And it takes a really scientific mindest to accept that what you know may be completly wrong.
no, it's a character issue, not a knowledge issue
it's called humility
the dumbest moron in the world, who has an open mind and is willing to learn, is a better person than the scientific genius who is smugly certain in his knowledge and sneers off all challenges
ignorance isn't really the problem in this world
we're all ignorant, about something
the problem is *prideful* ignorance
the idea that "i know all i need to know and don't need to consider new evidence" is perhaps the greatest evil at work in the world
you and i have a house a job and a bank account. in our names. simple and plain
this guy has accounts in friend's names, accounts in countries with opaque banking practices, houses owned by trusts or shell corporations or family members, etc
to liquidate your assets or my assets would be easy, any forensic accountant could do it in 15 minutes. because we're financially transparent, honest and straightforward people. but some douchebag who tries very hard to squirrel away their assets can make it a full time job just tracking it all down
Also the thought comes to mind: At what point in time has the law failed you enough that, ethically speaking, you're well in your rights to just go bash the other guy's head in to at least get some satisfaction?
well, from the article:
After losing the case, Cohen fled across the border to Tijuana to avoid paying the settlement. Kremen responded by posting “wanted” signs all over the Mexican town with Cohen’s photo and information. McCarthy said Cohen claimed this resulted in bounty hunters showing up at his door and instigating a firefight with the Mexican police.
this sounds very close to "oops, poor guy got shot dead by accident"
so either Kremen has thought about the possibility of doing the guy in, or, at the very least, Kremen doesn't mind how his actions might endanger Cohen (i'm not saying he should)
lowlifes in seedy areas with sketchy financial assets and the need to avoid the law often wind up dead and robbed. hard to tell the difference between that happening and being accidental, or arranged
which is why it is good to be you and me with our boring plain finances. when your finances are squirrely, squirrely things can happen to you. but if someone messes with you and i, we can complain and get justice. the question of who is in the right and who is in the wrong isn't very grey
black and white absolutes don't exist in this world. but when it comes to your finances, it's best to be as close to black and white as possible. or you can get fucked with
the best target for con men and thieves, is other con men and thieves
because there's no honor in that world. pure dog eat dog
we're already fucking with it, with CO2. that's not just going away
so we need to do something to counteract that
i think this aerosol solution is horrible, prone to all sorts of unseen side effects
i'd like to see more of the "seeding dead parts of the ocean with iron" effort, but that may be just as full of unintended consequences
there are solutions that are more mechanical, less about fucking with the atmosphere or ocean irreversibly in the short term. something we can roll out and recall with ease and completely
the point is: there are many ideas. some indeed suck, like this one. but we should do SOMETHING to counteract our CO2. and someone needs to find that less risky idea. because the CO2 is not going away short term, and we keep pumping it out. that's a problem that isn't going away all by itself
you will never get anything from someone who resists all attempts at a constructive life
After losing the case, Cohen fled across the border to Tijuana to avoid paying the settlement. Kremen responded by posting “wanted” signs all over the Mexican town with Cohen’s photo and information. McCarthy said Cohen claimed this resulted in bounty hunters showing up at his door and instigating a firefight with the Mexican police.
Eventually Cohen was extradited from Mexico and sent back to the US, where he sat in jail for six months until a judge gave up on trying to make him pay up. To this day, Cohen has refused to pay a penny of the $64 million he owes Kremen, according to McCarthy. The only thing Kremen was able to wrest from Cohen in the end was one of his properties, which he paid people to destroy before Kremen took ownership of it. And the petty fight continues.
“Kremen pays a set of lawyers just to follow anything Cohen does,” McCarthy said. “So they’ve been playing this cat and mouse game for 10 years. He chases Cohen around the world trying to get the money off of him, and Cohen flees around the world refusing to pay him.”
Kremen needs to just walk away. yes, he deserves much from this douchebag Cohen
but it begins to define your life, your identity, and your legacy, if you stay attached to such a piece of shit, even just antagonistically
people who want their media to be free of bias rather tend to consider media, that shares their own bias as bias free.
that's restating the problem in terms of immaturity
"only media which conforms to my prejudices is 'bias free'" is a statement of ignorance
"everything has bias, some of it residual and unintentional, some of it purposeful and by design" is a statement of maturity and education
and then you choose the media where the bias is residual and unintentional. or even better, you choose many media sources, from different countries, even including those with bias, and see the truth through the spectrum of interpretations
you can't tell the difference between obvious propaganda and a news organization which tries hard to be impartial?
and yet it's superior to any alternative you might suggest, because any traditional top down organization is obviously far more biased and with an agenda
we're human beings. we're all biased. if you want your media to be free of bias, you will never read anything ever again
having said that, a nonprofit group of random individuals is about as bias free as you will ever get
there is a big difference between obviously biased and attempting to smear, and trying as hard as possible to being unbiased and a smattering of bias making it through nonetheless, simply because we are humans
in short, get your head out of your ass. you have no fucking clue how to make wikipedia better. i can't think of a formula to make it better. it is as good as we are going to get. that you can still find mess on it is simply a chance for you to reflect on the fact that a residual bias is always there, no matter how much you scrub, and you can never do better than that
there is the popular opinion of the genius standing alone, advancing the world as an island
of course, every single "genius" who ever existed, merely stood on the shoulder of others
for the british wwii cryptological effort (obviously not just turing), the polish effort was the foundation on which all the british exertions proved possible:
The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000, with a lower limit of confirmed dead of 21,768.[1] According to Soviet documents declassified in 1990, 21,857 Polish internees and prisoners were executed after 3 April 1940: 14,552 prisoners of war (most or all of them from the three camps) and 7,305 prisoners in western parts of the Byelorussian and Ukrainian SSRs.[26][b] Of them 4,421 were from Kozelsk, 3,820 from Starobelsk, 6,311 from Ostashkov, and 7,305 from Byelorussian and Ukrainian prisons.[26][b] Head of the NKVD POW department, Maj. General P. K. Soprunenko, organized "selections" of Polish officers to be massacred at Katyn and elsewhere.[27]
Those who died at Katyn included an admiral, two generals, 24 colonels, 79 lieutenant colonels, 258 majors, 654 captains, 17 naval captains, 3,420 non-commissioned officers, seven chaplains, three landowners, a prince, 43 officials, 85 privates, 131 refugees, 20 university professors, 300 physicians; several hundred lawyers, engineers, and teachers; and more than 100 writers and journalists as well as about 200 pilots.[22] In all, the NKVD executed almost half the Polish officer corps.[22] Altogether, during the massacre the NKVD executed 14 Polish generals:[28] Leon Billewicz (ret.), Bronisaw Bohatyrewicz (ret.), Xawery Czernicki (admiral), Stanisaw Haller (ret.), Aleksander Kowalewski (ret.), Henryk Minkiewicz (ret.), Kazimierz Orlik-ukoski, Konstanty Plisowski (ret.), Rudolf Prich (murdered in Lviv), Franciszek Sikorski (ret.), Leonard Skierski (ret.), Piotr Skuratowicz, Mieczysaw Smorawiski and Alojzy Wir-Konas (promoted posthumously). Not all of the executed were ethnic Poles, because the Second Polish Republic was a multiethnic state, and its officer corps included Belorussians, Ukrainians, and Jews.[29] It is estimated that about 8% of Katyn massacre victims were Polish Jews.[29] 395 prisoners were spared from the slaughter,[1] among them Stanisaw Swianiewicz and Józef Czapski.[22] They were taken to the Yukhnov camp and then to Gryazovets.[18]
Up to 99% of the remaining prisoners were subsequently murdered. People from the Kozelsk camp were executed in the Katyn forest; people from the Starobelsk camp were murdered in the inner NKVD prison of Kharkiv and the bodies were buried near the village of Piatykhatky; and police officers from the Ostashkov camp were murdered in the internal NKVD prison of Kalinin (Tver) and buried in Mednoye.[18]
Detailed information on the executions in the Kalinin NKVD prison was provided during a hearing by Dmitrii Tokarev, former head of the Board of the District NKVD in Kalinin. According to Tokarev, the shooting started in the evening and ended at dawn. The first transport, on 4 April 1940, carried 390 people, and the executioners had difficulty killing so many people in one night. The following transports held no more than 250 people. The executions were usually performed with German-made 9
The Darien Scheme was an unsuccessful attempt by the Kingdom of Scotland to become a world trading nation by establishing a colony called "Caledonia" on the Isthmus of Panama on the Gulf of Darién in the late 1690s. The aim was for the colony to have an overland route that connected the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. From the beginning the undertaking was beset by poor planning and provisioning, divided leadership, lack of demand for trade goods, devastating epidemics of disease, and failure to anticipate the Spanish Empire's military response. It was finally abandoned in March 1700 after a siege by Spanish forces, which also blockaded the harbour.[1]
As the Darien company was backed by 25–50% of all the money circulating in Scotland; its failure left the entire Lowlands almost completely ruined, and was an important factor in weakening their resistance to the Act of Union (completed in 1707). The land where the Darien colony was built is virtually uninhabited today.
history lesson:
some time in the next few centuries, there will be an interplanetary exploration/ colonization pyramid scheme that will bankrupt millions of people, maybe even a nation or two
i have no problem adhering to the spirit of the truth of the matter without a tedious hagiography of events exactly, that would put anyone to sleep
random example:
a character shot 2 times in reality, but 4 times on film
depending upon the event, this is either
1. the entire crux of the subject matter, across which all meaning depends, or
2. it is a minor detail without consequence
if you find an inaccuracy in a film, ask yourself this: does the inaccuracy change the entire meaning of the event? does it paint the important character in a completely inaccurate light?
if the answer to either is "yes" then yeah: fuck that film, it sucks
but:
if the film gets the major beats right, who gives a fuck about the rest
if someone tells you they have no agenda, you just met a douchebag with the biggest agenda pushing of all
but we are all capable of separating agenda seeking from a moderate understanding of truth
and as long as a movie can be watched and be seen to have merits in that regard that is apart from and greatly outweighs any agenda seeking in the movie, it has value
there is no such thing, and there never will be, a piece of media, whether film, book, slashdot comment, etc., that does not have an agenda
but as long as the author/ director is TRYING to be impartial, no matter that some residual bias sneaks through despite their best efforts, it is acceptable, even laudable
it is the media that blatantly tries to lie and push an agenda and openly and consciously twists or buries the truth that must be condemned. propaganda does exist and is a real problem in this world. and it is not excusable because some other media has a slight amount of bias in it even though the author/ director was obviously trying hard to be impartial
the real problem is this (and the heat in my comment here is not directed at you, but the mentality of the comment you are responding to):
i go to work, i have to maintain certain amounts of decorum and a certain kind of appearance and a rigidity in communication, correspondence, and attitude. because it's work. you need a certain level of conformation to get things running smoothly and get things done
And there's nothing wrong with that. That's 100% OK. I understand that need and I do conform when requisite, so as not to be a pointless distraction. Nothing wrong with that at all. Notice the formatting in this paragraph, I am eminently capable of the behavior.
but this is slashdot
this is not work
this is the unwinding after work and the blowing off of steam
so for some brittle minded douchebag to come in here and import work life expectations to an informal chat board?
to say "hi, i noticed you in a moldy t shirt and smelly boxer shorts, we expect you to wear office casual here please"
oh, you're in charge here? you have some sort of authority in a slashdot comment thread?
how about: no, fuck you
i'm relaxing
it does indeed make make me angry, the mentality behind this mediocre brittle expectation of conformation at all times
if you don't like my comment, if you don't like the formatting, that is 100% ok: don't fucking read it, you socially mediocre fuck
move on. good bye, good fucking riddance. enjoy your life, never read a comment of mine ever again, that's completely acceptable
don't tell me how to behave when nothing about the place you are in says a level of behavior is expected. you alone are importing an unnecessary, unneeded social contract. so fuck you and fuck of
sounds more like "my agenda wasn't served by this picture"
every single historical film ever made, and ever will be made, will be inaccurate. because you can't distill someone's life or a major event into 2 hours and retain accuracy. which doesn't mean anything
because to pay homage to someone we admire, and to make more people aware of the great things they did, far, far outweighs the griping someone might have about accuracy
don't get me wrong: there is such a thing as propaganda and lies. but as long as a film remains broadly accurate we can forgive a foible here and there
for example: there are also people griping about the films "american sniper," and "selma." i'm not going to say if chris kyle did or said ugly things that were conveniently ignored, and i'm not going to say if lyndon johnson's attitudes were incorrectly conveyed. because it doesn't matter to my point in this post. what i'm going to say (i have to be careful because you can set off all sorts of pointless tangential arguments based on misunderstanding) that my *personal* belief is: getting someone interested in the history far outweighs these foibles
the movies were obviously made with care and concern, and were not made as ugly propaganda attack pieces, which also exist, and are what is worthy of ridicule and condemnation. the intentions of the people making "american sniper", "selma", and "the imitation game" were good, honorary to their subject matter, historically faithful if not 100% accurate, and were obviously not made with the intention of ignorant attack pieces. so they are all worthy films anyone should see, to get more people interested in these important topics, as we all should be, to learn from them
and if someone is more interested in the actual history, they can pursue the actual historical facts in academic treatises, documentaries, biographies, etc. which will never, ever be boiled down into 2 hour pop movies
i will say this: the controversies about lbj in "selma", and chris kyle in "american sniper", are far more substantial than these weak contrived complaints about "the imitation game"
climate change is not some scheme al gore cooked up for political purposes
but... for the sake of argument, let's make believe you are right for a moment
let's ignore the research of thousands of scientists, decades of observations, and go with the low iq fantasy that al gore, sitting on his gold toilet, made climate change up, just to hurt big energy donors to republicans
ok. and?
this is your argument?
"i know a guy once who committed murder and got away with it... so this guy here should get away with murder"
that's how you think right and wrong works?
it's like those moronic headlines about how many jets al gore flies in, or how much fossil fuel was burned to fly big wigs to a climate change conference. so what!
if someone does something wrong, *that hardly makes another wrong ok*
point out the grossest, most hypocritical, limousine liberal shallowness on the topic, and guess what einstein: climate change suddenly doesn't go away as a problem. the damage to our atmosphere from fossil fuels doesn't magically disappear and become a nontopic, just because you found a liberal somewhere who drives a gas guzzling 4x4. do you understand?
to not understand this very simple moral concept: that two wrongs don't make a right, simply makes you, and all of the ignorant propaganda that depends on that foundation, look fucking stupid and morally immature
Maybe this time we'll get some constitutional amendments so we don't have a threepeat of plutocrat douchebags ruining the economy.
You really think the middle class can continue to be destroyed and the poor made poorer, all so a few ultrarich ENTITLED shits get even more... and no one will notice or care?
Oh I'm sorry, I mean "steal" the fruits of our own labors... hoarded by a well connected few.
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well said, i agree with everything, except
And it takes a really scientific mindest to accept that what you know may be completly wrong.
no, it's a character issue, not a knowledge issue
it's called humility
the dumbest moron in the world, who has an open mind and is willing to learn, is a better person than the scientific genius who is smugly certain in his knowledge and sneers off all challenges
ignorance isn't really the problem in this world
we're all ignorant, about something
the problem is *prideful* ignorance
the idea that "i know all i need to know and don't need to consider new evidence" is perhaps the greatest evil at work in the world
Cohen's a con man, he knows how to hide assets
you and i have a house a job and a bank account. in our names. simple and plain
this guy has accounts in friend's names, accounts in countries with opaque banking practices, houses owned by trusts or shell corporations or family members, etc
to liquidate your assets or my assets would be easy, any forensic accountant could do it in 15 minutes. because we're financially transparent, honest and straightforward people. but some douchebag who tries very hard to squirrel away their assets can make it a full time job just tracking it all down
well, from the article:
this sounds very close to "oops, poor guy got shot dead by accident"
so either Kremen has thought about the possibility of doing the guy in, or, at the very least, Kremen doesn't mind how his actions might endanger Cohen (i'm not saying he should)
lowlifes in seedy areas with sketchy financial assets and the need to avoid the law often wind up dead and robbed. hard to tell the difference between that happening and being accidental, or arranged
which is why it is good to be you and me with our boring plain finances. when your finances are squirrely, squirrely things can happen to you. but if someone messes with you and i, we can complain and get justice. the question of who is in the right and who is in the wrong isn't very grey
black and white absolutes don't exist in this world. but when it comes to your finances, it's best to be as close to black and white as possible. or you can get fucked with
the best target for con men and thieves, is other con men and thieves
because there's no honor in that world. pure dog eat dog
we're already fucking with it, with CO2. that's not just going away
so we need to do something to counteract that
i think this aerosol solution is horrible, prone to all sorts of unseen side effects
i'd like to see more of the "seeding dead parts of the ocean with iron" effort, but that may be just as full of unintended consequences
there are solutions that are more mechanical, less about fucking with the atmosphere or ocean irreversibly in the short term. something we can roll out and recall with ease and completely
the point is: there are many ideas. some indeed suck, like this one. but we should do SOMETHING to counteract our CO2. and someone needs to find that less risky idea. because the CO2 is not going away short term, and we keep pumping it out. that's a problem that isn't going away all by itself
the best thing to do is cut all your losses
you will never get anything from someone who resists all attempts at a constructive life
Kremen needs to just walk away. yes, he deserves much from this douchebag Cohen
but it begins to define your life, your identity, and your legacy, if you stay attached to such a piece of shit, even just antagonistically
cut your losses, move on
people who want their media to be free of bias rather tend to consider media, that shares their own bias as bias free.
that's restating the problem in terms of immaturity
"only media which conforms to my prejudices is 'bias free'" is a statement of ignorance
"everything has bias, some of it residual and unintentional, some of it purposeful and by design" is a statement of maturity and education
and then you choose the media where the bias is residual and unintentional. or even better, you choose many media sources, from different countries, even including those with bias, and see the truth through the spectrum of interpretations
you can't tell the difference between obvious propaganda and a news organization which tries hard to be impartial?
and yet it's superior to any alternative you might suggest, because any traditional top down organization is obviously far more biased and with an agenda
we're human beings. we're all biased. if you want your media to be free of bias, you will never read anything ever again
having said that, a nonprofit group of random individuals is about as bias free as you will ever get
there is a big difference between obviously biased and attempting to smear, and trying as hard as possible to being unbiased and a smattering of bias making it through nonetheless, simply because we are humans
in short, get your head out of your ass. you have no fucking clue how to make wikipedia better. i can't think of a formula to make it better. it is as good as we are going to get. that you can still find mess on it is simply a chance for you to reflect on the fact that a residual bias is always there, no matter how much you scrub, and you can never do better than that
and yet here you are, deep in a pointless thread, talking about me
maybe you can stop thinking about me as good as you are at scrolling over my posts?
thanks, shitbag
xoxoxox
what?
so please educate me
what is the amazing point i am missing
*crickets*
you can't help the uncurious
such a person was ignorant before the movie, and ignorant after the movie
so the effect is net zero
yes, the existence of ignorance is always toxic to society, but the movie didn't add to it
meanwhile, the movie does initiate the spark of curiously in a few, those who will actually exert effort to learn the real truths
enough few of them to make the movie an overall positive effect
yes, that is the general gist of every single fucking comment that has ever existed on every comment board in all of history
you are also welcome to comment, and add your own thoughts. imagine that!
do you have such a contribution?
or is your only interest mindless interpersonal melodrama?
exactly
there is the popular opinion of the genius standing alone, advancing the world as an island
of course, every single "genius" who ever existed, merely stood on the shoulder of others
for the british wwii cryptological effort (obviously not just turing), the polish effort was the foundation on which all the british exertions proved possible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
the efforts of
Marian Rejewski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
Jerzy Róycki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...
Henryk Zygalski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
and many other poles
the poles were horribly brutalized in wwii, by russians and germans
let us never forget:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...
pure evil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
history lesson:
some time in the next few centuries, there will be an interplanetary exploration/ colonization pyramid scheme that will bankrupt millions of people, maybe even a nation or two
thank you
i have no problem adhering to the spirit of the truth of the matter without a tedious hagiography of events exactly, that would put anyone to sleep
random example:
a character shot 2 times in reality, but 4 times on film
depending upon the event, this is either
1. the entire crux of the subject matter, across which all meaning depends, or
2. it is a minor detail without consequence
if you find an inaccuracy in a film, ask yourself this: does the inaccuracy change the entire meaning of the event? does it paint the important character in a completely inaccurate light?
if the answer to either is "yes" then yeah: fuck that film, it sucks
but:
if the film gets the major beats right, who gives a fuck about the rest
everyone has an agenda
if someone tells you they have no agenda, you just met a douchebag with the biggest agenda pushing of all
but we are all capable of separating agenda seeking from a moderate understanding of truth
and as long as a movie can be watched and be seen to have merits in that regard that is apart from and greatly outweighs any agenda seeking in the movie, it has value
there is no such thing, and there never will be, a piece of media, whether film, book, slashdot comment, etc., that does not have an agenda
but as long as the author/ director is TRYING to be impartial, no matter that some residual bias sneaks through despite their best efforts, it is acceptable, even laudable
it is the media that blatantly tries to lie and push an agenda and openly and consciously twists or buries the truth that must be condemned. propaganda does exist and is a real problem in this world. and it is not excusable because some other media has a slight amount of bias in it even though the author/ director was obviously trying hard to be impartial
the real problem is this (and the heat in my comment here is not directed at you, but the mentality of the comment you are responding to):
i go to work, i have to maintain certain amounts of decorum and a certain kind of appearance and a rigidity in communication, correspondence, and attitude. because it's work. you need a certain level of conformation to get things running smoothly and get things done
And there's nothing wrong with that. That's 100% OK. I understand that need and I do conform when requisite, so as not to be a pointless distraction. Nothing wrong with that at all. Notice the formatting in this paragraph, I am eminently capable of the behavior.
but this is slashdot
this is not work
this is the unwinding after work and the blowing off of steam
so for some brittle minded douchebag to come in here and import work life expectations to an informal chat board?
to say "hi, i noticed you in a moldy t shirt and smelly boxer shorts, we expect you to wear office casual here please"
oh, you're in charge here? you have some sort of authority in a slashdot comment thread?
how about: no, fuck you
i'm relaxing
it does indeed make make me angry, the mentality behind this mediocre brittle expectation of conformation at all times
if you don't like my comment, if you don't like the formatting, that is 100% ok: don't fucking read it, you socially mediocre fuck
move on. good bye, good fucking riddance. enjoy your life, never read a comment of mine ever again, that's completely acceptable
don't tell me how to behave when nothing about the place you are in says a level of behavior is expected. you alone are importing an unnecessary, unneeded social contract. so fuck you and fuck of
this is not a fucking term paper, you are not my professor
there is no magic contract between you and me that says i have to indulge your brittle needs
plenty of people read my comments just fine. if you can't, that's completely ok: you are welcome to never read a comment of mine ever again
i don't owe you anything, you have no authority over me. fuck off
if you don't like my writing style, don't read my comments
sounds more like "my agenda wasn't served by this picture"
every single historical film ever made, and ever will be made, will be inaccurate. because you can't distill someone's life or a major event into 2 hours and retain accuracy. which doesn't mean anything
because to pay homage to someone we admire, and to make more people aware of the great things they did, far, far outweighs the griping someone might have about accuracy
don't get me wrong: there is such a thing as propaganda and lies. but as long as a film remains broadly accurate we can forgive a foible here and there
for example: there are also people griping about the films "american sniper," and "selma." i'm not going to say if chris kyle did or said ugly things that were conveniently ignored, and i'm not going to say if lyndon johnson's attitudes were incorrectly conveyed. because it doesn't matter to my point in this post. what i'm going to say (i have to be careful because you can set off all sorts of pointless tangential arguments based on misunderstanding) that my *personal* belief is: getting someone interested in the history far outweighs these foibles
the movies were obviously made with care and concern, and were not made as ugly propaganda attack pieces, which also exist, and are what is worthy of ridicule and condemnation. the intentions of the people making "american sniper", "selma", and "the imitation game" were good, honorary to their subject matter, historically faithful if not 100% accurate, and were obviously not made with the intention of ignorant attack pieces. so they are all worthy films anyone should see, to get more people interested in these important topics, as we all should be, to learn from them
and if someone is more interested in the actual history, they can pursue the actual historical facts in academic treatises, documentaries, biographies, etc. which will never, ever be boiled down into 2 hour pop movies
i will say this: the controversies about lbj in "selma", and chris kyle in "american sniper", are far more substantial than these weak contrived complaints about "the imitation game"
Not just ANY liberal, THE liberal Al Gore who is CENTRAL to this whole scheme.
i stopped reading there
above in my comment i mock the stereotype of the low iq conservative who thinks al gore invented climate change
you respond by continuing with that low iq "thought"
making you exactly the problem i am talking about
genius:
if al gore never existed we would still have climate change
because we dump co2 in the atmosphere
which is the actual fucking problem. right? do you understand moron?
if al gore never existed, would pumping CO2 into the atmosphere make pink bubble gum and unicorns instead?
it requires evil libruls to turn too much CO2 in the atmosphere into a problem?
what exactly is the hilarious ignorant socially retarded thought process by which al gore is the problem, and not the CO2 we dump into the atmosphere?
do you have the slightest tiniest fucking clue how fucking stupid you sound?
climate change is not some scheme al gore cooked up for political purposes
but... for the sake of argument, let's make believe you are right for a moment
let's ignore the research of thousands of scientists, decades of observations, and go with the low iq fantasy that al gore, sitting on his gold toilet, made climate change up, just to hurt big energy donors to republicans
ok. and?
this is your argument?
"i know a guy once who committed murder and got away with it... so this guy here should get away with murder"
that's how you think right and wrong works?
it's like those moronic headlines about how many jets al gore flies in, or how much fossil fuel was burned to fly big wigs to a climate change conference. so what!
if someone does something wrong, *that hardly makes another wrong ok*
point out the grossest, most hypocritical, limousine liberal shallowness on the topic, and guess what einstein: climate change suddenly doesn't go away as a problem. the damage to our atmosphere from fossil fuels doesn't magically disappear and become a nontopic, just because you found a liberal somewhere who drives a gas guzzling 4x4. do you understand?
to not understand this very simple moral concept: that two wrongs don't make a right, simply makes you, and all of the ignorant propaganda that depends on that foundation, look fucking stupid and morally immature
here's your options when the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class shrivels up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
etc.
Is that what you want? Or is it you historically ignorant as to what inevitably happens?
We beat the plutocrats once:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
We'll do it again.
Maybe this time we'll get some constitutional amendments so we don't have a threepeat of plutocrat douchebags ruining the economy.
You really think the middle class can continue to be destroyed and the poor made poorer, all so a few ultrarich ENTITLED shits get even more... and no one will notice or care?
Oh I'm sorry, I mean "steal" the fruits of our own labors... hoarded by a well connected few.
Yeah, that's going to hold. Yup. Uh huh.
how do you talk with your mouth full of plutocrat cock?
who said you had to do so openly?
anonymity and mass action prevents and befuddles punitive retribution