nevermind no one wants their streets constantly torn up to lay competing fiber even if there were multiple googles willing to try to compete as just a sideshow because they have a large cushion of billions in the bank
the problem you identify as the government is actually the corporations: they corrupt and bribe local and state officials
how is that the corporation corrupting your government is the fault of government? you want to remove the corruption and corruptors, not remove the regulations and the government. those are the only things protecting you
so you want to pass laws against that, and enforce them. i didn't say that was easy, but it's certainly a hell of a lot better than no government regulation and complete uncontrollable and unstoppable oligopolies that rip customers even more and abuse start up competitors even more, with no accountability or redress (since you removed the government regulation)
if you like capitalism, and i do, what you do is you have the government own the fiber, and maintain it. then various companies lease fractional portions of the cable and offer various services. that pays for the infrastructure. kind of like how we handle wireless spectrum: auction off portions of it. that's how you have fair competition
but that fair competition only works with a platform provided by the government
it's like dealing with a creationist or an antivaxxer
simple basic history and well-established economic facts just don't mean a damn thing to you deluded fucks. it's like the religious tenets of some low iq cult: just keep asserting a simpleminded wrong belief, contrary to all facts and history, and you can continue in your quasireligious moronic bullshit
1. predatory pricing is real
2.. predatory pricing happens constantly
3. only government regulations can catch it and punish it
these are all ironclad bedrock truths of the world you live in
predatory pricing is being used here to drain the upstart fiber service of customers
now cover your eyes and ears like a pridefully ignorant asshole, right?
that's a random dip into current news. predatory pricing examples everywhere. tomorrow there will be dozens of new examples
what did you say?
The term predatory pricing comes from the time when massive consolidation of railroads and oil was driving down prices. Smaller competitors sought reasons to stop it. The price increases never came, of course. Same as computers today.
you're a moron
not baseless insult. an objective description of the quality of your thought
what you wrote is hilariously solidly wrong. you blindly and blatantly deny basic facts of a subject matter you inject your puerile ignorance into
you're deluded uneducated wackjob and if you had any shame you would stop lying and making yourself look like a feeble crackpot to anyone who actually understands the simple basics of this subject matter
just shut the fuck up about what you clearly do not understand you dumb ignorant fuck
Predatory pricing (also undercutting) is a pricing strategy where a product or service is set at a very low price, intending to drive competitors out of the market, or create barriers to entry for potential new competitors. If competitors or potential competitors cannot sustain equal or lower prices without losing money, they go out of business or choose not to enter the business. The predatory merchant then has fewer competitors or is even a de facto monopoly.
In many countries predatory pricing is considered anti-competitive and is illegal under competition laws. It is usually difficult to prove that prices dropped because of deliberate predatory pricing rather than legitimate price competition. In any case, competitors may be driven out of the market before the case is ever heard.
many morons think markets don't need government regulation. that they "self-regulate"
predatory pricing must be an example of what they are talking about i suppose
so you meant "sort of towards the east but still far from the the warzone in eastern ukraine"
that's called basic communication skills
if i said "i went to fukushima," and i really meant "i kind of got around the outskirts of tokyo and saw a government vehicle on its way to the exclusion zone," i could be accused of lying and manipulating by creating a false impression, right?
understand the communication problem you made here you lying asshole?
did you want to leave the impression you were running around a warzone like an internet tough guy?
instead of the reality of just being a fat greasy kraut on holiday eating ice cream?
why the fuck did you say " i went to eatern ukraine, hurrr durrr"
that's the warzone
you lack basic communication skills. you switch your story. you don't understand the topic
i'm so glad you went to ukraine you fat fuck. i skyped with ethnic russians in dnipropetrovsk every day for months, on a dev team i managed a few years ago. good guys. rocket city
now do i get to claim some special knowledge completely at odds with basic fucking reality like you do?
hear, have a greasy sausage you shitbrain kraut and try to educate your ignorant assmouth before opening it next time. especially since the best historical precedent for what russia is doing in crimea is sudetenland, your country's glorious contribution to international thuggery
you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, fat dumb tourist
you're not in germany. you are a *retarded* russian troll. no german would say that sentence
unless, highly unlikely, you are a mercenary or, even worse, some sort of sadistic conflict tourist
in which case you are indeed a greater *retarded* loser than a russian propaganda victim, and are utterly devoid of merit or worth in registering any opinion
Your country's economy is going down the toilet while Russia makes enemies with close by regions that used to be friends, even part of the same country once. Over the long term, since the 1980s, it is nothing but a slow downhill that will only continue. And its all the creation of the lying blindness and ultranationalism on display in your comment. Your country is politically moronic: it holds all rule to the sole right of one ex KGB mafia thug, cult of personality bullshit like pathetic North Korea, instead of mature democracy. Your economy is about how to distribute oil money between corrupt oligarchs and stooges of Dear Leader, exactly as oil money dries up. It's not a diverse, mature economy. This is the real "benefit" of Putin's "good" leadership.
You can't rule when you don't have enough money to buy new tanks. China outnumbers you 1.4 billion to 140 million. China desires resources. China is also an imperial thug like Russia, enemies and border conflicts with all its neighbors, but unlike Russia, it has the healthy economy to back up its thugging. It will forget stealing tiny islands from the Philippines and Vietnam and barren mountains from India, and notice the weakness to the North and the vast Siberian riches, and notice that for most of history, it ruled north of the Amur. It doesn't even have to invade: those areas are largely and in some places mostly Chinese population already. Texas was ripped from Mexico by the USA by the same slow colonization.
That's your future this century Russia: more slow rot and decay, just like since the 1980s.
But enjoy your displays of thuggish desire for faded glory by picking on Ukraine and Georgia and making all your neighbors loathe you. Good job Russia.
The Ukrainians and the Russians are both slavs who lived under the same empire for centuries, fighting on the same side of many wars.
You throw insults about stupidity when you are the clear ignorant on this topic.
There has always been yearnings for Ukrainian nationalism and independence, but there has also always been love, affection and respect between the Ukrainian and Russian people. Even now. Both Russians and Ukrainians understand this recent split is driven by politics and economics. But the split is doing serious damage to the regard both peoples have for each other: this is real fruits of Putin's yearnings for past Russian glory by thugging on Ukraine and Georgia, birthplace of Stalin, for 1815 style imperialism in 2015: lasting hatred, fear, and disgust by Russia's near neighbors when before there was begrudging respect.
You are welcome for the remedial introduction to the basics of a topic you stick your loudmouth ignorance into. I suggest you educate yourself on a topic, then speak, next time.
russia is imploding. thugging on ukraine while its economy shrivels is not the definition of resurgent. it's called a distraction, appealing to ultranationalist douchebaggery while it makes grave enemies of neighbors and previous slavic brothers, who used to be part of the USSR with russia not that long ago. russia is on a long decline that started in the 1980s. this is just the latest evolution of that decay. by the end of this decade china will be taking back outer manchuria and NATO will be seizing kaliningrad to stop food riots while russia points deficient rusting ancient war machinery at much more powerful foes who laugh at it. you can't have a powerful modern nation without a serious economy, and putin turned russia into a kleptocratic petrostate to preserve his power, at the expense of any hope for a real russian future of a diverse economy and a mature democracy. russia is pathetic, weak, and finished
and iran has been chanting death to america since the 1980s!
If we attack Iran militarily, they will race and have nukes in a few months. The idea that we can prevent that with a military strike is naive or maliciously dishonest.
We were told toppling Saddam would lead to dancing in the streets of Baghdad and mature democracy and peace in Iraq. Hasn't exactly worked out that way. Now we have lies and foolishness about striking Iran. Iran could pursue nukes in the center of a number of mountain bunkers and we could not capture or find all off them in time before a bomb was created and *used* in Israel or Europe or the USA.
Yes, *used*.
If we invaded Iran, our threat to the regime would be existential. Nations build nukes precisely for deterrence against existential threats.
Therefore, by invading, we will hand Iran a perfectly legitimate reason for using a nuke, on a silver platter. If someone was toppling our government in Washington DC militarily, you can be certain nukes would be flying out of bunkers in North Dakota. You think the same standard for using nukes doesn't apply to Iran?
And all you need is an anonymous lead lined shipping container out of tens of thousands delivered to a port. No need for a stinking ICBM.
Are some of you braindead chickenhawks sobering up yet?
Do some of you morons think invading Iran will be a breeze? Fucking pathetic Afghanistan wasn't even a breeze. The blowback from Iraq and letting Saddam's entire Baathist military establishment walk away is still going on in the form of ISIS. You chickenhawk morons just don't fucking learn do you you pathetic assholes? How many trillions in national treasure and thousands of young vital lives do you want to waste now? While you complain about taxes and welfare recipients from the other side of your ignorant mouths? There are some seriously stupid assholes in this world isn't there, you chickenhawk assholes gung ho for war are exhibit A.
Iran is not Iraq, wide open flat desert, it is mountain fortresses. We played hide and seek in the mountains of Afghanistan for years with scruffy pushovers who continue to mount destabilizing attacks. The Revolutionary Guards of Iran are not pimply teenagers promised religious lies from Al Qaeda and Taliban stooges, they are a serious and professional fighting force, fighting on their land, for their country. Remember Vietnam you moronic chickenhawk douchebags? Is someone going to tell us our intelligence on Iranian nuclear sites is ironclad, we know all of them? Really, you're certain of that? You want to bet an Iranian nuclear strike on that conviction you arrogant smarmy pricks?
So we will pursue a deal. Not because it will work with certainty. But because all other options are clearly worse.
Diplomacy simply serves our national interest. A deal is better than no deal. Pragmatism. Shrewd intelligence. Not that you warmongering assholes know what those words mean. You don't have to trust the Iranians, you stupid fucks, no one trusts them. Verification is in the deal.
All the assholes with hard ons to invade Iran are genuinely ignorant or maliciously cavalier about the severe blow back we would experience. Fuck the irresponsible braindead chickenhawk assholes: the crappiest deal is still 1,000% better than the best case military scenario.
if a disease can spread because it can find enough vectors since not enough vaccinate, you are also giving the disease time and space to tinker, and perhaps evolve a new strain that existing vaccines don't protect against
so: yup. but that's less superrich killing and more superstupid killing us
but they still don't seriously threaten our society
exactly because we have vaccines, you fucking moron
and if not enough vaccinate, the diseases find vectors to proliferate again, AND they have a chance to get lucky and develop new strains that can get around our exisitng vaccines, threatening everyone period
everyone has to get vaccinated. if not, the person is ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous to all of our health. if you don't agree with that statement, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and/ or you are blindly selfishly irresponsible
you have no freedom to choose something that threatens other people's lives (nevermind your own)
i see it as the genius of biochemical warfare by plants
our livers have been in an evolutionary arms race with plants for hundreds of millions of years. they make a substance that kills, maims, disorients, or deters us. one up plants. our livers do their best to mop it up. one up animals. rinse repeat
perversely, we've developed a taste for some of those substances. like cayenne pepper or horseradish, as a paradoxically enjoyable taste. or heroin or cocaine, as a disorienting drug
in a way, the plant still wins when we get addicted to them, like these bees. drug use is just slow motion suicide. it might not kill us immediately, but it brings us back for more, and more and more, to finish the job
Slashdot Mirror
no one has the money to rebuild an entire redundant fiber rollout
you would need to sink billions to just begin to compete, with no guarantee of a profit (and less with predatory pricing shutting you down)
it's called a natural monopoly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...
the financial barrier to market entry is too high
nevermind no one wants their streets constantly torn up to lay competing fiber even if there were multiple googles willing to try to compete as just a sideshow because they have a large cushion of billions in the bank
the problem you identify as the government is actually the corporations: they corrupt and bribe local and state officials
how is that the corporation corrupting your government is the fault of government? you want to remove the corruption and corruptors, not remove the regulations and the government. those are the only things protecting you
this is the problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
so you want to pass laws against that, and enforce them. i didn't say that was easy, but it's certainly a hell of a lot better than no government regulation and complete uncontrollable and unstoppable oligopolies that rip customers even more and abuse start up competitors even more, with no accountability or redress (since you removed the government regulation)
if you like capitalism, and i do, what you do is you have the government own the fiber, and maintain it. then various companies lease fractional portions of the cable and offer various services. that pays for the infrastructure. kind of like how we handle wireless spectrum: auction off portions of it. that's how you have fair competition
but that fair competition only works with a platform provided by the government
it's like dealing with a creationist or an antivaxxer
simple basic history and well-established economic facts just don't mean a damn thing to you deluded fucks. it's like the religious tenets of some low iq cult: just keep asserting a simpleminded wrong belief, contrary to all facts and history, and you can continue in your quasireligious moronic bullshit
1. predatory pricing is real
2.. predatory pricing happens constantly
3. only government regulations can catch it and punish it
these are all ironclad bedrock truths of the world you live in
predatory pricing is being used here to drain the upstart fiber service of customers
now cover your eyes and ears like a pridefully ignorant asshole, right?
learn you dumb fuck:
http://www.google.com/#q=preda...
that's a random dip into current news. predatory pricing examples everywhere. tomorrow there will be dozens of new examples
what did you say?
you're a moron
not baseless insult. an objective description of the quality of your thought
what you wrote is hilariously solidly wrong. you blindly and blatantly deny basic facts of a subject matter you inject your puerile ignorance into
you're deluded uneducated wackjob and if you had any shame you would stop lying and making yourself look like a feeble crackpot to anyone who actually understands the simple basics of this subject matter
just shut the fuck up about what you clearly do not understand you dumb ignorant fuck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
many morons think markets don't need government regulation. that they "self-regulate"
predatory pricing must be an example of what they are talking about i suppose
...says fat low iq loser on the internats, so it must be true
i stopped reading there. my turn to face palm. you're a really dumb fuck you know that?
moronic thread over
you said "eastern ukraine"
eastern ukraine is the war zone, yes?
so you meant "sort of towards the east but still far from the the warzone in eastern ukraine"
that's called basic communication skills
if i said "i went to fukushima," and i really meant "i kind of got around the outskirts of tokyo and saw a government vehicle on its way to the exclusion zone," i could be accused of lying and manipulating by creating a false impression, right?
understand the communication problem you made here you lying asshole?
did you want to leave the impression you were running around a warzone like an internet tough guy?
instead of the reality of just being a fat greasy kraut on holiday eating ice cream?
that's central ukraine you dumb fuck
why the fuck did you say " i went to eatern ukraine, hurrr durrr"
that's the warzone
you lack basic communication skills. you switch your story. you don't understand the topic
i'm so glad you went to ukraine you fat fuck. i skyped with ethnic russians in dnipropetrovsk every day for months, on a dev team i managed a few years ago. good guys. rocket city
now do i get to claim some special knowledge completely at odds with basic fucking reality like you do?
hear, have a greasy sausage you shitbrain kraut and try to educate your ignorant assmouth before opening it next time. especially since the best historical precedent for what russia is doing in crimea is sudetenland, your country's glorious contribution to international thuggery
you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, fat dumb tourist
how do you tell the difference between a troll and someone who believes some of this ignorant shit?
we have a comment in this thread that wants to preemptively nuke iran, and it is modded up
so either slashdot is nothing but a pointless trollfest nowadays and everyone serious should leave, or i'm correcting the ignorant
either way, there are indeed a lot of fucking retards in this thread
you're not in germany. you are a *retarded* russian troll. no german would say that sentence
unless, highly unlikely, you are a mercenary or, even worse, some sort of sadistic conflict tourist
in which case you are indeed a greater *retarded* loser than a russian propaganda victim, and are utterly devoid of merit or worth in registering any opinion
go swallow a shotgun you lying demented fuck
LOL ;-)
and shall we proceed down the slope of retarded alterations to a throwaway analogy and miss the demonstration of the simple point?
the USA is stupid in many ways, but it's not THAT stupid, maybe you are.
Hello Russian propaganda retard.
Your country's economy is going down the toilet while Russia makes enemies with close by regions that used to be friends, even part of the same country once. Over the long term, since the 1980s, it is nothing but a slow downhill that will only continue. And its all the creation of the lying blindness and ultranationalism on display in your comment. Your country is politically moronic: it holds all rule to the sole right of one ex KGB mafia thug, cult of personality bullshit like pathetic North Korea, instead of mature democracy. Your economy is about how to distribute oil money between corrupt oligarchs and stooges of Dear Leader, exactly as oil money dries up. It's not a diverse, mature economy. This is the real "benefit" of Putin's "good" leadership.
You can't rule when you don't have enough money to buy new tanks. China outnumbers you 1.4 billion to 140 million. China desires resources. China is also an imperial thug like Russia, enemies and border conflicts with all its neighbors, but unlike Russia, it has the healthy economy to back up its thugging. It will forget stealing tiny islands from the Philippines and Vietnam and barren mountains from India, and notice the weakness to the North and the vast Siberian riches, and notice that for most of history, it ruled north of the Amur. It doesn't even have to invade: those areas are largely and in some places mostly Chinese population already. Texas was ripped from Mexico by the USA by the same slow colonization.
That's your future this century Russia: more slow rot and decay, just like since the 1980s.
But enjoy your displays of thuggish desire for faded glory by picking on Ukraine and Georgia and making all your neighbors loathe you. Good job Russia.
The Ukrainians and the Russians are both slavs who lived under the same empire for centuries, fighting on the same side of many wars.
You throw insults about stupidity when you are the clear ignorant on this topic.
There has always been yearnings for Ukrainian nationalism and independence, but there has also always been love, affection and respect between the Ukrainian and Russian people. Even now. Both Russians and Ukrainians understand this recent split is driven by politics and economics. But the split is doing serious damage to the regard both peoples have for each other: this is real fruits of Putin's yearnings for past Russian glory by thugging on Ukraine and Georgia, birthplace of Stalin, for 1815 style imperialism in 2015: lasting hatred, fear, and disgust by Russia's near neighbors when before there was begrudging respect.
You are welcome for the remedial introduction to the basics of a topic you stick your loudmouth ignorance into. I suggest you educate yourself on a topic, then speak, next time.
ukrainians and russians are not slavs?
ukrainians and russians were not fighting on the same side, under the same government, for centuries?
ok then, i must have negative iq
russia is imploding. thugging on ukraine while its economy shrivels is not the definition of resurgent. it's called a distraction, appealing to ultranationalist douchebaggery while it makes grave enemies of neighbors and previous slavic brothers, who used to be part of the USSR with russia not that long ago. russia is on a long decline that started in the 1980s. this is just the latest evolution of that decay. by the end of this decade china will be taking back outer manchuria and NATO will be seizing kaliningrad to stop food riots while russia points deficient rusting ancient war machinery at much more powerful foes who laugh at it. you can't have a powerful modern nation without a serious economy, and putin turned russia into a kleptocratic petrostate to preserve his power, at the expense of any hope for a real russian future of a diverse economy and a mature democracy. russia is pathetic, weak, and finished
and iran has been chanting death to america since the 1980s!
but it's all obama's fault
of course
if a crazy person wants to shoot you, and you make a deal with him to not shoot you as long as you feed him gun parts...
then when the time comes and he pulls out an assembled gun and fires at you... do you really think that gun is going to work?
i know you're joking, but there are people in the world who really believe that
sobering
If we attack Iran militarily, they will race and have nukes in a few months. The idea that we can prevent that with a military strike is naive or maliciously dishonest.
We were told toppling Saddam would lead to dancing in the streets of Baghdad and mature democracy and peace in Iraq. Hasn't exactly worked out that way. Now we have lies and foolishness about striking Iran. Iran could pursue nukes in the center of a number of mountain bunkers and we could not capture or find all off them in time before a bomb was created and *used* in Israel or Europe or the USA.
Yes, *used*.
If we invaded Iran, our threat to the regime would be existential. Nations build nukes precisely for deterrence against existential threats.
Therefore, by invading, we will hand Iran a perfectly legitimate reason for using a nuke, on a silver platter. If someone was toppling our government in Washington DC militarily, you can be certain nukes would be flying out of bunkers in North Dakota. You think the same standard for using nukes doesn't apply to Iran?
And all you need is an anonymous lead lined shipping container out of tens of thousands delivered to a port. No need for a stinking ICBM.
Are some of you braindead chickenhawks sobering up yet?
Do some of you morons think invading Iran will be a breeze? Fucking pathetic Afghanistan wasn't even a breeze. The blowback from Iraq and letting Saddam's entire Baathist military establishment walk away is still going on in the form of ISIS. You chickenhawk morons just don't fucking learn do you you pathetic assholes? How many trillions in national treasure and thousands of young vital lives do you want to waste now? While you complain about taxes and welfare recipients from the other side of your ignorant mouths? There are some seriously stupid assholes in this world isn't there, you chickenhawk assholes gung ho for war are exhibit A.
Iran is not Iraq, wide open flat desert, it is mountain fortresses. We played hide and seek in the mountains of Afghanistan for years with scruffy pushovers who continue to mount destabilizing attacks. The Revolutionary Guards of Iran are not pimply teenagers promised religious lies from Al Qaeda and Taliban stooges, they are a serious and professional fighting force, fighting on their land, for their country. Remember Vietnam you moronic chickenhawk douchebags? Is someone going to tell us our intelligence on Iranian nuclear sites is ironclad, we know all of them? Really, you're certain of that? You want to bet an Iranian nuclear strike on that conviction you arrogant smarmy pricks?
So we will pursue a deal. Not because it will work with certainty. But because all other options are clearly worse.
Diplomacy simply serves our national interest. A deal is better than no deal. Pragmatism. Shrewd intelligence. Not that you warmongering assholes know what those words mean. You don't have to trust the Iranians, you stupid fucks, no one trusts them. Verification is in the deal.
All the assholes with hard ons to invade Iran are genuinely ignorant or maliciously cavalier about the severe blow back we would experience. Fuck the irresponsible braindead chickenhawk assholes: the crappiest deal is still 1,000% better than the best case military scenario.
if everything is automated, there is no more poor or middle class
besides, a poor country like the philippines: everyone has a maid and a driver. even the maids have maids and drivers
having people work for you is not proof of being rich. it's a proof of overpopulation
if a disease can spread because it can find enough vectors since not enough vaccinate, you are also giving the disease time and space to tinker, and perhaps evolve a new strain that existing vaccines don't protect against
so: yup. but that's less superrich killing and more superstupid killing us
i always thought it would make a great conspiracy dystopian story where the superrich, with everything automated, don't need us anymore
so they simply kill us all off
the earth reduced to 700,000 souls from 7,000,000,000 in a matter of days (some sort of highly infectious agent?)
exactly because we have vaccines, you fucking moron
and if not enough vaccinate, the diseases find vectors to proliferate again, AND they have a chance to get lucky and develop new strains that can get around our exisitng vaccines, threatening everyone period
everyone has to get vaccinated. if not, the person is ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous to all of our health. if you don't agree with that statement, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and/ or you are blindly selfishly irresponsible
you have no freedom to choose something that threatens other people's lives (nevermind your own)
i see it as the genius of biochemical warfare by plants
our livers have been in an evolutionary arms race with plants for hundreds of millions of years. they make a substance that kills, maims, disorients, or deters us. one up plants. our livers do their best to mop it up. one up animals. rinse repeat
perversely, we've developed a taste for some of those substances. like cayenne pepper or horseradish, as a paradoxically enjoyable taste. or heroin or cocaine, as a disorienting drug
in a way, the plant still wins when we get addicted to them, like these bees. drug use is just slow motion suicide. it might not kill us immediately, but it brings us back for more, and more and more, to finish the job
science!
you can't explain it
I thought cosmic rays trigger lightning.