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Porn Site Gave Federal Agents Free Rein
Frosty Piss writes "The operators of a notorious porn site Free6.com granted federal agents administrative access to the site, giving investigators the ability to monitor traffic and public and private chats in an effort to identify users trading 'a significant amount of child pornography.' Though some bloggers have speculated about whether law enforcement officials have secretly been given administrative access to sites where users have been known to post child pornography (like 4chan), the Free6.com arrangement is apparently the first such compact to be disclosed by investigators."
First fap!
giving investigators the ability to monitor traffic and public and private chats in an effort to identify users trading 'a significant amount of child pornography.'
-"I swear, chief, it's all part of an effort to catch a gang of child pornographers, that's why I've been browsing that site so much"
Really leechy ratios.
It would be my guess that the men in blue like porn and want it for free.
All the have to do is present a National Security Letter, ordering access and binding the site from talking about it. They probably have a lot of such access.
Now we are slashdotting porn sites. I'm ok with paypal or amazon going down, but loss of porn on the internet could cause serious consequences. If the world goes to war over this, don't say I didn't warn you.
if it catches the sickos, I'm for it, I'll even lend the feds my Mossberg if they need to take one by force.
What do we, users, know?!
Given A55ange's background this is the place he might have visited.
Blue is in the boys. Ewwww
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
On one hand, I like porn. On the other, I only like porn where the women are sexy... which means a woman should look like a woman, not a little girl. (I don't care about the guys, but I find the "Jurrasic cock" series to be inspirational... hey, I'm getting older too!) Anyway, I also happen to love children "in the good way" and don't like the thought of them being exploited. So on one hand, I want people exploiting children to get stopped. (punished is another thing... "helped" might be better) On the other hand, the means and method of doing what they do needs to be carefully administrated and managed. I also recognize that the ends do not always justify the means and that once they do it for one purpose, they will find it easier to do it again for another purpose.... and another and another... getting easier each time.
So... damn... I'm just torn.
Frosty Piss may be an asshole, but at least his submission is better than any of kdawson's.
You're confusing 4chan with /b/ again. Please don't.
Ernie, is that you??
First an AC rant, then freaking MichaelKristopeitNNN makes an appearance...
weinersmith
and stirrups, riding crops, saddles, bridles and other horseplay paraphernalia.
By the looks of it, you were asking for it every step of the way. Take your sob story elsewhere, nobody gives a shit.
oh never mind.
Obi-Wan: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were sudden
While Free6.com included a notice warning that the posting of “child pornography or other illegal material” would be reported to “local authorities,” Burdick had site administrators add a line noting that, “Free6.com may disclose these communications to the authorities at its discretion.”
Site says to stop posting inappropriate, illegal material. Site warns that it will report such content to authorities. Site acts on threat.
So. They found a lot of evidence. Did they actually solve any crimes? I'm being a bit facetious here.
Child porn is regarded as a crime. IMHO, it ought to be regarded as evidence. If it were legal to posess the evidence, as long as you reported it to law enforcement, then it seems like it would be easier to catch the people that actually shoot the vids/pictures.
As it stands, if I'm taping and happen to catch a shooting in progress, there can be all kinds of blood and gore and stuff; but I'm not guilty of anything simply by being in posession of the tape. Everybody knows that, and most will willingly shares the tape with enforcement so they can convict the bad guys.
OTOH, if I found a tape by the side of the road, stuck it in my VCR and it turned out to be kiddie porn I'd be immediately guilty of posessing kiddie porn. Knowing that, simply destroying it is a likely reaction. It could be that the tape is the only clue they have that would lead them to save the lives of the subjects involved; but because the EVIDENCE is illegal to posess, that won't happen.
This porn site seems rather... submissive.
They were only recruiting to fill some job openings at the TSA.
some people consider an ad for underwear 'a significant amount of child pornography' and our government is more than happy to use that term as an excuse anywhere they can to limit privacy. In this case it probably is accurate. But they also use it to shut down the Christmas Island data sanctuary, snoop on generic internet traffic, argue against apps like TrueCrypt, and on and on. So, I'm against using this argument unless they've done the police work to get a proper court order on a specific target.
I'm not.
The FBI overstepped.
When we start saying to ourselves, "Well it is to protect children, then it's OK." or "We're under attack and we need to prevent another 9/11" or "We need to take everyone's name down in order to stop this meth crisis!" or whatever, we start a slippery slope.
Think the "slippery slope" is an overused argument? Remember that when you are being felt up by a TSA guy because you were randomly selected for more screening - even though you did absolutely nothing to warrant such extra screening. Or coming into the country and having a some grunt with a badge and gun rifle through your laptop or even seizing it.
In our societal rationalization for these intrusions and spying by our government, we are just greasing that slope.
Better yet, you want to "protect the children"? How about "random" searches of people hard drives or monitoring of all your electronic communications? Or searching people's homes just to make sure they're not making any bombs. They'll do it randomly to make sure they're not singling out any ethnic or religious group.
The IP you were assigned for that day was linked to someone who visited a porn site at one time - doesn't matter that you had it only on one day and were on the Sunday Christian Prayer site. Nope. Someone had it while they were looking at "Young Hairy Fucking Girls". Gotta seize your computers for a full forensic analysis and search your home for any contraband.
There are plenty of videos of people getting killed, there's a series called "Faces of Death" I believe, that was sold commercially.
Snuff films don't exist. Yes, videos of people dying have been found/made - and collections of accidental death footage have been sold to the public, but nothing like the deliberate filming of a murder for sexual gratification. Videos with amazingly realistic special effects have been found (ask Charlie Sheen) but nothing like what is popularly defined as a "snuff" film has ever been found. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp
Also "I believe that the laws prohibiting possession of child pornography have been shown to reduce the production of same." - citation needed. Don't get me wrong, I report all that shit to https://secure.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/CybertipServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US when I see it, but what you suggest is, AFAIK, unproven - as well as the equivalent to arresting citizens for reading classified material on wikileaks.
This is much better than that idea where they'd send you a URL and have you click it and get raided.
This would create a very sticky situation.
On one hand I can see your point, however, if it were not illegal to possess child pornography then abusers would have no problem downloading the stuff (and perhaps more people than currently do would start downloading since it is not illegal) which in turn would create a larger black market for creators of child porn and in turn possibly harming more children in the process, even if there are a few more arrests as a result.
So make a minimal amount 'legal' to hold and ONLY if you contact the police about it, not the other way around. Make it small enough to be a useless defense for the real perps, but large enough that the average guy who stumbled across it can safely contact the police.
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free6.com is/was a Swedish site, why would they give any federationalists from Mexico, USA, Argentina or some other foreign country anything at all? If they like to keep their site free of child porn, fine, that's a good thing. But isn't that something that should be done by a) their abuse administrator and/or b) the police in their own country?
Explain to me again how allowing people to download something for free creates a larger black market for the sale of it and encourages the production of more of it... the RIAA and MPAA have been making the exact opposite argument for years now. One of you must be wrong!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I'd be more worried if the feds hadn't access to 4chan.
I sicerely hope that all those "dump CP here" threads are started by the police, in order to find pedophiles.
In soviet russia the government regulates the companies.
If you find a bag of drugs on the side of the road and get stopped on your way to the police station to turn it in, you're also guilty of possession... illegal stuff is illegal. I agree that mere possession should not be illegal, only production and sales. However, the treatment of unlawful images should be and is treated just like the possession of any type of contraband.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
if it were not illegal to possess child pornography then abusers would have no problem downloading the stuff...
What?!? The abusers are the people who made the video.
If there was an industry based upon killing people, video taping it and then selling those tapes do you think the tapes would be "evidence"?
A closer analogy would be you stumbling upon someone raping a child, if you took a picture of it and sent it to the police it would almost certainly be regarded as evidence.
If you filmed it, went home, drank a couple of beers and watched it then it would no longer be evidence and you would be committing a crime.
Morpheus, God of Dreams.
Pics or it didn't happen?
I'd hate to be the one deciding how much child porn is "okay". Though I agree with you in theory. How would you do it? By the minute? 5 minutes okay, 6 is too much?
So what, you’re just supposed to make sure the police know about the crime?
What if you filmed it and promptly sent it to the police, and then went home, drank a couple of beers and watched it? Would that be okay?
Distributed Denial of APK: It takes 15 seconds to reply to him anonymously, but wastes tons of his time if we all do it.
You could find a way to word it. Someone could think of a legitimate way to end up with a truckload of the stuff. At some point you have to stop trying to legislate numbers and just let common sense take over.
Is 1563649 a prime number?
wherever there is a demand for something a market is created and trade occurs. it is beyond obvious that the desire to see naked pictures of children leads to people who will exploit children
if you dispute this, your stubbornness is larger than your intelligence. anything that can be commodified, anything that people desire to consume: the product and the market for that product drives creation of more product
deny that, and you've left the realm of reality
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I think it depends on the medium. I may be wrong, but I believe it's illegal to distribute - and possibly posses - "snuff films" (in which an actor/person is killed on camera). Actual existence of such films is often the stuff of urban legend, however
Similarly, pictures that may depict nudity of underage individuals ARE legal in some situations, just not as porn. A famous example would be the picture of "Phan Th Kim Phúc", a Vietnamese child who was wounded and had her clothes burned off during the Vietnam war. That particular picture - despite having a naked child - is definitely NOT kiddy porn, and has been shown in many articles etc including reader's digest.
Well, a bunch of perverts posting "I want mooooore" might create a market, whether or not a financial transaction takes place. I wonder if that would/should in law create a contrast between the "quiet collector" VS somebody who is actively advocating the creation of criminal activity (aiding/abetting?)
Keep in mind that not everyone does "bad things" for profit. Some people get off on attention. While not as common in real-life, there's often the cliche of detective shows where the murderer taunts the police because he/she gets thrills from the attention and the chase.
So if it's some pervert who's abusing a relative or whatever, it's most likely he/she is doing it to satisfy their own sick sexual/power needs. HOWEVER, from what I've read of CP rings being busted, some of these people trade pics/videos like pokemon cards. That DOES create an incentive for the creation of new material, if not necessarily a financial "market" for one.
The same tactic was used against the drug trade. Law enforcement authorities could not directly stop drug production so they made the mere possession of drugs illegal.
The result? Drug production continues unabated but the otherwise innocent lives of many possessors have been ruined or destroyed.
Watching porn doesn't make me interested in making porn, but it does make me want some pussy. I'm pretty sure there's an analogy here, and it doesn't involve cars...
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I was under the impression that people report this shit all of the time without going to prison for it. The whole idea being that sickos don't report other sickos, and the Feds want people to feel like they can speak up about it. Also, I seem to recall during the recent Wikipedia images fiasco an admin who quit in disgust reported it to the FBI because he found out that failing to report that sort of thing is now illegal.
If you come across it, report it right away, and that'll probably be the end of it.
The only thing I've heard from the Feds is that the "report it right away" bit is pretty damn important. They get suspicous of anyone who doesn't freak out and drop them a line ASAP.
According to their site, The Center for Missing and Exploited Children gets something like 1,800 reports a week. I don't think all of those people are getting their houses raided and going to jail.
a defamatory liar with delusional tendencies of fantasizing of the powerless being molested and abused ...
Are you admitting to being powerless?
The government has a long tradition of going to private business and saying, "O HAI why don't you let us see what your customers are up to."
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK
"Project SHAMROCK ... was an espionage exercise that involved the accumulation of all telegraphic data entering into or exiting from the United States. The Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA) and its successor NSA were given direct access to daily microfilm copies of all incoming, outgoing, and transiting telegraphs via the Western Union and its associates RCA and ITT. ... No court authorized the operation and there were no warrants. ... At the height of Project SHAMROCK, 150,000 messages a month were printed and analyzed by NSA personnel."
Slashdot, a community where Microsoft and Spam Kings are evil, but child porn pics are "harmless".
Sure it may be a slippery slope, but people venture down such slopes for good reasons.
In this case, by going down the slope, we erode our rights, and by not going down the slope we ignore other peoples' rights.
They're both extremes, and both extremes are bad.
I don't think the problem is that we start down such slopes. I think the real problem is that we haven't worked out how/when to stop, how to stop it from being slippery, when we get to that much happier medium.
Honestly, how many of you had never heard of free6 and now went and had a look ? I very nearly did, but I'm at work :-)
What a depressingly stupid machine.
Ignore the troll, replying just sends him further off the handle.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Explain to me again how allowing people to download something for free creates a larger black market for the sale of it and encourages the production of more of it... the RIAA and MPAA have been making the exact opposite argument for years now. One of you must be wrong!
I keep reading this argument in comments on this story and, well, I must point out that it is incredibly short-sighted.
The positive marketing effects of piracy are most definitely true. However, what do you think happens when the proliferation of a work reaches some sort of 'saturation' in its potential audience? Sales will go down!
To explain it more clearly:
If my marketing has convinced 6 billion people that they want to see my film, then only those that cannot afford it, and a small number who rationalize that it is not worth the expense, will not watch it. This is my reach.
If I reach 10,000 people in my campaign and then conveniently ignore piracy, my reach will greatly increase. Despite the fact that not everyone in your reach will buy AND the fact that everyone in your reach who pirated it are not likely to buy it, the increased reach from the pirated film will be great enough that buyers will increase.
The buyers, in this case, are USUALLY not the pirates! The increased sales are actually from people talking about the product, seeing temporary, partial, or low quality versions of the product (due to their inexperience with piracy), and a number of other more minor factors.
Well, guess what? Pornography is definitely the second case here, as it cannot be legally advertised. This is GREATLY amplified when you consider the disposable nature of pornography. People will want more and they will buy it!
Meanwhile, big budget hollywood movies are close to being in the former category. Obviously, they still make use of filesharing for marketing but, if they permitted it throughout the lifetime of their product, eventually the marketing's reach will begin to cannibalize itself.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884962&cid=34387834
APK
P.S.=> "Nobody touches, my hurricane..." -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apOdWOK5Rh8&feature=related because that about describes your attempt @ attacking my points on the benefits of HOSTS files for end users for better speed, better security, & even better "anonymity" (vs. DNS request logs) too... & it says it FAR better than I ever could! "You try to catch me, but you.just.can't.catch.a.hurricane!" ... apk
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884962&cid=34387834 you talked a lot of talk, but when it came to disputing my points (that easily disproved yours)? YOU RAN!
APK
P.S.=> "Nobody touches, my hurricane..." -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apOdWOK5Rh8&feature=related because that about describes your attempt @ attacking my points on the benefits of HOSTS files for end users for better speed, better security, & even better "anonymity" (vs. DNS request logs) too... & it says it FAR better than I ever could! "You try to catch me, but you.just.can't.catch.a.hurricane!" ... apk