardless of legality, and will certainly make sure they get the drop on you if you are in their crosshairs, no matter how much heat you pack
the real lesson is that guns only matter in the hands of idiots, because idiots are unpredictable. so just make sure idiots don't get guns. the other lesson is: don't do anything that will make you a target of an intelligent cunning criminal monster. because then you are simply doomed no matter what firepower you own
that's fine
and then you are wrong: it is entirely correct of me to assume that someone who owns a gun is to act as their own judge, jury, and executioner, in direct contradiction to your assertion in your grandfather comment
go ahead and own a gun. but don't lie to yourself about what you are really doing
there's no reason to fear telmarines ;-)
a system of accountability is something you can build into a government. you can't get that from some random yahoo making up his own mind with limited info. all governments are as flawed as the men they are made of, but with systems of accountability built into them, a government can do better, on average, than random yahoos
"You make the serious mistake of assuming that someone who owns a gun is going to act as their own judge, jury, and executioner"
ok, then why carry a gun?
as if our current manifestation of government is perfect, or that anything i said says you should never question our government
or that by saying we need government, i somehow mean we deserve the corrupt government we currently have
why don't you try thinking first, then commenting
i am very unhappy with our government. but at least i have enough brains to know that no matter how much our government sucks, no government or vigilantism or libertarianism is far worse